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DHA Valley Islamabad Article in The News Mar 8 2009,

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Monday, March 9, 2009 06:32 AM 
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Ejaz replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 07:52 AM 

These kind of things will always happen. The overseas Pakistanis always wish and want to settle(at least their families in Pakistan). They become much more loving and caring towards Pakistan as compared to the time when they were in Pakistan.

So OPF, Bahria, and DHA exploit the same WISH of Overseas Pakistanis and promise to give them a SWEET HOME in Pakistan. But just explore all those schemes which were announced for OVERSEAS PAKISTANI, they never materialized and my innocent fellows lost their money and still can't have a house in Pakistan..............so.....we........just decide urself why all this is happening...no one can question to those authorities....So just waittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Sh replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 08:26 AM 

I can't understand one thing, 1st they ask charge with application (non-refundable) then after the balloting they ask 27000 each to pay to open file, what is all this greed? And, presently you see that if you (by chance / need) want to sell the same, prices are below a lot. When honesty will be prime purpose of all in our society? DHA its our hard saved money, why you do so to take it away? What is this 27000 to open file, if it is on computer it will take 05 minutes to maintain data, 05 to open a file in cabinet........... DHA is using its name to looooooting us, poor pakistanis
Aamir replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 12:33 PM 

Two possible reasons for a bad investment.
1)Unawareness
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2)Greediness

This web site does cover the first reason but can't do about the Second.

Aamir replied on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 07:58 AM PST

1. Some property dealers in Islamabad are misguiding people that just after the ballot of DHA valley Islamabad, the 8 Marla plots will sell @ 40-45 Lacs. The same property dealers are selling (Black Marketing) Application Forms @ Rs. . However the information being spread is void of any truth and less informed people are being ripped off.

2. The fact of the matter is that one Kanal plots in DHI ext-2 are available in the market @ Rs. 13-16 lacs which makes it impossible for the 8 Marla plots to sell even @ Rs. 20 Lacs.

3. In first place, any extension phase of DHI may be avoided for being intangible that’s why all the plots/files in these phases are less than half of worth once these plots used to be. (from 35 to 16 Lacs).

4. Numbers of plots to be balloted are less than 400, whereas, the applicants are more than 2 lacs. More chances are that you will loose your Rs.8000/5000, or you will end up in dead investment. Examples of extension phases stand witness to this effect. Therefore, in either case you are a looser.

5. I just want to highlight that if you wish to buy DHA Valley plots, the same would be available at original price, expectedly even for less, after few months of the ballot. Therefore, how wise it is going back and forth, buying application forms in black and fulfilling all the documentation formalities, when the same could be achieved easily after the ballot with a plus point of selecting a location of your choice
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 12:59 PM 

First they create an artificial shortage then they blackmail the poor needy people by exploiting their genuine needs. The socio-economic fabric of the Pakistani society is in the GRIP of the elites. I equate elitism as the same as yazidism. Karballa was not just an isolated incident. It was a message till eternity for humans warning us of the elitism system adored by Muslim societies.
Aamir replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 05:35 PM 

@Faisal
An elite is one who is in better socio-ecnomoc conditions. Elitism is everywhere in the world. It was,is and will remain so because of the economic differential amongst the masses. It is not the elitism but exploitation which makes the less fortune people suffer. Anybody, whether elite or normal can exploit others when in position to do so. The real curse in pakistan is injuctic,suppression, expolitation and unequal human rights. Hazrat Ali said a socisty can withstand Kufr but can't survive in the face of injustice.
To me, the reason of the success of estern nations is that they extend equal rights to elite and regular citizens.
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 06:11 PM 

Aamir: I am not some daddoo living in a cave. I have also traveled and lived in some countries. There is nowhere a TABKA system and elitism like in Pakistan. You rightly say that real curse in Pakistan is injustice, suppression, exploitation, unequal human rights, but who is doing all these things? Elites in Pakitan became so powerful because God created them superior? Of course not. If that is true then you are saying that 2% people had more brains, made more efforts at hard work to gain their socio-economic conditions? Of course not! It's the unjust socio-economic system that they exploited to their advantage. This is called elitism. When the top tabka people don't let anybody else survive and grab hold to whatever they can, hoard for the next thousand years, become qabza groups, don't let anybody else to have equal standard education, health, opportunities, that's called elitism.

Do you think Europ/USA got their true freedom for free? They also had a tabka system and elitism until two to three hundred years ago. Their ordinary people fought bloody revolutions with their own elites, if you know your history. Today even our low classes want to go their to live. While the elitism system feeds the masses with confusion, misleads them deliberately, because elitism is an animal that evolves with time, to keep up pace with humanity.

SAY NO TO TABKA SYSTEM!
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 06:22 PM 

Mr. Aamir: For fifteen years i am writing against Capitalism. The educated people used to mock me, tell me I'm stupid, i don't know anything. Today the champions of Capitalism like Soros, Buffet, and others are talking against it!

I don't want to mock anyone. I don't want anything for myself. I just KNOW the real reasons of Pakistan's problems. Ok, then, tell me, despite so much efforts being put in by various organizations, people, etc., why are the problems increasing? Answer: Because the various methods being put in the system for eliminations of the various problems is ACTUALLY acting as the catalyst for making it worse!

You know, nowhere in the world does capitalism exist as in Pakistan. Even the inventors of Capitalism support the socio-economics of their society with non-capitalist or socialist values.
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 06:27 PM 

sorry, i hope you don't mind my use of the word "daddoo". I don't even know what it means. No hard feelings please.
Friend replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 06:30 PM 

Dear Faisal Naseer (Ali3)
Don't you think that Soros and Buffet are Soros and Buffet because of the Captitalism?
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Monday, March 9, 2009 07:50 PM 

Friend: Exactly!!!! That's my whole point! That's why it's not a good system. Because it only creates two Buffet and Soros and ignores the rest, and you seem to be impressed with this system because you see the shine and glamor of a few top class people at the expense of the nation (i'm talking of Pakistan, not USA). I call it a "whitewash" economy. They whitewash the main road buildings, give wealth to 2% of the society, make all the shine and glamor, and tell the world, come and see our success! That's why capitalism is easy. You have to concentrate only on building 2% of the society while 98% pays for it. The debate here is not about Buffet and Soros but for all the citizens on an equal scale. Socialism is not so easy to manage, and doesn't look so interesting either because there's no shine and glamor.

I once wrote on this site about the formulas of Capatilism, in the days when Musharraf and Shaukat used to travel the world (on our expense) and boast to them, "Come, look at our success! We have doubled the per capita income of Pakistan!!!"

Imagine there's a room with a hundred people in it. Give Rs.100 to one and nothing to the others. What is the total income of that room? Rs. 100. What is the per capita income? Rs.1. Ok, now give another Rs.100 to the same person whom you had given Rs. 100 before and give nothing to the other 99 people. What is the total income of the room now? Rs. 200. What is the per capita income of that room? Rs. 2
DOUBLE!!

Now on a lighter note, to explain more about elitism and tabka system:

Look at the matrimonial classifieds. "Seeking Doctor for 45 years old girl". Why doctor? Is she ill? For some time the reader, if he's not used to our system, can become confused that maybe he's reading in the health related classifieds. "Girl is domesticated". Domesticated? What does that mean? I remember reading that word in the pet's section. "Boy can be 45 to 60 years old. Only parents of boy must contact girl's parents. Boy must be living in POSH area. Girl has USA visa." That's a plus point if she has USA visa. Posh area is very important. I even heard some families have to rent houses in posh areas for few months so that their children can get married. They also ask for a particular caste (breed), "established" family (elite family?), etc. I can go on and on.

I've never heard of these things in western marriages. They only look for love, honest good character, that's all. Not even stable job or high paying profession. Here the people say we are just trying to secure our child's future. Hey, are you God? How can you secure your child's future? All over the world people get married. Nobody plans it in this way, that they calculate how much salary will be coming for how many years, etc. In Pakistan and other Muslim countries even two real brothers marry their children so that their wealth can remain in the family. Everything is about wealth. Even two business people marry their children on the basis of how much advantage they can get in their business.

One of the central pleasure of elitism is that only "we" are the elites. If everybody becomes equal to us then it takes out the fun from our being the elites.

Face it. It's the facts about us. Truth can be bitter. I know it's not easy to let go of elitism. It has that special "clinging" effect with it. That's why it developed itself in this way. It's an "alive" system.
aa replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:20 AM 

faisal naseer(ali3) i personally think you have made several miscalculations to reach one wrong conclusion that capitalism is root of all evil, and socialism is solution for every thing....
there are several things which are fundamentally wrong with socialism as well thats why it failed miserably...
1- every one is not born equal.. people who work hard and make good decisions have right to be rewarded for there hard work...
what happened in socialism that there is no financial rewards for hard work...so no body desires to work hard...ghar baithay rooti kisay bori lagti hay...
2-your assumption about western marriages is wrong again...in fact most marriages in west are for financial reasons...they dont need to marry for other reasons any way as that can be arranged without marriage....more than 60-70 percent end in divorce...situation is totally different in islamic world where greater than 99 percent are running... successfully or un successfully.... i am not saying that our social attitudes surrounding these things are right as we especially in pakistan have picked up hindu traditions to extent that our islamic identity is being threatened by them....but your persumption that westerns are angels is hilarious....
they are also criminals....unfortunately they are more successful criminals than us at the moment....
also for God sake.. forget socialism now... a system that did not last 80 years...which was responsible for slaughters of millions of people....and keeping millions more in poverty is hardly ideal... even today in europe the old eastern block countries are far more poor than rich western block countries...some of old communist european countries are even poorer that india and pakistan for God sake....
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:44 AM 

aa: i dont even know what you are reading. I never said those words that you are quoting me with. as i said in the begining, this is a uselss discussion. also, i think you are brain washed by the propoganda in our countries. like, in mosques usually you will hear those things you just said. few days ago i was sitting in a barber shop (in DHA, not tora bora) and the man sitting next to me, he was not even a mullah, he was saying, "people in western countries are all living like animals", etc. etc. I listened to some time then i said excuse me sir, but i disagree with you. he became angry and said i dont know anything. he knows for sure that western people are all living like dogs and cats and all of them are animals and they have no family system, and there is incest in every family, they dont respect their parents, etc. See what i mean? I asked him if he has ever been to any western country? he said no.

maybe you have not seen the old age homes in Pakistan where many parents who have been expelled by their children are living?

angels? i said that? you must be drunk. drunk with brainwashed propaganda. it's obvious that you have to resort to lies to support your debate. because you have nothing to say if you stick to the truth.

socialism is solution for everything? i said that?

Please, please, what and who am i dealing with here? i said in the beginning elites won't let go so easily. either you are an elite or in the influence of their propaganda.

i'm not even going to reply to this post again because i know it's useless in dealing with elites. i already am spreading my message against the elites to the public, and i shall continue doing it, no matter how many obstacles i have to face. even my life is available for the people of Pakistan.
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:51 AM 

aa: you dont know a single thing about socialist or even western countries. i have lived in both. do you know the kind of criminals that exist in our society? Where in the world can you find people who sell even FAKE BABY milk, fake life saving medicines, cut of noses of their own women for honor, force entire families to march naked with shaven heads in bazars, burry people alive, feed them dogs, write of trillions and still have respect but arrest poor for Rs.50,000 loan and take hostage their women as slaves, deliberately not provide equal standard education, health and sports to children, show our teeth in smiles to western white race but feel insulted in being in the company of our own if they are poor.

i know there are criminals in western countries too. but there, they are criminals. here, the criminals are respectable people of society like you and me. there, the criminals hide from police and from their families in shame. here, the system protects the biggest dakoos, usurpers,
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 02:55 PM 

aa: You were born superior? Are you from a superior race? What are you called? Humans plus? Everybody should be given equal opportunity. In Pakistan the elites survive by sucking blood out of the 160 million population.

person who works hardest in Pakistan is mazdoor class. There goes your analysis and calculation down the drain. hehe.

You should see the movie "Trading Places".

Will you be able to marry your daughter with your driver's son? Oh, that's too much to ask for. Can you have your massi sit at the same table with your family when you are having dinner? Surprised? But it's actually happening in other countries. Are there separate residential areas for massi, driver and the director of the company in other countries?

I know you cannot let go of elitism. It's like a second skin on your body.
bb replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 04:41 PM 

top up your meds faisal and c ur psych....dont wory about west or socialismm too much
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 05:36 PM 

bb: you don't even have the courage to post your real name! i challenge you to a public debate and let the public decide who needs meds and psych. Maybe you don't know enough English or maybe you didn't take your meds today because NOWHERE i have written in my life that i "worry about west or socialism"! As usual, the animal of elitism is at work again by deliberately creating lies and confusions.
bb replied on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 09:55 PM 

bro there is no animal here...please seek some help.... just kidding ....cool man
Faisal Naseer (Ali3) replied on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 08:04 AM 

sorry, i didn't call you an animal but the way i phrased my words can give a misunderstanding. if you would have read all my previous posts regards elitism you would know what i am talking about.
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