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   DHA Dealer VICTIM
Wednesday, April 6, 2011 01:22 PM 
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i tried to buy a plot in DHA 6 during my last visit to Lahore ... dealer confirmed plot for 57 lac. I gave the token and when went for biana , i was told that now it is now 58.5.....

reason... the sellers dealer bought from seller for 57 and now selling for 58.5... add the commission also... within 3 dys he was trying to make 2 lac... wat a country and what a nation.. shame!!!! :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl :pkf :pkf :pkf :pkf :1) :1) :1) :1) :flg :flg :flg :flg
Riz Khan replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 01:48 PM 

Dear DHA Dealer Victim,

With due respect, just blame that "F" Dealer not a country. On Pakistan's Passport you went abroad and made money and due to Pakistan Passport you became eligible to have dual nationality not Pakistani Passport no aborad , no money, No dual nationality. So, please this land.................. and Pakistani Flag... if i hurt you than please accept my appology.

Regards
Khan replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 02:28 PM 

Why not blame yourself for getting exploited. You were going to make deal for 57 lacs and you did not have the resources and ability to investigate. This site where you have posted you reaction has been crying foul for years trying to educate its client and general public for free. A person who refuses to get educated should not blame others for his own short falls.
Jameel replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 03:52 PM 

This is all because You showed yourself very interested in Plot , It is usual situation, ask your Token Back with Money and tell that Market is Open and Now I shall not buy even if you sell in 57. Now deal cant be finalized if Biana statement shows that there is sufficient time. On the other hand if there is less time then dealer will bow.
agreed replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 03:53 PM 

agreed cent% with Riz and khan , blame yourself, u type of guys try to put all the blame on our beloved country for your own mistakes.
Another Victim replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 05:30 PM 

During my recent visit to Pakistan my impression was that the plot doesn't get transferred directly from seller to the buyer. Instead the dealers buy the plot from the seller (probably somewhat less than the market value on biana) and a group of dealers then sell it (Somewhat higher than the market value) during the biana time usually 4 weeks. In the process they chage commission to two parties and also the take home profit from short term trading.

Another disadvantage of short term biana trading on plots to the real buyer is that several layers of owners are added each expecting some profit from the trade thus adding fake high value to the plot. This is like a ponsi scheme which is bound to lead to collapse of the price sometime in future as the prices reach such a level that no real buyers is prepared to pay those prices. Hence low level of transfer of plots rate at dha office.

Could I please ask Mr Khan and Mr agreed that how Mr DHA dealer victim should have behaved differently to avoid this situation.

Many thanks
Aamir replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 05:49 PM 

Simple ! He should have demanded his token money back.
DHA Dealer VICTIM replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 06:08 PM 

Guys , don’t get carried away I am still holding Pakistani passport and proud to be representing my country abroad and guess what unlike you many we living and working abroad contribute more in the economies but I guess i will be waiting my time explaining that to you... you people deserve leaders like you had in the past and currently... and you know why coz of your attitude which is so submissive.... i highlighted an issue which is related to being ethical but most of you there blaming me.. for what ? ... well I know ... you belong to the same fraternity (dealers)... yeah!!!!

Come one guys grow up.. otherwise you will surely go back in dark cave ages. BTW I am not a fool i caught them red handed and told them that they were cheating with me... guess what the guys told me it’s not only them most of the market in DHA is like that, he proudly also stated that i will be lucky if I can get plot without such hanky panky by the dealer.....
Riz khan, Mr. KHAN AND MR. AGREED.... THE NATION IS NOTHING BUT REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE... AND YOU CAN’T DENY THAT CHEATING IS PART OF ALMOST DAILY ROUTINE IN PAKISTAN... DON’T DEFEND CHEATERS OR ELSE WORLD WILL CONSIDER YOU AS PART OF THE GANG.

TAKE CARE AND CHILL..... I EVENTUALLY WAS ABLE TO SAVE MY MONEY
Khan replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 06:41 PM 

Nevertheless, you hyped a story just to have some fun. Your write up now is far more positive and educative.It goes to show that Pakistani are not dumb and smart to watch and take care if their interest.No one even a crook dealer could do that. Good for you and good to read your second write up.
khann replied on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 11:37 PM 

Hi,evry(most of the peoples)
belive on short term profits and without any efforts.So the property dealer did the same as others do.
Have u observed price hike in patrol!!! On what formula prices been incresed in daily life????No one wants to discuss.
So forget all these things.R u intrested to buy some thing just pay it,if u must
Another Victim replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 02:06 AM 

Dear Aamir,

I am sure Mr DHA Dealer Victim is not so naive not to demand his token money back. Return of the token money does not avoid the situation either. The actual problem Mr DHA Dealer victim faced was that the parties agreed on a price and after the token money was handed to the buyers dealer Mr DHA Dealer victim was told that the plot was bought by sellers dealer. The qestion is how to avoid this situation because the buyer has invested time and effort to decide which plot to buy. Return of the token money is not the answer. The solution should ensure that this situation does not arise!
Advisor replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 03:50 AM 

You should deal thru Mr. CMY (a good reputation in the market). Now you have learnt a good lesson. Next time u try with Lahore Real-estate. I guarantee you will not be regretted.
Riz Khan replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 04:14 AM 

Dear DHA Dealer Victim,

i think you are mentally ill i must say, go to the doctor and check yourself......... People like you always blame others.............. in 1947 there was only two or three factories now see how much developement is here. Be positive Dumb head..... When u point a finger on other on the same time 3 fingers of yours pointing at yourself too.
Habib replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 05:07 AM 

I had been Victim of this situation once only in my 5 deals and that time I paid only 10,000 more. The deal was mediated by some very respacted person of this Forum,
I think this is hard to avoid unless you are buying some thing much higher than market price, overseas people are common vicims of this situation as people know that they have less time.
Now CVT and Stamp duty have further complicated the situation, If you are planning to have quick deal by token only, and you have already paid stamp and CVT the days of transfer seller or his dealer backs out and create Phada to increase price, as they will know your I.5 lac money is already down to dust bin.
with the Most dealers you cant get Biana for Biana and Token for Token as these people learn first training to deal this situations at Max you get back only Biana or token that too after some wastage of time
Such problem arise if you show you are inexperienced, or very interested or have short time or you are getting a plot at very competative rates.
On the Other hand if dealer have still some time in Biana with first Party then problem arises more.
whata people of my countr replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 06:02 AM 

hi

Mr. Victim , what a childish n rubish, this is very starnge that u r playing innocent , a person who leave for abroad to earn bread n butter for himself n family can he be that innocent ti become a victim of such things, Dealers are not Zardari first who buy plot and than sell it on profit, it happens but are that INNOCENT .......... ha ha ha Strange
CS replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 07:30 AM 

@ Riz Khan, the way you talk seems that you , yourself are crazy. Not the other person you are pointing at.
@ What people of my country : Any one of us can be cheated, you cannot say that a person living abroad is clever enough that he may escape from such situation. ..

I feel shame when I saw people putting childish comments without coming in the shoes of others.
Instead giving relieve or suggestion to “Victim”, you guys are making fun of his situation. “Victim” was being cheated and he react the same way as a normal person may do.

Request to others,
Please let this blog a discussion form only. Don’t be personal. Act like grown and mature nation.
We all are Pakistanis, no matter living abroad or in. Our heart beats for Pakistan.
Mian Sajjad replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 07:39 AM 

I was also cheated by a DHA dealer. Dealers now can not live on commission only. It's a different game now. This country deserve the punishment what they are getting now.
Dishearted Muslim replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 07:40 AM 

Dear all,
The point here is moral and ethical values of society...there is no grooming of society as a whole...v r junk of swindlers...Molvi only teach to go for prayer but wot other responsibilities he is not interested. Teachers never give u a lecture on moral values and civic sense....the situation arising is also a big failure of parents who don't pay attention in character building of their kids...Have u seen Japan case...prices were going higher and people started to stock..govt announced we have enough food there were ques of people to return extra food to shops...earlier shop keepers opened their shutter for the people to get food they want coz they know wen things would become normal they will come to pay for the food they took......On Christmas those Kafirs give discount but our MUSLIMS create shortage in Ramazan to get more money.....Can you compare Lady Diana funeral with any muslim leader Janaza e.g Yasser Arafat..how civilized we are.....Can you compare 1 million people who gather at cermony of POP change in Vatican with ques and pin drop silence to muslims performing haj where they run over their fellows and kill them...how organized we are...you can think
Mian Sajjad replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 08:32 AM 

All moral values were taught, rules are there, but... ears and eyes are closed, forgotten death, I have seen on funerals people talking about business deals.

When I did my undergrad engineering in PK few friends around got jobs through political connections and I was jobless. I was offered once to join suigas if I pay some middle man 5 laks, but I preferred remained job less and Alhamdulillah, earned Halal money throughout life. Made millions abroad, and ongoing. No regrets at all. Believe me, Halal income has strength. All problems in the society are because of unfair means of income.
Riz Khan replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 08:35 AM 

Dear CS,

Everyone here can advise the victum, But the Victum using words like "what a nation" + "putting bad remarks on the country" i am also living abroad i know how indians put positive image of their country......... even after having more issues in India then Pakistan but we Pakistanies always thankless people....How monay people slaughtered in 1947 everyone knows....... now we are saying what a nation...... We pakistanies needs to be together here in abroad every single pakitani trying to push the other pakistani in dark hole...... We should learn how to harmonize.. How to tolerate... How to be patience ..... I feel so sad when Pakistanies abusing Pakistan.
Riz Khan replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 08:39 AM 

Just to add...

These Pakistanis who abuse pakistan... the very same people when go to europe and USA they can easily pull there pants down for the security check and not a word they say there ......... if you give respect you will get respect ........ Respect the Country first be patriotic.....
AG replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 08:40 AM 

Dear Brothers,

I am living abroad for the last 33 years & have come across peoples of different nationalities.
Go & Ask Plestinians what does a homeland mean?
We should do our best to bring Pakistan out of whatever difficult situation it is facing instead of disgracing & Insulting this "Blessings of Allah Rab-ul-Ezzat" which is the Future & Custodian of our children. Find other ways of venting your anger because of wrong deeds of some individuls instead of insulting & disgracing your Motherland.
Khan replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 08:44 AM 

I appreciate the comments of AG and have same feelings/duas for Pakistan.
Javid replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 08:58 AM 

Dear AG / Khan

I appreciate yours concern.
Will you please confirm here witnessing Allah SWT that you send all your money by bank and not Hundy or takes it with you and sale it in open market ?
AMAR replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 09:28 AM 

Dear All participants of this topic,
DHA dealer victim is correct in bringing up this subject on this real estate forum. However, he got carried away with his big mouth blaming country and nation. Frauds, cheating have become fashion now in any society. Generally in societies where corruption is not that much spread, it is still called unethical.
I live abroad and am a victim of such incident when I purchased a plot in DHA 6. At the time of transfer, I realised that excluding seller and buyer there are 3 parties involved and all the parties had a margin of approx Rs. 50,000 for themselves. I ended up paying Rs 200,000 (difference between seller and buyer price).I took it calmly and agreed for the price. Later, I realised that more than me, the seller was cheated. I eventually got what I had aimed for and did not repent later.
I believe that a proper guideline can be suggested as hints for buyer to be aware of at the time of purchase. This would sure be a great job done with the help of honest dealers.
Regards,
Amar
Mian Sajjad replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 09:54 AM 

Riz Khan, they pull their pant down once a year, but, you guys do this every day in Pakistan. Do not teach us patriotism. We are more patriotic than you guys; at least we are stick to some moral values.
Riz Khan replied on Thursday, April 7, 2011 06:44 PM 

Dear Mian Sajjad Sb,

Thats the attitude you need to get it away from "Dont teach us we are better than you" this is called stubborn attitude, for ALLAH sake save Pakistan give respect to this land...... This land desrves more respect and always thanks ALLAH rather than crying all the time.... I agree with AG comments... I agree with AMAR point.. Mr. Amar showed a very positive approach and ethics thats the way we need to raise issu's not baming nation and country....
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DHA Dealer VICTIM replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 05:41 AM 

@ Riz Khan... no one is abusing Pakistan but the monster of corruption in our day to day life. Anyhow please tell me one field of life in Pakistan (now include HAJJ, Raymond Davis also) where we don’t have corruption... just one I am asking and not many... please do share.
BTW DHA itself is an organized corruption.. if you care to study the pattern right from launch of any phase anyhow I wanted to built a home for me which i probably will never do here.
Accept my apology if I hurt people here but the idea was to highlight one of many groups who have colluded to loot innocent Pakistanis just like sugar, wheat....
Quote of ex PM ( I will not name you can google).
Quote" I lead a country of most talented but most corrupt people, right from the ministers to a bus conductor "
Unquote:
I will not say that he was right but for sure if he held PM position even for shortest of time he must have seen something which ordinary people can’t even think about .. probably time will tell.
Many countries had less then what we had in 1947 and we could have much much more then we have now but as I said we have become so submissive to what is happening and accepted that in our attitude “CHALTA HAI... AISEY HEE HOTA HAI’ but we do not realize how it is affecting our generations. Matter of fact is that NAHI AISEY HANI HOTA HAI DUNYA MAIN... people have started to ask questions to their corrupt leaders and we accepted X number of factories, XX number of mobile phones and XX number of motor cycles as symbol of ours success. Is that’s what you feel you deserve.. Answer is NO... we as nation deserve much more but we are hurting our own selves by getting away from what Islam taught us Muslims to follow.
Look at India which has come to a complete halt in the last 4 days just because of one person and an ordinary person took a stand against corruption... at the age of 70 gone for fast till death. Not saying to follow this route but let’s start from accepting that corruption is our enemy not India or US or UK.
Aamir replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 06:47 AM 

This thread has gone so long because people of Pak have accepted that unethical and corrupt practices are the standard operating procedures in the country and that its the sole responsibility of an individual/citizen to avoid fraud and mistreatment by any means possible. if you look at above, few people are blaming the victim instead of miscreant. This collective attitude is causing the rise of corruption in the society.
JIJ replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 06:48 AM 

Relax. Dealer is right. 'Mard ki Zuban' wala seen dealers key saath nahin chalta. In normal dealings ammounts upto 1 lakh, or 2 lakh or more depending on the simpleness of the client going to the chain of dealers underhand, are very common. Mostly the the money you pay in cash including biana etc goeas tax free in dealer's pocket. Seller only gets the Bank Draft that you Pay. This is true with every single Dealer in town but good dealers have the advatage that you can be somewhat sure you will get a legal deal. How else they can afford AC office and cars etc. But you come to market with this background in Pakistan. Many perople now understand that and live withit. One should also, else start some other investment abroad.
tzk replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 09:43 AM 

both the victims: it is your fault that you thought that the normal procedure is that the dealer buys and sells u. Why did not u ask people on this forum before and now you are bitching and moaning here
AG replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 12:57 PM 

Javaid Bhai.

I recently bought a 5 Marla Commercial plot from Bahria Town Lahore in Sector "C" by just sending an email because I trust that still there are people in Pakistan you can trust. I sent PRs. 300,000/- as advance payment by DD from UBL Abu Dhabi. Bahria informed me that It takes a lot of time to get DD from abroad encashed. Then I sent PRs. 710,000/- to my brother in law again through UBL Abu Dhabi who paid to Bahria !st. installment again by DD from Pakistan.
If you want I can send you the copies of documents for your satisfaction.
The question here is not whether I am honest/sincere to Pakistan or not. The question here is why for every small or big problem we come across due to any reason we just start abusing Pakistan.
This Pakistan, my Motherland, made me an engineer for free & now when I earn millions, my family live in comfort & we have every thing in life which a middle class family can desire do you think it is advisable for me to reward by hurling insults & abuse on Pakistan for any/every thing.
I admit I am not an ideal muslim but I try to do whatever good I can do for my motherland both in words & actions.

I would again say "Go & Ask Palestinians What Does a Motherland/Homeland Mean"
May Allah Rab-ul-Ezzat bless Pakistan & Pakistanis.

Regards.
Riz Khan replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 01:49 PM 

Dear DHA dealer victim,

In your last comment you posted i give you full respect ....... believe me we are far better than many african countries ......... i cant name any individual department or organisation as a full working honestly in pakistan but i know many people working on key government n non government positions with full honesty..... dont be hopeless ...... inshALLAH things will change once we ourselves start changing ourselves and stay positive .... even with positive approach the president of Gramin Bank in Bnagladesh can make difference in the most corrupt Bangladeshi environment.
Regards
khalid replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 06:24 PM 

Dear Brothers,

I believe this is common practice when a plot is purchased thru dealer & major contributing factor is the time available with buyer. anybody coming from overseas for vacation is laways short of time.

I came across such situation twice. I don't want to go in details but all this happened because of shortage of time.

Dealer or any seller exploit when it is known that buyer is short of time. Nobody should blame the country but he should take the measures to avoid that up to the possible extent. Straight forward honest guys are difficult to find.
Omer replied on Friday, April 8, 2011 07:42 PM 

Dear Bros...AOA ...I am really very appreciative of the sincerity shown towards our beloved country by each of you...its really very pleasing to know that at the bottom of our hearts we still hold true and sincere love for our country.

I am one of the overseas Pakistani and would request my dear bros to advise me with utmost honesty. I am planning to buy a plot in DHA on my next visit to Lahore. Can you brothers advise me as to how should I go about doing the transaction? What are the steps involved? What are the things to watch out for? and finally how much minimum time I must have on hand to ensure complete transaction? Many Thanks in advance. Allah Khush Rakhay.
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