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JUJ 
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Friday, July 28, 2017 03:59 PM PST  Reply: >

NS Goes
NS Goes: Could be another hit for property (after taxes) till dust settles. Any Comments?

Anticipation replied on Friday, July 28, 2017 05:31 PM PST 

Yes, there will be a small dip in prices in next year and then it may become stagnant based on fear of various policies by next govt.

HajiJaan replied on Friday, July 28, 2017 07:55 PM PST 

Let me know when and where, there is a dip... I will buy those properties

Well wisher replied on Friday, July 28, 2017 09:30 PM PST 

No dip is expected,only stagnant prices for 1 or 2 months then sharp rise is expected as tax criminals are gone...

Fasail replied on Saturday, July 29, 2017 11:17 AM PST 

Its a new ERA for pakistan.
Things are bound to get better. Justice is the key for which many Pakistanis are living abroad.
Once things improve we will come back.
I dont want property price to increase, although they will most definitely increase. I believe everyone should have the right to his own house/home.

What I pray is good future for my kids in Pakistan.

Habib replied on Saturday, July 29, 2017 01:14 PM PST 

A stable period of Pakistan history is gone. NS departure will have negative effect on economy. Stock Market have shown already, Real-estate will be stagnant though will not see sharp fall, New Investment, files and Owns will decrease.
Pak currency will see devaluation Development Projects will be slow or wind up, Load shedding will increase.
Pls write it somewhere if you disagree.
This is wrap up of forecast, though Ball Ki Khal Utarney waly and Media Stricken will find many other excuses to fool themselves.

This is Gift of negative Media campaign and talks of Ankers whose profession is Batoon ko C****na.To keep their Roti Going. To them all is Scandal, Ring road scandal, Raiwind Road scandal Nandi pur scandal, HBL scandal UBL scandal 1122 scandal CPEC scandal etc etc

Sage replied on Saturday, July 29, 2017 05:12 PM PST 

Disagree with Habib. Any spending on infrastructure at the expense of heavy loans is unacceptable. Not good for our future generations.

On top of that poorly and ill executed projects are a liability to maintain. Spending should be proportionate to needs not for the sake of political scoring. Remember metro bus was started by Shahbaz Sharif as a consequence of IK's Lahore jalsa. Extremely unfortunate!

sajjal replied on Saturday, July 29, 2017 06:49 PM PST 

Habib sahib there is some fault in your negative thinking. Dakoo gang has been caught red handed how is that bad for the country.

Asif replied on Saturday, July 29, 2017 08:17 PM PST 

Salaam hai us soch per jis main aik bandy k jany se load shedding increase ho jaye gi,
salaam hai bhai es soch per jis k hisab se aik bandy k jany se projects ki development windup ho jaye gi...
aik hi kabil banda tha bas puri jamaat main.
agr load shedding increase hoti hai to logo ko khud se sawal krna chaiye k aap ko kia message deny ki koshish ki ja rahi hai...

indeed stock market and real estate will come down, but it is correction jo kisi bhi market ki health k liye zarurui hoti hai..

Habib replied on Saturday, July 29, 2017 10:25 PM PST 

Dear Asif,
The Reasons are following
This is first Time in 70 ys History Pakistan was 5th Developing Nation in World.
This is first Time in 70 ys History Pakistan was 1st Developing Nation in Islamic World.
This is first Time in 70 ys History Pakistan that interest rate was lowest Looks at National savings interest rate.
This is first Time in 70 ys History Pakistan that foreign currency reserve is record high.
This is first Time in 50 ys History Pakistan that Pak currency did not devalue in 5 years.
This is first Time in 70 ys History Pakistan stock exchange was named in top 3 emerging markets in world and Crossed 50000 Mark.
Batain Karna Bohat asaan Hai aur ye Kar Ke Dekhana Mushkil
Captain foul played with nation.

usman0000 replied on Sunday, July 30, 2017 08:31 AM PST 

Dear Habib,

please give references for your statements.

1. turkey and malaysia are rapid developing nations in the muslim world.
2. interest rate in europe and US is less than 1%
3. 1 USD was 100 pkr in 2013, now its 107

Habib replied on Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:21 AM PST 

July 29, 2017 01:25 PM post is not by me But for Usman these references
https://walizahid.com/2015/05/pakistan-is-the-worlds-fastest-growing-muslim-economy-the-econo
Interest Rate in Zardari period and Musharraf Period was also 0 and 1% in US But in Pakistan was 12 to 16 percent
US Dollar touched 108 in Zardari Period he carried from 70 to 100
07-Aug-13 US$
04-Sep-13 US$
24-Sep-13 US$
13-Nov-13 US$
09-Dec-13 US$
8 Sept 2013 Zardari went
and then was brought to 100
Now we will see where Peshawar Stock exchange will go, Guess it will open betway branch in each street.
IK's in Public confession regarding gambling for "Pakistan" is enough to disqualify him.

Asif replied on Sunday, July 30, 2017 08:10 PM PST 

Instead of throwing numbers in air let me tell you one thing, language in which we all can understand i.E. property,
you know in 2013 how much value they declare of their raiwind palace of 2500 kanal, sirf 40 lakh Pak rupee.... :-)
shakhsiyat parasti nhi honi chaiye koi bhi jamaat ho..... let other members of party takeover the work, let the democracy come gradually in the country...

Laiq replied on Monday, July 31, 2017 12:07 AM PST 

Habib sb one more thing you should have added.

This is the first time in 70 years History of Pakistan that our debt is record high...i.e some $78B i guess.

Countries prosper on economy and you fools don't realise. And to have good economy, you must have exports and ourexports have been falling yoy and imports increasing yoy.

For Godsake come out of the denials and think out of the box.

Shaksiyyat parasti nahin honi chahiye..

Laiq replied on Monday, July 31, 2017 12:11 AM PST 

And for the firat time in the 70 years History of Pakistan K hamain apne state institutions ko girvi rakhwana para because noone was willing to borrow us money... Kya yeh zalalat kam hai... Look at the interest rate at what Pakistan govt took loans?

ahmed khan replied on Monday, July 31, 2017 10:37 AM PST 

Dear Brothers ,stocks are on an uphill, inshAllah mark my words property market will rise, you must be having friends in Karachi ask them right now, the property market has taken a 2% jump in a day what else.Be patient ground realities will themselves reflect the true picture.

Jaleeb replied on Tuesday, August 1, 2017 12:24 AM PST 

Habib has probably got his facts from the plate of biryani or qeemay wala naan. Oye begairto tmhari baton say lagta hae jaisay Nawaz sharif jannat ka PM tha. Sharam karo khota khor awam

Habib replied on Tuesday, August 1, 2017 03:31 PM PST 

Jaleeb Ko Jalab Lag gaye hain aur this is Fault of Nawaz Sharif
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Sadaat 
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Thursday, May 25, 2017 09:48 PM PST  Reply: >

Prism Fraud (DHA Phase 9)
Remember last year, I warned everyone that Prism is a big scam and all the prices hype was created by property Gurus. Look now the whole society is of DHA 9 / Prism is ON SALE with no buyers. Clearly shows that investors are pulling out now and moving towards the societies at Riawind Road Societies.

Bahria recently compensate in the form of F block and Orchard 4 balloting done. You will see a sharp increase in price of societies now towards that side town.

A stupid person can relize that DHA charm is ending now as no electricity, no Gas and now more traffic. While Lake city, Bahria provide all those facilities and better living area.

Allah knows better!!!!

Sam Dar® replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:13 PM PST 

This is what happens when you are on sasti charas...bro if you have your investments in Bahria or Lake..atleast do not defame other societies which you could not buy on right time. Stay calm and invest in DHA 10 coz you missed Prism. Cheers and Happy Ramadan!

Awais1® replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:13 PM PST 

With due respect you seriously need to see a psychiatrist.

Awais1® replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:15 PM PST 

@ Sam Dar. Lmfao !

Awais1® replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:21 PM PST 

To say that short term selling pressure with the fear of market slow down is wise, but to say that the entire thing is a scam & bogus is like living in a fool's paradise.

Abdullah replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:24 PM PST 

@Sam Dar®

Excellent answer. I love it.:-)))
@Sasti Charas

Akbar replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:09 PM PST 

But there is something serious going to happen may be in coming budget.

Ashfaq® replied on Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:46 PM PST 

Sorry, do not agree.

Surfer® replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 12:16 AM PST 

Sadaat sb.
"What a post" my suggesstion for you like other people like you without registration. Kindly registered first & than post your vague posts like above.
Once again only for you
"PRISM IS FUTURE OF DHA"
"PRISM IS A INVESTMENT GRADE"
"PRISM IS A FULL PACKAGE"
"PRISM IS A CITY WITHIN A CITY"
"NO COMPARASION OF PRISM WITH ANY OTHER SOCIETY"
"PRISM IS A HIGHLY BENEFICIAL SOCIETY FROM RING ROAD & ANY OTHER SOCIETIES YOU NAME IT"
"PRISM IS A HIGHLY BENEFICIAL SOCIETY FROM FEROZEPUR ONE END & BADIAN ROAD FROM OTHER END"
"PRISM IS AT THE MOMENT MOST EASILY REACHABLE SOCIETY FROM CITY CENTER".
Its still not late to catch this train. Wise people are still holding Investment in prism. Their is not a single plot for sale in A block at the moment in Prism.
"In shaa ALLAH" near Eid you will see a huge buying activity in Prism. Even till today 80% above transaction are done in DHA LAHORE of Prism. Biayna parties are searching for new locations to make new deals near Eid in PRISM.
YES YOU ARE RIGHT IN ONE STATEMENT
"ALLAH KNOWS BETTER"
"RAMADAN MUBARIK"

Uber replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 12:46 AM PST 

Sadaat sb, take it easy! Prism is anything but fraud. DHA is the safest investment ever.

On the flipside, @Surfer, khuda ka waasta hai bhai, bass ker day Prism prism kerna. We all love Prism but you almost get emotional at the name of Prism! If Sadaat is one extreme, you are almost the other!

Oh and finally, stop preaching to people about registered ID. It is a personal choice.

Well wisher replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 12:47 AM PST 

Dear Saadat, Prism is very big state of the art phase of DHA,its having around 20,000 plots for mostly 1 kanal,10 marla & 5 marla category, it doesn't matter if 1000 or 1500 plots are for sale at the moment due to profit taking of short term investors and slow market due to announcement of budget and Ramadan......But after few months these prices were not likely to be seen again as alot is coming to prism i.e direct link to phase 5 via underpass,Lrr southern loop,fast pace on ground development going on at good pace..overall this phase is outstanding for future investment and lake city,baharia etc are not even close to it in future..
Still prism is excellent investment for future, If anyone could grab any plot now
Allah is great

God knows better replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 01:01 AM PST 

In my opinion the majority of plot holders in dha are overseas pakistani who have parked their money/savings in them and these overseas pakistanis are not bound to submit tax return alongwith wealth tax; it is a rumour that in the forthcoming budget it would be made mandatory for them to submit tax return and wealth tax and in this way govt would be able to increase the number of tax returns and also to get the differential of tax and/or the tax penalty if there would be no legal evidence of remittance like prc. Due to this fear there may be a slight selling pressure but this is a temporary phase and people would come out of this fear and submit tax returns as their money is legal or may make it legal by taking amnesty if they had not cared about getting the lagal evidence. I think it is a temporary and short phase which is not going to harm any dha investment. Thanks

Junaid replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 01:58 AM PST 

Well said Uber

Shahid1 replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 03:20 AM PST 

Half of the trade deficit is financed by foreign remittences which are already under pressure as people are coming back from Gulf countries.
Overseas are considered easy prey and doing this will cause a significant decrease in foreign remittances. More remittances decrease, more rupee be devalued. Exports are already falling, thanks to corruption culture.

Days For DHA Prism Gone! replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 04:01 AM PST 

So much reaction against this post shows clearly how many oversease Pakistanis and property dealers are involved in Prism! I view of a person (which certainly I agree with Saadat) showed a clear wave of anger among property dealers because they have clearly created a FAKE HYPE for the Prism thats why they were not able to tolerate anything against Prism. Especially for OBSERVER, Prisom is like a piece of HEAVEN at this PLANET EARTH. Prism is better than Manhattan :) LOL

Prism Game Is Over???? replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 04:03 AM PST 

Not sure who is right / wrong here; but if this post is removed from this forum within few hours or days its mean clearly that Prism charm is over and investor now pulling their hands / legs / head out of Prism!

Asad Mian replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 04:30 AM PST 

@Surfer; "In shaa ALLAH" near Eid you will see a huge buying activity in Prism. Yes you are right. A huge activity near Eid because those overseas usually come to Pak near Eid and they would be getting rid of their plots in Prism and price would drop drastically near Eid. So this way I am 100% agree with Surfer for huge activity near Eid.

Surprised to see lots of reactions which tells clearly something fishy is going on or going to happen soon in Prism! DHA phase 6, 7, 8 have lots of empty land and not to mention that Prism is going to hand over not less than 5 years from now. Who know what the market would be in 5 years as these days hard to predict 5 days trend.

SO I guess this is all done by well established Property Mafia and Prism is already losing its charm! Not to mention that few air is already gone from balloon!

pakistan replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 08:19 AM PST 

a WORTHLESS post and a WORTHLESS discussion.

sardar replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 08:37 AM PST 

its a news to me that dha prism is a SCAM.haa haa haa....and look how people got serious over this.haa haa haa.feel pity.o logo,,,,,prism is a biger phase of dha ever and is now turning into realitities....shaping up speedily as per its master plan.joke of the century......!

Zaidi replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 09:00 AM PST 

Very interesting situation. If you see the list of commercial plot for sale in prism and see their prices the question arises how many buyers are there in the market for these commercial plots. Liquidity of such property is big issue now days. If you sum up the total amount what a big value it is. Unfortunately this amount is lying idle . Othereise if govt may be able to giive insentive to such investors and this huge amount is revolved in economy it can be used for the progress of country.

KSA Paki replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 09:55 AM PST 

Yes Prism is taking shape as the whole society would not go to sky in case of crash. Prices are certainly going down rapidly thatch why panic; actually juice has been taken out and overseas who are arriving in Lahore now looking for fresh places to invest where there is juice for them.

I believe that for them now focus is towards Riawind road especially LRR is close to its completion. One can disagree but I myself sold my Prism plot this month with descent profit (although less 10 lakhs loss from its peak) and now focusing Lake City, Orchard or main Bahria.

Prism game is over now~~~

Real Estate is best replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 10:30 AM PST 

LOL Lake shitty Mafia Active again against Prism, Not surprising anymore LOL

Panic replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 10:47 AM PST 

PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!!!!

Analyst replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 11:03 AM PST 

Let's be logical and let's discuss with facts. Do you know how many commercial plots were traded in PRISM from the launch? Almost close to none (very hard to fetch one). People have bought these plots as files in 2015 for almost 3 times lower to today's price. They have made their dream profits already and they are not stupid unlike many of us to sit for another 2-3 years to make it double from here. Yes 25% of commercial investors will exit now because they have made tremendous gains and now the same amount can be invested in other projects to triple it. However, 25% of investor will hold for a year to make their investment double as well because they entered in 2016. 50% of investors will not exit and will wait tell end to either build plaza or sell at maximum.
So note the below analysis and if you have common sense then take appropriate actions
2015 - 8 Marla commercial file 275-345 lacs before ballot and very close to ballot
2015 - 4 Marla commercial file 150-180 lacs before ballot and very close to ballot
2016 - 8 Marla commercial plot lacs (for many 100% gain in a year)
2016 - 4 Marla commercial plot lacs (for many 100% gain in a year)
2017 - 8 Marla commercial plot lacs (150- 200 % from 2015 price)
2017 - 4 Marla commercial plot lacs (almost 150-200% gain for many holders from 2015 price)
Now in 2018, 2019 the increase from the baseline price (file price) will be 40-50% increase every year ( expect 8 Marla best location to touch 11 crore and 4 Marla 6.5 crore in 2018 and expect 8 Marla best location to touch 12.5 to 13 crore and 4 Marla 7 to 7.5 crore in 2019
So yes the increment will drop in 2018 and 2019 but there will be always a gain but the best gain was in the period

FRH replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 11:19 AM PST 

Without any real analysis, baseless comments. Out of thousands of plots, 5-20 plots in each block on sale which is very much normal and people are saying selling pressure, entire Prism on sale, downfall started, etc.
Real situation is that very hard to find good location residential and commercial plot in Prism with confirmed deal.
The real gain is still to come for Prism.

sardar replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 11:41 AM PST 

EAST OR WEST........PRISM IS THE BEST.

prism replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 12:03 PM PST 

yes prism, prism ,prism ,prism ,prism ,
these are all touts of behria n lake city.......kia karain bachaaray enon ne bhi roti rozee kamaani hay............lagay raho muna bhai.

Mir replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 04:28 PM PST 

I wonder how long will it take DHA to fully develop its biggest phase, so that the plots can sustain their value ? I have noticed that the hype around Prism has always been artificial, since excess supply of plots (given that it is the biggest phase), means more transactions for the dealers to make their commission, and yes it has been profitable for ordinary people thus far, since the dealers have been able to sustain the myth that is Prism. But for how long ? Pakistanis are usually very gullible and everyone gets emotional if the reality is presented before them about the fact that Prism right now is a mirage, which would not be habitable for another ten years atleast. Everyone knows it, including the dealers, yet people are unable to face reality.

Real Estate is best replied on Friday, May 26, 2017 05:58 PM PST 

hahhahahhhahahhahahaahah
Prism is the most talked about phase ever. Most sought after. but people dying to prove it worthless. If Prism is worthless why all the people wasting their time discussing PRISM.
#Walay lok

Investor DT replied on Monday, May 29, 2017 04:26 PM PST 

Bhai Prism is not fraud but agreed it has increased in value a lot over the past few years. But the same is the case with many other property areas in Lahore and Pakistan. In my opinion and experience you get rewarded if you are clear on why you are buying something and what it price is relative to its fair future price. For example, if you buy kanal in top blocks today in Prism then it might look expensive at say around 130-140 bracket where there is a lot more development is left before possession, when on the other hand phase 8 has possession and you could buy kanal from 170+ range. Firstly compare apples with apples. Location wise Prism 130-140 ploy is top end and should be compared with phase 8 top location which is 250+ for confirmed location. Secondly future value of phase 8 is around 400 lacs (just like phase 5 is today peak and matured at 325-350 for top location). Phase 9 will peak around 500 in due course. Do. Onparing 500 with 130-140 today it is at third of its peak so that is comparable with development status.

Societies like lake city and Bahria no doubt have better living standards. And currently lake city no doubt is most undervalue given its location, development standard etc. It's just that people often have herd mentality and won't buy when the property itself look attractive but simply will buy when there is herd following the crowd. Longer term only those remain successful which buy with a long term horizon and don't follow herd blindly.

Investor Prism and Lake C replied on Monday, May 29, 2017 04:26 PM PST 

Bhai Prism is not fraud but agreed it has increased in value a lot over the past few years. But the same is the case with many other property areas in Lahore and Pakistan. In my opinion and experience you get rewarded if you are clear on why you are buying something and what it price is relative to its fair future price. For example, if you buy kanal in top blocks today in Prism then it might look expensive at say around 130-140 bracket where there is a lot more development is left before possession, when on the other hand phase 8 has possession and you could buy kanal from 170+ range. Firstly compare apples with apples. Location wise Prism 130-140 ploy is top end and should be compared with phase 8 top location which is 250+ for confirmed location. Secondly future value of phase 8 is around 400 lacs (just like phase 5 is today peak and matured at 325-350 for top location). Phase 9 will peak around 500 in due course. Do. Onparing 500 with 130-140 today it is at third of its peak so that is comparable with development status.

Societies like lake city and Bahria no doubt have better living standards. And currently lake city no doubt is most undervalue given its location, development standard etc. It's just that people often have herd mentality and won't buy when the property itself look attractive but simply will buy when there is herd following the crowd. Longer term only those remain successful which buy with a long term horizon and don't follow herd blindly.

JUJ replied on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 05:34 PM PST 

Good one @Sasti Charas
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