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Please people think about what I am saying,

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Friday, February 6, 2009 01:21 PM 

Brothers we deserve what ever is happening to us right now, all this lost money in property people, disheartened. We for the past 60 years have been frauding each other weather its the Government or us regular people, from the simple grocery seller to a defense property dealer, so how can we complain now, I think we have lost the right to complain. I am 19 years old and I am utterly heart broken as to what kind of a country my elders have left for me to carry on with. We only go for the small fixes which give us a little money and in trun creates huge problems weather they be social or economic problems.

Pakistan Zindabad

:pkf :pkf

Khayyam replied on Friday, February 6, 2009 02:09 PM 

Masha-Allah Fahad.

You have achieved wisdom at a very early age. I always believed that the fist step to recovery is the self admittance of all faults. You have rightfully said that we have lost the right to complain. Just don't loose hope - it is kufar. Do the best you can, and leave the rest to Allah. We Pakistanis will come out of this slump once a majority of us will admit that we collectively (majority of us) are corrupt. It will then just take one leader amongst us to lead the rest of the faithful – Insha-Allah. Keep working hard with sincere honesty and keep praying. That is all you and I can do.

Reader replied on Friday, February 6, 2009 04:14 PM 

Fahad & Khayam - very thought provoking. I firmly believe that our main problem is not economic, its social as we have become a nation of munafakeen. All that matters is who knows who and how much money one has. If it continues like this, it is not very difficult to draw the logical conclusions.
Accepting the reality is indeed the first step and we are not even prepared to accept it. Majority %age of our poluation still believes that America, Israel and India are our enemies. Infact we are our worst enemies and nobody else has to do anything to harm us.

Ali3 replied on Friday, February 6, 2009 06:33 PM 

I agree 100%. No foreign armies came to Karbala but Muslims themselves caused their own greatest tragedy!

Safwan Khan. replied on Friday, February 6, 2009 07:53 PM 

Pakistan is in "downward" spiral. Trust me inevitability is right at the corner if "we" don't change. I dont have a crystral ball, just look at the history and you would know.

yessss replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 12:56 AM 

One individual cannot be blamed for what is going on in Pakistan. The everyday man of the street has NO power by himself, unless he throws a shoe at the right person !!! But, generally, the average man must join forces of tens of millions of others and join the long march or any other kind of MASS protest against the corrupt leadership of Pakistan and the selfish and dangerous desires of US, Izrael, and India. All those just mentioned will destroy Pakistan just as sure as this is 2009.

I applaud the 19-year-old for speaking out. Maybe he will be the next shoe thrower or Gandhi !! The answer is EITHER one brave individual or a group of millions who change the course of Pakistan.

Hamid,Toronto replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 04:50 AM 

Pakistani nation is a brilliant and genius nation on the earth. Nobody denies that reality. For example, in Norwegian and Canadian Govts called us “the most productive people on the earth”. The question is that why we cannot shine as a Pakistani nation. In my opinion, the mother of all crimes is POVERTY. Poor person does not have any religion or moral values. Besides the poverty there are quite few other things we need to work on them.

Please see the list below in priority order:

1) Poverty
2) Education
3) Lack of religion knowledge
4) Democracy

The questions are:
Who will be responsible to fix these issues?
Govt or common Pakistani Citizens?

On poverty and education side, you cannot say that GOVT is responsible to fix these issues. We all have to work together to accomplish these goals. How ?
I believe overseas Pakistani can play a significant role to work with GOVT or non GOVT organization to reduce the poverty and to increase the national literacy rate. I will discuss above mentioned four point one by one:

For Education:
Overseas Pakistani can work with following personality or organizations:

i) Shezad Roy ( Singer)
ii) Imran Khan
iii) Jawaad Ahmed ( Singer)
iv) Agaa Khan Foundation
I can dig some more organization.

For Poverty:
Overseas Pakistan can work with following organizations:
i) KhushKhali Bank ( Micro Bank)
ii) Agaa Khan Foundation
iii) Abdul Sattar Edhi
iv) Imran Khan ( 2 Rs Rooti Campaign )

In my opinion, Imran Khan will be more successful in social sector than Politics.

We can make a partnership with KhushKhali Bank. If Bangladesh Garmin Bank can win a noble prize then what is wrong with us. By the way Garmin Bank Chairman was trained and taught in Pakistan.

Note: Please please do not involve religion here.

Lack of religion Knowledge:
As parents it is our moral duty to watch our children to make sure they are not involved in any fanatic things ( Taliban) on the name of religion. GOVT CANNOT do anything on this issue. We have to defeat these corrupt and non-sense Mullahs.
Please make sure as a responsible citizen you are NOT feeding poison in your kids innocent minds.

I would like to mention one example here. After the Wah Factory suicide blast, police arrested one potential suicide bomber who changed his mind at the last moment. During the interrogation he said,
“ Baith-ul-Mehsood told them that after the blast a dozen Hoors will come down from sky to pick up your head in Heaven” ( Nozbella ).

Your kids are your responsibility and to make them good human being, good Muslims and useful citizens are our moral duty. Nothing to do with GOVT / GOVT policies.

Democracy:
As a nation you cannot progress without democracy. One man rule is not good for any country. There is no doubt that General Ayoub Khan and General Musharif did very well on economic side but to be honest we don’t need this progress.
For example, some Musharif ‘s mistakes are not justifiable or irreversible like
i) Lal Masjid
ii) Nov 3 Judges issue
iii) Restriction on Media

In democracy, no one can take these bad decisions. ONLY dictator can make these mistakes.

Now the question is who is responsible to protect the democracy in the country. There are ONLY three parties:
i) Army
ii) Politician
iii) Public ( Awaam ) .

Why Public?
Do not re-elect bad politician. We have to build the institutions not personalities. Musharif, Bhutto, Nawaz and etc will come and go but institutions or country will stay forever. We have to avoid Personality worship. It should be ONLY and ONLY ONE Slogan: Jeeaa Pakistan.

hafeez replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 05:41 AM 

The question is how to get out this situation. Is there any solution. One oportunity is in the shampe of Iftikhar chaudhry. The simple people object that Ch is also production of of LFO the answer is yes; as like Mousa out of Faroun's Society and Muhammad out of pagan arabs. The second option is Imran Khan. Support it if you want a change.Only these two options are available to you.

Azad replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 10:25 AM 

I will try to keep my message brief.

What our fathers sowed we shall reap and what we sow our children shall reap.

There are no short cut and quick fixes, we are a country and people need to take long-term and permanent measures to address our problems rather than to look for instant solutions.

Until the lot of the poor people is improved in Pakistan the country shall fail to progress and achieve its potential.

Fahad Zahid replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 01:35 PM 

Insha-Allah we will do something at the right time

Salam replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 04:04 PM 

''to be honest we don’t need this progress''
I can bet that no person on this forum can even list the items of progress we made in Musharraf's rule.
Mr. Zahid all what you mentioned above was progressing at enormous speed.
Now we are going down with the same speed.
Please, check the history of our education dpt.
Please, check the history percapita income.
Please, check the history of GDP growth.
Please, check the history of all state dpts.
Check the history of Baking growth.
The list continue

Hamid, Toronto replied on Saturday, February 7, 2009 04:33 PM 

Salam Bahi,

You don’t need to mention these figures. I can provide you some more statistics if you want. My point is that One-man rule is not good for country. Imagine all the figures went down like were never exist.

Do you know why, because Mr. Musharif did not build any instituations. I have to say one more time, One-man rule is not good at all for our country. I would like to give Musharif some credit for cracking down our federation by killing Bugti. ( I am not saying that Bugti was a good person). You cannot resolve every single problem with force. In Ayoub regime, Pakistan made a remarkable progress , do you know on what expense? There is no doubt that Ayoub played a big role in Bangladesh formation.

If you want to keep all the minorities (Pathan, Balochi, Sindhi, Saraki )together then Democracy is the only choice. There is no other alternative we have.

I would like to mention just one more example about federation. Kaalabagh Dam is/was a good project for the country but we cannot build it by cracking down our federation or upset the minorities.

Kashif replied on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 01:14 PM 

Just to add on what Hamid mentioned in his post, if one man or dictatorship was of any good, the rest of the world must have adopted that. Second, if those economic indicators were real, based on solid grounds, then no government can pull this down in such a short period. Although Zardari govt. is also following Musharaf's way (unfortunately) but still we can see some differences (e.g. release of arrested judges, AQ Khan and other matters)...the worst democracy is better than best dictatorship and it is now proven. I m not at all a supporter of Zardari but if option is given to choose between a democratically elected person vs. any dictator, my vote will always be with the democratic process.

Insha-ALLAH our nation will soon find its way to the real democracy and it is only possible when we keep filtering all the politicians through regular elections...there is no reason why we cant progress....just a bit more commitment for the democracy and there we are.

Pakistan Zindabad - Pakistani Zindabad.
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