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Plot For Sale. It is developed area. Exact location of the plot can be seen on ground, if desired.
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Two important quotations of Quaid Azam
"Do not forget that the armed forces are the servants of the people and you do not make national policy; it is we, the civilians, who decide these issues and it is your duty to carry out these tasks with which you are entrusted”. Quaid-e-Azam to Armed Forces"; Aug 14, 1947


"Our object should be peace within, and peace without. We want to live peacefully and maintain cordial friendly relations with our immediate neighbours and with the world at large".


Please evaluate the current day Pakistan in light of these two sayings of our Founder; that was Pakistan meant to be what it is today?

I mean endless Martial Law Regimes, followed by doctored democracy (legacy of the martial laws), 3 wars with neighbouring country, and the other two neighbours also not very happy with us.

Who is behind all of this?
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Sale of 1 Kanal plot in LDA 1 Avenue
Want to sell my plot as early as possible. the plot is free of all litigation as confirmed by LDA authorities.

khan replied on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 03:18 PM PST 

whats the number of plot and is it developed plot.

khalid replied on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 03:28 PM PST 

what is the offer of my
LDA Avenue plot no 582, ten marla corner.

Salman replied on Friday, August 13, 2010 12:51 PM PST 

It is developed area. Exact situation can be seen on ground. My plot number is 563
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Lately a lot of skepticism and pessimism has crept into our souls through this information/media explosion. TV channels are thriving on sensationalism and are putting excessively negative energies into our souls, which we are unaware of

What they present is Right or Wrong? I don't know -- and i am not an expert in that area either, but what i know is that a glass half full or half empty depends on how you look at it. I also feel that as a society we have ceased to be happy.

There were days, when we had limited means but we were happy; now we make more but are unhappy.

This depression is manifested in our social setup, everywhere.

Please comment if you feel the same way, in which i feel or even otherwise. Thank you

SMILE and BE HAPPY
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US plan for Pakistan - A must watch video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFVwH2ICIV4

Webster Tarplay talks about the true geopolitical goals of Americans.

US is threatened by China and for chinese economy to grow, it needs fuel/energy which iran can provide. Pakistan can act as a corridor for this energy provision to China...America wants to disintegrate our country

pakistani replied on Sunday, July 25, 2010 09:11 PM PST 

quote america is too weak
pakistan is too big .)

SSH replied on Monday, July 26, 2010 09:11 AM PST 

I am sorry to say such words but this is all bullsh**.
Pakistan is fragile but not to that extent.

Salman replied on Monday, July 26, 2010 11:20 AM PST 

Mr. SSH, Read the book "Confessions of an economic Hitman" - it is a bestseller thesse days. it talks about how americans play with different countries of the world... how they entangle them into debt trap and consequent bankruptcy, just to ensure their supremacy over the world.

Americans dont come to any country without having an objective in mind.

Even if there is 1% chance, i would still take this video very seriously. And thats how we should all look at it.

shafi replied on Monday, July 26, 2010 02:42 PM PST 

website pakalert .com
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Dear all brothers,

Can anybody please tell me what is the latest status of Jeff Heights and Boulevard Heights. I invested in both plaza in the LG shops but do not know what will happen in future and when will start the shops. Jeff Heights is almost complete but do not know why it is not being started while BH may take long time to complete.
Thanks for your updates on the above projects.
Regards

Raza replied on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 01:33 AM PST 

Dear,
When i was in
Pakistan during Dec-09, they were demolishing the illegal top floors. I also want to know the latest, becuase i am also paying Electricity bill for the shop :)
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Best Housing Scheme for Future Investment........?
Assalam u Alaikum !

I hope everybody is all right with the grace of Allah.
Can anyone please tell me which scheme is the best option to invest on long term basis like 15 to 20 years. Actually I am looking for your expert opinion that which scheme will be ready to live after 15 to 20 years so that I can invest in it now and it will return me after 15 to 20 years. Thanks in advance.
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Khan replied on Monday, June 14, 2010 12:10 PM PST 

Buy a file in DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 and sleep over it. This is safest and best long term investment.

Somewhere between next 7 to 15 years it will hit 1 Crore mark. Sell it when it hits 1 Crore and switch to another long term and safest investment.

PROGRESS replied on Monday, June 14, 2010 12:29 PM PST 

Thanks Khan,

:) :) :) :)

Muhammad Saad replied on Monday, June 14, 2010 12:29 PM PST 

What would be the worth of 1 crore at that time? Probably not much.

Anyways, I do agree that phase 9/10 is the best bet at the moment.

One more thing replied on Monday, June 14, 2010 01:00 PM PST 

Once you
buy swear to God that you will not sell it below 1 Crore and do not worry (repeat do not worry) about the short term market fluctuations. You can never make perfect decisions with perfect timing.

@ Muhammad Saad: In (say) 10 years 1 Crore will still have a lot more worth than 15 Lakh today even cosidering the food inflation.

Muhammad Saad replied on Monday, June 14, 2010 02:23 PM PST 

Lolz @ swear to god thing :)

Your comment is funny and I like it.

Yes, 1 crore should worth more than 15 lacs plus transfer fees of today but the way people are talking about currency depreciation and security situation it looks that property in phase 9/10 would not go up to 1 crore in 10 years and even if it do then inflation and currency depreciation would be too much. This is what people say however I still don't care about them.

I like phase 9/10 and already own one file and I would
buy another one or I would buy a plot in park view. Either one of two and I would not stop investing regardless of security situation or condition of country. Pakistan is my homeland and all my investment would go to Pakistan.

Pardesi, Jeddah replied on Monday, June 14, 2010 04:22 PM PST 

I appreciate your emotions; hope & pray for
Pakistan's prosperity.

Abdul replied on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 02:11 AM PST 

The motherland is under fire and it is we who have to put it off.

Keep an eye on people around you and form neighborhood watch societies. Take responsibility to watch 15 to 20 houses in either direction from your house and monitor their activities even if you know them.

Don't forget in fire it is the DOG who leave Ist and countrymen die.

May Allah guide us better. Aameen

Kashif Riaz replied on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 01:00 PM PST 

Dear Brothers,

Head Up for Saad, that the spirit we all want... dont always think about making money just give atleast a bit your country as well.

I m fully with Saad & Abdul, inflation is global phenomena and
Pakistan is not an exception
Even after earning and facing hardships for last 18 years aboard I still strongly believe that nothing compare to Motherland. even at least you can burn the tire to take out your frustration.

God bless us all & Pakistan will prosper.
Regards
Kashif

khan1 replied on Thursday, June 17, 2010 05:34 PM PST 

Pakistan zindabad!
We are proud of Pakistan and being Pakistani!

- what is the cost of phase 9/10 file and transfer fee?
- do they have allotted plot numbers?
- when have to pay development charges and how much?

amna replied on Monday, July 19, 2010 05:39 PM PST 

what about
paragon city? pl give me ur best opinion regarding investment
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Is Property Cheap or Expensive in Lahore?
On this forum, I have noticed many doomsday scenario painters who believe that property is expensive even today and therefore prices should fall further; and based on my little exposure to the outside world, I believe that property in Pakistan is cheap and affordable. Many of you will still disagree with me and I would like to listen from you but before that, let me put forward my arguments and share my experiences:

1) I visited Mumbai in 2004; Owning a small flat there was a luxury. Owning a house was simply out of question. Only Shahrukh Khan owned a 1 or 2 Kanal bunglow and he bought it for 42 crore Indian rupees at that time. Every bollywood star, even Tendulkar could only afford a luxury apartment. The quality of life in Mumbai is comparable to Lahore if not worse. A 2-3 bedroom apartment in C-class areas would cost at least 2 crore Indian Rupees. Owning a Banglow is just unthinkable.

2) In US, I know some friends who have to pay around 5000 US Dollars per month in mortgage and that too for a small house which they will own after 25 years. It costs them nearly half of their salary (both members earning). In Western Europe, a small 1/2 bed room starts at 500,000 Euro (PKR 6 crore). I know some of you will disagree with a comparison to the developed world and thats why i gave example of Mumbai. And in West, even with higher salaries, people find it extremely difficult to own a shelter for themselves.

Here in Pakistan we discuss 500 sq yard plots and in the most posh localities with all infrastructure which are a luxury for the west.

DHA phase 9/10 (500 sq yards) costs 15000 Euros (which is equivalent of 5 months rent you would pay for a small apartment in Europe)

DHA 7 plot (500 sq yards) for 1.8 million Indian Rupees. Trust me you can't even get a toilet for that amount in Mumbai

I am strongly against speculative buying as it is haram and it fosters greed. But I do believe that we should see the brighter side of our existence and thank Allah that quality living is still affordable in Pakistan.

Please comment...

Ahsan replied on Monday, May 10, 2010 07:33 PM PST 

While Comparing it with India rememer the following.
1.15 Billion population, with middle class almost 350million (twice the population of
pakistan). 1.15billion people have three main cities where they want to live Bombay, Calcutta & Dehli. For pakistan's small population we also have three cities Karachi, lahore, Islamabad. This mismatch is drivig the price so high. Regarding europe/US comparison, there toilet clenar earn more than our average White coller person. If you have to compare then compare what percentage of salary goes to rent then compare it with pakistan situation. Such comparisons are done on the total income to disposable income. you cannot compare apples with oranges.

Khawar replied on Monday, May 10, 2010 08:35 PM PST 

> Regarding europe/US comparison, there toilet clenar earn more than our average White coller person (...in
Pakistan)

Dear brother Ahsan, AOA. I hate to wake you up but most people living in Pakistan's posh areas like Defence are earning MUCH MUCH more than average White coller person in the west. Just go to Pakistan and count the BMWs and Land Cruisers on Defence Main Boulevard, and then ask yourself how many average White collar persons in the west can afford such luxurious life with 4+ average cars per house and 5+ average servants per house. Everyone enjoying latest models of mobiles and other luxuris. I get inferiority complex looking at the luxury my relatives can enjoy in Pakistan. Even some beggars and small shop keepers in Pakistan make more money than average Pakistanis working very hard abroad.

Pakistan is a huge country with huge population. Posh areas are for most elite class which is financially self sufficient. They are minority around 2 to 5 percent of the population but mind you 5 percent of the population is 9 million people. That is 90 Lakhs. And the total posh areas built are way less in proportion to support this population of 90 Lakhs.

In short there are at least 9 million people in Pakistan who can afford and enjoy much better life than your average White coller person in the west who along with his spouse has to work very hard to make ends meet, pay the mortgage, send kids to good schools and to make any savings have to limit any luxuries they come across. I hope you will no longer wonder how so many people in Pakistan can afford such high property prices. In fact these properties in posh areas are still very very cheap for 90 Lakh or 5% richest people of Pakistan.

Regards,

Khawar replied on Monday, May 10, 2010 08:49 PM PST 

And don't you worry about the upper middle class, middle class, lower middle and even poor class. Each class can
buy property in their budget. On my recent visit to my parents in Pakistan. Their servant bought a 10 marla residential plot in a small town near his village around Sahiwal for just 30 thousand rupees (may parents paid 50% as advance). If you can afford more you can buy more expensive property. For 5% (90 Lakh) rich people their is still shortage of great real estate that they can very easily afford.

tzk replied on Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM PST 

by the way garbage collectors here make close to doctors. Their income is in 6 figures

Ahsan replied on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:04 AM PST 

Why you think that whole
pakistan lives in Deffence? Mostly people living in posh areas are business men not white coller. Regarding white coller earning more in pakistan u may be right. But like most pakistani europeans are are not show off type people niether they get jealous from seeing posh cars. Their system is such that they provide lots of benefits and in return they pay taxes. Even in Europe average earning people live in suburbs not in main cities to USD 5000 rent.

Jameel replied on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:44 AM PST 

I also think the property in
Pakistan is cheaper at this time, In last 5 ys almost every ting has doubled but property is about same price in Down town and 50% cheaper in out skirts. This is human nature when its investment is not growing in months and at max year scale he becomes gloomy.

Khawar replied on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:38 AM PST 

> Why you think that whole
pakistan lives in Deffence?

Please learn to read and then read my post again. I never said or implied that whole Paksitan lives in Defence. Answer the logic by logic, not by putting your words in others mouth. My point is very logical that top 5% populatin of Pakistan is very well off and that is not a small number.

5% of Pakistans population is 90 Lakhs. For that huge number the posh areas like Defence are still small. Even upper middle class and middle class which is another 300 to 400 lakhs can afford housing in decent areas like Bahria Town. And the lower middle class and poor can also afford housing in small towns and villages around big cities. Only problem is if you are poor and want to live inside of big cities. Even then you can easily rent in your budget at minimal rent. Rent is cheap because most people in Pakistan like to own and do not like to rent. They think renting as insult and only do it temporarily until they can make their own home.

Pakistan is a very worthy and resource rich country. If a few problems are solved there it is paradise on earth and only place on earth that Paksitanis can truly call Home.

Apples v Oranges replied on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:34 PM PST 

Dear Salman,

It is useful to compare like with like. As far as Mumbai is concerned it is the financial hubb of india. It makes more movies than the Hollywood. Its stock exchange is quoted in the Bloomberg. Phase 7 is in the development phase which means roads are being constructed on the agricultural fields. There are areas still occupied not just in phase 7 but also in phase 6.

As far as phase 9/10 is concerned a direct comparison would be not with the
rent of downtown Madrid or London but with a comparaple field (which phase 9/10 is at this stage) in the remote areas of European countries. You can get agricultural land in uk for £2000 per acre. Agricultural acre in UK is 4840 sq yards which is more than 8 kanals.

Any sensible comparison should compare like with like and not apples with oranges!

KG

kali cult replied on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:32 AM PST 

This is why we made
Pakistan.
India sucks. Have look at the quality of life of one of top Indinas who could actually afford being living in Bombay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlMFUUHjAtM

PhD replied on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 07:37 AM PST 

@ KG or Apples v Oranges

By your own notion it is stupid to compare on ground developed plots only 5 to 10 minutes away from the heart of
Lahore Cantt and Mall road with remote agricultural lands of Europe that will remain agricultural lands for next hundred years. (Post edited by Moderator. Please mind your language.)

Sarmad replied on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:36 PM PST 

I agree that property is cheap in
Lahore considering the buying power of elite class and upper middle class and also cosidering huge population, population growth rate and influx of people from smaller cities towards Lahore (and for that matter other big cities too). For example Lahore is a metorpolis with population of approximately 8 million people. In one or two decades it will be well over one crore.

I remember in early 2000s the area of Wapda Town Lahore and DHA Lahore phase 4 were deserted areas and now both are densly populated (look in Google earth, enen old images will show you number of houses). I also think that any average level businessman or tajir can easily afford to buy a 10 marla or one kanal house in any decent areas. In fact many people I know have more than one houses. And that not on 25 years mortgage they buy it on lump sum payments which shows that property is still cheap and quite in the reach for most people. I believe very few people in west can afford to own multiple houses with lump sum down payments. Most people who own their house have just one small house or condo on 25 or 30 years mortgage.

ammadY replied on Monday, July 12, 2010 02:58 PM PST 

wellll...
you people are only espying the elite one's and the established personnels.
did someone noticed about the LEFT 95%.
they would still not get able to
buy a house in lahore in any way to live area not the posh one for many years.i am not including the rural rype suburbs of lahore but still the places for instance,where in tajpura cannt, a few years back,a number of children were drowned in a rain pool-plot just the sole rate for the 5 marla plot is 2million.i dont compare it from nowhere,but if you want to buy something cheaper you would have to go beyond jallo where there is no secuirity,facility and you would travel for the half of your life to reach your business spot or your office,do refer me someone who affords to pay 30000 monthly rent when the salary secured would be around 20000 which a white color men hardly makes to earn.
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5-10 Year investment
AA,
First of all, Thanks to CMY for his efforts. Especially an excellant resource for overseas Pakistanis. I came across this website by chance and I am very impressed.

Any idea when the balloting and development of DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 is expected. Is this the right investment for someone overseas looking at 5-10 year plan?

Or any other suggestions.

Regards

Salman

Allah rakha replied on Sunday, March 21, 2010 01:05 AM PST 

yes it will be great
investment for 5 to 10 years.cmy told may be balloting of phase 9,10 after two years and after 5 years it will be liviable place.second option in my view is dhai phase2 ext.in this money u can buy 2 files there and it is also 5 to 10 years investment.rest my ALLAH knows better

Muhammad Saad replied on Sunday, March 21, 2010 02:01 AM PST 

I also have this question. I already own a file in Phase 9/10 which I bought for 21.25 lacs and now current
prices are 14.15 or somewhere around it.

My question is that is it wise to buy another file in DHA Phase 9/10? The thing which worry me more about phase 9/10 is that it is so big which means that there would be so many plots available once developed and prices would not go up as much. This is just my opinion and I am not an expert in property business.

These days the real estate market is too risk and even the future is not looking bright. The experts however can tell you better.

Allah rakha replied on Sunday, March 21, 2010 02:45 AM PST 

i think saad sahib if u have money u should
buy one more file at less rate it will compensate ur lose.in dubai people have lot of lose in stock markete.people bought high rates share of markete for example emaar properties many people bought one share in 30 dirham now emaar shares have come at 1.50 dirham i mean in one and half dirhams in this way they have lot of lose where 30 dirhams and where one and half dirhams now same people buy emaar properties share in 1.50 dirhams in this way they r compensating their lose and shares r going up.many peoples r doing daily business as share come little down people buy and as share goes little up people immediatly sales the shares.in this way they r earning handsome money daily.did u understand what i want to say.now a day realestate markete is not risky only in pakistan but all over the world.property is long term investment minimum 5 to 10 years.ur native house which ur father had made what is the price now of that house and what were the price at that time before 15,20 years ago so buy now if u have money for investment and be patient

Salman replied on Sunday, March 21, 2010 08:30 PM PST 

Thanks Mr Allah Rakha for your reply.

Many people in this forum have shown concerns about DHAI
phase 2 ext.
How real are these concerns? is it a risky investment?

Also I have noticed certificate files for sale for phase 2 ext? What does certificate file mean? and what other charges do you usually have to pay on top of these files?

Thanks for the help.

Muhammad Saad replied on Monday, March 22, 2010 02:02 AM PST 

Thanks Allah Rakha for your reply. I really appreciate it.

Yes, I got your point and I agree with you. Currently the property
prices are a bit down and it is a buying market at the moment. However I am having doubt because the big area of Phase 9/10 which almost as big as 8 phases in total.

Another problem with DHA is the increase transfer fee of almost 3 lac (including membership and all) which makes the current file 17.15 lacs for the buyer.

Anyways, phase 9/10 is still an option in my mind and this is why I did not invest in Phase 8. These days I am also interested in a plot which has good location for making house in couple of years time. However that I have to do later i.e. somewhere in July.

I would really appreciate if CMY can also comment on this. I would also try to call him.

Muhammad Saad replied on Monday, March 22, 2010 02:24 AM PST 

I am holding my decision at the moment because I want to see that what would happen after the
balloting result of Phase 8. Trying to learn from experience :-)

I have just started to take interest into such investment opportunities before I was sleeping. So I want to learn from experience.

Muhammad Saad replied on Monday, March 22, 2010 11:34 AM PST 

I forgot to mention about your example of my father making a house and it's
current price. Yes, you are right that the current price is way higher than what he spent at that time but this is not only because of increase in property prices in that area but it has to do with the inflation. The inflation has to do with dollar conversion rate as well. When he made the house the dollar was 12~13 rupees whereas at the moment the dollar is more than 85 ruppees. This has also contributed alot.

If I consider this inflation and dollar conversion factor then the increase in property prices becomes way less significant as it is looking now.

Allah rakha replied on Monday, March 22, 2010 12:08 PM PST 

dont compare that time and this time because when ur father make house then doller was 12,13 rupees and now doller is more than 85 but u think when doller was 12,13 ur father,s income were maximum 3,4 thousand and now when doller is 85 ur income is in lacs and when ur children will use ur house then doller will be more then 120 rupees(after 10 years)and ur children,s income will be according to that time.when my father made his house before 35 years his salary was i think 1000 or may be little more and my mothers was school teacher and she was taking 500 rupees he bought his house land(10 marlas)in 3000 rupees(it is a small town near
faisalabad)and now same land one marla is in 2 to 3 lacs rupees my income is also good and my wife is taking one lacs rupees salary.so if inflation increase incomes also increase.in 4,5 years before when property prices suddenly increased i noticed that the income of people also suddenly increased and there was lot of business activity in pakistan.

Muhammad Saad replied on Monday, March 22, 2010 11:48 PM PST 

You are making good point but there is another problem which was not there when my father made the house. I was not able to convery my point earlier which I was trying to make.

The point I was trying to make is very obvious from the example you quoted.

Your mom was earning 500 per month and she bought a plot for 3000 which means that if she save here salary 100% each month then she can
buy plot in 6 months. Mind you that the salary of a teacher (500) was below average at that time and still she can afford a plot.

Now take you wife salary as example which is 1 lac per month. This is above average salary and still it would take her 30 months to buy a plot.

So inflation has raises much more than the salaries. It is not that property has risen more rather it is the inflation which has raises more and salaries are not compensated according. It has become difficult for average people to buy plot or build home. If a person who has a good salary of 1 Lac (majority done have this salary) even he would take 30 months to buy a plot even if he saves every single paisa he receive. In Pakistan people are under paid.

I hope that my point is clear to you now.
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calculating the Odds of winning a plot in DHA 8
After closely looking at the "hi-res" map of DHA 8, I have noticed the following facts:

S - Block 1072 plots
T - Block 1885 plots
U - Block 827 plots
V - Block 1541 plots
W - Block 870 plots
X - Block 1270 plots
Y - Block 720 plots (5 & 10 marla)

In total there are 7465 plots of 1kanal & 2kanal ONLY. The question that we need to ask is that how many files were already issued by DHA 8 as every file holder will get a plot anyways. (somebody mentioned this number to be 5000. Can anyone please verify this?).

But if this number is true than the remaining 2,465 plots is what everyone is competing for, which seems a very very low chance.

khan replied on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 07:42 PM PST 

That's pretty hard work. CMY should add his input. How many files for DHA8 regular and
Park view for 1-Kanal and 10 marlas in the market.

guest replied on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 08:06 PM PST 

it appears that DHA has yet to
buy lands in DHA phase 8 area. it also suggests that there will be additions in the map as well. Moreover, it is very clear that there will be no merger of any more society in DHA.
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I am looking to purchase 2 - 3 acre land (45 min to 1 hour) drive from Lahore. The land will be used for setting up a commercial farm (not for a luxury residence), henceforth it better be an economically viable piece of land. Even barren land would be suitable. Electricity and water supply however are a must. Please let me know if you are a landowner or a dealer who specializes in Raqba jaats.

tzk replied on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 07:10 PM PST 

I am looking for same thing. It will be used either for poultry or agriculture.

Any ideas what is the cheapest price i can get

Javed replied on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 07:24 PM PST 

leave your contact information

A.BUTT Doha replied on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 07:51 PM PST 

Mr Sulman & tzk,

Please Write your contact number on( majeed_ajk@hotmail.com) I will try to give you some information regarding land and may be we will visit togather that area as iam planning to visit
lahore in 1st week of March.I have already given thisk task to one of my friend.
Best Regards,
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It might look repetitive but I think it is the most important question concerning investors in property today.

Why Parkview DHA 8 file prices are almost a million Rupee lower than DHA 8 proper?

What are the risks involved if one buys Park view files versus DHA 8 proper files? Is the risk only confined to having a plot across barki road or is it more significant (ie not having a plot altogether)

Is this price difference due to Land Mafia or is it REAL?

Please comment, and if you have any credible source to back up your argument it will be of great contribution to people who have either invested or are ready to invest their hard earned money. Thank you

Khan replied on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 07:03 PM PST 

Possibility of across barki road is the only is the only factor.

DHA has never defaulted on any project, so not having a plot altogether is out of equation.

Also note that when you
buy a parkview file. The allotment letter states DHA phase-8. It does not say DHA-8 proper or Parkview Phase-8 etc.
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DHA Lahore files for investment
At current market prices I'd like to know if files of dha 9/10 are a better investment or files of ph 8 or 5 ext? Thanks.

friend replied on Saturday, December 19, 2009 01:29 AM PST 

dha8 proper n dha 8
park view n dha5 M block is the best investment .
huge gain in near future is epected
whereas dha 9/10 will reward in 10 yrs time n think of the value of rupee then?

Salman replied on Saturday, December 19, 2009 09:40 AM PST 

Testing. I cannot post a reply.

Analyst replied on Saturday, December 19, 2009 03:04 PM PST 

It depends on your budget actually. As it follows the simple rule the more you invest more is the probability of higher returns but higher the risk. Same will follow for DHA 9/10 but they are currently available at their lowest and offers minimum risk considering the other available options. I guess everything is in lineup with PHASE8
balloting.Only files trading in DHA are of Phase 9/10 and after balloting of DHA phase8 when DHA will ask for development charges then people are expected to shift their investments towards this under valued DHA9/10 option which at the current price is set to offer lucrative returns.But also depending on stable socio-political and economic condition of the country.Its just my opinion well i guess one need to carefully evaluate his own situation and goals before taking such investment decisions!.

salman replied on Saturday, December 19, 2009 04:01 PM PST 

Analyst you make some good and valid points. I am trying to figure out where to put my money for say a 1-5 year horizon and a 5-10 year horizon. At some point I would like to construct a house probably in ph6 which seems to be the best phase in DHA. Any ideas when ph8
balloting will take place? Also how much are DHA's development charges usually? Thanks.

Visitor replied on Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:16 AM PST 

Testin facing difficulty in posting reply
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Dear all,

I would like to inform you that one of my friend has purchased a plot of 8 M Com. in main Boulvd. of Lake City in 96 Lacs, direct from Society, near to Mosque to make a plaza. He is also asking me to purchase to make both plazas at once.
I have not yet decided and needs advice from other people to know if it is worth to spend this amount, e.g. 1 Crore for plot and alomost 1 Crore for const. What will be return after that? I told my friend that it is expensive but he said the whole society is expensive and price will be more in future as they are giving possession.
Your valuable suggestion will be appreciated.
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@Li replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST 

It is a very big project but only the Land. no symptoms of life not even one house in which there is sign of life, might b i am wrong. But in this situation what you will do with plaza? Plaza can be successful when 80 to 90 % home in the society.

Bhai replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 01:23 PM PST 

bro is frnd out of his mind or what :) buyin 8 marla in
lake city and most of all for aik Khoka. bro it is a deserted society and his plaza will be scusseful in about 20 years. for doo khoka one can buy a ready built plaza in DHA 4 marla with a rent yeilding prospect of 1-1.5 pati.

Jameel replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 01:28 PM PST 

You may
Buy a plot but to make Plaza is not good options. If I would be in You place I would have looked for commercial in Valancia or DHA or Bahria.
Lake city will take too much time to mature

Azad K replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 02:28 PM PST 

Price is fine for a good society and a 8 marla plot. However it would be pointless building it until there are a lot of people living there and a few plazas have already gone up. But then if money is not a problem then why delay.

Salman replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 02:38 PM PST 

Thanks for your suggestion. I will consider now B.Town-C,
Valencia, or DHA-6. What is best of these three if to make plaza after 1 year. What are the rates in BT-C, Valencia and Ph-6.
Regards

Bhai replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 03:18 PM PST 

bro when
lake city plots were booked at 40 lac and in the market they were selling for 25 because there was no buyer for them. Same will happen to the commercials of Lake city. BT-C 8m commercial was also booked at 32-40 and then went down to 25 because there was no future and no buyer but now it has gone up to 50-55 because there is a little construction going on in Sector C residential plots.

Bhai replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 03:24 PM PST 

Valencia 8m is 100-180 lac
dha 6 8m is 80-150 lac but no future for 3-5 years.

overseas wisher replied on Thursday, December 3, 2009 07:02 PM PST 

Buy a shop in liberty market where you can get much more higher rent.
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Self fulfilling Prophecy (A unique Paradigm)
Everyone in our country believes that everyone else is a Thief. Army believes politicians are theives, politicians believe that army personnel are theives. Public believes that we are surrounded by thieves.

Whereas the reality is that NOT EVERYONE is a thief,
but because everyone feels that everyone else is or was a thief, he tries to steal as much as he can, when in power so that he does not miss his once in lifetime kind of opportunity.

As a consequence it becomes a Self Fulfilling Prophecy.

Please comment...

malik replied on Saturday, November 21, 2009 06:01 PM PST 

your observation is interesting, however, one should try to keep his own house in order without bothering much about others. Moreoevr, two wrongs cant make one right

usman replied on Saturday, November 21, 2009 08:38 PM PST 

Dear Salman it is no prophecy but a sure recipe for a future theft.regards

Azad K replied on Sunday, November 22, 2009 07:31 PM PST 

I think there are two problems in the psychic of Pakistani public generally. One is the collection depression. We always tend to be negative and love being negative instead of being positive and focusing on the positives of our country. Second is that we are impatient, we want everything like yesterday and are not prepared to work long and hard to achieve things.

Wellsaid replied on Sunday, November 22, 2009 07:50 PM PST 

Well said Azad K.
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usman replied on Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 PM PST 

Dear Salman saab
I have land near Multan
regards

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salman replied on Sunday, November 1, 2009 08:13 PM PST 

Assalam Alaykum Mr. Usman

i have sent you an email at your email address.
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Resident OF Baharia Town kiddnapped by Robbers
A resident of Baharia town, Mr. Imran faced a kidnapping and dacoit on Monday evening.
He is electrical engineer and was on his way back to Baharia town through Canal Road.
When he reached near the jubilee town five car riders stopped him, two went in his car and pointed pistol on his head.

They robbers took him Pattoki where they snatched his car, mobile money and every little valuables, put him in another car and though him near Kala Saha kaku. Chung Police registered the case.
He is my relative and our whole family is depressed. I think living in remote area housing societies Is Dangerous.

Reader replied on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 03:33 PM PST 

Quite Depressing if it is really like that. I think
lahore Police Should be on that road all the night and there must be good lightening system and should be monitor as motor way. So many people have brought plots that side and it can be alarming situation for those.

Azad K replied on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 03:41 PM PST 

Crimes happen everywhere. They happen to residents of all societies...
Johar Town, DHA, Gulberg, Model Town, Dharampura and I could go on. This actually happened in Jubilee Town you say. Why did you not write "Man kidnapped in Jubilee Town"? Its seem to me that you are trying to tarnish Bahria's name, and discourage people from buying and building plots there. I think that Bahria must be doing something right if people are fearful of it.

salman replied on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 04:20 PM PST 

I owe a plot in Baharia Town and I am afraid to build a home there.
@ Azad K pplz like you always think from your pocket, You do not have any conceren with the trgedy of any other human.

If I am sharing a tragedy with my family you are thinking that I saying something against your investments.
Sir I have nothing to do with your business.............
it is very simple to understand that Imran Is resident of Baharia town that is why he has to traval through a road which is not safe like other croweded area of city.

MKS replied on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 05:07 PM PST 

Such crime is not possible without the complicity of police.
It appears very organised crime to me, same like attack on Srilankan team. identification key of such cases is Police would be always missing contrary to their routine.
Next, sign is police would be reluctant to register case.
I'm sure in this so called robbery, robbers have spent more on petrol and food than what they earned from your relative.
It sounds to me a warning call of political nature.
Please, check if your relative was not a supporter of P.Musharraf.

It also happened to me, murder attept has been made on my brother about 1.5 years ago because I was very strong supporter of P.Musharraf.

In
Pakistan targeting killings have started as before, supporters of P.Musharraf, key persons like engineers, doctors, scientists specially in Punjab, Islamabad are at risk.
Perpetrators are very organised, they listen your phone conversations, they track you from your mobile position and choose a moment that give the look of robbery.

Pakistan ka Khudahafiz.

Azad K replied on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 06:21 PM PST 

Haha I don't have any
investment in Bahria Lahore. There is tragedy all around us wherever we live, you only need to read the local papers, but be rational about it.Tragedy is a part of life and I accept it. It seems that you are the one that has a vested interest. I don't.

Mush ka Bush hafiz replied on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 08:07 PM PST 

Defence Road and Canal Road are indeed unsafe to travel to
Bahria Town. One should use Multan Road which has more traffic all the time and considerably safer to travel due to road divider barrier. It does have some heavy traffic though.

MKS replied on Thursday, July 30, 2009 02:20 PM PST 

^^ Do you know... NRO benificiaries ???

On both sides of defence road are police check posts becuase of Sharif house! One cannot escape the police control even 12:00 at night.
Canal road is also very safe becuase it has regular police patrol and naka in the middle and have no easy escape for a convoy of cars, it is not possible to reach Pattoki without entering Raiwind or Multan road.

Bahria security is best in whole
Pakistan, they have hired mostly retired army soldiers and officers.
Plaease, visit Bahria town first and than compare it with rest of Pakistan.

Ahmed replied on Thursday, July 30, 2009 04:10 PM PST 

I agree with MKS bahria security is best...........
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BRN replied on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 08:16 AM PST 

my offer 5 lacs/ACRE....whats your offer?
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sorry printed as for sale,
it is "For
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Interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xMPCGOg6g4

Aftab replied on Monday, April 27, 2009 02:33 AM PST 

cannot gwet access to video on youtube.

Salman replied on Monday, April 27, 2009 04:36 AM PST 

Hi Aftab,
Search youtube with "Dogar's daughter case", you will get a number of videos related to this topic
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- replied on Sunday, April 26, 2009 06:47 PM PST 

Fake analysis ,, does'nt make sense.
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G6- Islamabad- 4 Kanal House for Sale.
I am selling my bungalow located in G6, Islamabad.

It is spread over 4 Kanals.

If interested, drop your contact details here and my secretary will give you a call.

The price is around 14 crore Rs.

Salman

Observer replied on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 03:31 PM PST 

I instructed my secretary to drop you a call. Just wait for that. Can I pay in diamonds?

Sorry to be cheeky but I coudln't resist this one.

REAL MAN replied on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 06:43 PM PST 

i also instructed my secretary to find out 04 kanals in G6.My dear here bigger size of plot is 80x240=19200=2133.33 syds which is not equal to 04 kanals.here in islamabad posh sectors land is measured and sold in syds rather than kanals.so i must say not only your presentation is pathetic but also your info.

BILL GATES replied on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 07:40 PM PST 

HI,

I AM LOOKING FOR A TWO ACRE BUNGLOW IN G6 ISLAMABAD.

PLEASE POST A MAIL TO MY SECRETARY. DO'NOT DARE TRY TO DIRECTLY CONTACT ME.

ONLY POSH LOCATION IS WARRANTED, PREFERABLY PLOT SHOULD BE LOCATED NEAR THE MOUNTAINS.

PRICE IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE.

Warren Buffet replied on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 07:55 PM PST 

I am looking for One Kanal plot in in tribal area (FATA) at priced NOT more than 50 crore Rs.

Question ? replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:44 AM PST 

Previously, our Army used to hang around with eastern border so DHA is towards the extreme Eastern side of the country. Now our Army is busy in the western side since long and expectedly would remain so in future as well. Therefore, our Army should consider to develop DHA in FATA.The volatile situation in FATA will make the
prices of plots/files go up and down abruptly, hence would make a fantastic investor friendly environment. I may not be able to go there but I would send my secretary to make the deals.

BILL GATES replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:57 AM PST 

Do you know the spade work for DHA in FATA was done by Condolezza Rice the former Secretary of State and currently hired by me on consideration that she has enough knowledge of local norms and traditions. She can also guide our ARMY to set up a DHA ZONE in FATA, FANA and KANA. All very attractive, mouth watering areas !!!

So now onwards my Secretary will deal with all other 's Secretaries and handle the retired army officers cum
property dealers also.

Ten times rise in the return to the investment in the files in DHA ZONE FATA; FANA AND KANA guaranteed. Hurry up.
BY the way where is CHACHA ?

Ghareeb replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 07:25 AM PST 

Saith Salman,

Apni sectary nou kay dena see kay istihar likh dendey? Tusi kuion zahamt kete?

CONTACT PERSON replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:30 AM PST 

all there ! for any any any any details i would like to be contacted by your SECRETARIES.......... if they are young females only.

msalmany replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 02:57 PM PST 

Dear Mr. Salman's secretary,

I am interested in your 4 kanal house, however 14 crore pakistani rupees is out of my budget. How about I pay you 140crore Zimbabwe Dollars?

I hope the above amount is agreeable. If you are interested, please give my secretary's secretary a call. She will inform her secretary who will let the secretary of the 1st secretary know. In that case all secretaries will know the details and they can deal with your secretary.

Have I made myself clear? Lemme know if further clarification is needed. I will send for my secretary to clarify for you.

LOL@ diamonds!!!! hahahaha history!!
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Dear viwers and mr. cmy

I was reading on the dha website (www.dhalahore.org) that some new blocks in DHA 6 have been released for construction, (i think it was block G and K, not 100% sure) anyway, it said that the owners of the plots are REQUIRED to build a house in 3 years?? I have never heard that before!

Is it the same case for DHA 6 B? I own a plot there and do not plan on building a house for atleast 3-4 years...

It also mentioned there will be a fine for not adhering to this... how much is the fine?

- thanks.

Usman replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:52 AM PST 

It is true that one has to build the house within 3 years from the date posession is avaibale or you pay fine which I believe is assesed per yard bases?. DHA had announced this last year.
There were different timeline for different phases. I beleive from
DHA phase 1-3, all vacant plots must have construction started within one years (from date when when DHA announced this rule) or there is hefty fine.

Not only DHA, Bahria Town also imposed non-construction charges if construction is not started within specified time, I believe for sector-C 3 years or pay fine of 1.5 lakh for one Kanal? Not sure about the amount of fine....

Jamshaid replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 07:02 AM PST 

BT has only imposed this fine in
Sector B only, and that was 5 years after possession was announced in Sector B, but DHA has imposed this fine at the same time as possession. Sector C's 2 blocks have had possession for 1 year now but no fines as such yet.
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Nawaz Sharif hails from a family that traces its roots to Shopian in the Kashmir valley. His father, Muhammad Sharif, migrated in 1947 (during the troubled Partition) to Pakistan from Amritsar, India. After independence Muhammad Sharif established a small tin shop on a bicycle which gradually turned into what was later known as Ittefaq Group. Nawaz was a part time cricketer during his early life, and played a first class game in the 1973-74 season representing Pakistan Railways.

He married Kulsoom Nawaz, who is the grandniece of the famous Kashmiri wrestler - The Great Gama.

Nawaz Sharif was educated at Saint Anthony’s High School and Government College (Lahore), and received a law degree from Punjab University. Following his education, he entered Punjab provincial politics, joining the Punjab advisory district council.

He initially joined politics in the late 1970s when he became a member of Asghar Khan's tehrik-e-istiqlal. He was then chosen by General Zia ul Haq, one of his admirers, as a finance Minister.[5]

He became finance minister of Punjab in 1981 and also served as minister of sports. He was credited with increasing funding for sports activities and rural projects.

The Ittefaq Group saw its unprecedented rise during the time of Gen. Zia ul Haq, who promoted Nawaz Sharif to enter politics and be his right hand man in the important province of Punjab. This not only created a name for Sharif, but he was successful in etablishing the Ittefaq Group at the EXPENSE OF THE GOVT OF PAKISTAN.

Chief Minister of Punjab
Nawaz Sharif began his first term as Chief Minister of Punjab province on April 9, 1985 under the Martial Law Regime of General Zia-ul-Haq, who was his political mentor. On May 31, 1988 he was appointed caretaker Chief Minister after the dismissal of assemblies by Zia.

After 1988 I hope everybody knows well enough about his role played as it is not so old.

alpha beta replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 04:08 PM PST 

Then so what? bygone is by gone. Talk about present and don't run tears on past. Presently his case seem genuine and be-fitting.

Habib replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 04:14 PM PST 

Nice information highly inspired by it, so it means Nawaz Sherif is Obama of Punjab, and Mr Sherif was Bill gates of Punjab.

A . Khan replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 04:41 PM PST 

Nobody talks about Nawaz Sharif`s deviousness since the last general elections . He himself admitted right now that if Iftikhar Chaudhry came back then NRO is threatened and President Zardari is in trouble . So all along he was the one who tried to mislead Zardari , and not only that he mislead the entire nation .
I am not a great fan of Zardari either but this time around it was in fact Nawaz Sharif who was playing the dirty game . I think it is about time that people should come out of partisan politics and should show courage to see through these pseudo leaders ill intentions. After all it is our
Pakistan and these pseudo leaders will go and live abroad where their assets are once the game is over .

Salman replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 04:48 PM PST 

Habib, I don't think that Obama or Bill gates established their groups at the EXPENSES OF GOVT OF USA :)

Amjad replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 05:01 PM PST 

Please dont compare Obama or Bllgate with Nawaz Sharif who have no brain. Due to his stupid politics PPP is ruling all over the country and he is responsible for all of these problems. This time army is also not behind him because of trouble in Fata and Swat. BTW, Nawaz is also not nationalist, presently he has sold out his steel mill in Saudi Arabia, ask him
where is this amount who is in billions and why he doest not want to invest it in Pakistan if he so loves to Pakistan.

overseas wisher replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 05:23 PM PST 

one thing for sure that Nawaz Sharif can't come back because America don't like him...period.

Reality replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 05:36 PM PST 

Overseas wisher you have said the crux of the whole matter.....yes he cant come back unless he pledges that he would do exactly what 'they' tell him to do....be it killing his own people....but then Nawaz is not made of such stuff....No matter what you say, he is better than many politicians and atleast far better than the man running the current show.

ak replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 06:09 PM PST 

don't u guys have something better to do.

ak replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 06:14 PM PST 

Guess what !!! who is going to be punjab's new CM......

SURPRISE !!!! that is MONIS ELAHI, till his father elects as MPA.

Abu SALMAN replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 06:40 PM PST 

1. Presidential Ordinance no. 150025. October 06, 2008
I, NRO President Asif Ali Zardari (Bhutto), hereby proclaim the following measures to come into force with immediate effect:
1. Continuing with the spirit of the naming of Islamabad airport to Shaheed Motarma Benazir Bhutto airport, the “murree road” to BB Shaheed road and the
Rawalpindi General hospital to BB Hospital, I hereby order the following Islamabad landmarks to be named as follows from here on-
A. SHAKARPARIAN would now be called “BhuttoPARIAN”;
B. RAWAL dam is named BBWal dam;
C. PEER SOHAWA shall now be referred to as “PEER BHUTTOWA”;
D. The Historic APPARA Market must now be referred to “BHUTTOPAARA Market”;
E. The soon to be reconstructed Marriott hotel hereafter shall be named”BHUTTORIOTT”; and
F. The SHAHEED Margalla towers would now be honored with the nameplate of “Bhutto towers”.
2. A once in a lifetime opportunity is provided to all murderers, thugs and looters to have their records clean wiped by undertaking any of the following acts:
A. Adding the Bhutto suffix to their names;
B. Widely disseminating the recently devised “Bhutto doctrine”; and
C. Plastering 30 feet high Bhutto/Zardari posters in every nook and corner of the country.
A select few from no. 2 above would be hand picked to head key portfolios in the country. However, special patronage prizes would be awarded to all.
Signed here on the 6th day of October, 2008.
Asif Ali Zardari
President, Islamic Republic of Pakistan
By Zardari 10% on Dec 7, 2008

Abu SALMAN replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 06:54 PM PST 

A religious scholar went to Zardari's place and Said, " Please do not tease the people otherwise the wrath of God will come (Urdu: Makhlooq ko mat tang karo warna Azabe-e-Illahi aaye ga)".


Zardari responded, "Dear respected, it was Musharraf who was teasing the people, humbly, I AM the Wrath of God (Urdu: Tang to Musharraf kar raha tha, Main tu Azab Hoon)".

as replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 08:40 PM PST 

haah nice joke. i wonder why all Mazaray support ppp.

Jameel replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:48 PM PST 

Mr Sherif, or Nawaz sherif or Shehbaz Sherif are as corrupt as an average Pakistani, may be bit lesser. We get leaders from ourselves. Leaders are not prophets.

Pakistan Loving Swedish replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 02:24 AM PST 

One of my very near reltive has been working as form manger at Mian Muhammad Sharif,s raivind form when Nawaz sharif was PM.other one is still working a qualified job with them in saudia.I have never met nawaz Sharif or shahbaz Sharif but all i have heard about these brothers thay are kind heart people and have good family values.No human is perfect,but i blieve there is no other leader who can replace sharif brothers in present situation

Azher, UK replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 02:36 AM PST 

WOW... Äbu Salman.. that presedential order No: 150025 is on the spot; may be you issued it sarcastically but the fact of the matter is that there is no doubt .... if they had no fear of criticism they would have by now named most of the grave yards and cemetries after BHUTTOS in
Pakistan by now. God save pakistan from the black looming shadows and vultures who are there to tear apart the national fabric to threads.

EU replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 02:46 AM PST 

Dear Loving Swedish,
First of all constitution of
Pakistan bars any one for being PM for third time.
This fellow on record has demanded the from Zardari to fulfil his unconstitunal demands by executive order???
Same fellow has been responsible for murdering one army cheif of Pakistan and various extrajudicial killings.
Same fellow also tried to crash a civilian airliner boarding was another army cheif.
The same fellow upon assuming the Punjab govt. started vicitmizing his political opponents coming to the point of head on collision with the elected representatives of local bodies govt.
The list goes on of his royal attitude..
IMO, Sharif family should go back to Saudi Arabia or confine them self to raiwind.
I know he has been hiring foreigners for his personal bussiness this includes indians as well.
I know most about this family as I have worked in his steel mills as an engineer and I was kidnapped, and tortured in kotlakhpat police station just for quiting my job.
He use to have his personal military and use to torture and harras his employees.
He use to feed his political opponents to hungry dogs and burning furnances.
He jailed Zardari for 7 years without any trial and even tried to kill the man extra judicialy.
What is Mr. Zardari is another long story.
In my opinion we should have completely new cabinet and introduce reforms in system of governance.

Ali Zaidi replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:38 PM PST 

QYAMAT KE 5 NISHANYAN
1.ZARDARI IMANDARI KERGA
2 ALTAF
KARACHI AAYGA
3 MUSHARAF PAR MUQDDMA CHALE GA
4.ADILIYA AZAD HOGE
5 SHERI REHMAN PARDA KARA GI

Waqar Latif replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 02:55 PM PST 

@Ali

You mean Qayamat kabhi nahin ay gi? touba touba..

SALMAN kHAPAYWALA replied on Thursday, March 12, 2009 09:43 PM PST 

To commemorate the ascension from jail bird to the Presidency,
Pakistan Post Office has officially launched a new Rs. 50 stamp.

People of Pakistan are confused which side on the stamp to spit on!!!!
(in urdu log confuse theay k kiss taraf thook lagana hey)
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NATION SHOULD STAND WITH TRUTH,HONESTY AND RULE OF LAW. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE OUR SOCIETY MORE TOLRENT MORE DECENT AND PROGRASSIVE.

EVERYONE SHOULD BE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO LAW.

DO NOT EXPECT THAT ZARDARI HAVE COURAGE TO GIVE YOU JUSTICE...........................

atiq raja. replied on Saturday, March 7, 2009 07:57 PM PST 

dont tell me nawaz leed,he is the most stupid leader in the world,things mid terme election and beet the PPP,he cant even remain stable punjab,he cant learn from the past and repeet again old story.

Hassan Zubair replied on Saturday, March 7, 2009 08:26 PM PST 

I am regular reader of this web page but since last many days it has been become political page instead of real estate related discussions. Especially it has become anti PPP forum and promoting Nawaz league. I am impartial person but whtever is going on inpakistan is really worst. I just request to all visitors of this web page for God sake stop permoting ur favourite leaders and parties at least on this forum. There r many other channels where you all express ur ideas and feelings. May Almighty Allah protects our country and give hadiat to all politicians,Generals and people of Pakistan. Aameeen.

A true Pakistani replied on Sunday, March 8, 2009 07:28 AM PST 

Atiq sahib I do respect you for your honest advice and information about the Islamabad property market but PPPP are the largest scumbags ever to be born on this Pak soil. I hope Zardari would just have a heart attack. He hides behind his Whors like Zarzana raja and Gashti rehman and that other Dr. something whore. We have so so many problems and all they can think of is how to control
Pakistan. There Neeyat is flaued. A person who has the support of his country men dosent need to make deals with other politicians to stay in power. Do you remember how Zardari got elected, he paid every minister 2.5 caror for there support and the ministers showed the ballot paper to the Chamchas of Zardari before casting there votes. I dont know why the whore BB dident leave this ....... man when she found out he was a Choor, may be because she was just like him. Our people are so so stupid to believe these Choors. I guarantee you that Bilawal's time on Pakistan will not come.

A.M.BUTT replied on Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:22 AM PST 

Raja attique

I am sorry to say that how you use this type of words for any body as i know you very well, and it is not good for you if you are still in "Gulburg."

You are doing buisnes and do not think extrime way.Do not mind it and take it as my advice.I requiest all frinds of this site to disscuss metter in gentle and good way.

Thank you,

Amjad replied on Sunday, March 8, 2009 03:03 PM PST 

If Nawaz Sharif is so poppular in
Pakistan why he does not want to address public meetings in other three provinces of Pakistan.He believes confrontation in politics and this kind of style is very dangerous for our country who is already facing lot of problems.

ALI replied on Sunday, March 8, 2009 05:03 PM PST 

Her pakisitani jab vot cast kerta hay to
pakistan ko bud say bud tar leader milta hay.

Aik bar paka wadah ker loo kay kisi nay bee in choooorooon kay jalsay main nai jana, or na vot denaa hay.

Leken pher "kraya kay qatal" drill say jasam main sorakh kertay hain, ankhain nakal detay hain, bevi bouchoon ko utha kay lay jatay hain.

HAY MERAY ALLAH HUMARAY OPER JO FARHOOON KEE AOLAD HAKUMAT KER RAHEE HAIN IN KO GHARAQ KER DAY

Azher Syed, Manchester replied on Sunday, March 8, 2009 08:42 PM PST 

for the attention of Mr. Amjad
If you reckon addressing the public gathering shows the popularity of a leader, if its true, then why Baynazir was killed! because she was very popular among the masses? Why don't you ask Altaf Hussain to come down to Punjab and address the public gatherings, because he is popular in only Urdu speacking section of people who claim to be "Hindustani" living in
Pakistan. We don't need the great debators, orators or the juglars to put the audience into trance, and they get carried awaywith their slogans and speach. We need leaders who can deliver with wisdom and intellect. The nation does not want any leader who will get carried away with sentimental speaches, a man with an empty stomach does not need a good speach or thundering slogan, he needs two ROTIAN, he needs SECURITY, he needs jUSTICE, he needs EQUALITY, he needs HONOUR. DO YOU THINK....your leaders can deliver all that by hust addressing the public gathering?HOW can they deliver some thing which they haven't got themselves? What you DESERVE, YOU HAVE GOT IT. SO FAR RAJA ATTIQUE is concerned he needs to concentrate on Estate property so he can mislead more people to swindle more money in Islamabad area.

anwar replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 11:26 PM PST 

mr A true pakistani has showed that he is not belong to any respectable family coz the words he used in his post Demonstrated his back ground and cheap thinking. Every one has rite to differ others but in good manners.True pakistani naam rukhney se koi true nahi ho jata ais ka lye waqee zahan our damagh ka saaf hona zaroori hai. ur post is showing that u r more Rogue than zardari and regime.
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property devalued doubled than Rupee
..for example one purchased a DHA plot in 60 lac.
If he sold it one year befoer he may got one lac US Dollar in return,..... but on the other hand ..after one year luckly price of plot remains 60 lac rupees he can get only 75 thousand US Dollar only..so he lose twice i.e. 1.can not get perofit of holding investment and secondly devaluation of rupee

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:51 PM PST 

ok.. u win.. :)

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:54 PM PST 

btw isn't that means price in rupees is not changed but only dollar change.. so property is not devalued then rupee but equal.. how it is double?

View replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 06:01 PM PST 

I also invested Half Million Saudi riyals. Now it worth two Lac Fifty thousand only almost half is loss. While in Pak Rupees it is same amount as it was before.

atiq raja. replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 06:22 PM PST 

it is all depends upon luck,calculation are not mater,6 year back i purchase plot on 15 lack rupees,now its worth is around 1 crore 50 lack rupees,dont go on calculations

test replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:18 PM PST 

Atiq Raja jee , Six years ago u bought a plot in 15 lacs and now price is 1.5 crore rupees. Will u please be so kind to tell us in which sector of Islamabad u bought this plot because i know that there was no plot available in 15 lacs whose price is now 1.5 crore.

Ali11 replied on Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:00 AM PST 

@ salman,

u r the biggest looser in every aspect, moneywise & morally.

if you are investing in pakrupees, then think of your profit in Pak rupees.

don't degrade yourself,
just try to respect yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

salman replied on Thursday, February 5, 2009 05:02 PM PST 

Ali Sahib ! I just replied to question of Waqar Latif.. I am not
investor .. I just creat a question.. sorry if I heart your nationalism

salman replied on Thursday, February 5, 2009 07:38 PM PST 

Waqar sahib its not matter of win of lose .. we just doiscussing ...may be i wrong and u or any one is correct so ,,can i say we all win who are dicussing these matters
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suppose one invest one crore rupees in DHA or any Housing scheem and other simply get 14lac per annum profit/mark up from bank deposit.question: who will earn more?

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 02:03 PM PST 

Yes you are right.. but you must know the rupee can get devalue, while your property is not.. & the
prices go up with the passage of time. for detail you can compare prices of the property 5 yr back with today's prices

btw there are scheme from where you can get upto 18% profit from the banks...

Nadeem KSA replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 02:03 PM PST 

This is an intresting question.

can you please discuss here the best options for
investment banks etc other than property and the profit margin....? will appreciate. Thanks in-advancs.

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 02:12 PM PST 

well nadeem, you can get around 14% profit from any bank within
pakistan.

btw national saving pakistan gives around 14.4 - 15% profit, for more information you can go to this website

www.savings.gov.pk

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 02:29 PM PST 

i guess mybank & UBL are giving 18+% profit

Habib replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 02:35 PM PST 

yes It is right Banks and national savings are giving much more return than realestate, upto certain limit realestate is also subject to devaluation if pak rupee devales.
But we should keep in mind that in unfortunate severe inflation realesatte
investment can save you from compleletly losing savings. I hope it will never happen in Pakistan but at least 20+ countries in recent history have faced rates of inflation 100+ percent/year. If that happens then you will end up losing all your savings. So in current circumsatnces one should not invest 25 to 30% in realesate and about same in NSS or stable/ islamic banks. An rest of money should be kept in foreign currency.
This is for the people who have surplus money or savings and cant do any busniess with it.

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 02:45 PM PST 

yes the habib rightly pointed about islamic banking since you can't loss money in that incoume is less but good enough to survive..(PS: National Saving is not Islamic Banking)

Rehmat Ali replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 03:51 PM PST 

Dears:

I purchased DHA 7 file in 2004. It cost me 28,50,000 at that time. I paid development charges of 6,00,000. Now the price in DHA 7 is 24~30,00,000. How can you say that
investment in property after 5 years is good.

And properties going down now also.

Regards.

salman replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:01 PM PST 

if rupee devalue than property devalue autometically..for example one purchased a DHA plot in 60 lac of he sold it one year befoer he may got one lac US Dollar in return,..... but on the other hand ..after one year the price of plot is still60 lac he can get only 75 thousand US Dollar only..so he lose twice 1.can not get perofit of holding and secondly lose of devaluation of rupee..

Property more rewarding replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:04 PM PST 

Rehmat Ali sahib I bought a
DHA phase 6 allocation file in Nov 2003 at 15 lacs. I paid 4.5 lacs for development charges for my DHA phase 6 plot. After all major corrections in property market my plot in DHA phase 6 H block is still valued at 57 lacs.

Can any bank match this return ?

salman replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:15 PM PST 

I can goive you example one person purchase prize bond of 40 thousand and winn 2.5 crore rupees but at the same time hundred of thousand purchased same prize bond but not winn any prize...less or more same case above if some invest in DHA 6 may get profit but thousand others lost in hundreds others scheem and even in DHA,s other sectors

salman replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:21 PM PST 

on fix deposit of four,one can doubled the
investment

Habib replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:31 PM PST 

Dear Sir, "property more rewarding, thanks for sharing with us 2003 price. It was per boom price so in real sense I think your Plot price had right or even more than realistic gain like for 15 lac land you should get 15+20 and for Development 4.5 you should get 9 Lac, total 44 lac so still it is about 12 lac overvalued, the correct worth turns out to be about 45 lac, I think if you take average Plot of phase 6 it is about 48,49 Lac ranging from 36 to 70. in other words it looks DHA still bit expensive than it should be.

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:48 PM PST 

Habib

but at that time profit which banks were giving were only 7%, so if you have invested 1 million let suppose in the bank at that time, then only profit you could get would be 70,000 per annum.. - 10% tax, and after 5 yrs it would be only 1,350,000, which becomes 1.5 million = 2,050,000 only.. so how you are comparing it with property?

Salman

it is not the case.. in 2003, i was getting
DHA Phase 1 plot for only 6 million, now can you tell me what are the prices in DHA Phase 1 at that moment?

Also in wapda 1K plot was for 13, what are current prices of 1K in initial blocks like A,B,C,D .... ?

my one colleage built his house 7.5m house for 23 lac (inc plot) in 2001, at the moment he is getting 8 million blindly...

Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:51 PM PST 

waisay seriously i think, profit or loss only depend upon luck... i remember in 2007 we were selling our house for only 10 million, everything was done.. & something happen the deal got cancel.. & guess what we get 10s of customers who were even giving 13 million after that, but our demand goes to 15 million.. because of rates also goes up in surroundings ..

Asif A. K. replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 05:01 PM PST 

It is correct that Curently simply buying a land is not good
investment. However, if yo have alredy land then construction on it will be bear fruits.
In international era, real estate mini-boom comes back only in 10 years due to economic cycle, while big boom re-appears only in 20 to 25 years. So looing at current econmic crunch world over and in Pakistan, it is safe to say that mini boom in Pakistan is still 2 to 3 years away, while big boom shal appear in 10 years time at least.

Hence, investments in Banking sector is really good option. It will save your money from de-valuation at least.
My interest is not creat panic here, but to give honest and real picture of the market.

atiq raja. replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 06:26 PM PST 

mr salam i am giving you tip for double your
investment with in 2 year,just purchase any size of plot in d/12 islamabad.

test replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:38 PM PST 

Raja sb, please dont give wrong advises to viewers,
prices in D-12 is already increased too much and in two years time can be increased max. 25% more, as u know price of one kanal plot in E-11 SECTOR is 1.5 cr to 1.80 cr. in F-11 2.25 and in D-12 1.5 cr which is already over priced.Please dont talk like double shah. I think best sector for investment is E-11 sector where u r already constructing a house.

Khayyam replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 11:05 PM PST 

Dear test,

In sector D-12 I think you can still
buy a one kanal for around 1.1 - 1.2 caror. I agree with Mr Atiq Raja that if you can buy it for that price, it is possible that the value could go up and become comparable to prices in sector F-11 in two years. That depends on key assumption that CDA finishes the development work which they are claiming to finish by June 30. Additionally your biggest risk is further devaluation of rupee any investor needs to account for.

My advice is that if someone really wants to invest in realestate, BT phase 8 is a better option for the long term. If C ring road project does complete and exceptional access to BT is provided linking BT with airport and Islamabad, the prices there might catch up to slamabad CDA prices. However that can take 8-10 years.

However don't take my words, do your own homework

ShoaibM replied on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 01:59 PM PST 

better to invest in G-14/1,2,3.
Investment will definitely be double in 2 yrs.

ShoaibM replied on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 02:03 PM PST 

I invested in G/15 1.5 years ago and now the rates are approx. double, So, G-14/1,2,3 would be the ideal place to invest. Soon the development work will be starting coz almost all plots belongs to Govt. Employees and most of them are retired and in hurry to start constructing their houses.
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salman, can I ask why are you selling this? Any complaint with the society?

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