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Thursday, August 11, 2011 07:27 AM 

AOA
Dear readers, first of all sorry for breaking your momentum to property business.
Actually, I use this opportunity to have your valuable comments, suggestions and ideas to lead my son for his future study plan, which he aimed to be an engineer with civil or mechanical technology in UET Lahore or any other reputed engineering university in Pakistan as well.
He appears in the O-Level (IGCES) exams this year and obtained the following grades.
1- Physics (A*)
2- Mathematics (A*)
3- Chemistry (A)
4- English (A)
5- Urdu (A)
6- IT & Communication (B)
I do not having any idea that how many marks it will be considered in accordance with equivalence system of the matriculation in Pakistan.
However, I need your assistance to analyze methodically by seeing his present performance for his A-level which may leads him to become eligible (After A-Level) to obtain the admission in the eng’g. university desire by him.
Further, I request you if anybody having the knowledge/links about calculating the equivalences pls. share with us.
May Allah the Al-might give you rewards to helping my son to guide for his future study “Ameen”
Thanks and prays for Mr. CMY’s good health for allowing us to use this form to discuss our kids future
as well.

Thanks, and best Regard’s.

S Choudhry replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:33 AM 

Mr.Chaudhry this link will be helpful in your son's case.

http://www.eduinn.pk/2009/08/problems-faced-after-levels.html

Here I am going to tell you some facts, for the students who want to study in Pakistan after their A-level and want to get admission at some very competitive colleges and universities, like government medical colleges or engineering universities in Pakistan. I figured it out through the experience of some of my friends and people around, who had suffered with some problems while getting admission after their A-levels in Pakistan.

In Pakistan they do not accept the grades obtained in O and A level, they covert the grades obtained by the students into equivalent of matric or FSc respectively. The conversion of the grades is done in such a manner that it reduces the marks of students very low. This harms students a lot when they come down in the ranking while making merit at college or university. To get As’ in O or A-level is not an easy job. It takes a lot of hard work, time, energy, sacrifices and money. and when all this is resulted into low marks, it is really unfair, but students cannot do or say anything as it’s the rule.

I do not know the exact formula of conversion, but as far as I know I can share here, while converting the grades of o-level, 5 subjects are taken into consideration, if all are As’ means you have 5 As’ then your grades will earn 723 marks for those. and in conversion of A-levels 3 subjects are taken, and they can earn maximum of 935 marks against you 3 As’ and 5 As’ of O-level. See now, competition is getting higher and higher every year, consequently, marks and merit. To compete with these marks becomes very tough.

Above mentioned was one very major problem, there is another one, after A-levels, for the preparation of entry tests of medical colleges or engineering universities they have to study all the FSc syllabus. They have to prepare and learn the books in 2 months. Because entry test are designed out of these books. But now I heard from a friend of mine that there is gonna be a separate test for A-Level students.

These are the problems what O and A-level students have to face. So keeping all the facts in consideration, the students who want to study in Pakistan, they should not at least do A-levels. See, person with A-level and other with FSc, at the end both are at the same level at the same place, when they are at any university or college together. At that point there, it doesn’t matter how much hard work or money have you put in, both are found at the same level and both are equal.
Posted by Madiha Munawar

One student wrote:
I have just completed my A-Levels. I am enrolled in UET Computer Engineering. My Grades: 6 A'(O-Level) and 3 A's(A-Level). Converted marks 915.

About this admission thingy. NUST is worst than UET (atleast it was this year). Exam held a week after A-levels. Most of us flunked, that too, badly. LUMS SSE program was savior for many. However, I felt 2 lacs are too much for asking. 50% scholarship only =(

GIKI is the only institute where A-Level students really get benefited. But again. Too much fees.

I like UET but its boring for me at times. UET should advocate more A-level students here. And the Entry test should have searched for a middle ground between A-level and F.Sc.

Any SPECIFIC queries regarding admissions (Only for A-Levels). Contact me at

Madiha Munawar wrote:
well i think alevel students are most disadvantaged, thats y i came up with this post... there are lots of options for matric/FSc students... look at the marks students are getting nowadays and when alevel students marks are converted they suffer with less marks... so the opportunity is in matric/fsc students' hand that they can be high on merit... and obviously you have to work hard if u really want gem thing... in matric/fsc case the fault is in the whole education system, but they have advantage that ahead they have the same educational system to go for... our education system is very out dated and of under-developed kind but what happens to alevel students, the education they get is far better than local system... so they fall down badly and are hit worst than matric/fsc students...

Nazir Bukhari, KSA replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 01:50 PM 

Dear Chaudhry,
I think you should send your son to Turkish Cyprus for a degree in engineering. A lot of students from Saudi Arabia are studying in the universities over there and their educational standard is excellent. The degrees offered by these universities is accepted in Saudi Arabia as well as world wide. Moreover, considering the present uncertain conditions of Pakistan, I would suggest that you should not consider to send your son to Pakistan when second option is available.

AG replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 04:03 PM 

Dear Chaudhary.

I think, since you are working in KSA, the best place for your son for his undergradute studies in engineering is Dubai/Abu Dhabi in UAE. My eldest son was admitted to a University in Cyprus in Electrical Engineering but came back citing instances like teachers taking sips of Alcohal in the class from bottles kept in hip pockets.
Later on my son studied as Greenwich University in London.

There are not many countries in the world as safe & secure as UAE. Further you can visit your son in UAE as & when you like to.

Regards.

Ehtesham ulhaq replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 04:07 PM 

AoA, Good result, your son can get admitted in any university. You need to get equivalency certificate from Higher Education Commission, i.e. in Karachi Lahore and and Islamabad. According to the results you have shown; he might get 84% equivalent. But to get admission in Pakistan he must have passed 8 subjects not 6.

Ehtesham ulhaq replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 04:22 PM 

I did not read the comments of Mr.S Chaudhry earlier. Anyway I am sharing my experience. My 1st son got 4A* and 4 As and got equivalency of 85%. Last year my 2nd son got 1A* and 4As and 3 Bs and he is given 84%. Regarding my first son applied in LUMs Lahore in Electrical engineering (School of Engineering) and was accepted but too late so we declined as he was given around 8000 C$ scholarships by University of Alberta which rank around 57th in the world in Engineering. My 2nd son was accepted by saveral universities in Canada and was offered with some scholarships.

Anyway I asked them to see and evaluate themselves from the sample entry tests being held in Pakistan and both of them were convinced that they can pass it easily as compared to local students as the medium of exams is English and the core of studies in A level are similar to this method.

U can contact me in Riyadh if u need any assistance at anytime. I wud be my pleasure to talk to u.

Chaudhry replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 06:47 PM 

Dear Mr. S Chaudhry, Mr. Nazir Bukhary, Mr. AG and Mr. Ehtesham ulhaq sb.
Thank you very much for giving me the wonderful positive suggestions and sharing personal experiences to think myself and my son accordingly.

May Allah grace all you and your love-ones a healthy life.

Best Regards

Anwar Ul-Hamid replied on Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:29 PM 

Dear Ehtasham ul haq sahib
1. Apart from A level subjects here in KSA, is it necessary to sit in exams for subjects like Urdu, English, Pak. studies to get admitted to Pakistan Engg. Universities?
2. For admission in Canadian Universities, are scholarships granted for only canadian passport holders or pakistani students can also avail such opportunities?
Thanks and best regards
Dr. Anwar Ul-Hamid KSA

Rehmat Ali replied on Friday, August 12, 2011 01:52 PM 

Very useful discussion. Though I tried to put my children in pakistan University but for equivalenve certificate you must have done O level in Pakistan Studies and Islamiyat. These two subjects normally students do not study in foreign universities. I had to continue my children in foreign university.

It is reall hard job to get O/A level children into university in pakistan.

Rehmat Ali replied on Friday, August 12, 2011 01:54 PM 

Yeh Urdu and English also of course.

Ehtesham ulhaq replied on Friday, August 12, 2011 04:17 PM 

@ Anwar Ul-Hamid & Rehmat Ali Sahab.
Total 8 subjects are required which includes Urdu, Pak Studies and Islamiat. English is part of O & A level.

Yes, Canadian Universities gant some scholarships to international students which do not cover all the expenses these are mere 10-30 % of the university fees also some of these are renewable and some are only one time ranges between plus every university award 1 or 2 full scholarships. I am ready to answer any particular question in this regard at my email address

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