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Friday, June 11, 2010 08:43 AM 

Dear all,

If someone is looking to invest Rs. 6 Mio in a place from where he could get monthly return for the domestic need, what is the best option. In few days back someone mentioned that nobody should invest in NSS as it is pure interest, even should not also invest in Islamic banking as it is the same thing with different name. He said that he will mention on this forum the best options where to inveest to get monthly halal return. I do not know where that man has gone now as we all are still waiting to see his options. Many people in this forum before mentioned the best option to have commercial property and be given on rent. Nowadays even commercial property is not giving good return. Many people like me who returned from abroad with having some saved amount are looking the solid and risk free options to get monthly return. They cannot start the business due to no experience and cannot start with relatives or friends as in the beginning they will be very sweet and later on very bitter and one day would be enemies. It is practical thing happened with many people.
So can I again raise this question which has been asked before by many and upto now no solution is given by anyone.
Thanks for giving best options by all experts.
Regards

Rafique replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 10:02 AM 

Bhai Naeem
Please dont listen anyone. Jitnae monh utneee baateen.
You only invest in NSS, it is the best and safest scheme. On this forum most of the people will talk about property. and interest.
tell me who is not dealing with bank now a days. everyone.
This is my sincere advice to invest in NSS. You are not sucking nayone blood by investing NSS.

saeedusa replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 11:26 AM 

Listen to Rafique SB and that's your safest bet.If you invest money in property and loose it then who's going to cover your loss...no body.If we don't take loan in America or other countries, no body will have a house for his family..is this make sense?

Naeem replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 11:58 AM 

Dear Rafique Sahib,
Thanks for your advice. Now can you please let me know that if I invest 6 Mio what I will get each month net cash from NSS. Second thing is that if I invest today's rate, will this rate continue for the period say 4, 5 years or if Govt. will reduce or increase the profit rate then will it apply also on my investment. Please clarify in details as I never invested in NSS before it.
Regards

abd replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 12:16 PM 

You will get Pak RS. 900/- against each 1 lack as per current rates in regular income scheme and it will be for 5 year. Any change in profit will not effect you and you will get it for 60 month.

http://www.savings.gov.pk/ric_hrates.htm

abd replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 12:23 PM 

Since you have 60 lack you will get RS.900X60 = Pak Rs.54,000/ each month after all deduction and taxations for 60 month.

Aamir replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 02:13 PM 

Some change in rate of NSS was expected in the budget. Any info?

Asif replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 03:24 PM 

Interest is Haram. It is just like declaring a war with Allah (Meaning of Quarnic Verse). Dear Mr. Naeem, believe me you will not die if you dont earn these 900 Rs/lac interest. Trust in system given by God. Best investiment is ' Sadqa Jaria'' Other Halal things could be property, buy shares of company which dont deals in shares like sitara chemicals, Ghazi tractor etc. Or just buy gold. And be contented what every return God gives it to you. Give zakat in true sense. Give 10% of your income to charity purpose and dont do anything Haram. You will surely become rich (Ghani).

Abdul replied on Friday, June 11, 2010 04:33 PM 

once five monkeys was placed in a cage and they were provided a leader and on top of leader a bunch of bananas was hanged. Now when a monkey gets hungry try to climb leader to get banana, but a water spray with full pressure comes from a hose as a hurdle and to make hard for him to reach bananas where as the monkey on grounds get wet due to this act of climber monkey.

Now when ever any of these monkey try to climb the other monkeys stop,argue and shake the leader so hard that he change his mind to climb and get down.

slowly all five monkeys got changed one by one and no one has seen the consequence of climbing but have heard from their forefather that if some one try to get these bananas pressured water will sprinkled on him and not only he but all get wet so they are not allowing any one for climbing regardless how hungry one is.

So is the situation of our's

It is very sensitive issue and I do not want to touch it people are more emotional then sensible.

Adeel replied on Saturday, June 12, 2010 03:22 AM 

Well said by Abdul. Although nobody is expected to change his stance but here is one refernce from previous Post of this website for those who want to do more research:

The issue is extremely controversial. Here is one reference which says a lot about it:
http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/writings/islamic/r-i-consensus.html

The excerpt:
NOTE for fellow Muslims: Because this topic of riba involves what is haram (prohibited) and halal (permissible) in Islam, every Muslim MUST do his/her own due diligence and conscientiously reach own position/decision in regard to personal practice. In doing so regarding this matter or any other aspect of life, Muslims should seek guidance from the Qur'an and the Prophetic legacy.

"There is nothing prohibited except that which God prohibits ...
To declare something permitted prohibited is like declaring something prohibited permitted." Ibn Qayyim*

Shaykh Mahmud Shaltut

Shaykh Mahmud Shaltut () was an eminent Egyptian Islamic scholar. He was also the shaykh or grand imam of Al-Azhar University in Egypt from 1958 to 1963. Dr. Fathi Osman, in his book, Concepts of the Qur'an: A Topical Reading (2nd edition, Los Angeles, MVI Publications, 1999), p. 919, mentions the following.

"Muhammad Abduh, the distinguished Egyptian mufti and commentator on the Quran [d. 1905], considered the interest paid by the post offices for the savings there as lawful, an opinion later supported by Mahmud Shaltut, the former Sheikh of al-Azhar [d. 1962] Moreover, he allowed for the interest on state bonds, if the economic development and the individual and public interests require issuing them [al-Fatawa, 8th., Cairo: 1975, pp. 351-355]. Additionally, Shaltut agreed to any transaction with any fixed interest in advance, if it was offered by the Muslim state or any establishments subsidiary to the state or affiliated with it, as it assumed that there is no exploitation of either party in such cases."

AR replied on Saturday, June 12, 2010 04:52 AM 

There are lot other things are haram also, unfortunately we in our daily life commit them again and again and never feel ashamed to repeat them like bribe, staring opposite sex, not to clear debits, not willing to pay taxes, make falls statements, incase govt announce housing scheme for homeless everyone will rush to apply, Zaka obligations, and many more similar examples are exist in our society..... Let me ask you, a widow of three children has 6 millions what to do..... Halal incoming? yes, buy a house and rent it out, now what is guarantee if the tenant will pay her rent regularly..... In case she trapped by a bad character individual what will happened. courts, case, no specific timeframe to vacant her house etc... I am 100% sure she would blamed herself for her bad decision....... What do you suggest, (sorry of my poor English)

Pardesi, Jeddah replied on Saturday, June 12, 2010 04:56 AM 

Dear Naeem

I am still here & collecting information of different options to invest; I contribute to this forum oftenly & personally known to CMY & his team as well; not a ghost writer. Believe you me its not an easy job. Infact, I am trying to put real success stories of those returning expatriates who prosperred after their return. People are hesitant to share their success stories. As I am busy elsewhere, I will try to list down some of the alternates soon & we can then comment upon these & try to enhance the same.

It is my humble request for those friends who are still mixing halaal & haraam please refer to my my submission 47813 I mentioned:
"...Despite many attempts, the inner conscience of many individuals remains doubtful about interest on Islamic banking....This is infact the beauty of education & awareness; the more people learn things by applying knowledge-based approach towards practical problems more they develop their understanding & they come out of the fantasies & influences of fake mullahs & pundits. In the same way one can rebut the false propaganda of the proponents of interest, manipulating interest with the words like banking profit, Islamic PLS sharing, etc. With His limitless Knowledge Allah Has declared interest as haraam & declared a war against Allah & His Messanger SAW…...This situation presses human mind to think in the light of this fundamental guidance to explore new avenues to earn & diversify… ... “Self-Prudential formulas can be exchanged based on certain misleading facts & figures but non of these can make up ideology of a Haraam (interest) as Halal. That can only happen if a person has installed another mind in place of his heart; using minds in place of heart can resolve the equation.....
Dekhna tou yeh hay ke Allah hum se kya chahta hay.

... Till the time of our last breath provision of Rizq has been promised. How it will reach you? From where Allah makes the arrangement? On what land the grains will be grown which will become the part of your meal? …its upto Him. You are required to strive for it in the right direction. (Dear Expats! imagine how Allah Fed u when u were abroad & Will Continue to Feed you back in ur homeland as well.)

Abdul replied on Saturday, June 12, 2010 06:45 AM 

Dekhna tou yeh hay ke Allah hum se kya chahta hay.

Naeem is going to a society where he can't buy 1 ounce pure milk, he is nervous of him self, how he will find a shelter, he is afraid for the future of his kids where they may get sick and no medication and no pure medicine. he has to pay for schooling, buy books so much so pure water

and we are preaching him Islam by sitting in aircondensation office in company's time and making him afraid that he is going to make sin.

I don't know what Allah has written for Naseem but we are guiding hem to butchery saying .... Char ga sooly bayta Ram Bhali karay ga.

Pardesi, Jeddah replied on Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:43 AM 

Dear Naeem

This is once again prooved:
"Despite many attempts, the inner conscience ...remains doubtful... ".

A sin is different from Haraam & so as its repercussions. This is a sincere effort to save halaal savings of the life felling prey of haraam. Allah never forgets & Let His Creation (including human being) on the mercy of Satan. HE IS WID U WHEREVER U R & He Knows u through & through (what u reveal & what u do not).

Abdul replied on Saturday, June 12, 2010 02:17 PM 

A group of pilgrims was leaving for Haj and all family member, relatives and friends came on railway station to good by their love one those were leaving for Karachi, from where they were suppose to fly for Jeddah.

Slightly before the departure of train an old man ask his grand son Abdul SALAM to go and get his igloo full of cold water. Salam went and it took quite some time to return and in this duration train took move and starts moving. Old man took his face out of window and shouted SALAM and all attendant on station said Zindabad . When ever he called his grand son SALAM the crowd responded as ZINDABAD and they did not let his voice reached to the grand son and he missed out to collect his igloo.

When train got far off from the plate farm and things got bit quiet in compartment he said these emotional people miss understood the Salam I was calling for.

Dear Naeem on your issue things are not different, neither you can win from these Mullahs When they think for them selves they are Fazal ul Rehman, Qazi, Sami ul Haq, Qazmi ect ect…

Mullahs of this forum also carry lots of plots and file in their bags and wanted to get many more knowingly Islam tells do not gathered property in this world otherwise you will be remain for here. They can do what they like put for you rules and regulations are very strict.

Take care and Zara Sanbhal kay.

Islamabad replied on Sunday, June 12, 2011 07:07 PM 

AA,

Dear Abdul,

I have read your arguments.

1) How can you make a thing Halaal when Allah and his messenger has made it Haraam

2) What is the guarantee that putting your money in NSS will give you monthly regular income? Allah can give and take away as he wills? so Forget about the idea that your money will be 100% safe in NSS or any other banking system. (Saman so baras ka pal kee khabar naheen)what if there is war tommorow and all of the banking system collapses where is the guarantee now?

Naeem Sahib put your faith in Allah, there are certain ways that you can put your money in

1) Build a house two portion and rent out one portion use one for living purpose.

2)Start a grocery shop

3)Start a small dairy farm

etc, etc.
Not all doors are closed in Pakistan
Allah will help you if the path you choose is the straight one. If you are not rewarded in this life Inshaalah you will get the reward in next life.

Rgds,
Muhammad
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