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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 08:26 AM PST 
Development work in Sector G14 / 1, 2, 3 Islamabad

Dear Islamabad Experts,

When we can expect development to start in G14 Islamabad?? I purchased a plot there 3 years ago in G14 / 2 but its market value is same even down.
Any effort or progress made by FGEHF or CDA to start development work in G14 / 1, 2, 3. Please share your useful information, NEWS and Views regarding development work in G14.

Mian Nadeem Islamabad replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 01:46 PM PST 

Survey for BUP (Build up property) is in progress after survey award for compensation will be announced by DC. Development might start in 2012.
Sector to be developed by FGEHF no role of CDA in land acquisition , award & development work.

jk replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 05:19 PM PST 

Dear Mian Nadeem,
Would you please up date on the development status of Sector D-12
Can you witness notice able development OR it is stiil slow and why allottee are also not showing their interest. ?

please write in detail your point of view.

Mian Nadeem Islamabad replied on Thursday, July 28, 2011 01:10 PM PST 

Bahria 1-6 Vs DHAI-II.

Development Standard/Environment: Bahria is better. No load shading.
Safety: DHAI-II is more secure.
Monthly/ Maintenance Charges: Bahria Charge comparatively more.
Delay in start of Construction: Bahria Charges are high.
Access Bahria 1-6: 3 access:1 from Isb 2 from R.Pindi
Access DAHI-II: 7 access:4 from Isb 2 from R.Pindi

Access From Islamabad : Bahria Town is 4 KM & accessible
from very busy PWD road.

DHAI-II is on main expressway
& accessible from 4 Gates.

By Laws: By laws of both are strict.

Aamir replied on Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:29 PM PST 

very nice Nadeem sb. Jazakallah

Oversea Pakistani replied on Friday, July 29, 2011 02:56 AM PST 

Very nice comparison Nadeem Bahi, clarified lot of things.
If you got some heighted plot with reasonable demand in DHAI-2. Please do contact me at
Thanks alot.

Hamad Raza replied on Sunday, December 11, 2011 07:57 PM PST 

Dear Mian Sb.,

Please advise what is the status of G-14 now? Which sector in Islamabad is good for investment these days? I want to invest between 20lakhs to 30lakhs and expect to encash my investment in 5 years time from now. Appreciate if you can post your response to my email id as well.

Hamad Raza replied on Sunday, December 11, 2011 08:11 PM PST 

Dear Mian Sb.,

Please advise what is the status of G-14 now? Which sector in Islamabad is good for investment these days? I want to invest between 20lakhs to 30lakhs and expect to encash my investment in 5 years time from now. Appreciate if you can post your response to my email id as well.
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Friday, January 1, 2010 12:13 PM PST 
Renting out Safari Villas, Bahria Town Lahore

Following email and my reply is related to renting out Safari Villas, Bahria Town Lahore.

Hello Mr kaisrani AA
Hope you are in best, i always reading your advices throw internet every time, I appreciate in your honest guidance to the people.
I purchased 8M serina villa in safari villas in Nov 2008, i did not found it in same specifications of house and society in 41 lac according my full budget . Alhamdulliah,
Actually i am living in ..... and i am looking to give my villa for rent from the first of Feb. 2010. Please let me know what rent i expected and if you can help to find me a good and small family and they do keep new as i purchased.
Next thing i saw some of terminate in ground flour entry door and wondering by it was terminated?
Thanks and best regard
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My reply:

Salaam and may thanks for remembering me.
Its nice to know that you are a member of Safari Villas Lahore.
Safari Villas Lahore is a under priced project. Nowadays it is hard to construct a home of same specification in Bahria Town less than Safari Villa price.
There is no problem to rent out a villa in Safari Villa project. The monthly rent is going on 18,000 to 19,000 per month (depending upon the location of villa). Three month's security plus three months advance rent is given to the owner on finalization of contract. You pay half month's rent to the dealer for finding a reasonable family for your renter. Generally civilized people come to reside in Bahria Town who do not destroy the house but when it is used it is certainly disturbed a bit. One can keep these points in the contract that the rentee will give the home in same situation on which he is getting it. Reasonable wear and tear is always expected.
When you will be renting out your villa you need to provide following things properly installed or fixed:
1. Lights in each holder (Which Bahria Town provides on possession)
2. Fans where required (8 in total general) = Estimated price = Rs.15,000/=
3. Geyser = Estimated price and installation and pipes etc = Rs.16,000/=
4. White wash if it is not properly managed = Estimated price = Rs.10,000/=
5. Water points on back boundary of villa as well as on laundry area on first floor = Estimated price = Rs.2,000/=
6. Curtain railings = Estimated price = Rs.8,000/=
7. Net door on main door and kitchen door if not installed by Bahria = Estimated price = Rs.12,000/=
8. Net on all windows (if it is not installed by Bahria) Estimated price = Rs.18,000/=

Number 7 and 8 are optional but good to do so before renting a villa for the betterment of home and renter.

If these all items are installed properly then a renter will have nothing to do to Villa. He can only disturb white wash or colour which is understandable.

A family should be small and reasonable to deal with. You need to start searching a renter from second week of January.

Termite treatment has been done in Safari Villas but if a new home (which is of course wet) remains closed then these problem may occur any time.

Please feel free to contact me if I am able to do any thing for you. Please use my email address for a prompt reply.
Thanks.

With best regards,
Hussain Kaisrani

Oversea Pakistani replied on Friday, January 1, 2010 02:26 PM PST 

Dear Hussain Kaisrani,
What about the 8 marla house situated in the Ali block.What will be the rent even some dont Have the Gas. Thanks for your usfull input always. HAPPY NEW YEAR

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Friday, January 1, 2010 02:54 PM PST 

Dear Oversea Pakistani,
Ali Block Bahria Town Lahore is better located than Safari Villas and all the houses are newly constructed and have better layout plans but it is not easy to rent (as well as to sale) out a house in Sector B. Generally the houses are made for personal residence or for sale so in both cases there may be only few houses available for rent in Sector B. There is also a problem of nonavailability of gas connection in Ali block which is main hurdle to rent out a house. Besides the quality of security and services in Sector B is not as per standard of Safari Villas. Safari Villas is an icon and Bahria Town keeps on improving its icon in Lahore.
The rent should be around Rs.17,000/= in Ali Block.

limo replied on Friday, January 1, 2010 06:39 PM PST 

Dear Mr. Kaisrani do you recall any incident ever occured because of security being lax in Sector - B.I personally feel that its not fair on part of Bahria to discriminate between Safari and rest of the Sector B residents, specially when it comes to security. Now for instance if i dont want to reside in Safari villas (as there have been frequent complaints about the drainage problems, and poor construction standars) but want to construct a house of my own choice in Sector B,do i have to compromise on security !!!

Tariq replied on Friday, January 1, 2010 07:21 PM PST 

Dear Hussain Kaisrani can you tell when ring road interchange will start construction next to bahria town

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 01:16 AM PST 

Dear limo,
I can not recall any serious incident ever occurred related to security problem in Sector B BUT I can recall a very minor problem once occurred in Safari Villas with my family in year 2006.
I put packets of fruits and vegetables on my villa's gate and went to see my family in the park as the home was locked and I did not have keys with me. I could not find them in the park so I decided to go for a walk. When came back my family was there in the home and I supposed that the packets were picked by them. About after an hour it was revealed that my family did not find any thing on the gate. I called the security in charge who responded with in few minutes along with his staff who were very much concerned. They took the responsibility without blaming me why I had put the packets outside the gate. I was asked for very minor detail of things and every point was noted down. My life partner get bored with the situation and said to Major Sahib for forgetting every thing as these were eatable things so no problem if some one needy has taken for eating. Major Sahib explained that he/she is his enemy who has taken our things and he will never let his enemy go freely. So a special plan was made to check each and every one on gate. A security person was assigned to keep eyes on garbage drums to find from where the waste of these items come out. etc etc.
After about an hour I was informed that missing items are located and these were delivered to us. This was year 2006 when only few families were living in Safari Villas. Of course the situation may not be as good now.
In Safari Villas security staff takes the responsibility of taking care of a villa in absence of an owner if it is notified to them. I am informed two of Lahore Real Estate visitors that their things were missing and Bahria Management provided new items against the missing ones.

I hear stories that water pipes, wires and kids bicycles have been stolen in Sector B. When asked this to the security staff then they give only suggestions to keep things under lock and key or to have your own watchman etc to take care. It is understandable because Sector B is crowded by too much labour class and too much transportation of trucks, tractors etc is under process day and night and it is NOT a gated wall community yet so security situation is not as good as it should be BUT it is NOT bad either.
Though I have not seen any problem of drainage in Safari and poor constructions has also been managed for (at least) my home even then I have started construction of my home in Ali Block. Though security level is not as per of Safari Villas but there is no need to compromise on security over there. Problem may happen in Safari Villas as well as in Sector B but for any serious complaint security staff will respond. Bahria Town management claims that their special force can respond within five minutes in any corner of Bahria Town Lahore. It also include under development Sector C.
I am sorry for this lengthy detail. Hope the matter is clear now.
=== Tariq Sahib ===
I do not have any proper information regarding Ring Road interchange close to Bahria Town. Sorry.

Tariq replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 02:56 AM PST 

Thank's any way Hussain Kaisrani sahib

Dr Usman replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 03:22 AM PST 

Kaisrani sahab, why there is a problem of gas connection in bahria town?Will this problem be solved in near future and does sector c also has gas connection problem.
Regards

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 03:39 AM PST 

Salaam Dr Usman Sahib!
Gas connection in Bahria Town is not a problem at all as gas line has been made available by Bahria Town. It is really a great job by Bahria Town Lahore management. The problem is with the Sui Gas office.
We discussed the issue with Malik Riaz Sahib during our last meeting assured us that it will be sorted out within year 2009 as he has brought the matter in the notice of Sui Gas MD. But the problem is still there. I understand it has not been followed by the related Bahria Town office managers.
As per my information one can get gas connection within a month but after paying the COST of time saving.
The good point is that you can apply a gas connection on your plot before starting the construction. In this situation you will be having sufficient time to wait.

Dr Usman replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 10:10 PM PST 

Thanks kaisrani sahab for the prompt reply. Best wishes for your new house. Hopefully you will share your experience of house construction with us.
Take care
Regards

DR KHOKHAR,NY,USA. replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 10:33 PM PST 

Dear Kaisrani sb,I am thankful to you for your useful information to all of our friend.i have afew plots in overseas cat A lahore.can you tell me what is deveopment status of that area.how many houses are building there.bahria town promise top notch development and facility in this area.what do you think about future of this area.are the people are moving from lahore to this area.do you think it is good investment.thanks for your information.

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:10 AM PST 

DR KHOKHAR,NY,USA. Sahib,
Thanks for your kind remarks.
Overseas Enclave A Bahria Town Lahore is developed and ready for construction of houses. Five houses are under construction and one family is residing in a newly constructed house of 10 Marla. I do not see any thing special in development or area which can differentiate Overseas Enclave A from the remaining Sector C other than location. In this price it is certainly a good investment as constructor are flooding to Bahria Town (though too much activity is still in Sector B only but reasonable construction is under process in Sector C as well).

DR KHOKHAR,NY,USA. replied on Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:19 AM PST 

Dear Kaisrani sahib,thanks for you information.one more question.bahria is taking development and possesstion charges.theas charges includes what facilities.thanks
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Sunday, July 12, 2009 02:53 PM PST 
House for sale

A beautiful double storey house(close to 10 marla safari vilas)for sale.Features are
1.Quality construction with A class bricks,imported tiles RAK in bath rooms up to roof and in bed room s tiles provided .2 bath room having shower cabins.
2. Boti sina fency marble provided in the TV lounge corridoor.
3. ceiling provided in entire house
4.coverd area 2600sq.ft
5.Aluminiam windows provided
6.A class quality wood work
7.Stain les steel handrail

Sami replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 03:09 PM PST 

Demand seems too high. How do you compare it to 8 marla safari villas available for only 40 lakh. If it's better construction you can demand 5 or 10 lakh more. But demanding 20 lakh more is crazy unless you can justify it. If not stop trying to fool people.

zahid replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 05:52 PM PST 

Sami,
why i need to justfy if some one like and he will see the diffrence he will buy or reject. very simple

Sarwar replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 06:37 PM PST 

Zahid Sb
Are u Pathan ?

Ch Manzoor replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 08:01 PM PST 

Mr Sarwar, Is there any thing wrong with Mr Zahid for being a pathan. It looks as either you like pathans or dislike them !!!!!!!!!

Out of context query

Oversea Pakistani replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 08:18 PM PST 

Dear All,

Be a proud Pakistani, that should be your identify.

Ch Manzoor replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 09:53 PM PST 

I request the admin to kindly immediately remove the discriminatory and derrogatory remarks of viewers like that of Mr Sarwar regarding any community of our beloved country. Every one of us is a Pakistani and we all communities collectively make our idenitity "PAKISTAN"

pathan replied on Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:10 PM PST 

mr sarwar whats wrong with u if he is pathan.if u have any takleef with pathan please dont come in this forum because there r many pathans in this forum so there is no place for u.understand?

Jameel replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 01:00 AM PST 

By "Pathan's demand" Possibly servar means too High Demand, It is Slang in Lahore if one asks too High price and Quickly settles the deal in 1/2 is named a pathan's demand. You Must have seen Pathans walking in streets with China made watches camers and other electric Goods, They ask usually the double Price and in one minute will accept 1/2 The Price.
I Think no communal remark was intended

Ch Manzoor replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 01:56 AM PST 

V MUST STOP ALL THESE SLANGS ETC AND REDICULING PATHAN, PUNJABI ,SINDHI AND BALOUCH. DEAR BROTHERS, I HAVE SEEN BREAKING OF PAKISTAN WITH MY OWN EYES IN 1971, MAINLY BCOS OF ILL FEELINGS OUR BENGALI BROTHERS WERE HAVING AGAINST.............................

KHUDA RA KHUDA RA DONT CREATE THE SAME SAME ILL FEELINGS AMONG THE COMMUNITIES OF REMAINING PAKISTAN BY MAKING DIFFERENT HUMILIATING SLANGS N JOKES.

AS THEY VERY RIGHTLY SAY, "WE DONT NEED ANY OUTSIDE ENEMIES TO HARM OUR BELOVED COUNTRY AS WE ARE HERE TO EASE THEIR JOB" !!!!!

LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

LONG LIVE PAKISTANI NATION

Ahmed replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 01:58 AM PST 

We are all muslim brother i agree with mr jameel.

eh replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 04:11 AM PST 

Ch. Manzoor u r right. Specially at this crucial time we are passing through we must avoid such messages.

sarwar replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 06:59 AM PST 

when the video of swatee Girl ( about lashes ) broadcast on media, i was setting with some collegues. when i ask this is shameful act, one guys with beard shout to me u r talking against islam, same happen here there was not motive of the discrimination of any sect of the society, i even, personely not believe on Chaudry, Main,.
Thanks for mr Jameel for clarifying my position, i personly think that seller should have reasonable demand,the people living overseas donot know about the actually price of the property in Pakistan.

The buyer replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 11:36 AM PST 

Jameel,
I am woundering since 4 month to find the house in sector B.But every body is asking 5500000 to 6000000.only safari you can get may be 4200000 but bahria is asking 5000000. what i know the plot 8 marla is from 1600000 to 1700000 in ali block. in my openinon the total cast on house is coming 4800000 to 5000000 . if any one selling in this price in ali block please let me know

Anwar Ahmed replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 12:37 PM PST 

Mr Buyer one of my client willing to sell his 10 marla double story house in shaheen block.( facing park). It is one year old house. well constructed, good wood work. It consists on Four bed rooms, drawing/dinning, T.v laundge, kitchen. etc. HIs demand is 65 lakhs. if you r interested then give ur offer. contact me at

DDD replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 03:26 PM PST 

MR SARWAR,
U SEEMS TO BE NON MUSLIM/OR INDIAN OR TRAITOR TO CREATE MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN US,,,,DONT WORK ON INDIAN OR ISRAIELIES AGENDA...OK

SARWAR replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 05:31 PM PST 

Mr DDD
Alhumdoolila I am muslim, patriot and livivg abroad for one decade worried about the current sitution of the country, always send money to pakistan through bank channel, i have only one house and business here in UK , all the rest assets in pakistan.
I DO NOT NEED YOUR CERTIFICATE,YOUR WORDS SHOW YOUR MENTAL APPROCH AND YOUR TOLERANCE LEVE.

DDD replied on Monday, July 13, 2009 10:01 PM PST 

ITS GOOD U R A MUSLIM,PATRIOT BUT THE WORD U USED FOR A PARTICULAR PERSON : R U PATHAN" SHOWING THE NARROW MANTELITY OF URS.,I LET U WANT TO CLEAR THAT I AM PANJABI AND PAKISTANI BUT THE WORD U USED,FOR CRITICIZING THE PATHAN WHAT MEAN THAT......

I DONT MEANT TO HURT U ,COZ WE DONT KNOW EACH OTHER ,IN THIS FOURM I NOT ONLY ME, ALL OTHER PEOPLE CRITICIZE U,,ITS MEAN U DID USE WORNG APPROCH.. ANYHOW I APPOLIGISE WHAT I WRITE TO U.

THANKS N RGARDS
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Friday, March 20, 2009 02:08 AM PST 

Is it true? To further de-stabilize Pakistan

Mr. Zadari (President of Pakistan) wants to restore the CJ as of Nov2nd position after the retirement of present CJ. As mentioned in local TV. To take the credit and to increase his creditability& honesty among locally and internationally. But somehow this information is disclosed to Mian brothers, who took the advantage.
Or.
It is planned by both the leadership?? Green buck is working on both ends
Or
It is game planned by out side??? To access the street power of Mian brothers in order to used against the present President beside NRO. Mians are presently out of power and cannot come back third time unless they become “YES” man. CJ is obliged. Threat already given by Governor Punjab to dissolve the Punjab Assemblies to further de-stabilized the government and State. PML (Q) tabled the new formula to resolve the Punjab issue. News week report about the extension of Throne attacks in Baluchistan. Increase of troops in Afghanistan. Who say NO to last two sentences.

Amjad replied on Friday, March 20, 2009 03:06 AM PST 

Issue about their reinstatement is over. We are fed up now with CJ, Nawaz family, Zardari and media. Please discuss only on real estate matters.

Waqar Latif replied on Friday, March 20, 2009 12:56 PM PST 

@OP

1st of all if Zardari's plan was to restore the judge after the retirement of Dogar, then why he actually made promises like, i will restore in 48 hours, same day, 40 days? 2nd, if his plan was to restore the judges why he said "I haven't write any hadith which can be changed". If this was the plan of zardari, why actually he let to start this long march? Why he banned the media? why Ms clinton was just calling rawind & islamabad ? why Kiyani came to meet zardari & gillani for 4 days, even he was sure that zardari can handle thi? These all questions leads to, Zardari is a proven hypocrite (according to Islam)...

Basically what i heard is, kiyani given two option to chose, 1. restore judges or 2. Start packing up (as even said by US Army Chief, "kiyani gonna take over").. Also, now PPP want to put CJ into their credit, & try to recover they lost fame.. that's why they even try to change the order came from the court.. but still they left Salman taseer (drunker) for the shareef brothers..

Now comming to shareef's stand on this, well, they are corrupt no doubt it, but this time they stand on the principle, and managed to write a history, which no one can forget...

Now coming to outside, well, this is one proven fact that, they don't want pakistan to get stabilize, that's why they shown full confidence behind zardari.. But everyone is trying to get credit for this "1. Laywers, no doubt they work v hard, 2. PPP, they were totally against it, 3. US, who has nothing to do other then just call.. they even couldn't put pressure on zardari, yet they tried to get credit, 4. UK, I don't know why exactly they are trying to get credit.. but i saw their headlines as well..

but actually the credit goes to the 1. People of pakistan, who actually shown that they can fight for their rights, 2. Kiyani, who actually pressurized zardari tremendously and also didn't try to get power.. good going kiyani, 3. lawyers as i said, they worked v hard. 4. PML-N, yes of course they wanted CJ back so they can clear their case, but yes no doubt they worked v hard to gather more than half of million people on the roads. 5. Jamat-e-Islami, well, i must say the power they normally show on the roads, really make me thinking why they can't get the seats, i guess they normally boycott the election each time. 6. Tehrik-e-Insaf, well, he was also there.. 7. & last not the least Justice Hameed dogar, yes, he actually made the decision of disqualification of shareef's brothers, and made them so aggressive towards long march.. without his this decision, it wasn't possible to have a successful long march..

baloch replied on Friday, March 20, 2009 12:59 PM PST 

it was media war and we are fed up the bugti was killed in this cj time and he kept quite bugti made him judge

Waqar Latif replied on Friday, March 20, 2009 02:56 PM PST 

Mr. Baluch, have u ever been to the court, during ur life time? Judges are not mayor or government leaders, they are just Judges.. when something come in front of them then they can only take some action (on the basis of evidences), otherwise they can't simple take notice without any appeal done to them. Also, isn't Bugti order to baluchies to celebrate independence day on 15th Aug, while pakistan's independence day is on 14th, & india's us on 15th.. why exactly he said that? Also isn't same bughti, who invented BLA (Baluchistan Liberation Army), do u know the meaning of this? So, in eyes of pakistanis he was a traitor, and traitors don't have sympathy from the nation, or justice.

Now coming to ur baluch point of view of supporting bhugti, do u know how much government has paid to bhugti for the royalty of Sui Gas? it more then million ruppees, so now can u show me single peny which bhugti put for welfare of the baluchis? still u guyz give favor to him? why?

Ps: u write baloch, which which made me a suspicion u r an indian rather then a pakistan, so can't be a baluchi..

@CMy, can u post his IP address... So we know whether he is even a baluchi or not...

Rameez replied on Friday, March 20, 2009 08:06 PM PST 

@baloch

baloch are our brothers but their leaders didn't do justice to them,

i cannot believe that Bugti went to Cambridge and was still treating his people badly, his people were still sitting on the ground, they had no education, he has his own jail, was taking money from govt,

he was definitely a traitor

Advisor replied on Friday, March 20, 2009 09:15 PM PST 

@ Waqar
You should be head of Lalamusa primary school. Trust me you are not good for any educated forum.
Your advisor providing free services at your door steps.

@Baloch
There is no doubt that Bugti was not a good human being but may be good for Baloch cause. I thing we should bring him in negotiation table and discuss his concerns instead of killing him in cave.
This was another Musharaf unforgiveable mistake. Moving forward, yes, we should take Baloches in confident for any big project including Gawadar. I would recommend everybody before commenting on Baloch issue, you must read histroy of Balochistan province. Of course Emotional comments will hurt Pakistan's federation.

Pakistan first replied on Saturday, March 21, 2009 05:40 AM PST 

Mr. Waqar Latif, Thanks for your comments.
You certainly have much clear thoughts as compare to those who are victim of media propaganda.
@Advisor: Bugti use to treat Balochs worst that slaves, most of BLA terrorists are those brainwashed children whose parents were killed by Bugti and children admitted in his BLArmy.
Our politicians are equally responsible who strengthened him by paying annual ransom of billions.
BTW, Musharraf will remain a nightmare for u Indian advisors.
He is the victorious soldier of Kargil, Khemkern, Chowinda battles.
Keep attacking him and invisible hand will keep saving him.
He is an asset and hero to the nation and we will keep his pictures in our hearts.
His classic Kargil maneuver has already become a curriculum for Indian army.
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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:41 AM PST 
Bring back musharraf

he was the best only true leader who made pakistan prosperous, lets bring him back

AFSOOS replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:58 AM PST 

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Observer replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:19 AM PST 

Are you musharraf writing here with a different name. I am sure Justice Iftikhar will be bringing you back very soon. Just dont leave the country.

badar replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 02:59 AM PST 

Musharruf was the true enemy of Pakistan who bulldoze Constitute , parliment , judiciary , Media and spoil the image of Pak Army and people of Pakistan.

eh replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 03:06 AM PST 

izzo_mantasha_wa_zillo_mantasha.

See where is Iftikhar Chaudhary and where is Musharraf?

limo replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 03:24 AM PST 

He was a matchless military genius and a visionary leader who had clear understanding of the issues confronting our nation.He was never a saint and did mistakes too.Lets be honest while describing someone.

Observer replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 04:26 AM PST 

Military Genius managed to

Lose a war from India in Kargil
Open country's soil to open attacks from US
Makes us all a target for terrorists worldwide
Gets the economy to a state where not even utilitis are available
Makes justice a luxury no common person should have
Commits treason, takes over a legitimate government elected by people
Declares Emergency plus never heard before
Brings about seperatism in provinces
Encourages Q league and MQM like fascist parties+hypocrite Fazlu party
...

The only good thing to his credit is opening up Media which became a reason for his undoing in the end.

Zia replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 04:43 AM PST 

He wrote in his own book that he agreed to all America's unjust bullying on just one phone call because he became afraid of the threat by an American junior official.

Many times he publicly told Pakistanis "do you want to be bombed into stone age? We are no match against America".

We, the Pakistani nation of 160 million people fed our army's supplies and budgets by cutting the destinies of our children to LISTEN TO THIS?? Wake up limo.

You say so innocently he made mistakes. Do you have any idea what kind of mistakes he made?

Musharraf is traitor and enemy of Pakistanis. PAKISTANIS FIRST!

yesss replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 05:06 AM PST 

Musharraf was the best friend of the US, not Pakistan.
US interests are NOT always in the best interest of Pakistan.

Musharraf did not care because he liked hanging out with the BIG BOYS in Washington. He was orgasmic when sitting with the big boys.

Abrar replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 05:15 AM PST 

He was a ruler who like any other ruthless military dictator relied on army to rule and made other vital civil institutions subservient to army. He damaged the civil institutions in this process. No matter how good, a dictator will always employ corruption and fear as tactics to prolong his rule. There may be some brief delusions of development but prosperity will not find its way to masses. Most of the time a dictator will leave behind a chaotic nation, similar to what we have now.

concerned replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 06:10 AM PST 

LOL

true replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 07:57 AM PST 

he has no palace in raiwind or clifton, he is common middle class citizen even after retiring.
we hail you musharraf

parka likha replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:02 AM PST 

Musharraf was the best and only great leader in our history.

BRN replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:04 AM PST 

Shame on all of you who favor Musharraf. Tell him to give such lectures in front of Pakistani audience, he will know what value he got in Pakistan. He is just a ...

Waqar Latif replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:18 PM PST 

When i look at Musharaf's era, then it was far more better then this democratic era, apart from how democratic leaders, choudhries, etc hurt Musharaf's repo pretty badly, and also apart from he was anti-islam. but yes he was atleast good for Pakistan.

Waqar Latif replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST 

@observer

everything is fine, but why exactly we like to give away the war which actually we won to Indian Credit? We didn't lose Kargil war, but main problem was that "Pakistan never declared any war". If they would then they could use airforce.. Also, Army failed since they were instructed to come back, and those who were defending india on front line, got killed because of supply cut off.. other then that, Pakistan put India on the toes, and the supply line of the india to Sia chin got cut.. & 1000s of indian army men died because of that. Also not to forget, how many indian army men killed when pakistani jawan destroyed many indian check posts during conquering LOC.

I accept Musharaf & NS both failed to support this act which lead to killing of many Pakistani army men.. But i can't accept we lose kargil war.. it was a victory over a gain who is 5 times bigger then pakistan.

Majed replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:15 PM PST 

those of u who like Mushy....do u behave in same manner in ur homes 2. If u do Allah have mercy on ur homes.

Waqar Latif replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:33 PM PST 

@Majed

No one is talking about liking or disliking musharaf. Everyone is comparing Musharaf with current democratic system, & if u r fair to urself then u will have to accept some of the good steps from Musharaf like,

1. HEC development, 100s of people got scholarship, and due to this we have many PHDs, and M-Phils
2. During his time cement secter & Textile grown like big giants, and compited other giants like china, who were selling pretty cheap textiles & Cement..
3. 10000s of people earning growth to 4 times, and many of them who are still earning more then 1 lac think it is less.. since they are comparing it with Musharaf's era
4. No Tax growth throughout his whole tenor, while on the other hand, Mr. Zaradari put so many taxes, that it is not possible for middle class person to buy a car.
5. Dollar steady position on 60 for 7 long year, and on the other hand if we compare his era with previous or this democratic era, then we can easily find.. dollar went up for more then 17 rupees in this era, and 32 rupees in post-zia regime i.e. 11 years of democracy
6. quick run away from IMF, and Pakistan was out of this, but now thanks to this new democratic government we are again trapped in IMF. btw previously as well, Ms. BB gets all credit of trapping pakistan before to IMF


Apart from the bad things like,

1. Lal Masjid,
2. CJ,
3. Becoming American Alley in "War in terror"
4. giving licenses to many NGOs (without going into details in which many of them used to sell women (8 Oct earthquake is one example)
5. Privatization

& many more..

Javed Ch replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:33 PM PST 

with due respect to all anti Musharaf, Musharaf was better than the present politicians who gave a loss of 30 billions to the country during long march. Can CJ alone put the country on the right track? can he be effective down to kachery level, if not, then the crores of poor ppl stucked up at kachery level for justice,now can they go to Ch Iftehar? not possible because a poor man would require minimum 15 to 20 lacs for an ordinary wakeel of supreme court and few crores for itezaz hassan.
We emotional Pakistanis live in FOOLS PARADISE....Cool Cool and be decent
Musharaf was better and is the BEST

alpha beta replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 02:50 PM PST 

Pity for those who favor that American pimp.

Q replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 03:02 PM PST 

leave CJ case apart, why he wanted guaratnee that there will be no inquiry on Lal Masjid, Kargil, 12 May ???????

limo replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 04:05 PM PST 

Waqar, you looked balance while putting your opinion but about your point no.4 among the bad things attributed to Musharaf. Lets be honest to ourselves and ask whether anyone other that Musharaf at his place at that time would not have taken the same decision that Musharaf took (right or wrong is a separate debate)! It is a very simple equation that most of us are unable to understand. Let me ask a simple question, why present govt is unable to say NO to US. I bet, let Nawaz come in power tomorrow, he would also be toeing the same line what his predecessors have been doing so far. Yes its also true that we are facing the repurcussions of that YES till today.But i would love to see someone questioning the loyalty of Musharaf here when compared with conventional politicians.
It was Aetezaz who being an Interior minister handed over a list of suspected persons to India in 1988.
It was Nawaz, who being PM happily handed over Amel Kansi to US.
It was none other than Benazir, who said that if Bhutto can be hanged for starting nuclear program for Pakistan, why can't Qadeer be tried.
Javed Ch i agree with you that its only we who have paid to satisfy the personal ego of this CJ.I would say that if someone has to be blamed for the 40 odd killings on 12 May, its should be CJ.
Alpha name any one whom you think is not an americam pimp, the one who is not will never fit in this power structure.

Aziz Khan replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 04:42 PM PST 

Musharaf only cared for himself. His only concern was protecting of USA, mafia bosses, hoarders, speculators, terrorists,etc.

Zia replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 04:45 PM PST 

His sad legacy is that he was put by destiny in a position of ABSOLUTE power for eight years. He could have done SO MUCH for Pakistanis. Not just Pakistan but for Pakistanis.

He used to say in his speeches to the people that previous governments did nothing. Then he himself used to answer by saying "They had no money". Everybody knows previous governments were not let to function because of non-government forces.

Army or Civilians replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 05:34 PM PST 

There are two types of people who are pro-musharraf:-

1. People outside Pakistan - Indian - Israelies - Anti Pakistan group

2. People in Pakistan - who made black money out of corruption and now it has stopped due to democracy.

BRN replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 05:54 PM PST 

why don't you guys invite Musharaf for Friday Prayers at LaL Masjid?

Observer replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 06:06 PM PST 

Thats right musharraf lovers are vested interested groups like military(or relatives of military personnel), mqm, lota/lutera Q group and those who just hate Pakistan in the name of enlightenment.

Waqar Latif replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 06:20 PM PST 

Limo,

u r right about.. but by this excuse u can't say he decision was the right one.. when i will come in comparing then ofcourse i will listen everyone, as Bhutto (who actually started this shit), zia (who toke aid for helping US, BB, NS, Musharaf, & not shitty Zardari... but they all are making bad decision and putting bad steps.. while joining hands with US rather then China, or other muslim countries...

@Army or Civilians

sorry to disappoint u, there is massive ammount of the people who analysis while giving favor to anyone.. & u can go through my above post.. Apart from, i am not pro-Musharaf, or Pro anyone.. but i know this Hadith (in a sense)... "When a nation start disobeying Allah's order then Allah put a leader on them, who do injustice to them".. So i think next will be the worst.. as..

NS was better then Musharaf, Musharaf was better then zardari, zia wa better then bb.. & so o on... now next will be the worst.. unless we change our attitude towards the religion.

oversea Pakistani replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 06:42 PM PST 

We all overseas Pakistanis are missing Mr Musharaf very badly. He did his best for Pakistan under the prevailing situation at that time. This will be realised by my brothers in Pakistan very soon. His ability has been acknowledged by our friends and foes world over and he still enjoys respect from them, and their intelectuals still want to listen to him by inviting him with a garuanted VIP protocal.He talks there, on their soil while looking into their eyes, nothing but about the interests of Pakistan.
On the other side , just wait for few more months and see our political parties/leaders entangled with each other on petty matters thereby you ppl will say for your self," MUSHARAF WAS BETTER AND BEST " Long Live Pakistan

Hamid,Toronto replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 09:54 PM PST 

Here is the list of bad and good deeds done by Musharaf

Good:
- Open Media
- Healthy and Liberal Economy policies
- Blunt in front of Media

Unforgivable Mistakes:
- Lal Masjid Episode
- Punga with Judiciary
- Destroy political system
- Privatization of Steel Mill
- Raid on Baloch Rebels

Moving forward, if we can build or maintain three institutions and control extremism then no one stop us going toward 21 century with great zeal and zest.
1) Media
2) Army
3) Political system
Media and Army are already two established institutions; all we need to do is maintain them. We are far behind in political system even Bangladesh is mush better than us. Military is not a solution here and they cannot take us toward 21 century.

Only logical response would be appreciated here

true replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:23 PM PST 

many people are confused when answering about musharraf. they talk about his bad deeds such as lal masjid, but then dnt understand the whole country was critizing him before operation happened that he is scared to fight the mullahs inside then when he does they start critizing again, its this mentality which runs in pakistan

he did bad deeds, but had not much option. he was best leader to come to pakistan and we are allready seeing how country is being destoryed by democracy.

mush was the best.

badar replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:43 AM PST 

Dear Oversease Pakistani,
Sorry to say but who said you are representative of oversease Pakistani's????

Azeem LA replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 01:16 AM PST 

badar bhai, Overseas Pakistani has very rightly conveyed feelings of we all Pakistanis abroad. You go to any country where Pakistanis are living , you would find same feeling about Musharaf sb.
Plz reconcile

badar replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 01:21 AM PST 

Dear Azeem LA,
I am living abroad and very well know the feelings of Pakistani's too.

Overseas Pakistani replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 01:47 AM PST 

I am overseas and wish Musharraf is hanged for overthrowing a government for which I had casted my vote.

true replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 02:40 AM PST 

musharraf shoudl be awarded the highest honor for throwing that goverment. and you should be ashamed of casting a vote for an enemy.

Pro Musharraf replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 04:17 AM PST 

We must accept that Musharraf is a blessed person, he has served the country his entire life. He survived many death attempts by all anti Pakistan parties.
He did a lot for instutions, every ministry and institution had a new look and style.
I remember during Musharraf's rule foreign ministry use to do press conference but today all interior and exterior matters are handled by Rehman Malik alone.
No politician can match Musharraf's cabinet.
Before we were a donor nation but today we are begger nation.
I live abroad and every day we receive travell security updates about Pakistan and when ever they see me they think I'm a terrorist!
Today, Afghanistan blamed Pakistan for terrorism and our President is quite on this! where as Musharraf is travelling around the world (on his own expense) to improve the image of Pakistan.

Waqar Latif replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:31 PM PST 

@true

1st of all, there was two groups, 1 was looking for negociation, & other was looking for army force.. but after operations he start criticize from both two groups.. 1st one who was looking for negotiation was criticizing Musharaf for this operation, and other was because this operation toke 6 months to happen, and only in that time when some other scenes were also going in the country, which means it made appears as operation to be a hiding ground for other issues. But both equally criticized for these things,

1. Negotiation was done between the army & that Mollah a night before, but what happen v next night (which no one able to explain), but most of heard some calls from US, which made army to step on this step?
2. There was around 5000 students + Administration, while only 1500 Students came out, what happen to other 3500 students & administration, since the casualties shown for only 134 persons.. which means army actually killed all others and also there was many news about sulpher thrown on the bodies.. and many bodies found in the sewerage system on Islamabad and surrounding areas..
3. What about 1000s of missing person? where are they, what happens to them..
4. Media were let in after a week into lal masjid & also The bunkers & armor shown in the media, where pointing about suspicion that the bunkers can't be create without the cement & other stuff required, how those people managed to made that in the heart of Islamabad, and also how those armor managed to read lal masjid, not only that, why those armors were just like new, like no one even touched it. & if they had that much armors, why they haven't made use of it.

& many more.. So what ever u think, that Lal masjid operation was a mistake, this is been saying from both parties.

Waqar Latif replied on Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:38 PM PST 

Democracy just sucks.. I don't know when we say Iqbal is a person who thought for pakistan, why don't we go on his ideas.. He did huge criticism on Democracy.. His one book was dedicate on this purpose.. yet we cry for democracy.. and even give "Shaheed" word to someone who got killed for democracy (so called), like we think Democracy is from our God.. SO do we think USA & UK are our Gods? (Nauzubillah)
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