I am reading this forum since yesterday and everyone has something to say. It shows people are panicked and worried about their investment. So am i.
But the way people are trying to deal with this is very immature. Some people are in DENIAL and keep telling themselves that there will be less sellers and more buyers so price can move up. Some people are way too happy with the TAX, not because it will benefit PAKISTAN but their prediction of correction is about to come TRUE, which btw they were telling us for the past one year and rates moved up 100%. Correction based on their views has not come. Correction will be because of unrealistic TAXES on property SALE and PURCHASE. According to them correction will be around 50% ( i do not hold this view ) and price will be more than their first call of correction. ALL in ALL it is just their self satisfaction and they are very open about it on this forum. Almost all of correction lovers are back after a period of few months.
Then there are people who are talking about a common man that he cannot build his house not even 3 marlas etc etc. It looks as if they are dying to give away their properties to the poor man to built their house yet they invest just like any other people and reap benefits.
To provide housing for a poor man is the government JOB and they have taken it further away. It will cost more for the end user to buy a house. As builders will now add CGT, more stamp duty, CVT, WHT as their COST and the COST to buy a house for end user will drastically RISE. On top of that he will again pay CVT STAMP DUTY when the house is transferred in his name.
All around the world properties are out of reach of common people. In first world countries it is out of reach of upper middle class as well. Everyone goes for a mortgage in those countries and over a span of 25 years pay for their house. Not a bad system when housing is out of reach of common people. In Pakistan government can start shariah compliant mortgage or what ever you can call it. This will also help a poor man when he could afford the mortgage and instead of paying for rent all his life he would be saving it in his house or apartment.
Correction even up to extent of 100% will not make it viable for a common man to make a house. it will still cost way more than his earning. ( i am talking about poor man according to this forum )
Trust me common man always finds it difficult to buy a house. Usually after retirement a house is made and their life long dream is fulfilled. You will find example in your surroundings. My grandfather built his house after retirement.
I strongly raise my voice against these unjust TAXES. I want the government to tax me but according to my earning not on the whole lump sum money which i have.
I refuse to let government be partner in my income to the extent of 70%. I am sorry i cannot let government ROB me like this. On 1 Crore sale of plot why should i pay them CGT at face value ? tax me at the difference or income which i generated from sale purchase @ 10% i will be willing to do it. i earn 15 lacs from a plot of 1 crore and give 11.5 lacs to the government ? WHY? i will not let it happen. For this even if i have to hold my property for 5 years i will but will not let government take away my money.
Already government is my partner in my income which i spend everyday to the extent of 25%. If i add on the income tax and property TAX it could move up to 50%. In return i get nothing. I provide for my children's education, medical, security etc etc, which is the governments JOB.
In countries where high taxes are levied you get few things in return. and some how you manage to satisfy yourself against those high taxes. I am unable to satisfy myself against these high taxes in PAKISTAN.
Now i will come to the last point on how to tackle this situation.
At least for me short term investment will be finished unless it is necessary. I will hold my property for longer period of time. As property is not my bread and butter and 70% property which i buy is for long term. Usually up to extent of 3-5 years. for the rest 30% i will be doing nothing until this matter is clear.
I will also take part in raising my voice against these taxes on different forums. Be it legal or protest, i will be part of it.
Right now it a game of wait and see. I cannot offload my holdings as i will be paying same taxes now or after 1 year. so i better stay put and see how things end up and move with the market as market is the best judge of people's sentiment.
NOTE: Stop blaming dealers or black money giants that they hype the market. MARKET is so HUGE that few people cannot hype the market. People who blame others are usually not successful in their lives, they are unable to see their own shortcomings and blame other people for their loss or any negativity in their lives. This is their way for dealing with their own failure. H Ali replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 02:32 AM
One of the only sensible piece I read here over the last 2 days. People need to chill and not panic. Panic can only make things worse for them. Over the medium to long run - the gains would still be there driven by strong fundamentals of the country and rapid urbanization. If you think about it, it's probably good that the very short term investors and the people who panic will be removed from the system at the expense of minor correction - and the prices are bound to come back in the medium to long term given the very strong fundamentals and the case studies of other similar countries. Please stay calm. |
MIT® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 02:32 AM
Sure: this new Tax by the Fed is going to be a big legal tussle under the 18th Amendment of Pakistan's Constitution. Just wait and see. Someone rightly said "they are their own worst enemy"....the history. |
User_PK9549® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 02:49 AM
I just don't know what to say. I love my country but these politicians and so called peoples leaders have made my life miserable in Pakistan. I am paying income tax, sales tax, advance tax, W.H tax, C.V tax, Stamp duties, and being a lay man I don't know what else tax on so many things without having any income. I made an NTN and got myself filed and still i don't know how to save my savings. Having nothing in pocket now i have to worry about getting a lawyer to make a case so that i can get few of these taxes refunded. I don't know some how people are happy here. Wether they are the " MAN KIND ANGELS" here or I am just one selfish man because I am getting poorer day by day. |
Nabeel® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 02:53 AM
Some very pertinent points. Thanks for sharing. |
Great advice replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 03:24 AM
http://www.fbr.gov.pk/budget2016-17/FinanceBill/Finance%20Bills%Final.pdf |
Khurram11® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 03:46 AM
I don't think this is a neutral view at all...in fact more out of panic and lack of understanding. If you have a Rs 1 crore plot and you earned 15 lacs then with CGT@ 10%, how taxes can be 11.5 lacs? CGT is capital gain tax and from its name its obvious it is levied on Income, not on Sale value. We are fearful of uncertainty and that's why everyone seems to be in so much panic. The end impact won't be that much from all the different taxes being discussed and property prices won't decrease much in my opinion. |
Abdal® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 04:01 AM
@Salman. Good points and views. There are no two argument that CGT is on difference or gain and cannot be levied on Sale Price. FBR knows the fact and will not try to be unreasonable but if so it will be a matter of 15 minutes in high court to correct this. Rest assured there can be a theft but not robbery in the case of CGT implementation۔ |
User_6006® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 04:13 AM
First tell me any single person in this fedral govt who paid tax , who earned halal , i will ask other to pay tax even that much if govt is not corrupt , is ishaq dar a stupid pig who think people are fool he admited money laundering how he can ask people to pay tax like this , day light robery because they are thieves can rob this is y these are not taxes but robbery |
Salman.A® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 04:44 AM
I understand what CGT is in its real terms i.e. difference between sale and purchase VALUE. But for past few years we have been paying CGT at a fixed rate of DC value which is usually lower than the market rate. Please check your past transactions for CGT. CGT all around the world and in our stock market is implemented on the gains but this was not the case on property transaction in Pakistan, It was fixed no matter you made a loss or profit. In the stock market the government introduced CGT in step up manner. In case of property it was implemented 2 days before the year end. We all will have to wait how this new CGT is implemented. |
Umer135® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 05:01 AM
If CGT is imposed on Profit Basis, I think our major concern would be resolved, otherwise transaction would be nose dived and provinces would be major loser along with DHA's and other societies. 10% CGT on Face value is quite ridiculous & unrealistic, FBR would eventually have to rationalize it. |
Salman.A® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 05:11 AM
CGT was collected at 10% for the difference or 2% of face value which ever is higher. This is my understanding. so even if you do not earn any profit when you sell within one month you still pay cgt at 2% DC value. |
Ahmad786® replied on Friday, July 1, 2016 08:06 AM
I have also taken back my plot which i was about to sale..... I thing government will see a sharp decline in even CVT and WHT on this CGT issue. Let them see the consequences |