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   Asim Malik
Monday, July 4, 2011 02:57 AM 
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Although not directly related to property , but I think there is some relevance. I have received a notice from the FBR on my address in Pakistan that I must file a tax return including wealth Tax Return.

In fact I have been abroad for the last 17 years. Inbetween I worked in Pakistan in a private co. during 2008 and was payying income tax. Then I left Pakistan came to UAE. Since 2009 I am here. I think the tax people have picked up my NTN no. and sent the notice , since I was not filing any return since 2008.

I would request those friends who have come accross such a situation and/or know how to tackle this to please guide me. Further can I communicate with FBR via email to get further clarifications or explain my position to them.

Thanks
BBB replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 06:37 AM 

Asim Sahib,

When you receive the notice, you should file return even for nill. Contact any tax lawyer and he will take some money to file your both returns.
FAROOQ replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 06:46 AM 

Dear Asim Sb & BBB Sb,

I am also an overseas Pakistani working in the UAE. According to my Son , we have also received a notice from FBR last month.
I would appreciate if Brothers on this forum could give their expert opinion on this subject.Also, Mr.CMY is requested to write on this subject.
AA replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 07:12 AM 

I am working in a private company. Our tax is automatically deducted however we have to file return. Last year i get notice to file return for 2007 and we hired a lawyer and pay him Rs. 3000/= . He filed the return and wealth statement. After working with him we understood its not a big deal and as BBB wrote you can almost everything. Wealth statement however is bit tricky, you need to evaluate what to show in assets and deducting some advance tax we pay on Bills, intrest on loans, donation to registered organizations etc. Overall its simple task and at most you need to pay few thousands to a lawyer (Lawyers sometime demand very hight fee but with bargaining you can agree on suitable amount).
Kashif Ali replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 08:08 AM 

Dear brothers !

I have worked in FBR, BBB is right, please fill your return even for nill. Now you can fill your returns online.

Mr. Farooq and Asim Malik Sb, no need to go for any tax consultant, go FBR online website, create your account and update your job information over there.

Then fill your return. You can make your documents save in fbr website account.

http://e.fbr.gov.pk//AuthLogin.aspx

Please note: This is Govt organisation and during filling your tax return or updating the records, you may get some errors but after some efforts I'm sure you will submit your return.

I myself spent almost 2 days to complete my return and all other stuff.

Thank you .

Kashif Ali
Asim Malik replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 12:52 PM 

Many thanks Kashif Sahib for your guidance and thanks to all other brothers for taking time to give their comments.
Guest replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 01:38 PM 

Dear Kashif,
Please elaborate your reply for Pakistani originated people who are now citizens of Europe and USA, do they still need to file nill TAX return in Pakistan ?
Thanks.

Salam,
Guest
FAROOQ replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 02:11 PM 

Dear Kashif Sahib,
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply.
May Allah Almighty bless you and all Brothers with good health and prosperity always.
Kashif Ali replied on Monday, July 4, 2011 05:45 PM 

Actually this website is developed by PRAL (Pakistan Revenue Automations Pvt Ltd), PRAL is working combine with FBR, it’s you can say semi Govt type of company.
They launched this portal (website) on 2007, and even after 5 years this portal is not stable, there are so many bugs in the portal and it will not let you complete your RETURN or REGISTRATION easily. There are lot of issues in database too, it’s not updated. So, I believe you are receiving the documents mistakenly. They are trying to computerise all the stuff, and this is the reason they are bothering All NTN members without verification of job and any other criteria.

What I can suggest you is; follow the below steps.
1. Create your login in this website.
2. Check Guidance – help.
3. Check your NTN detail.
4. Update you status like last company (start date and end date etc).
5. File the return.
Once you will file the return, they will not send you any document at your home. You can give them the proof that you filed the return.
You can also contact them to clear this issue.
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Please note that, my personal experience for Support of ebfr is not good, All are F.A , Martic pass guys in call center, they will not guide you well.
I’ll try to get phone number of some responsible person in FBR or PRAL then will share it to you guys after permission with him.

Regards,
Kashif Ali
Ali Khan replied on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 08:58 AM 

Dear brothers.

Let us share names and contact of a few good tax consultants along with their expected fee at Islamabad as on line filing may be cumbersome as stated by brotehr Kashif.

Kind Regards
Shehriyar replied on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 04:08 PM 

Ali
I need to open a bank account with a company name for my small online consultancy work. For that I need an NTN certificate from FBR.
I am a government employee and tax is deducted from my salary, but I do not know my NTN number, neither i have filed any return so far.

Should I apply for NTN certificate directly (via web), and do i need to file my all previous returns ?
(as i have small income so dont wanna hire lawyer or pay much taxes)
will my new NTN (for company) be the same as my previous NTN for my salary income tax?
Kashif ali replied on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 06:04 PM 

Shehriyar !

Here is the link to check your existing NTN number.

http://www.fbr.gov.pk/ShowArticle.aspx?view=Article&ActionID=590&ArticleID=590

NTN is different for individuals and for the company.

Once you will click new NTN - It will show you the options (indiviual, AOP (Association of partners), company).

About previous file, You can file maximum for last 3 years through the website.

Both NTN (for company and yours) will be different.

Regards,
Kashif Ali
shehriyar replied on Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:20 AM 

Thank you for your reply. I have tried to search my ntn number via my cnic number but it says "requested information not found,...".
does that mean I am not registered with them?
And will there be any problem if I do not mention about my government job and just apply for business NTN. (e.g. if I do not want to file the last years returns).

Moreover I want to apply for NTN certificate as a "Sole proprietorship" and there is no option for that, there are only three options (individual, AOP and company")as you mentioned also.
does the "sole proprietorship" thing comes under "ndividual" category, and If i select that then there is some portion about business details, but suppose I give my business details there so will I get the NTN on my business name or Individual name. (as i need it on my business name to open bank account).
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