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Sunday, December 8, 2013 07:56 PM PST 
DHA Phase 9 Balloting

DHA Phase 9

From a very reliable source , information regarding Balloting i have received . It will be in Feburary not in January .

I donot know what is really going on . Why DHA is not conforming the time.


I have no intention to panic and misguide any person.

Khan sb replied on Sunday, December 8, 2013 09:51 PM PST 

DHA ko announce karna chahiya ab. 20 jan14 was the plan till 1 Dec. Now I don't know if there is any short delay.

Jamal replied on Monday, December 9, 2013 01:49 AM PST 

One of my overseas relatives owns a DHA-9 file. A couple of days ago he went to change his address in DHA records and asked about the balloting. The staff told him may be after six months.

Don't know if they meant it or just reply to everybody who asks.

FP replied on Monday, December 9, 2013 01:52 AM PST 

My guess, not before June 2014.

bechara replied on Monday, December 9, 2013 02:27 AM PST 

So should we sell Our files then.The week.starting from tomorrow will be very important in this regard

FP replied on Monday, December 9, 2013 02:40 AM PST 

I would advise you to keep them if u don't need money immediately.

j replied on Monday, December 9, 2013 03:36 PM PST 

balloting not expected within 2014

Sincere Advisor replied on Monday, December 9, 2013 06:41 PM PST 

Those who knows finance knows value of time and money.

In such high inflation where rupee is devaluing i think its not wise to loose asset unless or until you need money (rupee)dearly.

My suggestion is either invest in a place where you think your money will grow or stick to the same investment you already did.

balloting / no balloting should not be issue. Those who invested in it must know its a 20 years project there will be ups like the one you saw there will be drop down as well, so if you can not sustain the see saw (fluctuation) move on and invest in other commodities else have patience.

MHS replied on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 01:53 PM PST 

Agreed with sincere advisor !! just see the big picture and dont get panic over small fluctations !! hold your any property for as long as u can ...REST leave ON ALLAH ALMIGHTY !!
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Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:07 AM PST 
It's Official: DHA 9 Ballot expected before June 30, 2013

Hello All,

This is not a rumour , I have an authentic email from DHA office saying that phase 9 ballot would be done any time 'in the firt six month of this year' so it works out to be the 30 Jun 2013 the latest date for ballot.

I am pasting their original email below, hope it helps every stakeholder of DHA pahse 9:



From: Support [mailto:]
Sent: 05 April 2013 07:34
To: *****@*****.co.uk
Subject: [#366552] DHA Phase 9 & 10



A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #366552 with the following response:

Sir, Management has not given any exact time line for Phase 9 ballot. It is expected in first six months of this year. After ballot we will send Intimation letter regarding plot details and development charges schedule to all the owners.
Thank you!

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, please do not send another email. Instead, reply to this email or login to your account for a complete archive of all your support requests and responses.

junaid replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:50 AM PST 

hamid similar kind of response was received to me also now it is quite obvious that ballot will take place in next two months i am interested to know that what would be the cutoff price offered by dha for 1k plot by the dha can it be 65k to 70k incl all dev charges and affiliated dues in such case the current price of 1k file has potential of raising to further go up to 45k or may be 50k keeping in view dev charges of around 15k comments are open to all thanks

bilal ch replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 01:05 AM PST 

yes i agree the price would not be less then 70k

J replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 02:25 AM PST 

What does it mean by CUT OFF price by DHA? Why wud DHA fix the price when u already have file ownership? Shouldnt you just pay development charges n get plot ownership?

Khan replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 02:42 AM PST 

The cut off price is only for the new plots on installment basis which will be allocated by DHA after ballot.

Faisal Rana replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 02:50 AM PST 

dear,what will be the development charges for 1k plot.as it was informed that development charges will be from 7 to 9 lacks.can someone comment?

Khan replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 03:11 AM PST 

Development charges would not be less than RS. 15 laces but Allah knows the best.

jk replied on Saturday, April 6, 2013 04:16 AM PST 

I believe the DHA-9 1k development chargers will maximum be 15 lac.
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Monday, February 25, 2013 06:08 PM PST 
Bahria Town

The Govt. of Punjab should solve the problem between LDA and bahria immediately. Coz lot of people have already invested Bahria D,E and F. Lda did not tell anything before to stop the investment but now suddenly announced the illegality of these sectors after people have invested a lot of money in it.By this way Malik Riaz ll not suffer a lot but the common people ll b collapsed.So it is the duty of the Govt to look after this matter ASAP.

gauhar replied on Monday, February 25, 2013 06:24 PM PST 

this is bloody game.sharif brothers blackmailing malik riaz for big amount(for coming election) seeing bilawal house.

mazhar replied on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:09 PM PST 

only reason is man behind this town mr.riaz malik
the war between mr.shareef family and malik riaz
but the infrastructure development is excellent,i only know this

J replied on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 07:56 PM PST 

so it is sharif's fault? why dont you think why you didnt verify before investing the money? now we are falling again for the VICTIM vs looking if something wrong was done right from the start (jumping on money making opportunity vs verifying first)

Siddique replied on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:35 PM PST 

@J, why govt. charge tax?

gauhar replied on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 01:35 PM PST 

all matters will resolve soon (after payment of their required money).

Siddique replied on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 05:17 PM PST 

Why not LDA give approval to Bahria? They have all development work incl. Schools and Hospital, which are no where to be seen in already approved schemes, which shall be challenged.
In addition, there are many more unapproved schemes.

Rehana replied on Thursday, February 28, 2013 04:18 PM PST 

Mr.Zaheer & Mr. Gauhar ,is this correct news, do you have any updates what will be happned in future who invested in Sector D - 5 Marla
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Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:22 AM PST 
DHA Lahore Phase 9 Ballot

Good news.

Not 100% done deal but its very likely DHA Lahore phase 9 thousands of one kanal files will be called a plot after a major ballot in next 180 days. Highly likely this major ballot is in less than 90 days from today is what my friends in GHQ whispered :)

Map is also nearly finished my sources in DHA Lahore office told me. So ballot will have map too with it.



Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.COM

Ny replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:41 AM PST 

Waoooo that's good news

Ishfaq replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM PST 

Dear Friends, Do you advise to Invest in DHA Phase 9 as short term investment (1 Year)? how much return is anticipated?

jk replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:26 PM PST 

CMY Bhai ..

Thank you very much for sharing this information and I am fully convinced it is 100% correct. All statistics also support it.

Waseem replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:32 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

Any news about phase 7 possession?

J replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 01:07 PM PST 

Finally some great (though unconfirmed) news after a long time. thank you CMY

Ny replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 01:52 PM PST 

With the news of balloting this file can cross 40figure with no problem.from tomorrow it will be very hard to make a deal for phase 9 file.good luck to every body

Ahsan - KSA replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 03:26 PM PST 

@Ny

Agree; there is now huge price upside; extremely difficult to find file now

Kmc replied on Thursday, November 29, 2012 06:46 PM PST 

Now phase ix file will rule till ballot. My guess is 40 near by ballot and Dha will sale it on a prce tag of 60 incldng 15 lac as developemnt charges. Buyers who got it under 20 will get a profit of 25 on average.

Akhter replied on Friday, November 30, 2012 12:55 AM PST 

Dear LRE Team, is it CMY of Lahore Real Estate or some speculator pretending him? Thanks for confirmation.

SIM replied on Friday, November 30, 2012 12:55 AM PST 

The chance of getting a good plot in ballot is slim for those who own only a single file. the best time to buy will be just after ballot. paying a few thousand Bucks extra will get U a good plot. Rest You can decide yourself. I will buy after Ballot.Thanks

Khan replied on Friday, November 30, 2012 01:33 AM PST 

@ Akhter, CMY belongs to LRE.
@ SIM, you have to spend at least 15 lakh more to get good location plot after ballot. This is my view which can be wrong.

SIM replied on Friday, November 30, 2012 02:01 AM PST 

Brother Khan,
with the availability of thousands of new plots after ballot, there is always a chance of initial dip, which one can take advantage of.
Anyways, its better to be safe than sorry.

jamz replied on Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:32 PM PST 

not a gud guess :(
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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 01:50 PM PST 

Dear Fellows,

Need sincere advise, I have very good job in Saudi (suker alhamdolilah) plus also have Canadian Permanent Residency.

In order to maintain PR status for Canada I need to quit my current KSA job as I have to stay a minimum of two years out five in order to keep PR status, I have been to Canada on multiple attempts and this time i live for more than three months but didn't had any luck in getting career job, however on survival job you can live hand to mouth.

Do you guys think its wise to maintain PR status by living in Canada or I should give priority to my career job on which I am on in Saudi Arabia. My family is on myself, wife and 3 years old son, by profession i am petro physicist with 8 years of experience.

Moderator, please keep this post active for a day as many overseas visit your site and will be able to guide me better in making this important decision.

Khan replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 02:14 PM PST 

Brother desiperdesi, I am giving you very sincere advice, may be you or many other people will consider it sentimental or useless in this era. We are Muslims by the grace of Allah the Almighty and this is the most precious gift of Allah to us. According to one authentic Hadith of Muhammad (PBUH) one Muslim must not migrate to one non-Muslim country. At the end, everyone has to die and answerable to Allah the Almighty. By migrating to non-Muslim countries, we take risk to spoil our next generations. Presently, you are in the best place of world and remember Allah is the "ONLY Raziq" and Masha'Allah you are highly qualified person and well settled also in KSA. Insha'Allah, Allah will you give you vast Rizq in future also if you trust on Allah and do not migrate to non-Muslim Country. I did the same for myself and did not apply to get UK migration on HSMP program in 2003 (all documents were ready) although at that time was very easy for me due to having professional qualification from UK. Anytime, I did not face any trouble in Rizq and instead it is increasing continually by the grace of Almighty Allah. I am also staying in KSA. ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST.

Ajmal replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 02:15 PM PST 

Assalamo Alaikum
In Islam migrating from Darus-salam to Daru-Kuf is not recommended.
In ur case particular, Be contended to present Job and Insha-Allah it shall be better for u in this world and hereafter

Habib replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 02:22 PM PST 

Most of People who have good Jobs In Gulf find it very Difficult to Quit Their Job and go To Canada as Life is Tough there and salary is Much less, even For similar Job.
I Have Few examples here
X1 A doctor 45 years Got Immgration 5ys Back and and never Thought he should leave a Job Paying 35000 Dhs salary plus accomdation and lost PR Chance he is OK with This decision
X2 working in Etislat on 20000 Lum sum salary sent his wife and Kids to Canada and he is working in UAE , He is Not Old too hardly 40, He frequesnly Visit them , He Told That he did IT arrangement in Apartment where his Family is Living Mutiple camera and Mics Plus wireless Mics So He is on Hotline with Them at length, During off offices Hours , He can also interact with Kids very well. He was Looking satisfied.
X3 A professional 52ys has Grown Up Kids just Got PR and his Kids will soon be going to Colleg and Univ , He Thinks he will maintain his Job paying 36K UAE and will send his wife and Kids to get residence.
X4 An engineer In private getting 9K salary only had No question to stay in UAE and as soon as he got PR he went.
My advice is For stable Job and any salry More than 20K SR no question U should Leave the Job, Salary less than 10K There is No question U should stay in Saudi.
In between You assess your Family need If Kids are grown up and need higher education then send with your wife.

jk replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 03:05 PM PST 

If you want your generation to be in the same situation as you are today don't go and if you want them to be confident migrate. Moving partially is against the nature and will bring more difficulties. Do ISTIKHARA it will give you satisfaction and peace of mind.

JUJ replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 04:11 PM PST 

The behaviour of Arabi to Pakistanis is well known. I would suggest go to Canada for good future of your son if not for yourself. You will find good job, just wait.

Muslim replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 05:42 PM PST 

My personal opinion in favor of Mr. Khan's sincere advice.

Your next generation is your future, and Raziq is Allah. If you shift to Canada, your first gen partially and second fully be Muslim by name and third might be completely none Muslim. You will be a source of this conversion of your next breed from Muslim to non-Muslim. ON the day of judgement, you will be held responsible for the good or bad you provided/ tought to your kids. Majority of the moderates living in Pakistan are far away from such thinking and consider such ideas as freak.

I am living in KSA, roamed around different countries to convince myself to find better place than this but failed. Though facing number of constraints here, can afford to settle anywhere but am quite satisfied when thinks into the future of kids in real term (after I leave this world).

I will suggest you to stay where you are and leave the rest on Allah!

J replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 06:28 PM PST 

Dear Brother,

I am fully agree with the views of Mr.Khan and Muslim... The so called moderated people call us fundamentalist... But one day we all have to face ALLAH for sure... So make the decision which is better for both Dunya and Akhirah...

desiperdesi replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 06:42 PM PST 

Forgot to add that my son has PDD-NOS (kind of autism), this is the only thing which is keeping me on toes :(

desiperdesi

Adnan replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 07:00 PM PST 

Well, I respect everyone's point of view but I dont believe Allah put any restrictions on movement. If you studay the Quran, it is quite clear that Allah talks about Zameen and not Mulk, all land belongs to Allah, so being Muslim does not prohibit you from traveling and living in a non Muslim land. As a matter of fact, if Muslims in the past did not travel and live in non Muslim lands, Islam would not have spread throughout the world. On a more practical note, sentiments have to make sense, being emotional without recognition of the facts on the ground is merely being stupid, and stupidity is haram in Islam, I can guarantee you. Therefore, my dear desiperdesi, make a wise choice, think long term for your children, I would go to Canada and not let this opportunity go. You can spend two years a bit tight, and then come back to the Gulf, there are plenty of jobs for Canadian nationals in this part of the world. I am surprised how you can even think about this, there is no room for error, you will not get a canadian citizenship again if you spoiled this chance. And in KSA, you can spend the rest of your life and still be an alien, the day you lose your job, you have to leave. Go to Canada my brother, and you will find Allah there as well, same Allah, and plenty of Muslims. Have faith my friend. God bless you.

Adnan replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 07:09 PM PST 

And considering that your son has autism, you must go to the "moderated people who call us fundamentalists" because the same people are the ones who will take care of your son, the same people are the ones who have better "huququlibad" than us and the same people are ever likely to cure your son. I look like I am advocating non Muslims, but really I am not. All I am saying is that we have a fanatic and "fundamentalist" view of not only others but also ourselves as Muslims. We consider ourselves as supreme, better than everyone else, heirs of heavens, but Muslim society today unfortunately has the most ills. We curse the west, yet we eat, drink, wear and drive things that they made, we talk on the phones that they invented, we watch the tv that they invented, we sow the seeds in our farms that they engineered in their labs, we live on the money that they donate to us, and yet we call them infidels and call ourselves Momin, what hypocrisy. If everyone in Pakistan gets a canadian visa, I can bet on my life that everyone except for a few will leave. So why should you stay my friend, go to greener pastures. When you walk on their streets and drive on their roads, you will see Allah better, as there is no killing, theft, corruption, fundamentalism, jahalat, in that country. It is a better Islamic society even without being an Islamic soceity

( Moderator's Note: Please read in continuation of above post of Mr. Adnan, as this part below was not initially posted due to some technical problem. We apologize for that. However, please note this does not mean we have an agreement or disagreement with the opinion expressed. )

And for the "Muslim" brother who suggested that you will be responsible for the conversion of your kids into non Muslims, first, it is mere speculation that your kids and their future generations will convert simply because they are not living in a country with a Muslim government. Secondly, if Allah starts pinning responsibilities of the behavior of our future generations upon our decisions, we will all burn in hell. Allah SWT says to Muhammad PBUH in the Quran, "You are only here to give good news of Jannah to the pious and scare of hell to the sinners, you are not their Darogha, you are not responsible for their deeds". How can Allah not hold resonsible his last Prophet but hold us responsible for our future generations. And then comes the question of being Muslim and being a true Muslim. Do you really believe that Muslims living in Muslim countries are all true Muslims and the Muslims living in non Muslim countries are not true Muslims. Allow me to ask this question from brother "Muslim" here, are all the residents of Pakistan going straight to heaven, or the residents of Saudi. I live in Bahrain, go to Saudi many times, meet with Saudis every day, in my opinion, they are as hard headed, stupid, corrupt and inhuman as they were 1500 years ago. They dont obey the law, they drink and womanize, they dont consider any non Arab as human, still you think they are true Muslims just because they live in Saudi Arabia, so all their sins will automatically wash off and they will go to heaven. We Muslims are living in a fools paradise, convincing ourselves that we will simply go to heaven because we were born in a Muslim family in a country with a majority of Muslims living in it. Think again my brothers, is heaven so simple to achieve, just take nationality of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and recite the Kalma, and thats it. Wake up, it surely takes a lot more than just being in this or that country, and no, you will not be punished for your future generations sins, just like your forefathers must not be punished for your sins.

aussie_expat replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 08:33 PM PST 

I suggest go to canada. Complete ur residency. Get the passport. Your kid is small n believe me he can be normal because in western countries they have a lot of options and organizations to help. Once u get passport u can come to pak or gulf watevrr u want. But in future citizenship will help ur child. No doubt..

There is no gaurantee that ur job in ksa will last forever.

aussie_expat replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 08:38 PM PST 

One more thing. DONT ask for advice from those who dont know about the good aspects of west

And to all muslim brothers if muslim dont go to mulk kufr how will then islam spread.

ksa replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 09:05 PM PST 

In my opinion you will see Islam's teaching related to scociety practically implemented in Canada whereas you can find all un Islamic practices abundently available in Gulf.No respect no caring look at the trafic you can easily understand the difference.Go to Canada get citizenship and then decide We being Pakistani and working in Gulf must have second home as we can not settle in PAkistan after living in Gulf easily

Khurram replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:09 PM PST 

Brother Do ISTIKHARA

dxb replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:41 PM PST 

I do agree with Khan, Muslim, and J.

I work in Dubai and was in a similar situation 10 years ago. Having visited Canada just like you I decided to give-up my Canadian PR and stayed at my job in Dubai. I did not want my children to turn away from Islamic practices and our values untill I die. I met a Muslim boy with the name Ali in downtown Toronto who felt proud in telling me that he is a gay. There are countless other examples. Why to take a chance...believe you me...it is absolutely not worth migrating. Your son's sickness is from Allah SW, and He is the only One who will cure it. My cousin sent his mom to Canada considering better health facilities but her dead body was sent back. Your kids future is determined by your today's decisions....choice is your's

Ahmed-KSA replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:55 PM PST 

@ Adnan

I feel you are advocating West and US albeit in an intelligent way. I don’t know where are you from. However, if you are a Muslim and Pakistani, you don’t need to be so apologetic. While Muslims all over the world have their issues and Pakistanis are no exception, can you take an account of the destruction West and US have spread all over the world. Yes it is right we use imported stuff, how about the lethal weapons they are exporting to the world since World War II and for which they create war and conflicts amongst the nations across the world using different means i.e. so called intelligence reports, media, United Nations etc. Just one example, USD60 billion worth of military contract signed by US with Saudi Arabia to settle the oil bills. Amazing barter of fuel a lifeline for US economy with ammunition and war machines to make the region like a hell. In a way their so-called exemplary welfare states status and living standards are being financed through spreading wars and conflicts the world over so that they can keep exporting weapons. Had it not been the truth, there won’t be too obvious “haves” and “have-nots” on the face of this world. Rest assure this disparity is not sustainable and have-nots will find their ways of getting their piece of bread or get haves at par in terms of living standards. It is law of nature.

How about Iraq where they waged war in the name of weapons of mass destruction for their own vested interests. Did they ever find those weapons?

Pakistan is bestowed with all basics wheat, cotton and cement etc. to have food, cloth and shelter, the rest like mobiles, internet, tv screens etc. come afterward however not at the cost of peace which is a rare commodity in Pakistan looking like a battlefield since the days of Russian invasion in Afghanistan.

Strongly recommend Pakistanis should go abroad however for the causes like education, jobs and to remit their earnings back to Pakistan to make Pakistan and your next generations prosperous.

Amar replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:58 PM PST 

Dear Desipardesi,
I know a person who was working as Civil Engineer in Mekkah. He left for Canada for better opportunities. Now he, his wife both work in Cananda and the kids also work on and off alongwith their studies. They have forgotten how to pray and read Holy Quran.
The rest you can conclude.
A Well wisher.

Habib replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:13 PM PST 

Looking at This issue of Autism I feel that it is Good for You to go to Canada, Ony down side is You son May have even More Problem of development of Speech, But as The Cosmoploitan environment, the speech problem will not be felt seriously.
It is Shameful to say but a fact that In Pakistan such a child will pose too much risk to you and your family [In terms of Kidnap and ransom etc]

Haroon replied on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:18 PM PST 

I am also having Canadian Immigration, I am also working in UAE, I have good job here, I have lived in USA in good times, but, I am more happy in UAE, better jobs, Muslim culture, best law & order, growing economies, near to our home land Pakistan, I can see my mother within 3 hours flight.

in Canada no confirmed jobs, only ODD jobs available, we to struggle a lot to adjust ourself in Canada, its too cold also.

Even other than Muslim culture, I prefer not to shift in Canada if a person is having better job and creer in GCC region,

Regards

Ali1981 replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:22 AM PST 

Hi,

This is probably the first time I am posting a reply to any post but in my opinion you should get your PR first, yes i understand you will face lot of problem in these 2 years but think from a longer perspective, after completing the remaining years you can always return to Middle East Countries and stay there. If you spend your entire life in these countries, you will end up in having a good life but still your son will have to struggle a lot in his life, so think from their perspective. Also if you have a Canadian passport at the end, chances of getting a high salary package in GCC countries are more than normal passport.

I humbly disagree with all other members on the fact that while living in Canada or US keeps you away from being Muslim, I personally know many scholars who have spent their entire life in such countries and are pure muslims in true spirite. There are many people who live in Pakistan are quite far from religion but since they live in Pakistan doesn't qualify them as pure Muslim.

I would strongly recommend you considering yours and your son's future, if you get their passport, he will have an opportunity to get the world class education at affordable cost, I did my Masters from UK and paid almost 12000 pounds and UK resident paid somewhere 3000 pounds.

Regards,
Ali

jk replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:34 AM PST 

Living Medical and Education are main issues of our society and force us to migrate in a place where all these are available and it is in Canada and not in Saudi Arabia or other gulf countries.

These RAFIQ from Saudi Arabia and GCC may have not face these issues yet and I wish they do not face a criminal offence or get sick in Arab countries otherwise they will learn in a single day they are in A wrong place.

Spending life time(90 % as bachelors )in uncertain condition. Is it teaching of Islam ?

Living in Gulf Countries make you coward, only 10% people mange to up left their lives style and remaining just survive and return to original within 6 months when return. Where as it is the other way around in western countries.I bet if these friends are been put in YOUR situation they will fly Canada with out consulting.

Brother if you want to live in Gulf keep living but one day you or your new generation will do this migration unless there is not a complete change in motherland and unfortunately we have not start setting the right direction yet.

Certainly there will be some difficult period initially and you may need to put more efforts on some issues but as soon you will settle down things will start improving permanently. As I suggested you above
do ISTIKHARA for your peace of mind and satisfaction.

Good Luck.

Adnan replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 01:37 AM PST 

Dear Ahmed-KSA, I am certainly not advocating the west, I absolutely agree with you that the west has abscoded Muslim resources for many decades and have waged war on us Muslims. I am a Pakistani and a Muslim living out of Pakistan, I have traveled the world also. What I am saying is that our hypocrisy as an Ummah is the reason why we are being subjected to all this ravaging by the west, be it wars or be it insult. You mentioned Iraq, why not remind ourselves of the era of Saddam Hussain, wasnt he the crony of the USA and fought their war against Iran for 8 years, killed millions of people. I am not saying that US was justified to do what they did in Iraq, I cannot justify evil for evil, but Saddam gave away the reasons to the west to invade him. He was a mass murderer and corrupt. Look at all the arab countries today, all are corrupt, you live in KSA, how do you rate the Saud family ruling with iron fist and making a mockery of Islam with their absurd religious practices and laws. You speak about Pakistan and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. I can see you do not clearly remember why and how we got involved into this war, this was again a US war that we fought as a proxy, thanks to Mr. Ziaulhaq and his compatriots, look at what it brought us, misery for generations to come. Whose fault was this, USA or our own. You speak about Afghanistan, the war in this country was launched because they had a bunch of lunatics ruling the war ravaged country in the name of their twisted version of Islam and harboring a terrorist organization. Malala, the 14 year old girl advocating the right to education, was shot in the head by the same Afghani Muslims that are now issuing a statement every day to convince us that their action is justified by Islam.

I work hard for my country, living outside, sending money, buying property, my home and my family are back in Pakistan, and so is my heart. The only reason that I am spending so much time and energy writing all this is because I love my country and my religion. But I feel sorry (not apologetic) for what I see, of my country and my religion. I am a very highly educated man, not only in academics but I have also studied religion, Islamic history written by not only Muslims but also non Muslim scholars. I have studied Hadith as well. And that is what makes me wonder when my fellow citizens and educated people like the friends on this forum talk about religion and standards of the west. You found a Muslim boy in Toronto who told you he was gay, I can name tens of famous actors on Pakistani TV and film who are gay, so what?? Being gay is biological, not by choice. The streets of Pakistan are full of terrorists, thieves, beggars, looters, plunderers, and what not, and good people also. I can name a number of my friends and people I know who live in Canada and other western countries, and they are more into religion than I am. So my dear friend, if you are saying that moving to canada or the west will take you away from the religion, then I am sorry to inform you that your religious beliefs are not very strong and cannot face adversity. What kind of belief is that which changes when you change your location??

aliakee replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 01:51 AM PST 

The main purpose to move to canada is rizk but unfortunately you are not suceeded in it so far.Deen protection is in saudia definatelty not in canada e.g homesexually is legal there but Allah swt cursed it.

i think, you could go canada and your family should be in some muslim country.so when you are old ,you will came back in muslim country and your kids who will grow in muslim country will try there luck in west.

jnz replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 01:54 AM PST 

Hi,

you MUST go to canada.
Most people struggle in the beginning but there are tons of pakistanis there who will help you. go to alberta. you will find work in oil and gas / mining sector which is booming and which will continue for years to come.
there are many muslims all over canada and you can lead a independent life and alway can move to dubai etc after your citizenship.

best is to keep going back and forth and get a job and then move family.

saudi has no long term future in terms of permanent settlement. Pakistan you know how it is. The thing is, secure yourself and then you can always live where ever u like.

i have lived in US, Europe, Gulf, have a canadian citizenship and now live in lahore.

jnz replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 02:13 AM PST 

I have met pakistanis all over the world.
In prague, in barcelona, in johannesburg, in peru, etc etc.
we are probably the biggest country which is so unstable and lacks work opportunity that our folks have to emigrate all over the world - legally and illegaly - but also the situation keeps getting worse so that it becomes harder and harder to move back (unlike indian or chinese who can easily go back and settle their life).
consider yourself very lucky that you have a good legal option to move to canada.

I have met many pakistanis families who live in the west - and go to clubs and drink and eat pork. and many who stick to their pure pakistani culture etc. there is freedom to do x or y.
however, if you take an effort to keep connected with the muslim center in your area, then you can easily lead a nice muslim life anywhere where there is muslim community. so get connected to the islamic center whereever you go. if you teach you kid quran with translation, it is impossible that he will not enjoy the life in islam. i have seen many kids born abroad like US, UK, Europe etc, who are great muslims and with internet etc it is much easier to teach quran - islamic classes on sunday etc.
besides, canada has a huge muslim community and canada welcomes diversity. as long as you dont start blowing up stuff.

so, be brave and move. however, do locate some contacts in oil and gas industry who can help you to find the right job.
as i said, go to alberta and you will find work.

ks replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 03:05 AM PST 

You all missed one key point
"Where ever you live, live TOGETHER with your family"
Teach your family about Islam by being a good role model and Allah Karim will not abondon you. Do not fear of a country of residence, fear of doing bad deeds, and you will be just fine.

Khan replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 06:38 AM PST 

Very interesting discussion. A lot has been said about Islam is Gulf. What kind of Islam is this where locals and foreigners are entitled to medical treatment on the basis of their nationality and not sickness! This does not happen in Kafir countries, Canada or others.

overseas paki replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 01:12 PM PST 

i'm going to second Mr. Khan. We have more rights in western countries than you have in pakistan and middle east countries. In saudi arabia they treat people from pakistan differently than they treat American Citizens and also their Pay is much better than Pakistani's. Why is that? Their is more honesty in Western Counties than we have in muslim countries.

uae replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 01:22 PM PST 

i have been in same situation this same year, actually there is a discussion like this to my question which was same as this one on this same forum, in think in january this year.
I listened to everybody, did istikhara, visited canada to see the opportunities and life style of my friends with similar qualification, discussed with them also. And finally decided to stay in uae, as i am in a government company and earning+saving good money Alhamdullah. Regarding the chance to go there in future, you will miss it, but if you save good money during your stay in saudia or uae, then you can go to some other country also after retirement, its money that counts in this world, if you have it and the information + good working experience, you will excel everywhere.
I am sorry to learn about you kid, there are good medical facilities in ksa and uae also, if people think that they are only available in the west they are mistaken. If you can afford you can have best treatment in ksa and uae also. I discussed with my friend who is also an engineer and working in toronto regarding my current salary and saving and he advised me to stay in uae, although he has canadian nationality. A good stable job is difficult to find, and if you have it, you should thank Allah and think before leaving it for unknown.

uae replied on Thursday, October 18, 2012 01:27 PM PST 

One more point, that i remember,
if pakistan is such a hopeless place, as stated by everyone in this forum then why everyone is buying property over there, and why everyone is on this forum to see market rate :-))))
Akalmandoon ko salam.

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Monday, September 3, 2012 03:52 PM PST 
ebay Order through GPO (General Post Office)

Assalam-o-Alaiqum,

This is not property related but some of the reader might guide me and would appreciated Admin of LRE for allow me for this.

Is that ok to order some product from ebay to deliver to Pakistan?
Would Pakistan Post Office deliver the products safely to any address in Lahore (Punjab)?

Please share your experience as I had bad experience with Pakistan Post Office that I sent brand new mobile phone through registered post from EU to Lahore which never reached even though I give all details to my brother to persue in GPO which didn't accept they have received it or acknowledge the tracking number I gave GPO. On another occassion I sent another mobile phone which reached through GPO.
So, not sure if it would be good to order on Ebay to deliver Lahore/Pakistan?

Please advise/comment on this or best way to place online order for family/friends who lives in Pakistan.

Best regards.

J replied on Monday, September 3, 2012 06:46 PM PST 

use http://www.shopandship.com/default.aspx

this will give you an address in US. You can ask ebay to ship product to ur US address and then Aramex (courier company) will ship it to your Pakistan address.

Pakistan postoffice reliability or issues cant help you with international shipment tracking. I had similar issues with no registered shipments from Amazon.com to UAE address.

Naveed Yaseen replied on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 01:59 AM PST 

Government postal service in Pakistan is not reliable, especially for expensive or small pocket size items.

Shipping from ebay would be relatively more risky than your own shipping experience, as in your case at least one end was safe.

Pappu Shah replied on Wednesday, September 5, 2012 06:05 AM PST 

With due respect, Pakistan is not what it used to be some 20 years back & has literally become a shopper's paradise. Just name anything & you will find people providing excellent door to door service to deliver quality goods of your choice without the hassle of using any credit card. You just confirm order of your required goods & the delivery is made on the next day. Just give it a try with some small item.
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