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Message for Pakistan's defense forces and pass it on,

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 09:51 AM 

FYI...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Javed
Date: Thu, May 21, 2009
Subject: Need Your Advice and Support

Brig. Sahib,

Please see the following message for Pakistan's defense forces and pass it on to
the appropriate person even if you do not believe some of it. Thanks. Javed

Pakistanis living abroad, are slowly straightening up their necks that were bent
out of shame and embarrassment, for so long. We applaud Pakistan’s decision
to re-establish its writ in the country and stand up to the misguided militants
called Taliban. Pakistan has tolerated their excesses for too long, as the
events have proved. I have three suggestions:


The time is not of complacency. While the nation is busy finding ways and means
to take care of the avalanche of displaced population of the northern areas,
government should also get ready for a long drawn war against Talibans. Taliban,
like cockroaches will just disperse momentarily, and then reassemble and keep
striking back until their leadership is totally obliterated. Pakistani young
boys who were terrorized and coerced to join Taliban should be reached out and
convinced to desert them. Use FM radio. Those leaving Talibans should be offered
amnesty and an opportunity to turn their life around.

The other most important step is to use the incoming foreign aid to start
recruiting at least 100,000 young males from the millions roaming on the
streets, give them uniforms, 3 months intensive training, and prepare them to
fight Talibans. Under the plan, after the term of engagement of no more than two
years, they should be given a scholarship for at least two years to enroll in a
vocational training program to acquire basic or higher education and suitable
skills to start a new productive life in the community they came from. They
should be further counseled/assisted in finding work or to establish their own
small scale businesses via micro credit programs. Same terms can be offered to
those young Pakistanis deserting Taliban’s yoke. Each of new recruits should
be insured against death and disability for a reasonable amount covering
treatment and compensation.

I propose that wherever possible, DPs should be helped to organize themselves in
small groups to receive and dispense relief goods and cash. This approach will
have many advantages against outsiders handling everything directly.

Iron is hot. Our nation is showing a rare moment of solidarity, therefore,
let’s make the best of it by accomplishing something of redeeming and lasting
value, as proposed.


--
Javed S. Ahmad
Health Communication Consultant
New York

ashraf replied on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:38 AM 

Very simple get rid of mullahas from our society.95% problems will be automatically solved .

FAISAL replied on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 01:50 PM 

ASHRAF.
DEAR U MISUNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.AT THE TIME U DIED YOU NEED MULLAHA FORYOUR PRAYER LIKE EVERY MUSLIM NEED THAT. IF YR A MUSLIM.WE KNOW THEIR ARE MANY PROBLEM IN OUR SOCIETY.BUT IT DOES NOT MEANS WE START LOOKING TO THE DARKER SIDE ALWAYS AND ONLY.
BE POSITIVE AND PLAY YOUR POSITIVE RULE IN THE SOCIETY U WILL FEEL HAPPY.

ashraf replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:52 AM 

Faisal; why need mullahas to offer jenaza or nikkha? it can be perform by any muslim.Islam doesnot give authority to only mullahas to perfom these functions. in pakistan 97% mullahas has education not even equal to matric, how can they understand the religon with such edcational background.again no mullahas 95% problems solved.

Hamid, Toronto replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:52 AM 

Totally agree with Ashraf Bhai, get rid of Fanatic Mullahas once and forever. This cancer needs to be eliminated from Pak soil. We need to be united on this front. Please please no sympathy to Taliban.

Capt. Raza replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 04:09 AM 

Mr Ashraf and Hamid, try to understand the reality. Our enemies are trying to creat hatred with our religious society. If there is no religious society, believe me, we will not be Muslim according to Quran. We will be muslims like some muslims in India (see their names are mixed with muslim and hindu names, they eat together, they marry each other, etc. which is quite contrary to Quran.

My dears, we have differenciate between good and bad Ulamaas, the true Ulamaas and true religious persons will prefer to die than to do any single act against Islam/Quran sayings. First, USA used these Taliban again USSR and these Taliban were the pious in the world and now when they have denied to accept their orders against Islam, USA is frightened and trying to kill them so that they should not be able to stand against USA. For this purpose, USA has hired/rented, SHAPED THEM LIKE ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, NAMED THEM AS TALIBAN, and sent them in Pakistan to show the world that Islamic reglisious people are bad and thus ISLAM is not good (NAOOZBILLAH).

So I request to all of my brothers to try to understand the facts and reality. There are some bad people everywhere but it does not mean that all religious people (who are following Islam keeping Sunnah (beared) are no good. My dear we cannot live without religious people and Ulamaas. EVERYBODY CANNOT PERFOM JANAZAH & NIKAH. All these things you have to get and learn from Quran and when you learn all these things you cannot live without becoming a religious man.

May Allah Almighty give us wisdom to understand the facts and reality and we must stop saying anything against Islam, Ulamaas and true religious person who are following Islam in its true shape.

abj replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 04:59 AM 

Capt Saab,
I agree with you partially, but the uneducated Maulvi is being played by those people you mentioned that have their own agenda. Times have changed. For a country like Pakistan where over 95% people can be exploited in the name of religion, "Maulvi" needs to be certified by an Islamic Counsel or Institute that educates, certifies, disciplines and enforces a code of ethics for a person (maulvi)who preaches to the common man. Nikkah and Jinaza is no Rocket Science, a very simple thing to do, and does not require specific credentials. Pakistan cannot afford the self proclaimed "Islam Thekadaar", who becomes one for selfish reasons like Maulana Fazlur Rehman Diesal and thousand others. I mention him, since more people know him.
We are not saying anything against Islam, but against those that have made a mockery out of our wonderful religion. May Allah Almighty give us all wisdom to understand Islam in True spirit, and enable us to isolate the crazy bearded bunch, who have hijacked a great practical religion and present it as a "Stephen Kings" horror movie. "AMEEN".

limo replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 09:11 AM 

Can we all, the ardent critics of mullahs HONESTLY reply the following:

1. Do we regularly pray 5 times daily and ensure that our family and children also do that.
2. Do we honestly calculate and pay our zakat as per the nisab.
3. Do we feel proud in following the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet(pbuh) by keeping beard and imitatinh his way of life.
4. Do we ever care for the money that we feed our children with, is coming from a halal source.
5. Do we care to ensure that female members of our family move out strictly observing the dress code as dictated by Islam.
6. Does any mullah (be of any sect) forbid us from performing anyone of the above mentioned religious obligations.

If the answer is a big "NO" then we seriously need to set our priorities right and worry about our "EMAAN" rather than criticising someone for no logical reason.

zahid replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 09:59 AM 

LIMO.

I am 100% agree with you.Everyone should ask these questions from himself.Then he come to know the real proble of our society.

Capt. Raza replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:49 AM 

I 100% agree with LIMO. WALLAH if we following the 6 Points he mentioned above, everything will be fine and we will live in a place like Jannah. Point 3 regarding the main Sunnah (beard) is the first thing to do something in right direction. Some people say it is not necessary to keep beard but to me it is must. ABI says that "Nikkah and Jinaza is no Rocket Science, a very simple thing to do, and does not require specific credentials" but beleive me it is so. It means everybody has that knowledge to offer Janaza Prayer and he is fullfilling all requirements to lead the prayer. Same is the case of Nikah. WALLAH it will be very nice if every Muslim has that required knowledge then we will be lucky nation. However, it is not easy to learn all these requisits - exactly same as everybody or even a nurse cannot prescribe any medicine to a patient, that can be done only by a qualified medical doctor. Every field has its speciality. Unfortunately, for Islamic matters we do not prefer to go to true Ulammas (I do not use the word of Moulvi as this word is known as degarding the status of true Ulamaas and the required respect is not given to this word "Moulvi") We should remember this Hadees "Ul-Ulamaa warasat ul Ambia"

Anyway, we must understand that there are some black sheeps in this field who are agents of our enemies and due to thos agents we should not treat all Ulamaas like that. Every field has its speciality. I know so many medicines and where and when to use, but I cannot be a medical doctor. An engineer cannot perform the job of doctor and doctor cannot perform the job of engineer. However, we must understand Islamic teachings, translation of the Holy Quran and meanings of Hadees, but with this knowledge we cannot become Aalim unless we get all this education by spending so many years. There are exceptions some perople are doctor and Aalim both, but more than 95 % people cannot do it.

In the end, I really apprecaite the knowledge of LIMO and 6-Points he has mentioned are very logical and we must follow them to be a true Muslim. Reality of death is always following us and we cannot avoid it. So must be Islamic/religous person to be successful after death.

Hamid, Toronto replied on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:06 AM 

Limo,
I don’t want to open a can of worms here but somebody has to response your inquires. To be honest I am smelling Taliban’ ideology on point number 3 and 5.

YOU CANNOT IMPOSE YOUR IDEAS BY FORCE. LET ME ASK YOU SIMPLE QUESTION, WHO GIVES YOU THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE YOUR IDEAS ON PUBLIC.

I believe we have suffered enough from Taliban please give us a break now. I agree with you only on points 2 and 4. On rest of points, I believe you are interfering with people personal matters.


>> 1. Do we regularly pray 5 times daily and ensure that our family and children also do that.
I leave this point between Allah and his Umma. Keep in mind that our ex-presidents were Tajuat Ghuzara (Praying at mid night) For example: Zia, Leghari, and Ishaq etc. (Nozibella), our country did not get any advantages from their prayers. May Allah bless Zia their souls.

>> 2. Do we honestly calculate and pay our zakat as per the nisab.
Yes we should but again we cannot impose these things by force.

>> 3. Do we feel proud in following the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet(pbuh) by keeping beard and imitatinh his way of life.

Again you are interfering with people personal matters. So you want to destroy all the Hammam, like Taliban did.

>> 4. Do we ever care for the money that we feed our children with, is coming from a halal source.

Yes we should but again we cannot impose these things by force. Let’s start these things from your family. May be one day, people will follow your family as a role model.

>> 5. Do we care to ensure that female members of our family move out strictly observing the dress code as dictated by Islam.

You cannot force people. I honestly believe this is personal choice of the people. You cannot impose these things by force. Lets learn from Taliban’ bad deeds.

>> 6. Does any mullah (be of any sect) forbid us from performing anyone of the above mentioned religious obligations.

They are creating hate in our society and we need to stop them by force. Yes by force.
Our main problem is lack of tolerance in our society. Rest of the points is irrelevant here.

Note: from now on I will not response back to your reply.

abj replied on Thursday, June 25, 2009 02:25 AM 

Agreed with Hamid.

But let me add,
Limo, my answer to all the questions you asked is a big "NO".

<<<<<<If the answer is a big "NO" then we seriously need to set our priorities right and worry about our "EMAAN" rather than criticising someone for no logical reason.>>>>>>>

Excuse me? Whose priorities are we talking about? Limo's priorities? "NO" again. How about we all worry about our own "Emaan" unless an opinion is asked about a religious matter, which is a person's very personal thing between him and God.

Start thinking in the year 2009 vs 1009 or earlier. Those efforts to put the clock back a thousand or so years by some freaks is what the Pakistan Army is dealing with in Swat and Waziristan.

I know quite a few people that could answer "YES" to all the questions you asked, but would still not make a good human being, but will not go into that for now.

Allah says in Quran replied on Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:15 AM 

Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair admonition, and argue with them in the kindest way. Your Lord knows best who is misguided from His way. And He knows best who are guided. (16:125)
You who believe! You are only responsible for yourselves. The misguided cannot harm you as long as you are guided. All of you will return to Allah and He will inform you about what you were doing. (5:105)
Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not quarrel among yourselves lest you lose heart and your momentum disappears. And be steadfast. Allah is with the steadfast. (8:46)

limo replied on Thursday, June 25, 2009 09:01 PM 

Hamid, you not only open the can this time but do us a favor and jump into it. Join your mates there and don’t forget to carry your secular thoughts with you. I will do the rest by sealing it tight again. Just a joke, take it light.

abj, i know it well that this discussion is not going to end anywhere hence it is useless going ahead with it.But what worries me most is the thoughts you are living with.
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