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2➖Kanal

D Block: 325 to 425

1➖Kanal

A-Block: 105 to 150 Lacs
B-Block: 90 To 130 Lacs
C-Block: 78 To 150 Lacs
D-Block: 78 to 150 Lacs
E-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
F-Block: 80 to 135 Lacs
G-Block: 90 to 135 Lacs
H-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
K-Block: 80 to 125 Lacs
L-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
M-Block: 80 to 130 Lacs
N-Block: 78 to 125 Lacs
P-Block: 78 to 150 Lacs
Q-Block: 85 to 145 Lacs
R-Block: 82 to 115 Lacs

10➖Marla
C-Block: 70 To 85 Lacs
F-Block: 65 To 82 Lacs
J-Block: 60 To 70 Lacs
K-Block: 62 To 78 Lacs
L-Block: 57 To 78 Lacs
R-Block: 70 to 82Lacs

5➖Marla
J-Block: 36 to 50 Lacs
K-Block: 37 to 55 Lacs
L Block : 36 to 42 Lacs
R-Block: 38 to 55 Lacs

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FRH replied on Monday, April 1, 2019 11:24 PM PST

Prices are same or lower after paying full development charges. In terms of $, About 40-50% money is lost within couple of years. What's happening with property? Let's have open discussion please.

Ahmad replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:06 AM PST

Dear FRH,

There is no money lost within the last couple of years. May I ask you a question? Would you like to sell your property at the price listed above?

FRH replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:59 AM PST

Actually I'm an overseas. Purchased plot by cashing out $'s @ about 100-105. Now $ is @ about 144-145 so based on this, money is lost as the plot prices are almost the same and plus paid development charges as well.

thinker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 01:19 PM PST

Dear FRH
There are a number of reasons cited for the property decline like taxes, FBR etc, but the real reason is different. We must understand the difference between the VALUE of an asset and its PRICE. The value of an asset is how much income it can generate and price is what market sentiments determine. Right now in Pakistan the price of property is much more than its value. For e.g a house in islamabad costs 7 crores, thats its price but it can generate rental income of just 1.5 laks per month that is its value. Similarly shops cost around 1.5 to 2 crores on ground floor in major shopping areas, but they cannot generate so much income as to be feasible for anyone to buy them and start a business. Therefore unless the value of property matches with its price, it will remain stagnant. So how long will it take to match the two. Currently the price is 2X the value of the underlying asset, so considering around 10% increase in income of Pakistanis per year it would take 7 years. Best case 5 years. So dont expect any appreciation before that.

Suggestion replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 01:41 PM PST

If you are genuine buyer, then it is good time
If you are investor than go for some other type of investment e.g., dollar or gold for some time till property again got better

thinker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:10 PM PST

How is it a good time if you are a genuine buyer ????? If the price is not going to increase and just stay the same lets say for one year, then why I should not buy after one year, and let my money grow at 12% in national savings or dollar or what ever. For me it would be 12% cheaper next year..

alpha replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:21 PM PST

FRH sb. Chill. It just the economic ebb and flow. Pakistanis are going to reproduce at exponential rate - so in the long run you are good. Besides stop cribbing about changing your dollars - you are free to invest in US stocks like Lyft and take an instant hit of 10%

Curious replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 04:12 PM PST

@thinker: good point mate!

Advice for you replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 09:40 PM PST

FRH, No body knows in 2015 dollar will be Rs.142. So, if you no need money just wait for right time. Prices will be increase sooner or later.

KSA Banker� replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:46 PM PST

I find the analysis and views presented by "thinker" and "FRH" as very accurate and spot on. I can attest to that with my personal experience. During the 15 months period between Jan 2017 and Mar 2018, i invested a total of around 580,000 dollars in Prism. The prices of the plots since then have remain almost unchanged or have slightly declined in Pak rupees terms. However, due to depreciation of the Pak rupee against the dollar (from around 105 rupees to 140 rupees against one dollar), my investment in dollar terms is currently around 30% down compared to the cost. Even being a long term investor, I am afraid it will take quite a number of years for me to recover my original investment.

I also fully agree with the point regarding mismatch between properties prices and intrinsic values. At the prevailing properties prices and rents, the yield for a common investor on both residential and commercial properties is way too low compared to the risks of investing in the Pakistani real estate market. It will take a combination of significant increase in rents and decline in properties prices to achieve an economically viable equilibrium where investors would find it attractive to invest in real estate assets in Pakistan. Such an adjustment, as pointed out above, may take years if it really happens.

Best Regards

Asif replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 02:02 AM PST

Very valid points wrt Rupee devaluation and intrinsic values. What is the way out from here for new investor? I can not see any reasonable return in Pakistan property for coming years. But what are the other avenues,

USA Doc replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 03:34 AM PST

I agree with KSA banker....I also invested back in 2017 and 2018 in US dollars two kanal plots each in prism
I am currently at a loss looking at US dollar rate but I know I will hold those long and for sure they will go up in value in 3-5 years as it’s still under development phase
If u look at 2 Kanal plots phase 3/5/6/8 they are trading 6 crore to 10 crore
So eventually it will be ok
In short term yes there is loss
But long term in good location under developed areas you will still gain