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Bahria Town Karachi Ask Supreme Court To Deffer Rs 450 Billion For 3 Year It Impact On BTK Discussed

Sunday, April 12, 2020 07:21 AM PST

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Bahria Town Karachi Ask Supreme Court To Deffer Rs 450 Billion For 3 Year It Impact On BTK Discussed

Bahria Town Karachi Ask Supreme Court To Deffer Rs 450 Billion For 3 Year It Impact On BTK Discussed

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Tahir replied on Monday, April 13, 2020 12:45 AM PST

Aoa
Dear sir thanks for new updates.
Bahria announced to pay 100 percent refund to the effectors of BTK of precent 30 to 56.
When we contacted help line we were informed to contact to their office with all relevant documents and there is no last date

On reaching office we were informed that refund policy has been suspended for few days which is still closed till date.

Do u have any info???

Tahir replied on Monday, April 13, 2020 12:49 AM PST

I contacted many friends but no one could get refund. Actually they announced to sale their Peshawar project.

Malik Raiz is moore dangerous than double shah

Sid replied on Monday, April 13, 2020 02:44 AM PST

CMY ....please also comment on future for BTK sports city files which are outside the legal areas (i.e. precinct 40,). Any chances these could be compensated in legal precincts ? Thanks.

Qasim replied on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:12 AM PST

Bahria Town is too risky too dangerous...They know the psychology of our Nation and they "play" with our inherent need and greed. Need in a sense that Bahria Town is affordable to working class. Greed in a sense we love to play file game. Buy file, sell file make profit/loss without knowing where is the actual plot. I myself fell in a trap of file as it was the only option for a salaried class. After 10 years of wait, it was still a file but after pressuring management they did relocate to a better place which I sold and moved on. To cut short, in Bahria Town (for new investors) always buy a possession plot (if you found it undervalued), never ever invest in files. 90% time (my educated guess) it will not be worth the wait. For files, you can trust DHA (few groups tried to spoil the name of DHA i.e. DHA valley, DHA city etc). But for a pure military project, you can trust their files. Whether we accept or not, only Army is a professional body rest see the work ethics of other govt. organizations. DHA has the intention and capacity to create a top class living standard without compromising the interests of stakeholders. They take 2-3 times the date allocated to develop proper phase like Phase 8 and now Phase 9, Lahore but that can be explained. In Pakistan, nothing works as per planned almost everyone is a con and loot. Thank you!

CMY replied on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 02:14 AM PST

Most likely Bahria town Karachi refunds was announced as lolly pop to calm down people that were protesting of being in land area. People have applied for up to 8 months and no refunds issued to date.

Tahir replied on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 02:45 PM PST

AOA
Bahria town is a natorious orgnization and BTK is not its first scam. There are thousands and millions of its effecties. Even now if they announces Peshawar project, there will be black of booking forms with 50 k to one Lac own on pre launch forms. Famous saying, Bahria town file will never become a plot.

Moral
Greed is course and if there will be a single greedy man in the world scammers and looters are not going to die with hunger.

+97150656.... replied on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 08:17 PM PST

The only thing we may generalize is that 'Always invest in on-ground plots with legal possession, and not files". No matter how long you wait, at the end files are files (papers in a folder) only and not real plots.

Let us not unduly differentiate between BT/MR, DHA or others. DHA Overseas Valley (Islamabad) is very much a DHA project. The project was announced officially by DHA / Islamabad back in 2008 and all the installments during next 3 years were collected by DHA / Islamabad in US Dollars. All along until full recovery of plot price, all the correspondence and even Payment Receipts were issued by DHA/ Islamabad. DHA / Islamabad were so mean that they even claimed and recovered US$ 15/- if there was delay of say 3 days in the delivery of installment pay orders from overseas Pakistanis to DHA / Islamabad counters in Rawalpindi. Now it is almost 12 years that the investors are still waiting for their plots to be handed over or to have a proper and sensible explanation / update from DHA.

Earlier (after receiving full price of plots), DHA tried to alienate itself from the project, as we heard rumors such as some hanky-panky has been made by Malik Riaz in collaboration of Kamran Kiyani (the brother of ex COAS - General Pervez Kiyani). But DHA/Isalambad did not bother to send any formal or sensible communication (even one-pager) to the investors. Now there is a news that DHA/Islamabad is asking for an additional US$ 4K to US$ 5K per plot as additional development charges, despite that fact that the price already paid by investors was all inclusive.

This is Pakistan, where 'HAMMAM MAIN SAARAY NANGAY HAIN". Everyone (no matter whoever we talk about) is too eager and ready to exploit the other, should there be an opportunity to do so.

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DHA Lahore Phase 9 Block Wise Rates Update From La

Monday, April 1, 2019 09:52 PM PST

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DHA Lahore Phase 9 Block Wise Rates Update From Lahore Real Estate Apr

DHA Lahore Phase 9 Block Wise Rates Update From Lahore Real Estate April, 2019

2➖Kanal

D Block: 325 to 425

1➖Kanal

A-Block: 105 to 150 Lacs
B-Block: 90 To 130 Lacs
C-Block: 78 To 150 Lacs
D-Block: 78 to 150 Lacs
E-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
F-Block: 80 to 135 Lacs
G-Block: 90 to 135 Lacs
H-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
K-Block: 80 to 125 Lacs
L-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
M-Block: 80 to 130 Lacs
N-Block: 78 to 125 Lacs
P-Block: 78 to 150 Lacs
Q-Block: 85 to 145 Lacs
R-Block: 82 to 115 Lacs

10➖Marla
C-Block: 70 To 85 Lacs
F-Block: 65 To 82 Lacs
J-Block: 60 To 70 Lacs
K-Block: 62 To 78 Lacs
L-Block: 57 To 78 Lacs
R-Block: 70 to 82Lacs

5➖Marla
J-Block: 36 to 50 Lacs
K-Block: 37 to 55 Lacs
L Block : 36 to 42 Lacs
R-Block: 38 to 55 Lacs

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FRH replied on Monday, April 1, 2019 11:24 PM PST

Prices are same or lower after paying full development charges. In terms of $, About 40-50% money is lost within couple of years. What's happening with property? Let's have open discussion please.

Ahmad replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:06 AM PST

Dear FRH,

There is no money lost within the last couple of years. May I ask you a question? Would you like to sell your property at the price listed above?

FRH replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:59 AM PST

Actually I'm an overseas. Purchased plot by cashing out $'s @ about 100-105. Now $ is @ about 144-145 so based on this, money is lost as the plot prices are almost the same and plus paid development charges as well.

thinker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 01:19 PM PST

Dear FRH
There are a number of reasons cited for the property decline like taxes, FBR etc, but the real reason is different. We must understand the difference between the VALUE of an asset and its PRICE. The value of an asset is how much income it can generate and price is what market sentiments determine. Right now in Pakistan the price of property is much more than its value. For e.g a house in islamabad costs 7 crores, thats its price but it can generate rental income of just 1.5 laks per month that is its value. Similarly shops cost around 1.5 to 2 crores on ground floor in major shopping areas, but they cannot generate so much income as to be feasible for anyone to buy them and start a business. Therefore unless the value of property matches with its price, it will remain stagnant. So how long will it take to match the two. Currently the price is 2X the value of the underlying asset, so considering around 10% increase in income of Pakistanis per year it would take 7 years. Best case 5 years. So dont expect any appreciation before that.

Suggestion replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 01:41 PM PST

If you are genuine buyer, then it is good time
If you are investor than go for some other type of investment e.g., dollar or gold for some time till property again got better

thinker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:10 PM PST

How is it a good time if you are a genuine buyer ????? If the price is not going to increase and just stay the same lets say for one year, then why I should not buy after one year, and let my money grow at 12% in national savings or dollar or what ever. For me it would be 12% cheaper next year..

alpha replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:21 PM PST

FRH sb. Chill. It just the economic ebb and flow. Pakistanis are going to reproduce at exponential rate - so in the long run you are good. Besides stop cribbing about changing your dollars - you are free to invest in US stocks like Lyft and take an instant hit of 10%

Curious replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 04:12 PM PST

@thinker: good point mate!

Advice for you replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 09:40 PM PST

FRH, No body knows in 2015 dollar will be Rs.142. So, if you no need money just wait for right time. Prices will be increase sooner or later.

KSA Banker� replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:46 PM PST

I find the analysis and views presented by "thinker" and "FRH" as very accurate and spot on. I can attest to that with my personal experience. During the 15 months period between Jan 2017 and Mar 2018, i invested a total of around 580,000 dollars in Prism. The prices of the plots since then have remain almost unchanged or have slightly declined in Pak rupees terms. However, due to depreciation of the Pak rupee against the dollar (from around 105 rupees to 140 rupees against one dollar), my investment in dollar terms is currently around 30% down compared to the cost. Even being a long term investor, I am afraid it will take quite a number of years for me to recover my original investment.

I also fully agree with the point regarding mismatch between properties prices and intrinsic values. At the prevailing properties prices and rents, the yield for a common investor on both residential and commercial properties is way too low compared to the risks of investing in the Pakistani real estate market. It will take a combination of significant increase in rents and decline in properties prices to achieve an economically viable equilibrium where investors would find it attractive to invest in real estate assets in Pakistan. Such an adjustment, as pointed out above, may take years if it really happens.

Best Regards

Asif replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 02:02 AM PST

Very valid points wrt Rupee devaluation and intrinsic values. What is the way out from here for new investor? I can not see any reasonable return in Pakistan property for coming years. But what are the other avenues,

USA Doc replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 03:34 AM PST

I agree with KSA banker....I also invested back in 2017 and 2018 in US dollars two kanal plots each in prism
I am currently at a loss looking at US dollar rate but I know I will hold those long and for sure they will go up in value in 3-5 years as it’s still under development phase
If u look at 2 Kanal plots phase 3/5/6/8 they are trading 6 crore to 10 crore
So eventually it will be ok
In short term yes there is loss
But long term in good location under developed areas you will still gain

Truth replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 11:48 AM PST

w w w. dawn. com/news/1473566/another-amnesty-scheme-for-non-filers-planned

Property inflation coming soon

Thinker replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 06:52 PM PST

Thanks KSA Banker...
The problem for overseas investors going forward is that dollar will not be stable for any period of time unlike in the past where it was at 104 for almost 4 years. Government is going for free float which means that each year it will be 10% more (based on the fact that inflation in Pakistan has touched 9.4% this month and would increase further, so the rupee will lose value by 10-12% per year against the dollar). It will gradually fall to 145 by May and then continue its fall and will hit 155 by december.
Although Asad umar has announced that non filers will be allowed to purchase property from July after the budget, however he has mentioned two other things. 1. DC rates would be brought exactly upto market rates. 2. FBR will investigate all non filers who buy property. Therefore once rates are equal to DC rates it will be very difficult for non filers to justify their income to FBR. I dont see any increase in prices due to this reason, other than the real value of plots that I alluded to earlier. I think the sooner we all accept that the party is over, the better it would be. It had become a Ponzi scheme and was sure to fall, just like all bubbles.

Kamal Khan� replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:48 AM PST

Really interesting views -some are quite realistic and reflective of what the ground realities are. Would request CMY to share what views does he hold in the given situation.

pity replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 02:31 AM PST

US dollar is a huge bubble too. After signing up with IMF, it is bound to become slow and will not increase the way it did in past months. Maximum it ll reach probably around pkr 150. Free float might be another scheme to let usd dollar spread in market and then give a sudden shock of us dollar depreciation against pkr. Just like cars, buying property by non filers is freedom. Buying property would be still better than buying dollar or invest in stock market. Many non filers are the people who came/earned from abroad, doing jobs, businesses etc and have proper earning. For filing first time they do not have to prove everything, they need to declare everything. These people are not zardaris or shareefs or the elite who avoid tax. Asad um-a-r is developing schemes and then ditching the same schemes.

Kh Qasim replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 05:22 PM PST

I believe US dollar is bound to increase with prevailing above 10% inflation rate. It will definitely not coming down it will reach 150 and will increase further though at a steady pace. Regarding real estate, keep in mind the population is increasing fast, there are lot of people with money interested in owing properties in big cities so the demand is there and will be there. There is hardly any property on mortgage as compared to western countries where rising interest rate will burst the property bubble. Real cash, savings are poured into the real estate market. Trend is that people save and buy plots for the future generation. The insurance companies like state life and banks too have real estate in their holdings. Fundamentals don't change yes current trends are not positive but the situation will change when the dust will settle. In the short term the dollar will win but in the medium term it will be break even and in long term the real estate will win. Its very easy to say to sell property and buy dollars but in reality it is difficult to implement. The taxes, commission and sometime 5-10 lac extra you have to pay to cunning dealers will spoil everything.
For new investors, it is an ideal time year 2019 to look for property and get a good deal.

Saeed replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 06:04 PM PST

Agree with Kh Qasim on everything. But regarding US dollar i have doubt.
Property like gold is ever green investment. Now is the best buying time.

Ahmed replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 06:36 PM PST

Just to say this is a brilliant discussion. We haven't had a discussion like this for some time. Would be great to see and hear more views.

Just my contribution - yes, rupee weakness will hit overseas investors. But that also makes now a good time to buy if you have spare dollars?
And surely in rupee terms, plot prices will increase in the long term? What are your thoughts.

Salam and duas.

Kh Qasim replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:48 PM PST

Mr. CMY is long term player unlike many seasonal players here. He himself said those talking about property bubble were chewing bubble gum when he entered real estate market. The future for property is bright. DHA Prism and other phases are prime investments and good location plot will be above 300 lac + in 4-5 years time. Actually there are fewer safe investments like DHA. In dollar terms, it will above break-even I am not sure depending upon lot of factors. Though, many of my predictions went wrong. I predicted good location prism plots like A 463,A 222,C 445,C 301,D 598,D 251 valued at 87+13(development charges) on Mar 16 to be 133 on Mar 19.
Post No. 1163 (dated 13 Mar 2016)
My estimation for Prism good location (clean) plot worth 81 lac now adding 19 lac development charges total cost 100 lacs will be priced as follows:
Mar 2017: 113
Mar 2018: 122
Mar 2019: 133
Mar 2020: 147
Mar 2021: 164
Mar 2022: 185
Mar 2023: 210
Mar 2024: 245
Mar 2025: 300
Still believe, year , decent plot in DHA prism will be 300+.

Numb replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:56 PM PST

Very good discussion , I think dollar will be stable after 150 and it will go up to 156 in a year time, But after 2020 it will strike back,

However ,Property will be the winner in Long term investment , DHA Multan & Prism will be good options.

Ahmed replied on Friday, April 5, 2019 06:40 PM PST

Good points - what is the advice for investing only a small amount, like 50 lacs in order to get a good return in Lahore in this current market?

Numb replied on Saturday, April 6, 2019 01:40 AM PST

Ahmed, Prism & DHA Multan will gain 70 to 80% in 2 years time ( My 20 cent). Rest Allah knows we can just expect on the basis of last years investment & gain.

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O M G

Tuesday, October 9, 2018 02:53 PM PST

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Forex currency

Dollar going wayyy up. Reached 138 +.
Hold tight it’s going to be a wild swing in property and stocks as well.

Blood bath is coming.

dxb replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 03:50 PM PST

local buyers are pushed out of property market
international buyers wont invest

O M G replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 04:06 PM PST

This policy is implemented to move out of radar of FATF.
Also to induce people in tax net.
International buyers have many other opportunities rather than buying property in Pakistan, since whenever country gets hit by inflation it effects the most sought after commodities. It’s a sell off market but unfortunately no buyer is interested in buying.

Khan88 replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 04:07 PM PST

International buyers can invest internationally in other jurisdictions with much larger profits .. why should they invest in Pakistan?

Dollar will go up towards 145 eventually....

Habib replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 05:16 PM PST

KSE fro 50,000 to 38,000 in spite of Qatar and China Injection
Dollar Run Amuck
Property market Flat
Future History of Pakistan will write
Please don't tell it is legacy effect, In 2013 PMLN took worst performing Economy and put every thing on track in 2014, at that time there was no legacy effect.

thinker replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 05:36 PM PST

I think things are going to get much worse than at present. This is the start. Pakistan needs 26 billions dollars per year. even with IMF loan of 12 billion we remain in trouble. I dont know what the Government is planning

Thelma replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 06:24 PM PST

So how did the things become so bad if PMLn had put everything on track ...this govt just came into power It was pmln before them ......stop fooling people .....their finance minister ran at the first sign of trouble ....he knew exactly how he had fudged figures and where the country was heading ... And get ready for reaping the mess pmln sowed..

Saeed replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 07:54 PM PST

Personaly i think the prices will go up for real estate especially after injection of more money by government. Government policy is also a major factor for real estate. For example if there are two plots in a country and government has 10 rs injected. Per plot price will be 5. If they inject more money say 20 rs. Price of plot will increase and same goes for other commodities. Inflation will increase and so will be the commodities. Especially on small plots where we dont have any issue on filer/non-filer in different societies. USD-PKR rate in PKR is mostly a mentality where people get panic. Inflation is micro indicator. This government will try to bring back pkr. Property market is not flat. Country is heading where corrupt people will be afraid to do corruption and tax money robbers will be afraid. We as a nation have very less patience. Look around. Successful countries who prospered took decades. This government even with U turns are doing somethings which previous governments did not do for years after years.

SGA replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 08:31 PM PST

Guys,
I Have Solid news that, Dollar will stay on Rs 135/- only. So be calm & Cool.

C. Akram replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 09:05 PM PST

BLOOD BATH like seriously? Just creating panic and havoc is our national game. Pakistan is not in state of martial law that something like that is going to happen. Every country in the world faces difficult situations we have alot of potential so relax and stop watching Indian news channels.

O M G replied on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 10:05 PM PST

That is what we always do sit back and relax.
No Sir. This time around we need desperate measures. Extracting easy money has become a norm of our nation. One should prosper productively. I am against the slogan of imran that point out black money and take 20% of it. NO , it should be pointed out as a national duty of every citizen. We should eradicate this corruption from within that without doing anything productive and creative we get money from all around.
We should get out of this 4 decades habits of commissioning

Qasim replied on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 06:59 PM PST

Pakistan needs 26 billions dollars per year and even with IMF loan of 12 billion that too for 3 years will do little help in this regard. Eventually, we have to do more devaluation and eventually bring the imports from 60 billion dollar to 40 billion dollars. That means everything will go up. Hard times for next 3-4 years.

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KB20

Saturday, December 17, 2016 08:40 PM PST

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B289QD

What do you guys think about Multan Dha where it will stop now, How much maximum it will go upto this time. Please share your value able comments. Thanks

Observer replied on Sunday, December 18, 2016 02:34 PM PST

cash file wilp be at 50 plus minus as Dha Multan launching it at 60 lac kanal file

Qasim replied on Sunday, December 18, 2016 07:07 PM PST

Dha MULTAN can gain 10-15 Lac in 4-6 weeks.

Surfer� replied on Monday, December 19, 2016 10:26 PM PST

Handle with Care

Samurai� replied on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 01:03 AM PST

As the launching has delayed many times so it is difficult to believe until they announce it. The increase will also depends on price of installment files. The gap will shrink gradually. If launching price is 60 then 45 to 48 may be expected within one month after launch.

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Qasim

Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:01 PM PST

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1 kanal DHA Phase 2 extn

I have a file in DHA Phase 2 ext. Sihala, Mori, Rawat . shaikpur-Moghul area

Could someone please tell me the current rate?

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Qasim

Monday, August 22, 2016 06:56 PM PST

Reply:

Dear LRE & Property Experts,

I have around 70 lacs and want to buy 10 marla plot in order to immediately start my house construction. Can I buy 10 Marla plot in DHA phase 6 or 7 in this price range?

Lahore Real Estate replied on Monday, August 22, 2016 07:34 PM PST

Dear Mr Qasim,
Immediate construction does not look likely as 10 marla plot in phase 6 would cost more than your budget phase 7 is a possibility but you would have to wait for possession.

Lahore Real Estate
Email:INFO@LREPK.COM

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Qasim

Tuesday, August 16, 2016 06:26 PM PST

Reply:

AsSalam-O-Alaikum
Dear Asim Sb,

Please evaluate Plot R 805 & 1270 Phase 9 Prism. 2 (paid)Thanks

Lahore Real Estate replied on Tuesday, August 16, 2016 06:34 PM PST

Dear Qasim Sb,

Prism near R 805 estimated value is around 38 to 40 lacs ( 2 paid ).

Price near R 1270 is around 37 to 38 lacs ( 2 paid ).

Asim Irfan
+923224003475
Lahore Real Estate
Email:INFO@LREPK.COM

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Ahmed

Thursday, June 2, 2016 05:21 AM PST

Reply:

Hello all,
Hope you are fine. I recently bought a m7c old close file on 75 thousand onn on advise of friends on this page. Alhamdulilah its going well, please advise if I should buy new booking too with 5 lacs booking or not. Is it advisable to invest or should I stay away as its 5 lacs expensive than previous booking.

Regards

Nabeel replied on Thursday, June 2, 2016 08:07 PM PST

What is the difference between open and closed file?

Qasim replied on Friday, June 3, 2016 09:54 AM PST

@Ahmed, can you please tell me from where you bought M7C closed file, I am interested in buying one! What is current own on these files and how easy is it to buy?
Thank you!

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Faiz�

Saturday, March 26, 2016 04:16 PM PST

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DHA MULTAN

dear,
Any body have idea that if today i get intimation letter one kanal of DHA multan,After how many days allocation letter will be ready.
can I submit the membership fee before the allocation letter or I have to wait till they will issue allocation letter .
thanks

Dha multan replied on Saturday, March 26, 2016 04:21 PM PST

Once u submit ur membership fees, it will take about 2 weeks for allocation letter..

LRE� replied on Saturday, March 26, 2016 06:21 PM PST

Dear Sir,
You can collect even after 6 working days after paying membership fee.

Lahore Real Estate
Email:INFO@LREPK.Com

Kashif replied on Saturday, March 26, 2016 06:53 PM PST

Any information about the Launch of DHA Multan?
Thanks.

ahmad replied on Sunday, March 27, 2016 02:37 AM PST

what does it means that without paying membership fee we can not get allocation letter.is it true ???

Qasim replied on Sunday, March 27, 2016 03:51 PM PST

@FIAZ

My suggestion try to avoid buying in DHA Multan as it is very very

slow gainer in past 2 years.

Ejaz_EJ� replied on Monday, March 28, 2016 03:31 PM PST

@ Qasim
it was slow yes, but now they are going to launch it, may be next month.
you will not see these prices again, same like Peshawar.

Thanks

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Qasim

Sunday, March 13, 2016 01:16 PM PST

Reply:

Prism

AoA: Did every body get development Letter specially L & M Blocks? Because I did not get yet. If I did not get letter, How I can pay development charges as Oversea Pakistani. And I can not visit Lahore this year.
Thx :h

Lahore Real Estate Forum

DHA Lahore Phase 9 Block Wise Rates Update From Lahore Real Estate April, 2019