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Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:23 PM PST 
DHA Bahawalpur 1K Files

Team LRE

Please update Bahawalpur prices its still showing 28.5 while today market rate is 29.5 to 29.75

CMY gonna rock once again your predictions right on dot.

Multan stable at 40.5 and no short term charm in it but surely big winner for 12-18 months holding

The best short term asset is DHA Bahawalpur 1K.

My dear brethren don't loose the chance and lock price by down payment as during eid overseas brother / sister will flock in and take rate near to Multan if not equal.

http://www.dhabahawalpur.com/

DHA Lahore doing transfers of Bahawalpur since 6th June and very soon transfers will open in Karachi and Islamabad so in current Karachi situation many big fish investor will enter files as very less transfer fee and tax compared to plot.

Appreciate your logical disagreement and guidance as diverse opinions bring beauty to this wonderful site

stn replied on Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:20 PM PST 

Dha Multan location is far better than Dha Bahawapur.
Even Multan is very cheap in this price.Its location is
superior and societies around it are 6-8 lac per Marla.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:01 AM PST 

DHA Multan launching is just after Eid. Total 2500 plots (10 marla & 1 kanal) will be offered. Minimum own price will be 10 lac for one kanal file. There 500 affidavit cash files left in market. Those who ve cash better buy cash file and don't wait for installment as chances are very less for one to get. In Bahawalpur more than 400000 applications were received for 6000 files.

Dha multan replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:32 AM PST 

Dear Ahmad Hassan. Thanks for sharing information on dha multan. Is it confirm that dha multan will launch only 2500 plots(1 Kanal and 10 marla). Can you please share your source of information. Thanks.

Tayyeb replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:34 AM PST 

For DHA Multan what would be expected price for the cash file / plot once map is issued and allotment done expectedly xat the most in the next 12 months?

ShahzadQamar® replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 05:17 AM PST 

DHA Bwp is great investment but not now...in future InshaAllah. It will take lot of time for DHA Bwp to give handsome returns. At present outside lahore only DHA multan is investment volatility game and attractive for money makers due to many on ground realities comparing to BWP where 2 Kanal is launched at justtt 90.

Mian® replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 07:48 AM PST 

@ Shahzad sb.
Now its time for bahawalpur as CMY explained its development & features.
As after now onwards buyers have 2 great opprtunities to grab i.e Multan & now Bahawalpur as well.
The main feature of Bhawalpur is that it is fully backed by Milatary project with a very compatitive price as well as tranferrable in Lahore. So now onwards buyers have two choices to think after Lahore.
Bahawalpur has more room to grow in terms of Multan as developments already starts there.

User_16260® replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 05:33 PM PST 

It looks DHA Bahawalpur development speed will make it more shire in market soon but any idea how much time DHA bahawalpur will take to cross dha multan current price (42 lac) ???

M Zahid® replied on Thursday, June 23, 2016 06:09 PM PST 

Multan and Bahawalpur; both are army project but difference is Multan is advance in progression because it has requisite land and is about to launch. Files will turn into plot numbers and development will see shape by middle of next year.
Bahawalpur does not have required land and due to remoteness investors were not willing to travel for transfer to Bahawalpur. Now this issue is resolved but land acquisition will take time and file price will keep oscillating up and down.
In the end both are good projects and will gain. Multan will mature early than Bahawalpur. But being cheaper than Multan later is attractive for investor till it becomes close to Multan
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Monday, June 13, 2016 08:44 AM PST 
Non Payment of DHA Development Charges - Penalty & Cancellation

For Non timely Payment of DHA Development Charges, does DHA cancels the plot incase not even a single instalment is paid. Further, what is the late payment charges or mark up charged on late payment of instalments.

IjazIqb replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 03:15 PM PST 

For Prism, it is 20% per year which makes it 41.6 rupees per day for a 5 marla installment (75000). As per my knowledge, only installment plots can be cancelled because of non-payment.

If you own a non-installment plot, it cannot be cancelled. You will have to pay late charges only.

Jameel Mughal® replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 04:18 PM PST 

20% Compounded with almost Double in 3.5 years, Like you have 5 merla Plot and if you pay in time you pay 9 Lac, If you defer the payment 3.5 then about 17 Lac will be due and will keep increasing every year 20% Compounded, At the end of 8,9 years may reach price of plot then DHA will take over and sell in Auction to cover its cost.

Tayyeb replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 04:36 PM PST 

Thanks Ijaz and Jameel Mughal Sahib. Appreciated for the valuable reply.

Arsalan replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 06:22 PM PST 

Dear Jameel Mughal Sb.
Yes, theoretically, the development charges and penalty on them can reach your market price of the plot during the next 8-9 years, provided that the price of the plot does not increase during this whole period. But, wait a minute, why are you assuming that the price of the plot will remain stagnant for so long.

I am afraid DHA may be using another price benchmark (like DC value) to decide auction of the plot.

Tayyeb replied on Monday, June 13, 2016 11:00 PM PST 

Thanks Ijaz and Jameel Mughal Sahib. Appreciate your valuable input.

Jameel Mughal® replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

Dear Arsalan, I wish property Continue Giving same return as it is giving for last 6 months, But Cumulative performance of property for 10 years or so is not more than 17 to 18 Percent

Not agreed replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 02:56 AM PST 

in 10 years only 18 percent? not agreed

Not agreed replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 02:59 AM PST 

you must write cumulative of 10 years 18 percent per annum

Tayyeb replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 04:00 AM PST 

Jameel Mughal Sahib has excentrally and succinctly responded to the query which at least I have fully understood. When message is clear we should not start splitting the hair as it does not add any value and to certain extent discourages the knowledgable persons to share their views, facts and insight. It is therefore requested to remain positive and take benefit of the knowledge and wisdom of forum members some of which are already identified.

Arsalan replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 04:49 PM PST 

OK Mughal Sb.

With due respect, may I request you to please just calculate compounded value of Rs. 40 Lac (price of 5 marla plot)at 17% for 10 years and then calculate compounded value of Rs. 9 lac (development charges for 5 marla plot) at 20% for 10 years and see the difference.

All i am saying is that with your assumption of auction of plot for recovery of developmental charges only when total charges (including penalties thereon)gets equal to market price price, DHA will have to wait forever. So this assumption is probably not tenable.

Zulfiqar replied on Sunday, February 25, 2018 02:36 PM PST 

Can anyone let me know if the development charges for phase 9 can be paid from abroad.
Zulfiqar.

Mumtaz khan replied on Saturday, August 29, 2020 03:14 PM PST 

Sir I have booked my 500 residential plot and I didnt pay only 4 installments till 2019 June so what will be the penalty on it ?
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Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:44 AM PST 
PRISM COMMERCIAL

Dear friends, I have been trying to buy plot in Commercial Prism CZ1, 8 Marla on 150 road and also looking for OVAL complex 4 Marla outer circle.

I was hoping to buy at good price, but they are not only going up and up but also extremely hard to find a real seller.....,

Are they over priced right now ? What is the predicted price in next 1 year for these 2 hot commercial locations ? waiting will help or further make them out of reach ?

COMMENTS please

thanks

Tayyeb replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 03:09 PM PST 

You are right, the price is unbelievably high and further going up. Really at odd to understand the whole scenario. But it looks price will not revert but who knows?
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Saturday, May 14, 2016 10:45 PM PST 

Hi I need advice i have 4 plots in Dha phase 7 Y block .I am thinking to sell them all and buy Phase 7 Commercial Plot either 4 marla or 8 marla depening on the price .i got 2 1 kanal plots and 2 10marla plots total worth 3crore 50 lakhs ..should i wait so my resedential plots get more appreciate .I m not sure when is the right time to buy Commercial .i have these R esedential plots for 4 years now .
jazakALLAH

Faisal® replied on Saturday, May 14, 2016 11:33 PM PST 

Though I am not expert but for me following are the pros & Cons:

1. Commercial always give more profit. Why don't you think to take Rahbar Phasee 2 Commerial 4 Marla (2 Files)?
2. In case you need some money, you have to sell entire plot having huge worth.

Consider this while taking your decision.

hell replied on Saturday, May 14, 2016 11:58 PM PST 

Where the hell did you get so much money from

Jk replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 12:07 AM PST 

Bhai jaan please don't listen to anyone. You can't compare phase 7 and rahbar. For maximum return on your investment I advise you to please don't make any changes in your investment. Just give this another year to two and you will see that your kana phase 7 plots prices will be very close to phase 6 and 8 prices.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 12:30 AM PST 

Try commercial sell and buy in phase 7 commercial

Tayyeb replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 01:29 AM PST 

@ Mustafa. Can you please elaborate a bit as to how Phase-7 plots are underpriced and price expected to rise. I intend buying a one Kanal plot in Phase 7, Sector X but have become double minded if it is the right choice over prism. Your input will be valuable and appreciated.

abdul Hayee replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 01:34 AM PST 

Dear bros lets wait and see market is on rapid rise and for phase 7 plot holders good news is that GAME ON HAE

Jk replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 02:30 AM PST 

I agree with subcon please don't sell your phase 7 plots. There is so much room to grow but commercial is already at high price. And my answer to hell Bhai in his post on top. Hell Bhai jab aap razayi Mai su rahay thay tu oversea investor aun thak mahnat kar rahay thay

Sharif replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 03:01 AM PST 

JK U r a one way ticket. I understand u can't mend ur unrealistic approach.

Ahmed replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 04:49 AM PST 

You can't match profit of commercial with residential. My advice to you is immediately sell your residential and buy Phase 7 commercial.

Shah replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 05:26 AM PST 

As a thumb rule, there is no comparison of commercial with residential regardless of which phase you are talking about.

If one has budget for commercial he/she must invest in commercial rather than residential. Phase 7 commercial is still way under priced compared to other phases of proper DHA. Drawing any sort of comparison between proper DHA with a low catagory off shoot like Rahber is incorrect. DhA prism commercial in CC1 and oval complex are correctly priced at the moment and have great location. While commercial file of prism which is over 310 is either over priced OR phase 7 commercial file is under priced. This is because the commercial files of prism will be adjusted in off locations as almost all prime locations in prism have already been balloted with cc1 and oval being the best locations. Off location file in prism is supposed to be at par with phase 7 commercial files which will be adjusted mostly in cc 4 of phase 7.

If one has no budget for commercial, phase 7 commercial file is a great choice at this time as the gap between prism file and 7 commercial will eventually close. Likely when ballot is announced for 7 commercial.

If one doesnt have budget for commercial it would always be more profitable to invest in 5 marla files/plots instead of kanal plots. Prism 5 marla file and plots are still good choices for investment.

Khalil replied on Sunday, May 15, 2016 01:17 PM PST 

JK is always wrong & misguide to people. The best buy now commercial property in DHA Rahber Phase 2, 4 marla (180 lach).
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Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:40 PM PST 

Hi dear all
Actually this is not property related issue,, but important to all of us specially (for overseas Pakistanis) who do their transactions through banks ,to settle realestate payments.

the banks (govt tax imposed) charging .6 percent to withdraw cash ( amt exceeding pk 50000)and .4 percent if through chq.

pls if some one know the way to save this hard earning money specially for overseas Pakistanis ,,

as I heard that their is no tax to sending money from abroad ,, how could we save this .6 percent and .4 percent.

pls advise

Mousa replied on Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:57 PM PST 

I am sending cash payment to pak though money gram up to 5 lakh from Ksa.No Tex imposed by banks.but for larg amount u need to show evidence to bank. There are overseas account u can open in pak bank.i yhink that are exempt from texes.

aamer replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:52 AM PST 

Dear Mousa

I know that there is option of sending money through money gram/ western union or even through banks cash payments,, but after all FBI may inquire you,, if you buy or sell any investment/property,,

because their is no evidence of money transferred into your name or in your account..

Ahmed replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 01:02 AM PST 

Online evidence is always there with Western Union. You can make an online account. And FBI or any other authority has nothing to do with it as long as money is legal and it is transferred to you or your family. Nothing happens.

Ahmad786® replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 01:37 AM PST 

Keep your money invested in offshore company and send your money to any country as dividend or profits.

Faiz® replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

Dear,
First of all you have to enter you name in ATL list (active tax payer).You have to give some basic info about your assets to your tax lawyer, he will charge you 5000 t 10000 rs and your name will be appeared in ATL list
Once your name in ATL list then a lot of benefits like if buys a plot then tax is double if your name is not in ATL list and is half if your name is in ATL list.
Similarly if your name is in list then the charges in Pakistan bank to bank transfer through bank draft is zero so if you send money there is no charges for overseas transection and if you want to pay to somebody just pay by crossed cheque or bank draft then there will be no charges.
but yes you can not take cash more than 50000 one day then the bank will chagres.
I hope you understand.

Learning replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 03:11 AM PST 

Interesting discussion here. All the participants above have spoken but the very answer Mr. Aamer needs to know is still nowhere. Aamer & Ahmed is it FBI or FBR? Clarify pl.

Ahmed replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 03:41 AM PST 

@Learning It is FBR, but aamer said FBI, so I too used FBI for his understanding! FBR is Federal Board of Revenue.

And I have pretty much answered his question. In short, use Western Union online, everything will work.

Tayyeb replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 04:24 AM PST 

Here there are two questions. First regarding WHITE money to which I will reproduce the relevant section 111 (4)(a) of income tax ordinance 2001 of Pakistan which states "to any amount of foreign exchange remitted from outside Pakistan through normal banking channels that is encashed into rupees by a scheduled bank and a certificate from such bank is produced to that effect". For sure money remitted through banks and exchange companies especially from middle east and deposited into a bank account in Pakistan is white money. Secondly, the question of deduction of 0.6% withholding has been explained in detail by @Faiz. Here in UAE, National Bank Exchange issues rupees denominated Pay Order of any amount which can save the withholding deduction if the same is issued in Pakistan by a bank.

L@hore replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:23 PM PST 

@Tayyeb Sb,
thanks for explanation!!
but i have one more question as you quoted relevant section on income tax ordinance,
Is it necessary to encashed foreign remittance into rupees from bank in order to avoid tax on that income?
How about if money is white and is coming through proper bank channels in to any foreign currency account in any local Pak bank but we withdraw foreign current rather than encashment from bank in PKR?
Do need to pay tax on such foreign remittance case?
thanks.

aamer replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 02:10 PM PST 

sorry its FBR ,,
THANKS of feedback.

Tayyeb replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 03:09 PM PST 

Foreign Currency remitted into bank has then to be encashed by the scheduled bank. As an example, you remit $ 100,000 into your Dollar account in Pakistan if these are converted into Pakistan Rupee by teh scheduled bank it will remain WHITE. However, if your withdraw dollars and get it converted into Pakistan Rupees from any dealer / exchange (as the rate is higher in open market and there is an incentive for this) and not the bank, it will no more remain WHITE. This is my interpretation and understanding, you can confirm from some one else also to be 100% sure.

HussainD® replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 03:38 PM PST 

Getting money exchanged from an authorized money changer will still be a white money if you have proper documents, proof of receiving money in bank account and then receipts of exchange, etc. Money does not change colour so easily and quickly that t will become black if you do not exchange it by a bank. lol

HussainD® replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 03:44 PM PST 

And you cannot save WHT on cash withdrawal but you can save WHT on transfer and issuance of instruments if you are on ATL (as mentioned above). To be on and to remain on ATL you need to have a NTN and submit your tax return every year. I live overseas and have an active NTN. I transfer money to my FC account and sometimes to my PKR account and do not pay withholding tax on pay orders and cross cheques as I am on ATL. I hope it helps.

Tayyeb replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 04:28 PM PST 

@HussainD. It is advised to keep the remarks like "lol" to your self as it is a serious discussion and not a joke. Whether the money changes color or not one only finds out when he is taxed unnecessarily due to an unprofessional advise. Do not misguide others by presumptions, tax law is very clear and there are no two interpretations that the encashment has to be from a "scheduled bank" and money changers are not scheduled banks.

aamer replied on Monday, April 25, 2016 04:41 PM PST 

Thanks to all brothers

I am living in Kuwait,, from Kuwait may I get NTN ( IF I ASK SOME ONE IN PAKISTAN TO GET HELP OF ANY TAX LAWYER)..

COZ AS I MENTIONED ABOVE I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN LAHORE ,, WHEN I WITHDRAW SOME AMT THROUGH PAYORDERS BANK THEY CHG ME .4 WHT...

HussainD® replied on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 01:08 AM PST 

babloo bhai mind kyoun kerta hai, tu professional munshi ban ja meri khair hai, mujhay es tarah ka koi shauk nahi
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Monday, April 4, 2016 03:43 AM PST 
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Saturday, January 30, 2016 07:41 AM PST 

This post is in continuation to my previous post “Platinum Investment DHA” posted in June 2015. I did my investments there and recommended it. It doesn’t make sense that I invest in one place and recommend other places. You can search my post on Google or on this website Ref. 90354.

I highly recommended Phase 8 S; on my short trip in June 2015 the plot in Phase 8 S-650 to S-656 was around 110 lac and now it is around 145-150 lac profit of 35-40 lac in 6 months. Yes in 6 months only. I recommended Phase 7 Upper Cutting; the plot in Phase 7 U-465 to U-470 was around 100 lac and now it is around 115-120 lac profit of 15-20 lac in 6 months. I also recommended Phase 5 M the price at that time was around 110 lac now at 140 lac profit of 30 lac that too in 6 months. All of my three recommended investments made handsome profit. Yes, I was strong opponent of Phase 9 (Prism). Based on past history of DHA I believe it promises to you end up giving it to your generation. Based on location, popularity, master planning it will be the best phase in DHA BUT I will still invest in Prism after 5 years when I see things on ground no matter what the price will be.

To make it clear; I am not even 1% to respected Mr. JameelMughal, Mr. Ahmet, Mr. Habib and Mr. CMY. You all are my mentor and I learned a lot from you in short span of time. I am young, in property business for less than a year, doing Ph.D in electrical engineering abroad and studied “Real Estate Investment” from professors of one of the best business schools in world. But academic knowledge does not apply exactly in practice especially in Pakistan. Sometimes it doesn’t hurt to listen to sophomore. Sometimes beginners and new entrants set the market trend as if everyone is expert and knowledgeable then there are no undervalued areas and unpredictability disappears.

Phase 8: The top location plots in phase 8 are more than 2 crore. The possession is expected in 1 year so juice is still left. Those who are thinking to sell Phase 8 and buying 1.5/2 kanal in Phase 7 or 1.5/2 kanal in Phase 9. Please do not think so. You don’t know what you are holding. Phase 5 is the first phase who broke the “Psychological Barrier” of 3 crore. Phase 8 will be the first Phase to break the “Psychological Barrier” of 4 crore. Top most location of Phase 8, excellent development, expect very good surprises by DHA in empty land between T and S block in future. Those who have investment there it’s worth it to hold it. It is still a long a way to reach maturity phase. Phase 8 is true love.

Phase 6: Those who are holding Phase 6 please help yourselves and your neighbors’ i.e. Phase 7. You can sell your plot at some premium and can buy 1.5 to 2 kanal (by adding some money) in Phase 7. High chances are that you will earn more profit by doing this.

Phase 7: The stigma of location (pocket, village, Indian border) is there and will haunt Phase 7 for a long time. At the same time it is the only low value investment in developed plots. There is another nail in the coffin i.e. hype created by the builders and developers as rightly said by Mr. JameelMughal and Mr. Habib. I believe, it will gradually start from blocks adjacent to Phase 6 like R, S and W block which may trigger the prices and this trend will be followed to other blocks. Those who are holding Phase 7 for last 1.5 year there is just an increase of 1-2 million and at the same time Prism gained significantly that too with less investment. So, it’s really frustrating and every time you hear is a wait for 6 more months. So, if you fed up, holding a good location plot you can sell it, add some money and buy in Phase 8 Or buy in other undervalued areas may not be in Lahore may be in Rawalpindi/Islamabad. Diversity! Don’t sell Phase 7 plot in order to buy in phase 9 at least not now. I see 10-15% steady rise for at least 2 years.

Phase 9: Don’t compare Prism with Phase 7. The comparison of Prism should be done with Phase 8 or Phase 5. Top location, Best Master Planning, Ring Road, Theme Park, Largest Phase, Huge Commercial! Where? – On Papers! But it has the promise and potential to be the best phase of DHA. The area is huge, task is complex so wait. After few years situation will be clear! Yes, Prism has gained significantly as compared to all others that too with less investment. I wish it will continue to rise at same pace till maturity. Those who have investments there All the best!! I don’t want to get into a technical debate of global financial crisis, economic downturn, elections; end of IMF program, the borrowed money has to be returned as well, debt-to-revenue ratio should be capped at 350%, beyond which it wouldn’t be sustainable. Currently, in Pakistan this ratio stands at an alarming 523%. By 2018-19, the debt-to-revenue ratio will be over 750%. Investors assuming that next 10 years will be very smooth! Insha’Allah it will be. I salute to all Prism investors for being so optimistic. Anyways, long term holders in Prism will never loose. Prism is future and future is bright! There are some people in this world who wants to play in present and near future!

Phase 5 M: Hold it! Wait for possession and build your dream house.

New investors! I lived in Islamabad for 3.5 years during ; I have seen the prices of D-12, E-11 14 Marla rose from 1 crore to 3 crore. House prices in F-7, F-8 in tens of crore. Rents are so high. Apartments are crore +. Bahria Enclave 1, Islamabad is very good location. I know this place. 15-20 mins drive from Serena Hotel. The good location 10 Marla plot in Sector A, developed, possession available is around 80 lac. I believe it is one of the best investments one can do. In Islamabad such location, facilities and price is worth it. Ideal for living as well as for investment. As Mr. CMY said, invest in on-ground plots in Bahria instead of files. So, 10 Marla possession plot in Bahria Enclave 1 Sector A is highly recommended. It’s a must visit. If I have the money I definitely buy one plot here. It has the potential to double within 3 years.

Second good investment is in Naval Anchorage, Islamabad. It is bit off the road the price of 1 kanal is around 80-90 lac. It is a secured gated community maintained by Pakistan Navy. I haven’t visited the place recently but it is recommended to me by my close friends and relatives. So, if you have time and energy to visit the place and observe on ground realities do so and please let us all know.

Summary

Phase 8 (Hold it! It will be first phase to break the “Psychological Barrier” of 4 crore)

Phase 6 (Sell it! Buy 1.5-2 kanal in Phase 7, help yourselves and your neighbors)

Phase 7 (Either Hold it! Wait for developer and builder hype OR Sell it! Add money and buy in Phase 8 OR other undervalued areas)

Phase 5 M (Hold it! Wait till possession)

Phase 9 (Potential Candidate of another “Psychological Barrier”, Worth it to hold Prism investments for long term)

For ISLAMABAD

Bahria Enclave 1 Sector A 10 Marla (Highly Recommended, Visit First Then Decide)

Naval Anchorage (Recommended, Visit First Then Decide)

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khan replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:38 PM PST 

Good one! Cheers!

Tayyeb replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:43 PM PST 

@Qasim. Thanks for taking time out to share your well structured thoughts and those too with clarity. Whether one agrees or not, a highly professional posting with ample food for thought. Look forward to see more valuable postings from your end. Keep it up.

Question replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 02:18 PM PST 

Please can you explain why PHASE 7 10 marla plots in lower cutting near to BRB canal are available @ 70 to 80 lacs

Khan replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 02:38 PM PST 

Good assessment but you overlooked DHA 9 Town. What is you stance on these plots

EJ replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 02:47 PM PST 

test

opnion replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 05:37 PM PST 

@ Qasim if you consider 1% of CMY then according to CMY phase 8 holder must switch to prism 9 immediately if phase 8 holders do not want to construct houses. so i will go with CMY

opnion replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 05:38 PM PST 

consider yourself*

opnion replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 05:44 PM PST 

DC rate of phase 9 one kanal is 20 lac so we can save advance tax as it is applicable on property worth more than 30 lac plus cvt stamp duty is also low in case of prism

Saleem replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 07:30 PM PST 

CMY's recommendations were more logical & realistic. Phase-6 & 8 have already gained a lot. With further gains, finding any buyers would be a challenge. Farewell to these locations and re-investments in areas where prices have yet to gain, seems right choice.

Imran replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 08:02 PM PST 

Interesting perspective. Its good that people provide differnt perspectives because most of the posts, people are only interested in their plot evaluation.

Abc replied on Saturday, January 30, 2016 08:04 PM PST 

@ Qassim
Please let us know how many villages pockets
Are in Phase 7 vs Phase 9
Similarly how many working factories in phase 9
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Azi replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:44 AM PST 

Dear Mr. Qasim....thanks for useful analysis...however it is omitting mention of small investors like me...you are talking of 'crores' only....what should a poor man holding 1.5-2 million do?...we are then left with no option but to invest in prism...

Jameel Mughal® replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:44 AM PST 

I think it is Good Fact based analysis, No two investments match each other and have positives and negatives. We can only make informed guess and can make comparisons based on ground realities and comparisons, People who disagree should come up with logic and critical analysis. This is the only way we learn from each other.

Habib replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:44 AM PST 

Nice article and Good Opinion a bit of difference

In my opinion it is not near future Kanal will reach 4 Cror in Nice ready places it will be 2 Cror even phase 5 may revert Back to 2.25 averge

For New Investor I will say Diversify in phase 7 upper cutting and 9 [Only underpriced areas], DHA Town and Phase 8 S Block. About 7 I am telling becuase in 3,4 ys time there will be no place to make home excpet phase 7, Then phase 8 will come, Phase 8 construction activity will be very very slow, Only builders kick start home making, They will never make home in 2 basement deep Land in Phase 8. Their budget for Construction is only 90 Lac. Level Plot Notebaly S will be populated earliest and that is why it is gaining before it was rated 3rd class as it was bit isolated, Phase 8 Constuction in hot Blocks will be slow Like L Block of phase 5, [Depth was issue there as well] It does not mean price will drop but will be stagnat and in areas of Construction activity it will grow.
Prism Low Priced Blocks have Lot of room to grow and I tell you 5 Merla is way underpriced than Kanal due to small investor who dont want to pay development charges there is massive supply. Other wise 2, 5 Merla plot price is equal to Kanal in all phases of DHA no matter 5,6 or 7. Never in history DHA Gave such nice Locations to 5 Merla as in phase 9, dont ignore that.

Asad replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:44 AM PST 

Haha. What a pretentious post. What has debt to revenue got to do with prism? DHA is not even a government owned society so what is the writer babbling about? Secondly, PLEASE try to differentiate between an investor and a trader. It's pretty obvious that prism is a fantastic opportunity for investors while ph 7 will be the playing ground for traders in 2016. That sums it up. No need for obscenely long meaningless essays

wise replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:56 AM PST 

LIVING IN A Nuclear AGE and talking about Indian border ,ridiculous rather more than ridiculous.Phase 7 is best and will prove because it is completely developed. Phase 8 is full of noise pollution,prism is to be developed it takes time and it is long very long journey. Do not misguide innocent peoples.

Ahmet replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:57 AM PST 

Thanks Qasim, a good post though I disagree with a lot of things here - especially asking phase 6 investors switching to phase 7 when investments like phase 8, DHA Town, Prism, Ivy Green are available. Also the relevance of IMF program to Prism? Pakistan has always been on an IMF program :) Also on ratios, to be honest ratio analysis are good only when deriving the market value of a company but a quick ratio analysis of a country without understanding the dynamic of its economy and debt structure isn't of any use. Pakistan's debt has increased significantly during Nawaz's era but its just $70b which is peanuts for a large country like Pakistan. I wouldn't worry too much about a $70b debt when there are countries with AA+ credit rating with debts of 10s of trillions. Also do not forget the CPEC! ;)

AMS replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:57 AM PST 

Thanks for your indepthe analysis and recommendations. What is the potential of followining locations in Isalamabad and Lahore:

- DHA Phase 2
- G14, G15,G16,F15
- Baharia Enclave 1
- Park Enclave

Lahore:
- Phase 8, Ivy Green
- Broadway commercial
Regards,
Mumtaz

Dawood replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:57 AM PST 

Detailed analysis, however slightly biased on growth potential of phase-8 (especially its S-Block) in comparison with phase-7. If phase-7 is close to Indian border, how far are phase-6 and Phase-8. As regards high prices in any phase, it is meaningless if it attracts very selective category of rare buyers or has no buyer at all, and in such situations the investments get blocked.

Danial replied on Sunday, January 31, 2016 07:57 AM PST 

Whether one agrees or not, excellent analysis and views. Keep it up and frequent contributions on the forum will be helpful.

Khawaja Qasim® replied on Monday, February 1, 2016 12:11 AM PST 

@wise @Dawood; I am strong proponent of Phase 7. I believe in this area and I know the potential of this place. I mentioned those who are fed up of Phase 7 can diversify! I recommended Phase 6 plot holders to invest in Phase 7. I have one plot in Phase 7 and I am keeping it. Worst case! If it didn’t appreciate well, I will build a house there and will play in DHA or Bahria or other undervalued areas with my expansive plots. My stake is small and I have an exit plan. There are people here who have high stake and Phase 7 didn’t performed that well in for last one and a half year. I agree 100% Phase 7 holders are right but at the same time you can’t deny the perception or stigma and Indian Border thing is rubbish! But instead of being stubborn and keep doing your loss, don’t you think it’s time to reevaluate, diversify your investments as Mr. Habib said. Think about Bahria Enclave 1, Naval Anchorage Islamabad, Phase 8 and DHA Phase 9 Town and IVY Green as Mr. Ahmet said. Don’t panic, don’t rush but do think be flexible!
@Dawood; No, I ranked Phase 8 S on top of my Platinum Investment and it proved right gain of 35-40 lac in 6 months! In this post I am proponent of Phase 8 in general not one particular block
@AMS, I am sorry, I only know few areas whom I talked about. I don’t have information about the areas you asked
@Ahmet; Thank you very much for your comments! I take your words very seriously and I will discuss each point in detail with Economics professor. The economic factors were written in good faith and I didn’t talked anything negative. I left the open question to audience to find out whether economic factors of Pakistan will affect the property market (esp. developing Phases) in general or not? My apologies I wrote them in the Prism section am in process of gathering information and data regarding DHA Phase 9 Town and IVY Green. The only safe place I know was Phase 7. May be (if possible) you can spare some time and write a post about DHA Phase 9 Town and IVY Green and talk about the future prospects. Lot of people wants to know about these two areas in general. May be your fresh post will help.
@JameelMughal; Thank you for your comments!
@Habib; Thank you for your comments! You talked about diversification of investment! Time for investors to think about!
@Azi; you touched a very sensitive subject and is close to my heart; In fact I was planning to write a detailed post on “Beginner’s guide to Real Estate Investment”. But your direction is right; you have to start with small investments first. The time to enter and exit the market is very critical. Investment at right time and at right place. Beginners due to small stake can take high risk as compared to mature investors. It reminded me of my time; I started with zero but later assisted by parents, I did 3 part-time jobs (teaching, tuitions and security guard) simultaneously that too during my MS studies at UK. I invested in 5 Marla plot in Bahria at 9.5 lac after 2 years it was above 3 million. I am a beginner (less than 1 year in Lahore market) and need to do lot of research but it will be better if respected Mr. Habib, Mr. JameelMughal and Mr. Ahmet write a detailed post, share their experiences and help small investor in building their assets.

Zeeshan replied on Thursday, February 11, 2016 08:36 AM PST 

DHA Town and IVY will be going best investment in near future. And Prism will be also good but some blocks will take hype soon like 05 marlas R & J and Prism will take at least 6 years to come in possession and may come out from our dreams.
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Thursday, January 7, 2016 09:29 PM PST 
Investment Portfolio Advise - Rs 60 Million (6 Crore)

Dear Forums Members. I have followed your comments and assessments during last few weeks and found those useful. As I am not too much familiar with ground realities, being outside Pakistan. I needed advise for investing Rs 6 crore for next 5 years. What can be the options in terms of mix - societies (DHA/Raiwind Road etc), plot size and commercial / residential? Your advise will be highly appreciated enabling me to make an informed and rationale decision, whether right or wrong that only time will tell.

Iqbal replied on Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:25 PM PST 

8 Marla commercial in civic zone 1 150 feet road phase 9

Tayyeb replied on Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:49 PM PST 

@Iqbal. Is it fine to put all eggs in one basket i.e. Just one commercial plot? What would be the price and what would be the expected gain after 5 years?

Ashfaq replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 12:00 AM PST 

Insha Allaah, in five years price would be more than double plus annual rent would be more than 1.25 crores. do not think to much.

Amjed Malik replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 12:08 AM PST 

Prism 9 zone 1 commercial 8 marla property are hot cake nowadays, difficult to find plot in 150 road @ 650 Lac. Very nice fruit full feature investment. Prism zone1 8 marla plot in main 80 fit road are also good choice.

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 12:51 AM PST 

@Amjed. What about a 4 Marla commercial in Prism and remaining in redidentisl? This will be diversified portfolio.

Hussain replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:09 AM PST 

@ Tayyeb, I was going to suggest the same and then I have a look at your above comment. 4m commercial + something else preferably not in Prism would be good diversification.

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:16 AM PST 

@Hussain & My. What about a 4 Marla Commercial in CZ-1, One Residential in Phase-7 (which phase???), one residential in Fazaia and one residential may be in Sui Gas

Iqbal replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:20 AM PST 

@Tayyeb other good option can be 4 Marla commercial oval complex inner circle phase 9 (current value around 3 crores) and one phase 6 E block commercial file of 4 Marla (valued around 280 Lacs currently). If you can afford 4 Marla commercial file of Phase 6 Main Boulevard which is valued around 380 Lacs, that is even better. Currently the main boulevard 4 marla commercial plots of Phase 6 are selling around 7 to 8 crores.

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:32 AM PST 

@Iqbal. Thanks. The options you mentioned in Phase-6 seem attractive. How you view the future of Phase 6 E Block Commercial? What about investment in 8 Marla CZ-2 Phase 9 as I suppose it will be less expensive? And finally any comments on Park View 8 Marla Commerical future? Await your valuable input.

Iqbal replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:47 AM PST 

Zone 2 commercial 8 marla is valued around 4.5 crores currently. This is also a good investment but I would recommend to go for commercial in zone 1 (whether 4 marla or 8 marla) or oval complex inner. Phase 6 Main boulevard is more promising. The above options seem more attractive than Park view option

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:55 AM PST 

Just one simple query. The current price at MB, 4 Marla plot is 7-8 crore while file is 3.8 crore. How much expected time will it take for the file to be converted into plot or it is totally DHA's sweet will?

Iqbal replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 01:58 AM PST 

If you want to diversify, i would suggest to go for 4 marl aoval complex inner. Rest can be invested in top location plots in phase 9. I amm recommending phase 9 because it has good potential to grow in future and curretly prices are low.

Tufail saudia replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

My advice in your budget is only prism zone1 main 150 fit then 80 fit road 8 marla plot. Get it before late as supply is limited in prism zone 1 commercial 8 marla plot.

Ali Islamabad replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 02:09 AM PST 

If you have little time, prism 9 property zone 1 commercial 8 marla has best investment.

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 02:10 AM PST 

@Tufail. What will be the tentative price for 8 Marla Commercial on 80 feet and inside the complex?

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 02:15 AM PST 

@Ali. Hope you would not mind substantiating your basis of statement especially how much time frame we are talking about? As I am fine with 5 years time frame to invest and forget.

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 02:16 AM PST 

@Iqbal. Can you please advise and assess on residential plot investment in Phase-7 Vs Phase-9?

Ahmet replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 04:34 AM PST 

If I had 60 million, I wouldn't think twice before investing in Prism 8 marla commercial. Look at 'any' DHA Lahore commercial prices in the last two decades and you'd be able to predict it's future.

Tufail Malik replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 11:05 AM PST 

Tayyab bhai prism zone1 8 marla plot on 80 fit road are nearly 560 to 600 lac depending location. Very good location and investment in this budget.

Tayyeb replied on Friday, January 8, 2016 08:33 PM PST 

@Ahmet. So you suggest to put all eggs in one basket. The plot is already 5 -6 crore, were the comparable plots at the same price at the same stage of development in other phases? What will be your assessment of the price in 5 years irrespective of status of development works?

Ahmet replied on Saturday, January 9, 2016 03:46 PM PST 

I agree with the diversification of portfolio and putting your eggs in several baskets rule but only if your diversifying across regions. If your investing all in DHA Lahore, invest in something which will surely give you the gains you need. DHA Lahore commercial has 'never' disappointed anyone unless they bought it a very mature stage. Even then they would've made some. The reason I'm in Lahore property is because I want to buy a well located 8 marla commercial plot in DHA one day where I can build a Plaza. Do not let go of this opportunity if you have the funds. Prism commercial prices will only go up.

Khalid Mehmood Awan replied on Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:35 AM PST 

Prism Zone 1 commercial 8 marla plot is best in this budget, 150 or 80 fit road perfect choice.
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Saturday, December 26, 2015 04:09 AM PST 
DHA Pentasquare Prices Available Now.

Penta square apartment booking prices now available

PentaSquare apartment booking prices are now available



Flat rate to be charged for every size floor. Rate is rs. 13,900 per square feet. 5 % extra for facing green areas & 10 % extra to charges in case for corner apartment. Each apartment to have one driver accommodation and parking spot in basements of the buildings. Entire projects including 35 shops and 15 office spaces will have about 62% green areas out of this full 79 kanal most prime commercial land project in DHA Lahore phase 5. Shops and offices to be launched separately in mid 2016 with remaining apartments after phase 1 booking of just 77 apartments. At this time ony 77 apartments to be booked out of total 306. No online booking available. Some one on your behalf can book it in dha pentsquare booking office.

Rs. 100,000 to be paid at the time of booking on Dec 31st 2015 at PentaSquare booking office. No cash allowed. Only pay order in favor of “DHA Lahore PentaSquare”

After token money of one lac 15% more will be paid for confirmation before jan 31st 2016. Remaining 85% amount will be paid in 10 installments after every 3 months.


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Tayyeb replied on Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:00 AM PST 

Is it first come first served basis or there will be a ballot? Secondly, can any one comment on the rate per square foot declared.

MM replied on Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:35 AM PST 

first come first served basis.

Tayyeb replied on Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:03 PM PST 

Then unless one stay overnight in the que in the open outside office else there is no chance.

Abdullah replied on Saturday, December 26, 2015 04:57 PM PST 

With such high prices, would it be beneficial to purchase apartment for short time investment?

Hassan replied on Saturday, December 26, 2015 06:16 PM PST 

What is the expected full price of 1, 2 and 3 bed apartments in total?
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