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Tax from tomorrow onwards,

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Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:15 AM 

CGT is the tax that will topple the market. Not the Advance tax for increased DC rate nor the increase in registry etc. There are two opinions about this tax:

1. Govt has announced that it will be 10% of market value of property
2. Principally and logically it should be applicable to the profit proceeds on sale of property (cost of buying - sale price = profit)

However either ways, its a complete disaster.

For sale of a Kanal plot in DHA from Phase 1 to 8 which was bought and registered in last 5 years, with a current average market value of 2 Crore Rs, seller will be paying Capital Gain tax as below:

1. If 10% of market value then CGT levied alone on this plot is 20 lac Rs !!! So sell the plot of worth 2 crore and pay 20 lac as Capital Gain Tax !!!

2. A slightly lesser but equally devastating option would be to compute CGT on the actual gain (cost - profit basis) by below formula:

CGT = 10% of (MVP (Market Value of Plot) - DVP (Declared Value of plot at the time of purchase))

DVP (Declared Value of Plot declared at the time of property purchase in last 5 years) = DC Rate Value at the time of purchase = approx 70 Lac/Kanal (Average DC Rate for DHA Phase 1-5 for last 5 years)

So CGT would become = 10% of (MVP (2 Crore) - DVP (70 Lac))

= 13 lac Rs

Also remember that 1% advance tax will be added on top which will be 2 lac in this example. So total tax paid (including registry/transfer and stamp duty)= minimum 20 lac to 30 lac on a sale of every 1 kanal plot in DHA Phase 1-8 from tomorrow onwards


God help us all !!!!
:o

tax replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:20 AM 

After Eid time to come out on roads against these criminal league

ayla replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:30 AM 

Time for some action against Dar n shreef chor and gang of looters

Habib replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:37 AM 

Dear Shah, we are creating unnecessary panic. Sky will not fall with this Much Tax Don't Forget that 5 years Back phase 8 One Kanal Worth was 55 Lac for average Plot, Already People are Paying 10% withholding Tax on saving, Profit and National saving Scheme, Islamic saving etc for last 20 years, Same is true for Stock exchange gain [I am not sure about Rate] even then Stocks posted Max returns in Last 3 years.
So no worry for New/Long term Investors

Tip for People holding for 3,4 ys wait till 5 years Completed, You will have not to pay Tax this will Give More stability to Market.

Biana/ Open file will Continue as usual

I am Not sure about Affidavit Files this was favorite for Investors as rate of Transfer were minimal. How this will be affected on resale, I think affidavit file Business will cool down a Bit, I will; explain in detail in some Later post that how it will be effected by gain tax

Ghreeb Awam replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:39 AM 

logo jago, apanay haq kay leya.
These corrupt rulers want to suck each drop of blood from Awam use that for their treatment in London and take whole of their family along them for extended holidays.
Time for change, time for inqlab.

Ahg replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:52 AM 

Kis haq k liyae?

Yeah hamara haq hay k croron ki property per hum 0% tax dain?

Habib replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:03 AM 

Shah Sahib, already on one year holding 5% CGT Tax is due for last year. Did it result in any "Slump"?
There are only 10 % Investors who are transferring the property paying all dues and selling in upto 3,5 years,
Short term Investors are not transferring at all and Long term investors are not selling with in 5 years,
Yes I say one or 2 out of 20 sellers will be affected and they were already paying, though less,

Real Estate is best replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:04 AM 

@Ahq nahe nahe yeh haq sirf ganja league ko hai k awam ka khoon choos kar paisa money laundring k throug bahir muntaqil karain you Patwari

Ahmad786® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:05 AM 

No one is denying paying any tax guys. But tax should be sensible. It looks like as if they have now share in every plot. Taxes are imposed and increased gradually not like , today it is 2lack and tomorrow it is 2M.

Shah® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:17 AM 

Guys
Despite being an investor myself, with a reasonably extensive portfolio of investments in multiple phases of DHA both in residential and commercial, and hence being a direct affectee of these newly imposed taxes, I still feel its in the best interest of the country to have the real estate income taxed. Although this tax is highly unlikely to give any benefit to common man or to the country itself, and will most likely end up in some off shore account in some far corner of the world somewhere, but the very fact that investments will likely be diverted towards a productive area of economy instead of this non-productive passive area of real estate is rather healthy for the country in the long run.

My only complaint and resentment however, is the way this has been played by Govt. Too much too soon. This should have been done gradually over 2-3 years. With enough reaction time to both buyers and sellers to make informed decisions and then diluting the increased burden by doing it in incremental steps.

The notice was so short that most people couldn't off load their investments in time before the closing of current fiscal year (non of the expats could come ti pak in such short notice to sell their plot) and from tomorrow onwards will come under the new tax net.

Just to give you an example example, I sold and transferred a one kanal plot today in Phase 4 and paid 76,000 PKR as the total tax on the sale being a seller.

On the sale of the same plot tomorrow, in less than 24 hours from now) on which I paid 76,000 tax today the tax imposed will be in the upwards of 20 lac Rs !!!!

Thats too big a shock wave to be sent to any market (real estate in this case) unless you want it completely collapsed for some reason. Only an idiot would impose 10% tax (from 0 % CGT practically in effect) over night. And idiots unfortunately are a dime a dozen here !

....of Idiots, by idiots,....for idiots.....

:)

Ahg replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:19 AM 

Wait for implementation...

Some people are just trying to create a hype...

If govt wants to takle black money being deposited in real estate....it should be appreciated...

Now look at cursing on this page....
Senseless cursing like 5 year olds....

Habib replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:36 AM 

Dear Shah, I agree with you except this Point

"The notice was so short that most people couldn't off load their investments in time before the closing of current fiscal year (non of the expats could come ti pak in such short notice to sell their plot) and from tomorrow onwards will come under the new tax net."

Market is too dynamic than our expectation 1000 dedicated sellers with deadline of 60 days can bring the Prism market to 40 Lac, And God knows when it would recover, This is blessing in disguise that it is imposed too rapidly and too secretly,

Now you will not see any major correction, may be a bit, or just Consolidation of gains. This is in interest of Investors and Country Because economy is just demand and supply game.

Ekrar® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:41 AM 

There are three type of investors in the market:
1. short term players keeping open file/biana: NO EFFECT OF TAXATION
2. LONG TERM holding for 5+ years : NO EFFECT NO EFFECT OF TAXATION
3. Medium term holding 1-5 years: WILL BE AFFECTED TO PAY HUGE TAXES!

These taxes are going to affect the business of property dealers THE MOST as there will be lesser sale/purchase and a plot sold once will vanish from market for at least a year!

Shah® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:47 AM 

Thank you agreeing Habib bro.

@ Ahg: The word you wanted to use in your post is rant, not curse........not really.
just my cents....for whatever they are worth ;)

Kureshi® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:10 PM 

I have checked with a few dealers and already a big protest is on its way.... The way this tax is implemented is brutal.

In other countries govt manages crisis and this govt creates crisis.

Thank you for knowledgeful discussions.

User_6006® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:28 PM 

I do not agree with habib sb , you people made good gains in life and cam say this ,just consider a person who is in 20s with little investment and can not hold plot more than 5 years neither he is so smart and fond of keeping plot open or get on bayana and find buyer in short time and sell , how he will earn good bread and butter. May be its dealer win win situation for people like cmy who work on just comission but he knew somewhere this taxes will harm those who benefit them most and this is y he will work for them in grabing good deals because in long run dealer will affected vy this most

Ahg replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:29 PM 

Shah@ thanks and appreciated

Arif M® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 02:15 PM 

Completely agree with all points made by Shah sb. It should have been done gradually. And yes this will boost up productive sectors but it will be disastrous for real estate sector.

I even do not understand why Ishaq dar too this step now when their term moving to end. If they wanted to boost productive sectors and create jobs then they should have taken these actions in start when they came into Govt. Makes no sense. Only reason I can think of is IMF and their loans.

Well wisher ( Plz Register) replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 02:27 PM 

Now the seller will consider actual rate as DC rate & sell the property in heavy margin considering heavy abnormal tax...what about the people who invented their hard earned white money in real estate? ??...dealers of whole market should record a massive protest against these theives of government after eid...for who long poor Pakistanis pay for interest of loans taken by these robbers for their offshore companies...it should be highly protested by dealers after eid

Well wisher replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 02:30 PM 

It should be highly protested by dealers after eid

Nadeem replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 03:20 PM 

Its going to be like a phone recharge card. Sharifs have engaged in massive borrowing surpassing all previous figures. Now IMF want taxes, its not only property - you will see gradually on every aspect.

MIT® replied on Thursday, June 30, 2016 04:05 PM 

No doubt we must pay taxes to 'our' government, BUT at some sensible rates not so unreasonably harsh and drastic one being imposed now to kill the hen once for all. Current rulers have pledged the country to the foreign loans so heavy that there is no way out now either tax the helpless people directly of any rate they want or go into default. The logic that now money will flow into private industries creating jobs is absolute nonsense in absence of basic requirement of energy etc. This capricious and unwise action of current rulers may add another nail in their coffin because overall DIRECT TAXATION in the country has squeezed a common man to its last limits. Even if it has been "passed" as a law by the Parliament by so called 'majority' of heavy mandate, the judicial reviews are imminent in such cases by Courts of Law to either set aside such draconian laws or direct the government to make it fair and sensible enough for the citizens to bear with.

RAMIZ replied on Monday, July 11, 2016 07:18 AM 

what are the sources of these CAPITAL GAIN TAX ?? FROM WHERE IT HAS CONFIRMED ??
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