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House construction in Islamabad,

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Friday, January 30, 2009 06:46 PM 

Dear brothers
I am planning to build a house in Islamabad on my plot at G-13/3 which I bought some time back. I seek advise and experience share from you brothers.
1- My plot size is 35 x 70
2- My plan is to build:
a- Basement on half of the plot with 2 bed, 2 bath and a kitchen
b- Ground floor: One bed, drawing/ dining, lounge, kicthen and two bath rooms
c- First floor: Three beds with bath rooms and lounge
3- As I am not living in Islamabad currently, I have to give contract to some builder

My questions:
A- What would be actual estimated cost of the house?
B- What should I pay to the contractor in total which will be reasonable as per current market rate?
C- Can anyone give me contact number of a good and honest contractor

Thanks for your valuable comments, advice and kind help.
Bilal Majeed, Riyadh

sbaig replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 07:14 AM 

I am based in KSA and have the same situation. Mr. Bilal could you send me an email at ; may be we could share 'thoughts'. thanks

Khawar UK replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 07:57 AM 

Mr Bilal and Mr Sbaig.

Chaudhry Muhammad Abbas
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e-mail:

Waseem Malik replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:45 AM 

Yousaf bhai, great contributions...many thanks

sbaig replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:50 AM 

Many thanks Mr.Yousaf, for your 'enlightning' input. Is there any reputed/professional 'construction firm' in Islamabad that can be entrusted with the job for the people like Mr.Bilal and me who are remotely based. Kind regards

Safwan Khan. replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:42 PM 

My house is almost complete in Zaraj Housing (Zone-5). Job extremely well done by our contractor. They started Feb 2008 and I am hoping we get the keys mid March. His information
Khurshid & Manzoor. Honest people. If any of you want to see the work, call them and ask to see our house.

Manzoor:

atiq raja. replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 01:49 PM 

my double basement house is 80 percent completed on one kanal house in e/11 it is a beatutifull design house and one of the beautifull house in e/11 , covered area is around 12000 sqft,4 unit house with 5 servent quaters seprat porch and entrances,i supervise my house there is no contracter no experence but very strick supervision and purchase of Aone material and selection of best by part contractors,keep in mind it is 100percent that the contracters wast your material and try to hair cheep labour,it is non sense that water is coming in basement through concreet walls,keep in mind if water acamulate and seep in soil,due to this water toch inside wall and seepage comes,thickness is not counts,it count the surface,be sure and make proper slop that water dont stand near to concreet wall.

atiq raja. replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 01:58 PM 

120 tasi kandi rate,I dnt belive,i think he will be use untrined labour.

shoaib ch. replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 02:13 PM 

could you please give me ur email address so that i can contact you about it

regards,

shoaib ch. replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 02:16 PM 

my contacts:
email:

cell#

replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 06:07 PM 

Sincere Advice:
Mr Bilal majeed few days back I gave an add ,I think u did not read that . please contact me for honest advice ,I have constructed many houses in Isl and Bahria town ,nothing to worry it is not a difficult job. I willhelp you thanks.



khan from canada replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 07:00 PM 

Muhammad Yusaf

Thanks for taking the time and sharing the very valuable info/ experience with the readers. Much appreciated.

Mohammad Yousaf replied on Saturday, January 31, 2009 07:46 PM 

Sorry Friends,

The rate quoted is Rs. 220 per sq ft NOT Rs.120. Actually the rate without basement was Rs.170 AND He asked for the basement Rs.40 extra, as He had to do all concrete walls and double shuttering for the basement walls plus other extra expenses for him in basement. The aggregate total came out @ Rs. 220 per sq ft. We made extra beams, you can call it as "semi Structural" building. Normally contractors do the column concrete mixing manually but we made him to do with machine which would cost him extra.

Rs. 220 is actually very good rate as my friends are now finding it hard to get the same quality of work at these rates.

now the dampness thing: If concrete is having good sand, good crush (no dirt) good cement, good mixing (no air bubbles left)and good curing and watering, after it gets dry, you make a pond of water on the other side and keep it for years. No water will ingress into the basement. It does depend on the wall THICKNESS also.
People have strange theories, such as do the 6" concrete, then make a 3" gap and then do the 4" brick wall. I am, challenging it being WRONG.In G-11 I can show you a house, just go see it if you wanna see for yourself.
Regarding suggesting a good contractor, the construction companies cost fortune and if you see them during construction, you will not feel happy.Again I would insist! get the Architect supervision and get any good guy, already working in DHA, you may find plenty, check their work physically, ask questions and get a good architect. Mine is DHA approved and the cheapest in the town. He charged me for the plan Rs. 100,000 plus supervision amount on monthly basis but like I said before, you can have his visits on critical stages and fix money as per one visit.
Zaraj is also having good standards and if they build at good rates, their work is nice as I have seen their villas in Zaraj, really nice ones but would they make at, let say Rs. 230 per sq ft, including basement?

Ordinary Guy replied on Sunday, February 1, 2009 10:28 PM 

@Mohammad Yousaf Saab. Thanks for your valuable comments. It's quite knowledgeable to knows who wanna construct house. But, I have one question out of context. You mention that you have budget of 1.7 to 2.0 Corer for the construction of your house. Man, you are a Pakistani Bill gates. Can I ask you what kind a business you have? coz you mention the almost all people are cheater, so I hope you are earning 100% Halal income. Please accept my apology in case of any harsh comment.

Mohammad Yousaf replied on Monday, February 2, 2009 02:13 AM 

Dear ordinary guy!

Thanks for your candid complements!!!
I have computer bzness in Pakistan and here in gulf, I am working in an oil field.I had to wait for 15 years of my halal income here in gulf, before I made myself able to start my house in defense!
I am a poor man, friend, not a Bill Gate? and where I said that ALL of Pakistanis are cheater? I said most of the construction material suppliers, who are sitting around BT and DHA are cheaters. Ask anyone who had experience with them, you will come to know? It seems you are somehow involved in this bzness or my comments just hurt you! I am sorry over it but facts are facts.My friend, I just started my house and it will take long time b4 it gets completed as I am also an ordinary guy like you!

You could have send me a mail, rather than starting this personal discussion openly here but since you challenged my honesty, I had to reconcile, here, too!
Another info to you; Honest people can also make billions and trillions. You do not have to cheat in making crores !


Happy!!!!!!

A.M.BUTT replied on Monday, February 2, 2009 05:53 AM 

Dear M.yousaf,

Yousaf Saib,

That is why i toled you no need to share your experience.

Mohammad Yousaf replied on Monday, February 2, 2009 10:56 AM 

Abdul Majeed,

My addreeses are NOT the people like, this gemtleman in question
I am receiving regular mails now and this is the best place to share experiences and reply those questions.

by the way, Butt Jee, where is your experience, most of us are now busy making our houses. I could call you but here I am making you morally responsible to come on and share your experience. You will also help me a lot as may be your comments will satisfy a lot of question, I am being receiving in my mail on a regular basis!

Ordinary Guy replied on Monday, February 2, 2009 11:40 AM 

Thanks for your nice response @ Mohammad Yousaf. But, unfortunately I never seen any honest Billionaire in Pakistan. All rich people came from certain mafia, and the truth is they portray them self as a noble person in the society.

Butt Saab, please don't be angry. Yousaf's experience is not that every Pakistanis is interested so. Bhai, It's not a miracle to make a house in 1.7-2 Corer. If you make it in 50-60 Lacs that something is a remarkable achievement. The construction style is Islamabad is too weak and too much expensive, if you compare it with Karachi even with Lahore. I am so expert in this area, but I've seen construction in Islamabad, so weak and in non-professional manner. The constructor doesn't install proper beams verses Columns/pilers. In some areas, I've seen very small sized beams which is surprised to see. Thats what we called "Choona Lagana." If one can have budget of 2 corer then why they use bricks. Why not using some latest trends/technologies for making walls like LCM which is so light weight and more reliable then bricks.

@ Mr. Bilal, I think you don't have budget of like 1 corer to built a 272 S. YRD house. I suggest you to 1st survey in Islamabad as well as in Karachi and Lahore and get some idea about the construction. Survey about the rates in all area and then negotiate. To be honest, most of the architects/ doesn't know the ideal structure needed to built a house. They just follow the trends, no research no innovation. If you need any assistance then I'll recommend you to some guys, who can help you in all matters, without cheating..etc.

Mohammad Yousaf replied on Monday, February 2, 2009 06:51 PM 

Respectable Ordinary Guy!

The purpose of this discussion is to share knowledge and experience.
I did what I could at the best of my knowledge, well the best of mine may not be good enough from your point of view. When you share things, always good things come up even out of bad ones!

You are such a knowledge person, why do not tell us something professional, rather than being cynical and worrying abut others crores and try to ponder upon how they have been made?

I wanted to start a discussion and let people come up with their ideas, then Mr. Naveed encouraged and added good things as He always does and I think it is becoming more and more productive, if we post only what we mean!

Cheers,

Ordinary Guy replied on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 04:49 AM 

@Mr. Yousaf, mostly of the people visiting these sites are just Middle class people. They don't have 2 corers like you. Thats the main problem. People like you not only give them wrong direction/suggestions but also effect on the market (Labor Market). Islamabad is not located in any heaven then why the rates are too high. Brother, just think 1st coz in Islamabad most of people like you living and show their money while make houses. Thats the reason the problem started. You are constructing House in Defense Phase 2, which is 25 KM far from Islamabad and even the land price is much cheaper then in any newly Sector of Islamabad, but sharing your 2 corer story will effecting the market harshly. People like us can make 35x70 house in just 30 Lacs, MAN! and with good quality material. It's because of proper management of money as well as the labor. Please think 1st whom you are guiding and then guide in proper means, like Musharaf Said. Daal nahi tu Chiken khaloo.....

MD replied on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 07:25 PM 

Yousaf sahib excellent view points for us pakistanais living abroad and facing the similar issue.

Ordinary guy can you kindly stop babling about other people hard earned money, Yousaf has alrady told you he is living abroad for past 15 years. Why are you even bothered about other people hard money and passing your judgmental comments??
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