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Should I invest in Pakistan in current condition ?,

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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:39 AM 

Please let me know if this is a right decision to buy a property in Pakistan in current circumstances as we see Pakistan is suffering through Terrorism. Please advice. :1)

SaeedAhmed replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 05:05 AM 

my advice is not well taken by my own relatives, but i still insist that do not buy property in Pakistan if you currently have no plans to move back in Pakistan; because:
1. rapidly deteriorating condition of rupee.
2. still stagnant or loosing value of property.
3. worst social, political, economical conditions.
5. high inflation

just compare Canadian $ worth in 2006 and in 2011 against rupee; almost 60% increase.
just compare property value worth in 2006 and in 2011; went down a lot.

So those living in north America or Europe or Australia who invested in property they r the one who lost the most.

if u have cash dollars in hand whenever u come back u will have upper hand due to reasons mentioned above.

Mr. Khan, Jeddah replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:08 AM 

Dear Saeed Ahmed,

We should also think about our country, which unfortunately has been continuously betrayed by our Generals, Politicians and Bureaucrats.

Pakistan needs our support, money and investments.

Wake up before it's too late!

Guest replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:13 AM 

Dear Brothers,
Invest as much as you can in Pakistan.
Muslim Umma and Pakistan needs your support.
We in the overseas have started sending extra money of 500 Dollars every month, to our own relatives to support Pakistan.
May Allah(swt) bless you and muslim ummah. ameen.

AG replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:12 AM 

@Mr. Khan, Jeddah.
@Guest.

I fully agree with you. Pakistan is the Future & Custodian of our children & we must think of Pakistan more than any thing else. I am working in Middle East since 1978 & whatever I earned is either spent on the needs of my family back at home or invested in Pakistan. Pakistan does offer good oppertunities inspite of all odds.
During my stay abroad I have come across people from all over the world & know how do they feel about their homeland.
We must help our homeland out of crisis instead of throwing insults & hating Pakistan.

abc123 replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:17 AM 

@Mr. Khan, Jeddah.
@Guest.

THUMBS UP! I salute your patriotism.

Arif replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:35 AM 

We should certainly encourage patriotism but the question was regarding the economic sense of investing in Pakistan property. I think focusing on short term gain and getting discouraged by individual events (like earthquake or terrorist attack) are two important mistakes people make while investing. Societies almost always successfully absorb just about any blow no matter how big including World War 2 in Europe or 1947 riots in South Asia. I believe terrorism will be defeated in Pakistan because it has already been defeated in Iraq, Sri-Lanka and Northern Ireland.

I think investing in good property has always been rewarding in Pakistan if you compare prices over a 15 year period. Compare 2010 with 1995 and you will see property beating exchange rate. Compare 1995 with 1980 or compare 1980 with 1965. I don't have empirical data but I don't know any one who has become rich just by saving dollars.
As for US dollars it is going weak itself. Pakistani bank's term deposit rates easily beat the increase in price of US dollars.

Above comments compare Pakistan property with foreign exchange only. If you have some smart investment going for you in North American that is giving you high return then that is a different story. However no one has shared their happy story from North America on this site. They just seem to be going through one bubble (dot com bubble) after another (property bubble). I do wonder sometimes how is the rental return in America after paying property tax, insurance, maintenance and income tax. May be someone from North America would like to share their experience in this regard.

SaeedAhmed replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:41 AM 

its interesting to see all those comments.......... from all those who r living overseas. yes while i was abroad, i was a lot patriotic and that was the reason i came back to SERVE this country. however, the level at which i have worked and interacted with top most policy makers of this country............. i have little hopes that things will improve in near future. i m sorry, many people will get hurt, but it is ground reality we must face. this country is in deep @#$% just because of its own politicians, armed forces, bureaucrats, and judiciary.
anyhow, this will get long and long without and fruitful results. The question asked by respected Zahra was about property and of-course it was from point of view of making a profit or secure investment; and my response is from that perspective as-well. and it should not be taken to judge someone as a more or less sincere to the country.

Mel Gibson 'The Patriot' replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:10 AM 

Dear 'patriotic' expatriates,

It is a fallacy if someone thinks that buying a plot back home is 1) an act of patriotism and 2) constitutes investing in your country. You know that you only do it for your own gains. You must also know that you are the key cause of land price distortions that make homes more expensive than a legitimate income/salary would allow for a pakistani living in his homeland. You earn in $$$ and buy in Rupees. The average sheedah earns in Rupees but must compete with your $$$. Not fair. No wonder he rips you off (not saying it's right, though).

Fallow land does not contribute to productivity of the nation. No goods are produced and no jobs created (other than supporting the most despised segment of society: 'dealers'). If most of the money that poured in to the country post 9/11 and even now went into productive assets or primary issues in the stock market, then you would see what a sustainable boom and expansion of economy is. Instead, we like to gamble on share trading (secondary market) or buying plots where we hope to get quick gains without putting in efforts and knowledge. Even those that work hard for each penny abroad hope for overnight gains in their own country. Our own country is not to work hard in, it is to live the good life! What we all seek are capital gains. Capital gains are those from selling those assets that have the ability to generate income themselves, and by definition, capital gains are not ordinary or recurring income. We must shift our focus to actually generating income from those assets i.e. milk the damn buffalo, don't take her to the market to get her price checked every 3 days.

The plot obsession is a national curse that benefits relatively few but consumes the majority of everyones resources. Every few years everyone is taken to the cleaners, and the dealers and market manipulaters are laughing all the way to their foreign bank accounts, while driving BMW 7 series that they earlier could only hope to rent for their wedding ceremony. Another curse is the obession with saving in gold. There is nothing more useless than gold. Absolutely nothing it can do except look shiny and pretty and dazzle people that are easily dazzled!

You may say that you are not aware of avenues to invest, so can only put in plots. You are absolutely correct, there are no passive forms of safe and attractive investment in Pakistan. If you have enough resources and courage, a real show of patriotism is to return to this jungle and do something that you learned or practiced abroad. I would not advise this personally as prospects are very dim for the country, for faults entirely of our own making.

However, if you insist you are a great lover of the country and you pine for it while you are abroad and keep talking about how great the food is, then bring real investment into the country. Pakistan doesn't need money (well not as much as you think). What it needs, what it is literally dying for is YOU and your INTEGRITY and your COMPETENCE and your HARD WORK. If you can bring those values you've learned abroad back and practice them, then it would be like a blood transfusion for a very sick patient.

If you can't do this, then don't try to give false assurances to yourself and the country about how great patriots you are. Patriots don't run away when the war is raging, they return to the ranks to fight the good fight.

Who am I? I am no patriot, just a pragmatist. I am just tired of the hypocrisy and pretenses that follow a pakistani no matter where he or she takes up residence in this wide world of ours. Good luck to your wherever you are.

SI replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 09:00 AM 

Investment in realestate is always better rewarding, just want to share that Gulberg, Lahore was sold @ Rs. 350 / marla in 1960 by Lahore Improvement Trust

pak lover replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 09:25 AM 

i came back from overseas went arround 8 countries,our country need us and its better to live here than to be a b grade citizen of other country .

reincarnated replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:19 AM 

very well said Mel Gibson. cant agree more on the msg an theme and couldnt have phrased it better either. bravo !!!
;D

atiq raja. replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 05:00 PM 

MY GOD PAKISTAN IS HELL,life is not secure,now this is time to run.............fast from pakistan to safe your life.

Theory replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 05:55 PM 

Pakistan was created on two nation theory through democracy. Two nations implies two kind of people in Pakistan, one type is ripping off and the other is being ripped off and the democracy is taking its revenge.

Arif replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:07 PM 

Atiq bhai you are ridiculous..............as always.

AG replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:17 PM 

Gentlemen,

1. Only Pakistanies can bring Pakistan out of its present difficulties so let us face the reality & do whatever we can do to help our Pakistan. We can not & should not run away from our responsibilities towards Pakistan.
2. Buying a plot in Pakistan helps our country in many ways.It brings foreign exchange,it creates jobs with the developers, it helps construction industry in many ways when people build houses on their plots,it reduces shortage of housing units. There are more than sixty industries which benifit from the construction activity.
3. I know the feelings of our brothers who were either been cheated or harmed. I know there are some people trying to harm Pakistan & in turn harm us.Believe me the only way of defeating these people is to be faithfal to our country,WORK VERY HARD FOR THE ECNOMIC STABILITY OF OUR COUNTRY & REMAIN UNITED. Our brothers should vent their anger in some other way than accusing & insulting our Homeland.
GO & ASK PALESTINIANS WHAT DOES A HOMELAND MEANS.

Anwer replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:06 PM 

Salam AG,
I thank you AG. and agree with you 100%.
Only we ourselves can help Pakistan and may Allah(swt) in this. ameen
We will never let our country down.
I know many overseas Pakistanis which are sending money to their own relatives to bring in the foreign exchange.

/Anwer

rana replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:33 AM 

Mel Gibson 'The Patriot', it was simply a treat to read your post. While I am someone who left pakland 30 years ago and never looked back, invested excess $ in plots, I do not consider myself to be patriot.

Imran replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 03:24 AM 

Good to see some nice and some not very nice comments about pakistan, but we should face reality, we as expats are working hard and sending foreign exchange to pakistan for decades, if we keep on doing this do you think that situation is pakistan will improve. Here the people in the government are not taking any responsibility, all the responsibility is with general public. Compare pakistan with other countries where there is law and order and good economy, it is not the general public over there but the policy makers and people in government who are guiding the country towards prosperity. People in all the countries are more or less same, everybody has a desire to prosper and live a good life but when there is no opportunity, thanks to the goofed up policies of government then people use unethical/criminal means to gain money. Each one of us love our country but we are all feeling helpless due to unavailability of any way of action

Ahmed (Calgary) replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 04:13 AM 

@Atiq Raja
What was the value of your property in 2003 in Islamabad and what is the value now. At least 50 times more. Is there any country in the whole world where property can grow that fast and with out paying one
penny as income or wealth tax? How much have your wealth grown in UK?

Regards

Ahmed

Javaid replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 06:41 AM 

I think what Saeed advised is based on technical analysis of the current situation and no doubt, our country is going through the most difficult time in its history. At the same time, what Mr. Khan mentioned is also correct - we should not leave the country when it needs us - we need to increase the morale of the nation and I have no doubt that our country will bounce back insha-ALLAH.
I live in abroad and can't describe the pain of hearing bad news about the country - our country should have a higher priority than any other thing and if we don't step forward now, we will be gone forever.

We are respected only if we have our country on our back - ask Palestinians how does it feel when you don't have a country to go and live - in good times, our contry helped us gain the qualification to go abroad - now when country needs us in bad time, we should give our best to save it.

May ALLAH strengthen our country, protect it from its enemies, help th enation to be stronger to defend it and save it from corrupt rulers / military establishment.

Alhamdulillah, I am living a very decent life outside Pakistan but still my golden memories are from my childhood - when I didn't have money to buy even a chewingum, yet I was more confident and proud Pakistani.

God bless this nation and country. Aameen.

shahid khan replied on Thursday, May 26, 2011 04:43 PM 

i love pakistan and being a paksitani i bought two houses of 4.6 marla in eden gardens lahore on main ferozepure road. i visited the site a years ago and found beautiful one for future references. doesnt matter the situation of pakistan be pakistani buy pakistani. shahid khan from london england

Javed replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 04:45 PM 

i commend mel gibson. we are all hypocrate and looter and use the name of Pakisn and Islam for own vested interests

Ali hamza replied on Monday, January 2, 2012 05:13 PM 

Every 1 this guy Atiq raja is sick person so be aware of him.... 1 day he says DHA is best and 2nd month he says D-12, E-11 or G-13 is best. so please understand what he try to make of you guys...... better ask him how many plots he have in DHA lol.......... he is crazy , 1 time he don't count G series as sector and 2nd time he tells to invest........... one he call pakistan a hell and 2nd he keep telling people to invest, trust me he is sick and want to make money only.............

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