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Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:25 PM PST 
What I do if I am seller

What I do if I am seller
The Top Line and Bottom line is that sale is standstill not because of Taxes but investors are not feeling that any gain will come in 2,3 years, rather loss is expected.
Almost 2 Months have passed and there is still no clear market direction, The demands prices have failed to decline. Most experts agree that prices will come down a bit may be 15 to 20%. However More Sure thing is that, they will not rise in near future. If I am a seller, and holding a plot in an “Inflated” area. Say worth 100 Lac in peak time. I must be sure that prices will not increase in coming 2,3 years at least, The Likely Hood % wise is that It may Come Down to 85 Lac in March 2017 [70% Likely hood] may fall another 10 lac and fall to 75 Lac in Dec 2017 [ Likely hood 50%] May not fall at all and keep hoovering at same level 25% Chance, Have another Kick in 2 years’ time almost no Chance.
In this scenario I will be benefitted if I sell it in 1,2 Months with 7,8 lac Bargain say in 92 Lac and Pay 5 Lac Gain tax. If My Plot is small and less than 40 Lac even Gain Tax Factor will be lesser. In market there are always buyers due to certain reasons. Make sure not to sell to investor on biana [ Currently market is full of these disputes]

If I am lazy or Long term holder then in 3 Years Price will be lesser than today and end of 4 years price will reach current value and then will start growing fast like cycle. That explains why in hype the gain gain is 200% annualized and why in long term the gain is 17,18 % annualized.

Again the Bottom line is that sale is standstill not because of Taxes which are just about 2 lac per 100 Lac Plot but investors are not feeling that any gain will come in 2,3 years, rather correction is expected.

Observer replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:43 PM PST 

very pessimistic view/approach.
let see what it turns out to be.
lets take an example of a plot in prism worth 100 lac today. according to you it wil remain 100 lac after 3 years. question is where to accomodate LRR compltion, roads copmletion within prism. after 3 years more than 70% development work will be completed still plot will be 100 lac?

Observer replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:45 PM PST 

where do you incorporate value addition factor?

Observer replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:50 PM PST 

On top of it if you put 100 lac in bank account today after 3 years 100 lac will be depriciated to 75-80 lac in real terms.
may be any accounting person could apply a discounting formula to dertime future value to 100 lac of today

Observer replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:51 PM PST 

we need to calculte opportunity cost as well here

Realistic replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:52 PM PST 

Dear observer

What is likelyhood of DHA completing 70% of development work in 3 years considering:
1. Next 2 years are very slow for real estate.
2. Prism is x times bigger than phase 8 which took 10+ years (and counting) to get 70% developed . How can it take so less time to get developed?

Observer replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 09:59 PM PST 

this likelyhood has been discussed in detailed several times before. a lenght debate to go into

Observer replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:21 PM PST 

@Realistic bro just to inform you ph 8 was balloted in 2010 with a cash file rate as high as 38 lac and installment file at 55 lac. its been 6 years noy 10 plus. see rates today 225 to 250 lac and in W even as high as 300 lac despite deep land

Yasir replied on Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:37 PM PST 

Question for Habib sb & Realistic
Lets suppose if anyone has a good location plot in PRISM or phase 7. And at moment its price is 125 which is 135 2months back
He sell this plot according to your interpertation @110 today excluding taxes. And got Cash what will he do next?

Yasir replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:15 AM PST 

My question is still unresponded habib sb?
You feel what you feel for yourself?
But I feel that there is no other option at the moment.
Rather than to through your excellent top Investment on this price. Better to wait for good gains. This is not a good timming to sell. As far as buying is concerned you got good deals at the moment to grab.
TIME IS CLICKING

Noman ahmed replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 01:38 AM PST 

Buy in low price soceities like grand avenus. Very good location posession plot 10 marla 36 lacs. Within a year surely will cross 50 lacs.

FAA.awan® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

Here Very pessimistic views,Do n't lose heart.Property is the game of brave people not cowards.Very soon the taste of property will force the investors to come back in real estate bussiness.There is no other business options in pakistan as we are facing loadshedding,and many other problems which are not suitable for daily basis bussiness.In short , property is matchless and it is still attractive for better gain than banks etc.Wait a little bit more as the fog is to end sooner or later.

Arif M® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 02:48 AM PST 

Habib sb, I agree to your predictions about short term (6 months). However, what you said about 2017 is really pessimistic view. I do not expect prices to further fall in 2017 (unless GOVT introduces some new taxes next year). A lot will also depend that how FBR revises rates in June 2017. That will set perceptions for lot of things. But there is still lot of time for that.

As for now, I think futuristic properties will be mostly affected in this phase. OR the properties which are overpriced. However, I do not expect much drop in prices of properties in mature areas like DHA 1-6 or Johar Town surroundings that are already populated.

In longer term, there are so many factors on play here. Very hard to predict anything. Situation in Middle East, Europe. FBR revised rates next year. Govt and Ishaq dar policies in next budget. LRR development. So much more.

Habib replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 03:11 AM PST 

The Whole discussion was based not on Tax But Cyclic pattern of real-estate Market not only in Pakistan but world over. Late 80s and early 90 Boom and then 1996 to 2001 Slump, Boom 2001 to 2004, Slump 2005 to 2011, Boom 2012 to 14 and stagnation in 14,15 and again a push in selected areas in in 2015, For Last some years Taxes were getting higher every year what if 2 Lac Gain in Transfer, This much gain properties were covering in 2 weeks during 15-16.
However Property will be final winner but new investors should realize that doubling prices in 6 to 8 Months were unhealthy and had to stop at certain point. Now Investors at peak prices will have to wait, People who missed the train in peak prices will get a chance in 1,2 years in lesser prices.

Yasir replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 03:11 AM PST 

My question is still unresponded habib sb?
You feel what you feel for yourself?
But I feel that there is no other option at the moment.
Rather than to through your excellent top Investment on this price. Better to wait for good gains. This is not a good timming to sell. As far as buying is concerned you got good deals at the moment to grab.
TIME IS CLICKING

ShahzadQamar® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 03:47 AM PST 

Before this post I had opinion that Mr. Habib is a guy with very good analytical approach but this turns out to be wrong after this post. Anyways Habib saab no such thing is going to come in Pak real estate with all your expectected probability spreads. We are not in global slump.

User_6006® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 04:53 AM PST 

CMY audio also advocating almost what habib sb said , and i said almost same in bit confused words but a story i shared that ask local dollar of valencia they will say 2004 to onward good for Valencia , so i showed you a picture of surviving even in slump if come like or correction like 2014

CMY is different person than all other mean property gurus and investor who judge direction but hide it and act selfishly , first his estate really work on agenda of joining buyer and seller on decent term and get commission .

second he has passion to serve in his passion field which is property this is why he said in end of his audio that small budget people is suffering in real manner as prices increased enough no matter correction arrive or slump or we all get wrong here and further price increase the small investor would remain cornered

so i am waiting like many others for cmy to select low budget schemes that can gain shortly or in long term but cheap right now and authentic . even with all knowledge of market direction if you are low in budget you will be confused like me and awaiting for cmy to work for his roti and our's in current scenario as brands are easy to trust and with low budget you can't trust schemes as most wont fulfil any promise so no matter boom come in years those remain in slump all the time if not fraud .

cheers

Khalid Azad® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:19 PM PST 

Dear Habib & user 6006,
You can see my post nearly may June 2016, where I worn about this property Slump ahead. It's routine period. Taxes are not big effect it's due you can see abnormal high hype since last year.that are indicated some thing

Jameel Mughal® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:35 PM PST 

I Posted a reply but got error I Hope LRE team will Post user 6006 Can yo Kinley post link for CMY audio

AhmetKildir® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 04:29 PM PST 

The last slump was due to a global recession the likes of which we haven't seen in 65 years. The current situation isn't really a slump, it's more of a slowdown due to governments tax policies that resulted due to IMFs danda. Plus the big fish are transferring their money in Dubai as Dubai has reached the bottom of its correction and prices are expected to rise 10-15% annually from .

Myc replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 05:10 PM PST 

@Jameel bhai
The audio link,
https://clyp.it/3afopppc

Bahtti replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 05:31 PM PST 

Brother Ahmet, current situation is also global. Worst than past. That time there was no unrest in the region. Thousands has lost job in one day notice & big numbers are in row. Hundered of thousands are not getting salaries from last few months. Troops on border cost very high than troops in barracks. And when income also falls from $100 to $40 than we call global crises. A large numbers of Pakistanies are working in Saudi Arabia and impact will transfer to Pakistan. Food was the cheapest thing and the best luxury in Saudi Arabia but hard for those are job less now.

newbie investor replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 08:04 PM PST 

Jameel Mughal sb waiting for your advice as i am your mureed and follow all of your advices religiously. Please do advise me about investment. Advise me about DHA Multan, Lahore or Peshawar, whatever you think will give good return in long term. thanks

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 09:50 PM PST 

1. There is a slump.
2. There is a cyclic slump.
3. Slump is not due to new taxes or it is due to new tax policy.

But in my humble opinion, there are very less number of purchasers (or investors) in the property market and the main reason behind this situation is that very less number of investors can give prove of their money being invested / or used is 'WHITE' for purchasing property.

Khawaja Qasim® replied on Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:36 PM PST 

Habib Sb. thank you for your post and all others who commented. The discussion will prove to be useful for prospective buyers and sellers. However, I would also like to point out that there will always be undervalued options available in Pakistan real estate market. People should look into it and follow Mr. CMY advices. Just an example 3 months back, Sector N 5 Marla file in Bahria Enclave Islamabad was available at 6 lac (+19 lac installments). Now same file current price is 14 lac (+19 lac installments). One month ago, I bought 2 files at 9 lac (+19 lac installments) in 1 month gave me a healthy profit of 10 lac in 2 files. No effect of taxes. Similarly there are plenty of similar or even better options still available and will always be available. So, look for that and invest in undervalued plots.
Regarding Prism and DHA other phases; there is so much development happening in Lahore it is hard to digest that 100 lac plot available today in Prism will be 80 after 3 years. Prism, Phase 6, 7 & 8 are excellent places to invest. Prices can remain stagnant, correction for a while but will grow in medium to long term. Mr. CMY said prism once developed will have prices equal to Phase 6 and 8. So, lets be optimistic IA there will be steady growth in 6,7,8 and Prism in next 3-4 years.

SaeedUSA® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 01:28 AM PST 

i posted this back in june...

SaeedUSA® replied on Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:44 PM PST

Very good analysis by RaviaGIk but forgot one thing that Pakistan own political situation is not good. After Eid will be big show down.If you look at the interest rate chart for Pakistan since last 15 years and you will see crash of 2005 and 2016 are almost same. Back in 2005 same time interest rate was 6 % and started going up and realestate went down.I am thinking that interest rate will be going up very soon or may be next year..my two cents.

alpha replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 04:44 AM PST 

Global GDP growth in the six of the last 8 years is below 20 year average. Commodity prices are down 28% since 2014. Much of the global growth post 2015 is due to China and emerging Asia. China's gross capital formation while explosive in the past, is slowing down in future. Interest rates have fallen to historic lows. Global ( and Pakistani ) debt is growing faster than GDP.

alpha replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 02:29 PM PST 

@Kh. Qamar, 100 Lac plot is NOT available in Prism today. It will be available after 7 years. The value of growth in Lahore infrastructure is already built-into the current price

Furqan replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 03:42 PM PST 

@alpha, my poor little fellow i can understand the burn you are suffering from. may ALLAH grant you sabar

alpha replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 04:05 PM PST 

@Furqan, thanks for the prayers - but I am good - no burn other than your flame. I wish, pray and hope that Prism 9 grows as many people have invested their life savings. Just stating the fact. Kh Qamar has studied finance - he would know that future growth value of an asset in efficient markets in built into current price. DHA Lahore is an efficient market

User_4021® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 05:30 PM PST 

Price is expected to remain stable for at least one year and will probably see some correction. In southern Lahore price is expected to appreciate but obviously at slow rate. I have observed and met with some Investors and many of them are looking for other options at the moment. So simple is that property market gain will be nominal after paying all taxes.

AhmetKildir® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 06:43 PM PST 

@Bhatti, no idea what your talking about. This isn't even a recession yet and your comparing it to the global recession of 2008. =)

Saudi seems worse affected. But oil prices have been down for a year now. Pakistani Property market slowed down only after the recent taxes otherwise there were Q/Q gains for the last 3-4 years. Investors saw gains somewhere else and transfered their money. Job market outside Saudi isn't as doom and gloom as you say it is. $40 from $100! Give me a break =)

I think there aren't any buyers in the Pakistani market but there aren't too many distress sellers either. At least I am not able to find a 'location' plot in Prism for 110.

AhmetKildir® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 06:44 PM PST 

And congrats to Ishaq Dar itni achi khaasi market daba di usnay.

Babar® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 09:39 PM PST 

I am next to Mr. AhmetKildar, present situation is only due to the tax issue, most of people even expats were not buying every month a new plot but most of them were busy "selling and buying" means switching their existing properties. Of course there are always new buyer in Market but fewer and now they are just waiting to catch a desperate "fish" and many here are just propagating artificial panic. if one sell his prime location property due to the recent situation, than where else to invest?

Babar® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 09:44 PM PST 

All friends who are crying recession recession, have any one of them visited DHA Lahore office on 30th, June 2016????? Why that recession have promptly started onward from 1st, July 2016???

UG replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 10:07 PM PST 

Please evaluate for me the price of X224 in dha phase 7. Thanks

Usama Javed® replied on Monday, August 29, 2016 10:11 PM PST 

Some sane voices at least from Ahmet and Babar. keep sharing your precious knowledge.
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Thursday, July 14, 2016 06:45 PM PST 
Investment advise

Please advise, I want to invest 100-200 Lac pak Rs., Please advise where to invest,
if short term
if long term

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Thursday, July 14, 2016 08:38 PM PST 

Agricultural

ABU ARYAN® replied on Thursday, July 14, 2016 08:57 PM PST 

Ahmad, can you explain it please.

HassanHC® replied on Thursday, July 14, 2016 09:40 PM PST 

Buy in safe DHA projects DHA phase 7 and 9 should be preferred.

Dil Jala replied on Friday, July 15, 2016 02:22 AM PST 

Invest with Ishaq Dar or Nawaz Sharif

Khalid Azad® replied on Friday, July 15, 2016 11:04 AM PST 

This is not wright time for new investment in property business. Hold and search some things new that will generate new income.

Arif M® replied on Friday, July 15, 2016 01:48 PM PST 

If real-estate is target then Invest in underpriced options only. Preferably on ground. Do full research before taking decision. Better hold your investment for few weeks and let the market take clear direction after new taxes.

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Friday, July 15, 2016 04:27 PM PST 

Dear Khalid Azad®, why it is not right time for new investment in property business. Is it only due to new tax policy or some other factors also hindering new investment in property ? Please elaborate your point of view.

Asad-Ali replied on Friday, July 15, 2016 05:27 PM PST 

currently Market is very slow (waiting for govt to undo recent CGT/fair property evaluation by SBP agents and its side effects) because after these taxes, investors profit margin would be much reduced. Just wait till final decision by govt comes (they are already in talk with stakeholders)

Khalid Azad® replied on Friday, July 15, 2016 08:56 PM PST 

Iftikhar sb please check market response on new taxes now a days. You will see more results in coming week.
Soit's indication if someone understand? If I tell more someone not feel battery here
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Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:37 PM PST 

Another sad day for muslims their problems will be further increased in AMERICA and EUROPE.

Worst shooting in single day in U.S 53 dead and 50 injured.

The shooter is Muslim Omar Siddique...my God

Muslims will be targeted more in U.S. now

Just chill replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 12:35 AM PST 

Nothing new.
They are in US of their own free will and hence should be ready to face the hatred dear!

Just chill replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 12:35 AM PST 

Nothing new.
They are in US of their own free will and hence should be ready to face the hatred dear!

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 01:35 AM PST 

He is Afghan having American nationality.

User_12596® replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 01:58 AM PST 

This is the time to strengthen our country. Why we neèd migrate to others countries and live there like slaves. Because our prime minister is nawaz shrif. This is the time we should throughout all stupid politicians like noora legue.and.billo rani.Build our countary.
We should stand and should not look to others. Lanat in sub politicians pay.

humair replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 02:28 AM PST 

They are having the taste of their own medicine....

Real Beggers replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 02:33 AM PST 

Dear User very funny.
I think Gen Musharraf and Ayub were not politicians. Have guts to admit that your true leaders (GHQ) are biggest beggers.
Your generals,Cols etc most next generation and property is in USA,so how can they defend Pakistan"s rights? Main job of army officers is property dealing in Pak. What a country!!
Enjoy your ignorance and keep begging and saluting boots and uniforms!!

Waseem® replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 02:35 AM PST 

As you sow , so shall you reap. US ignited wars around the world & they will keep facing such incidents. Beside, this is US's problem, A US citizen did it. As a Pakistani i still have not forgotten the attack on our innocent children, which was planned & organized in Afghanistan with foreign secret agencies help. God Bless Pakistan.
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Friday, May 20, 2016 03:47 PM PST 
Market watch

Dear All,
Property rates over recent days have significantly and unrealistically gone up. I believe its a very good time to sell your property but certainly not the time to buy. If anything bought now will take 2 to 3 years to come back to same level of prices. This unrealistic uplift in market I believe is primarily due to dumping of hard cash by corrupts in property market after recent raid by LEAs in Finance secretary of Quetta's place.
The property market has not witnessed such an enormous rise in transactions ever as in recent times which I believe is a temporary phase and will settle down in 2 to 3 months time.
Like most of you I am also interested to invest some of my hard earned money in property but somehow reached to the above conclusion, decision is yours, kindly study market/ trends/ facts in detail before you take a decision to invest.

Z.F replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 03:58 PM PST 

i will suggest u to listen CMY Sb. audio carefully. u will find ur answer.

Z.F replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 04:01 PM PST 

Its better to buy plot instead of waiting the rates will come down. i have done this mistake in 2010 in DHA Town. the file price was 7-8 Lak. and now u can see the price.

ZS replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 04:09 PM PST 

Bhai in my 10 years Experience these prices r not on Peak still there is a charm to increase more if u see prism u ll find there is a jenuine Reason behind to increase its prices due to LRR nd its own Development Work if u see on Raiwind Road societies there is also a jenuine reason behind due to mega projects is goin on at that side overhaul the rise in property in Lahore due to mega projects nd Govt Serious intention Towards Lahore

ZB replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 04:11 PM PST 

In real estate a sealer is always a looser as property price always get appreciated with time. Some people stay lucky they get quick profit otherwise in general it is long terms game. I am not convinced very much that commercials are good buy. Commercials are linked with population and to buy in barn land which will take ages to get populated, It is not worth, for me it makes no seance to buy commercial. But for sure if you are investing for long terms and for grand children it is fine. Average location plots in Prism are having lots of potential to gain and their prices are purposely kept low to buy cheaper. Hold it if you can or buy them if you wanted to invest.This is what I would suggest. good luck

Opinion replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 05:31 PM PST 

Prices may fall temoporary but if talking about 2 to 3 years down trend, then sorry, in most cases these prices will shoot up further....

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 05:57 PM PST 

Overseas has major share in Pakistan property market. Many countries putting limitations on outgoing remittance with charges from next month. SA already restricted expats to go on leave more than one time in a year. Also black money is being white before budget. All that impact on price after June 2.There will be no buyer after budget.

Ali replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 06:16 PM PST 

Ahmad Hassan sahab and other readers, when will be the best time to buy one kanal in prism.

i will be very thankful for your response

Farooq replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 06:36 PM PST 

@Ahmad Hassan:
There is no such restriction in saudi arabia, as of today, to transfer money to home countries. In addition, it was only a rumor that Pakistanis can visit Pakistan once a year. It was already clarified by saudi government.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 06:49 PM PST 

Remittance restriction is in other countries. Current recession is about to reach in South Asian countries

Ahmad replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 06:51 PM PST 

I agree with Farooq there is no restriction either of sending money or to go out of KSA aa many times you want..However due to current situation of Saudi economy and jobs cutting for expats there is downward trend in remittances esp from GCC.

Ali replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 06:51 PM PST 

@ Farooq sahab is 100% true.

when will be the best time to buy one kanal in prism.

i will be very thankful for your response

HassanHC® replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 09:07 PM PST 

Recession started in 2008 and now is the time that recession is ending in European and American markets so our country is fine. Also oil rates are going up and stabilizing. There is as such no remittance restriction in North America

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Friday, May 20, 2016 11:09 PM PST 

Mr Ali, from may 15 to dec 15 was the best time to buy in Prism when prices of good plots were between 65 to 80 lacs. Present time is a good time to buy in Prism as prices of good plots are between 100 to 120 lacs. These prices will continue to escalate since the Prism development has started and LRR construction is about to start on ground in few days. In 3 to 4 years .when development of Prism is completed or about to be completed, it is expected that prices will reach between 250 to 350 lacs. So at present Prism is a good opportunity to fetch handsome profits in days to come. Good luck to Prismers.

Ahmed replied on Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:36 AM PST 

The largest source of remitance in Pakistan is SA and all other GCC countries. North America has share only $ 2.5 Billions. Recession didn't end yet.
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Friday, May 13, 2016 03:17 PM PST 

DHA Phase 7, CCA 4
In above commercial area DHA have added more than 200 commercial plots (now total approx 700 plots) which makes it biggest commercial area in whole DHA ( proper) how it will impact on the prices of CCA 4 commercial plots

Shah replied on Friday, May 13, 2016 06:52 PM PST 

This is a game changer for not only Phase 7 CC4 commercial prices but potentially also the lower block cuttings towards CC4 of residential also.

Generally prices fall when supply increases. However there are some exception to this rule and this is one such brilliant example. Here is the logic behind it:

When a commercial becomes this big, it actually gains more interest from all sorts of banks, restaurants, coffee shops, whole sellers, retailers and brands due to the sheer size of the market. Smaller commercial hubs have lower value in general and large commercial hubs have much higher value in general (when the market matures/plazas constructed and businesses establish). Small commercials might not have all brands, all banks and all eatries. But larger commercial hubs have a general presence from very major chain of business.

So its time to enjoy for phase 7 commercial holders in general and cc4 holders in particular :)

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Friday, May 13, 2016 08:15 PM PST 

Mr P7 & Shah, Please tell us how many residential plots are there in phase 7 ? Which other neighboring colonies can be dependent on these 700 plazas? Thanks

Junaid replied on Friday, May 13, 2016 09:17 PM PST 

Phase 7 residential has around 29,000 kanal plots and is one of the largest after the addition of new cutting areas then there is proper 18 hole Golf club Defence Raya 1350 kanal, knowledge park with around 9 universities, kidney and liver center etc.

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Friday, May 13, 2016 09:47 PM PST 

Shah Sahib, do not you think knowledge park will have its own commercial area which will meet its needs ? knowledge park is a Punjab Govt project which will carter for all its requirements. If it is so than ? Actually i was thinking that this much commercial area of phase 7 is too much for its needs.

Shah replied on Friday, May 13, 2016 10:57 PM PST 

Iftikhar bhai
If your look at the google image, the land reserved for knowledge park is hardly enough to cater to multiple universities let alone a big commercial centre within that land. If anything other than actual university campuses is to be built here, govt would (or at least should) plan for hostels with maybe few shops like fruit shops/tandoors etc but brands and coffee shops and banks and entries can't be built here unless govt is planning for only a couple of universities here (in which case this is not a knowledge park by definition but just a couple of university projects that I highly doubt).

Just compare the PU area or LUMS area on google map and then compare it with the land available next to phase 7 Z block. Remember to discount the land where kidney centre is now already being built and you will get an idea of how much land is actually left for universities.

Also remember that a road is planned next to BRB with entrance from bark road next to CC4 all the way to rohi nala as per last year news given by CMY. This should be the most direct and convenient route to this knowledge park.

There is a reason phase 7 commercial went from 160 in Jan this year to 250 in 4 months :)

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Saturday, May 14, 2016 03:02 AM PST 

As per http://hed.punjab.gov.pk/lahore-knowledge-park area reserved for the knowledge park is 852 acres or 6816 kanals. I think this much space would be enough to build at least 8 to 10 university level educational institutions along with all allied facilities. The knowledge park buildings would be at least 4 to 6 storied. Old timer universities were built horizontally on large spaces but now the trend is upward or vertical where less space is required.

Reborn® replied on Saturday, May 14, 2016 04:55 AM PST 

DHA phase 3 commercial is catering to half of the lahore not only phase 3 residents, you never know Phase 7 can be that big too. :)

P7 replied on Saturday, May 14, 2016 05:05 AM PST 

@
Iftikhar Afzal
Are you a property dealer if yes than i can understand your sentiments towards Phase 7

Junaid replied on Saturday, May 14, 2016 07:00 AM PST 

I have heard from a property dealer though don't know how correct it is that there is planned food street besides CCA-4 Phase 7 between BRB canal and CCA-4, empty space that can been seen in map
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Friday, May 6, 2016 07:08 PM PST 

Till when do we expect possession of PRISM. I think it will take at least 15 years. I dont understand why people are buying in PRISM THEY ARE NOT KEEPING IN MIND THE DEVELOPMENT CHARGES. Some people say its location is good yes it is almost 12 km in length and in width it is around 7 km so location will naturally be good if it is touching both the sides being so big. it is my prediction that the price hike will be static because in phase 6 some 1 kanal plots ready to built house are around 160 to 170 and who would buy a plot of 120

Jameel Mughal® replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 12:02 AM PST 

People are not buying due to its location, or planning to make home but after seeing that its price was increasing every month, Ignoring safety alerts. In case the price takes reverse direction they will pull fast.

Khalid Azad replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 12:43 AM PST 

Bhai it's look like same as 2005 blast in price. Prism9 is mature nearly 2025 and prices are already so high. I don't understand why? Please note my words and please don't to feel person if any body already investment in prism. It's only personal views.
Think 9 to times before investment in prism 9.

A .Hayee replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 01:03 AM PST 

Salam Usman sahib your analysis is very true we all know that before PRISM Phase 9 there is phase 7 which is under process of possession with only small area left for development and handing over than surely its turn of phase 8 and than IVY Green phase 8 most analyst predict that it will take quite a bit of time in development because of deeper landscape requiring heavy equipment and machinery than its turn of IVY Green so keeping in view working and delivering rate of DHA these two projects(Phase 8 and IVY Green) will take several years .After all this its turn of PRISM Phase 9 which is largest project of DHA it will take several years as we know phase 7 took 10 plus years and still is not totally handed over to owners .so all showed keep a close eye on real state dealers shrewd and cunning strategy of earning profits and trapping innocent people into there well designed web plots already touching 120 lakhs (with development charges) while on GROUND we know PRISM will take 10-12 years to develop and will be livable after .May allah guide us all

Surfer replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 01:07 AM PST 

@ usman sb. & khalid Azad its my strong recommendations to both of you plz stay away from Prism don't invest in Prism if you dont like it. And by the way if i apply your theory than Bharia Orchid, Dha Rahber even Faziaya are much overpriced. Tell me what choice do you have in this price. If you have recomemedation other than Prism go ahead but don't Challange people Investments without any proof. Yes you are right think not only 9 to 10 times but 100 times to made any type of property investment decissions not only Prism but any property decission.

Adnan replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 01:18 AM PST 

There are no real buyers for building houses or long term investors in prism. Most of the buyers are short term gainers driving the price trends. It's normal practice, a few weeks of stagnancy in prism will drive the price down as short term profit takers will dump their plots for sale and prism market will see a bit of a collapse. Not that it is a bad investment, not at all, the only thing is there are better options in this price with a much shorter span for making money or building a house. The end user buyer will not buy prism and short term investors tend to move around to make more money, so hard to see people sticking around prism for long at these prices. Prism is a great investment for the long term investor at a lower price, in my opinion it's just a matter of time when market will automatically correct the price. On development time frame, I am sure no one including the advocates of prism are under any illusion that it will be ready anytime soon

Jk replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 02:23 AM PST 

Usman if you like to build a house than please go with phase 6 or 7 and stay away from Prison sorry I mean Prism. That's all I want to say because when I speak the truth more than that some people really get offended.

Nom@ replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 02:57 AM PST 

I think, Usman is very fair, investors are only increasing prices which is not justified comparing to on ground plots. Its better to buy plot in phase 6.

Younus replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 03:26 AM PST 

Mr sufferer is comparing the societies which are ready to build /developed with phase 9 which no one has doubt about the time frame.

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 04:35 AM PST 

It is enough to get offended once a prisoner of this "prison" feel sorry to call it so, then correct himself that it was prism. I would say that if some one want to construct a house immediately he should go for phase 6. If a house to be built in one to four years time then any person have a choice of location bw phase 7 phase 8 and PHASE 9 TOWN. BUT if some one wants to invest and build house bw 4 to 6 years then his natural choice would be phase 9 PRISM. What do you think gentlemen?

AhmetKildir® replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 04:42 AM PST 

Yawn.. happy anniversary to the Prism bashers. Jinko ek saal may baat samajh nahi ayee woh aagay bhi nahi samjhainge.

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 04:50 AM PST 

Well said AhmetKildir® sahib. Aap ne aik sentence mein darya ko kooze mein band kar dia hey.

Surfer replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 05:08 AM PST 

@ Ahmet bhai Congratulation on your promotion from prisoner to "PRISMER" YES i have no regret to say that we all "PRISMERS" On this happy moment i can't even forget my mentor CMY sb. Whose time to time analysis & views make all this possible. Thanx a lot dear CMY sb.
With lots of prayers and dua for your good health "Ameen"
With love from all
"PRISMERS"

Jk replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 05:26 AM PST 

Jin ko aike saal mai samaj nahi aye wo agay kiya samjay gaye that Prism is nothing but future promises 15 -20 Years and Phase 7 is a reality. Every time I am up front some folks don't like it and than start using inappropriate taunting language just bec I have a opinion different from some other folks.

Jk replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 05:28 AM PST 

And congrad for what? One year ago Prism was just a promise for future and 14 years letter it will be just a promise as well for future and you guys will be waiting for possession

MD replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 10:52 AM PST 

JK just read ur older posts... :) again .. Y ppl are comparing Phase 7 with 9 ... logically they shoud compare it with immediate next phase which is phase 8... after seeing phase 8 prices... P7 guys now trying to bully Prism...keep doing ur next target will be phase 10 and u will then forget prism just like phase 8

CMY replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:40 AM PST 

Dear friends I didn't say a word for months for comparison of DHA 7 and Prism but
Kawa to abi tak b safaid he hey :).

Just for a laugh friends. Please don't take it serios.

I am with you let's start a campaign to rename DHA7 Prism phase 2 :) May be than it will perform as good as Prism if not better because its a developed phase.
How about renaming DHA 7 to Prism. Or moving Lahore Ring Road to go through DHA7 instead of Prism.

Jk replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:42 AM PST 

Mr MD Dha phases do not goes with numbers but based on location. Phase 8 is one of the best location in Dha Lahore which is why people draw comparison between 7 and prism. I was expecting some sense from you

Jk replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:49 AM PST 

Mr CMY ring road is not going through phase 8 W block or 6 sector A and prices are over two coror. Please explain ? Is ring road is ultimate success criteria? Phase 7 does need a name of prison

CMY replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:50 AM PST 

On a serious note you still have a very good chance to sell your wortst located DHA7 plot to buy best or decent location plot in DHA 9 Prism and you still have chance for expecting exceptional gains for doing so if switched asap. Will be too late if still ignored the ground reality. If no plans to build a house in DHA7 dump it fast to move to true future of DHA call Prism DHA 9. Its going to gateway to entire current dha with access from 4 to 5 interchanges of Lahore Ring Road Insha Allah it will start getting possession in 3 Years or less block by block starting with A B C D . When possession it will be priced equally with Dha8 high than Dha6 todays prices and very far ahead than DHA7.

Those who paid attention in past one year are enjoying huge gains. Those ignored are still scared them self and trying to keep scaring others like on past.
Lahore Ring Road 24 km to be built in 1 year. Imagine how big boost it will be to Prism. Imagine is 24 km highway can be built in 1 year why can't Prism be ready in 3 Years.

Mian® replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 02:10 PM PST 

@ CMY bhai you are right as always yes its last time for all 7 holders to think about it seriously. May be Jameel sb. Start thinking of using your last warning as they already gain a lot on their 5 marla j block upper cutting. I think Jameel sb. Your real gainer for year 2016-17 is your this 5 marla but not your phase 7 kanal. You are gaining much much more on this plot instead of your 1 kanal in phase 7. Why dont you accept the reality phase 7 holders.
Yes CMY bhai i am keeping my A block PRISM now not only for comming 3 to 5 years but now "IN sha ALLAH" I make my own dream house on it.
@ Surfer sb. Very true with your statement "DHA PRISM IS REAL FUTURE OF DHA" & We all are proud to be "PRISMERS"

Arshad replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 02:23 PM PST 

I have been following this blog for some 7-8 months. It helped me in raising my awareness of the property market in Lahore and still offers useful content 10-15% of the time. Phase 9 has been a beneficiary of some favorable news; DHA ordered to hold immediate balloting and start development work, LRR construction etc.

In a few years time prices across Phase 7 and 9 will normalize as the existing spike in prices is primarily driven by the dealers and their respective investors. The beneficiaries would turn out to be the dealers and their investors rather than people looking for a longer term investment or dreaming of constructing a house in Prism in 4-5 years. I have lived in DHA since 1984 and would definitely want to see fast track development as is being suggested in this forum. Lastly, even if possession is provided in x years from today, it will take another 3 to 4 years for the place to be inhabitable by families. Unless ofcourse we get a deluge of expats returning from the ME to start camping in the area called Prism.

Khalid Azad replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 02:47 PM PST 

Dear Brother Surfer And respected CMY sb, I don,t have any objection on Prism location that will be come in shape nearly 2025, then it will be good phase of DHA. My point are that its today prices are not realistic. Both Respected Brothers you agreed or not but Prism will going for some correction before next investment from peoples, its all about same condition as 2005 in property blast. Most of Innocent new investor will be going to share from this blast (Sorry).
If Property blast happen then most effected ares will be prism 9 due to not in plot shape (developing areas).
Think 9 time before to invest in prism 9 on current prices.

Raees Ali replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 04:33 PM PST 

Respected CMY sahib, Ahmitkildir sahib, Surfer sahib, Allah app ko kush rakha.

Because of your recommendations now i have kanal plot in Prism to construct my house and its price is increasing day by day.

Allah app ka bhala kara

MD replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 05:18 PM PST 

Yes JK location is the key difference between 7 and prism... access to all major part of lahore (southetrn area as well as center gulberg and rest of dha phases) will be much easier or prism residents

AhmetKildir® replied on Saturday, May 7, 2016 06:00 PM PST 

CMY sahib, I actually kind of get it why some investors are always comparing phase 7 and 9. These are the only two 'investment' options in dha lahore at the moment (if we exclude dha town and dha rahbar for analysis purposes). And it does make sense to predict that Prism will take a decade to develop. Phases 6-8 did take ages to develop and if we consider history as the only indicator, Prism will developed by 2025. But people who are aware of what happened between 2007 to 2013, would know the delay wasn't because of lack of competence rather it was an economic turmoil the size of the great depression coupled with some serious integrity issues in the army ranks deployed at dha. I won't say more here but the recent actions against some senior army ranks is the first of its kind. Finally dha actually has a competitor now (name starts with B) and dha knows that slacking isn't an option anymore. Anyway, just my two cents. If anyone still wants to invest in dha phase 7 why shouldn't they. Phase 7 too will have good yields inshalla..

Jk replied on Sunday, May 8, 2016 01:09 AM PST 

Mr CMY thank you for your suggestion. Really appreciate it but I will never ever make that mistake of selling my investments in phase 7 and moving to phase 9. Infact I give you suggestion that you should recommend your audience to that it is still not too late to sell prism and get into phase 7 because in years to come you will see that there will be hardly any price difference between phase 7 prices and 6 and 8. Thanks

Surfer replied on Sunday, May 8, 2016 01:49 AM PST 

@ jk i think your maturity level did not attain yet please be mature and compare your beloved phase 7 with phase 8 not with that was balloted a year ago. Think why phase 7 is underprised although balloted first than phase 8. Bhai meray if you offer me good location in 7 even free i am not a buyer because of its location. "Mark my another words for phase 7 now".
Your beloved phase 7 will be fully developed after phase 9 complete development. I admit possession is there and phase 9 is just start its devolpment but you will see after 10 years how many houses are constructed in phase 9 & how many in phase 7. "In shaa ALLAH" you will see even after 3 to 5 year time span no of houses contructed in 9 is more as compared to phase 7. Plz accept the reality that phase 9 is balloted & fast pace development is start there, Ring road is just going to start in phase 9 which has to be completed in one year.
It is connected with ferozpur road on end and phase 5 on the other end. What do you have in phase 7? Don't make fools of us now times has passed when dealer make fool of the clients. This is fast pace time now everthing is on finger tips and people like you cant even believing on seeing.
Be grown up man.

Surfer replied on Sunday, May 8, 2016 02:55 PM PST 

@ Jk your mental preception is not only clear to me now but after your this post most of the people judges & recognizes on this forum now "WHO YOU ARE" Thank you for clearing not only me but also to this forum what negetives you have in your mind.
Now comming to your post "Now zaa Billah"
When ever i post any future prospects not "PRIDICTION" I always you word
"In sha ALLAH" ALLAH KE MARZI SAY, ALLAH KE RAZAA SAY.
WHO i am to post a prediction I am a very Gunagarh banda of my ALLAH.
Predictions are posted by Najumies like you who never ever knows how to correctely spell the word "In sha ALLAH". & never used it in your posts.
Now comming to logical reasons which i already explained in my previous post which cannot read by your mind due to Negativity in your mind. Please read it carefully & kindly update this forum if you have something new in your beloved phase7 except partial possession. To educate this Respected forum.
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Sunday, May 1, 2016 09:14 PM PST 
DHA Lahore Ph 9 Prism Fast Track Developents is actualy very fast :)

On ballot day I said A block will see development and even handover first. Here is proof in front of your eyes now :)


Insha Allah a detailed update on DHA 9 Prism. A detailed market direction post soon Insha Allah if health and time permitted.



a big positive surprise for Ivy Green holders in few weeks. Note down this post as I will get back to you about it :)

Prism replied on Sunday, May 1, 2016 10:07 PM PST 

Mashallah prism is beating my expectations

Ashfaq® replied on Sunday, May 1, 2016 10:09 PM PST 

Dear CMY sahib, Many thanks. In addition to market direction about DHA 9, please also add DHA Multan in your scope.

Doctor replied on Sunday, May 1, 2016 10:21 PM PST 

CMY sahib thank you
Please advise on prism commercial 8 Marla MB 150 road potential in 3 yrs.
Where do u see prices in 3 years ?

Surfer replied on Sunday, May 1, 2016 10:31 PM PST 

"Ma shaa ALLAH" CMY sb. Once again you give my words tongue "PRISM IS FUTURE OF DHA". I hope now People here those think & pass negative remarks for PRISM like "10 to 15 years atleast required for development & next generation will get Possesion in PRISM" WILL now see with there own eyes that this is new era of fast track development going on in PRISM. I will like to congrates to all those who purchased in A block specially on CMY & my strong recomemdations. Soon there will be a huge surge in prices of PRISM A block specially.I hope your update mean a lot to all your followers. Cmy sb. Once again Umrah mubarik. Remember me in your prayers.

lovely replied on Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:55 PM PST 

Excellent

Jk replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 12:43 AM PST 

I heard DHA is giving the prism Possesion in 2017?

Z.F replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 12:51 AM PST 

Its really nice to see. Congratulations Prism Plot Holders

haadi replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 12:52 AM PST 

After observing views about prism i have analysed prism prices of one kanal will cross 3 crore in next 5 years

Jk replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

I disagree Haadi I believe Prism will cross 6 corore after 5 years. If there is heaven on earth it is Prism.

Prism replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 02:10 AM PST 

Prism you beauty

Expat replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 02:21 AM PST 

Kuch khauf karain cmy Sahab

Background mei kaunsa area hai Zara ghaur karain picture mei.

Fast track development ? 2 excavators k saath ? Or are you sure this is phase 9 A block.
Aap tou aisay misguide Na karain logoun ko please.

Akmal replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 02:57 AM PST 

@Expat, nice observation Boss. This area does not look like Phase-9. Back ground buildings, water tank?

dubai replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 03:10 AM PST 

this is continuation of dha town main boulevard. background buildings are askari 11 flats

M Zahid® replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 03:10 AM PST 

@Expat and Akmal
Area is prism A and flats are of JSHIS but people here are of mein na manoon
Such people who deliberately misguide should be banned

Expat replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 03:36 AM PST 

@M Zahid
Kindly look at the map of prism and then check the main boulevard road approach.it never seemed to be what respected CMY Sahab mentioned.
Also I inquired whether it really is Block A main boulevard or its just erroneous post.
And accept my apology for disagreeing with you if all of you think it's a rapid development with just 2 equipments working day and night to make a biggest phase of DHA.
And why you all people act childish if one even asks something about this mysterious prism ??

Accept my apology again but you people are rather hurting prism than helping it grow with these mere speculations.

Expat replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 03:42 AM PST 

@ Dubai.
Brother Askari flats are no where near A block of phase 9 get your facts straight through map.
Or correct me if I am wrong

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:14 AM PST 

Hearing power of one person above is of unique nature. He always hear something irrational. Then his belief is of its own kind. Actually he believes in illogical, irrational, irresponsible, belligerent, argumentative, quarrelsome, loud-mouthed, confrontational, cantankerous and what and what not behavior and present himself in the same manner in all his posts. I will recommend him to take few days off from his duty of bashing & smashing the Prism.

Expat replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:29 AM PST 

@Iftikhar Afzal
Kindly don't be Bertrand Russell and try talk facts. You can win spelling bees from such post but not the arguments.

your statement falls in fallacy of equivocation.since we are discussing property I suggest you discuss and come up with meaningful statements.

Jk replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:37 AM PST 

I am sorry Afzal= full of arrogance . Perhaps he should take a break. All he wants to hear 24/7 that Prism is the best place in planet and Dha will give Possesion to prism next month not in 15-20 years. Talking about logics and facts what kind of real logic you have presented to the audience on this platform other than just bashing and degrading folks who simply disagree with your point of view. Enuf is enuf Afzal

Jk replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:39 AM PST 

All Ifi wants to hear 24/7 that Prism is the best place in planet and Dha will give Possesion to prism next month not in 15-20 years. Talking about logics and facts what kind of real logic Ifi presented to the audience on this platform other than just bashing and degrading folks who simply disagree with your point of view. Enuf is enuf Afzal

Jk replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:41 AM PST 

Agree 200 percent with Expat. Ifi just want to hear 24/7 that Prism is the best place in planet and Dha will give Possesion to prism next month not in 15-20 years. Talking about logics and facts what kind of real logic Ifi presented to the audience on this platform other than just bashing and degrading well respected folks who simply disagree with your point of view.

Jk replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:44 AM PST 

Agree 200 percent with Expat. Tired of Ifi degrading well respected people on this platform

Ekrar® replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 06:11 AM PST 

Congrats congrats to PRISM A holders♡♡♡...10 LAC increase on cards!

AhmetKildir® replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 02:08 PM PST 

I feel the burn in some of the posts here ;)

It feels like by the first quarter of 2020, the upper cuttings of Prism shall be given possession. Prices will keep increasing at the rate of 1 to 3 lacs per month per Kanal for the next 4 years iA.

dubai replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:07 PM PST 

@expat. please open yur google map and see where the main boulevard in 9 town ends at C block it enters the A block of prism. probably photo was taken at that point and askari flats are right beside the C block of 9 town if yu have visited the area yu must have seen.

Amir replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 04:37 PM PST 

Dear CMY

Main road is also under construction in front of Nishat Mills Ltd. , Sector N , DHA Phase 9 Prism.

Regards

Iftikhar Afzal replied on Monday, May 2, 2016 09:14 PM PST 

Above 4 posts of JK surely shows his mental caliber. No more discussion please Mr JK.

I fully agree with Mr AhmetKildir®'s & Surfer's points of view.
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