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Friday, April 27, 2012 11:58 AM 

I am an overseas Pakistan (Old Ravian and Anthonian and GIKIAN) mechanical engineer living in Saudi since 2003 . Originally I am from very humble background (my father was daily wage worker I am self made person(with Allah Blessings and Parents prayers) came to Saudi and contributing to my mother land since 2003 through remittances, flood relief, education loans to needy students and community works. Now I myself in big trouble and need help Allah Pak give you people ajr-e-azeem

I bought house in Lahore from my hard earned savings by name of my mother in 2007. There was one of family acquaintance Mr. Jalil Ahmed resident of Gulshan Ravi Lahore (he knew our family for 20 years) convinced my mother and father to sell this house and invest in his small auto parts business and he will give him HALAL good fluctuating profit in range of 12-14% per annum. My parents invested Rs. 6 million (60lacs) against my will and this man gave fluctuating profit of only 20,000 per month (0.35% p.s only) for only 6-7 months to my parents and gave nothing since 2010 and I came to know this in Aug 2010 during my visit to Pakistan and demanded my money back, he started saying I will give back within 6-8 months. After constant delay from his side I involved my father in law who is also very religious and straight forward person

Since I am in KSA and not able to follow matter and afraid from delay and credibility of Pakistan Justice and Police department so tried to pressurized Mr Jalil through few neighbors and involved them and during one sitting (local panchayat) this man Jalil totally changed the stance and told he only owe us 42lac while our principle sum given to him was 60 lakhs in 2008 . He utilized the money for complete four years without any profit etc. Even if we go by agreed profit sharing formula we need from him around 10 Million still we told him give us back original amount of 60 lacs only. The same house which we sold in 2008 we cannot even buy in 1.2 crore now!! Ahh my sheer bad luck

To cut short we have stamp paper (with witness signatures) that he borrowed the money, and we have one post dated cheaque of PKR 42lac from this man (received in last Panchayat sitting) . Still me and my father in law not successful inspite of all above documents as we are Shareef humble people and this man openly claims that he know the local SHO and even if you take the matter to police I will be bailed out and then will teach you people a lesson. This man has money but due to our Sharafat and me being out of country enjoying and not giving back the money to us.

I am an educated person and position holder during F.SC and Engineering Degrees and recipient of President award during and this what happens to overseas Pakistanis hard earned income as there is very low faith in our Police and Justice system.

I was following the matter for last1-1/2 years but recently my boy is diagnosed with brain disease ( Brain Atrophy)and in dire need of money for his treatment. Due to this scenario my mother got heart attack and father became diabetic and hypertension patient and almost I spent 2-3 lacs on their treatment. I myself has developed high blood pressure as this was my halal very hard earned money…

Jazak Allah Khair Please assist me I have complete original documents with his CNIC copy this man is in Lahore and we know his shop and house.

This is all my hard earned saving for last 8 years. I am afraid from Pakistan Police / Patwar Culture. I really have high hopes from CPLC hope they create confidence, remove misunderstanding and narrow down the credibility gap between the police and the Public

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Kashif replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 01:59 PM 

Dear Mr. Proud,
Sorry to read your story, but unfortunately most of overseas facing similar problems. Just in this forum, number of people cry to not invest or partnership with friends/relative or even siblings. I myself a victim of my friend in almost similar condition.
1. Police never co-operate with sharif people, normally local Police have good idea that which party is wealthy and they will start co-operation with that family. You will disappoint to even discuss this matter with police. Yes, if you have good resources/approachable person then you should refer this case to police.
2. Justice system, you will probably waist most money to hire a lawyer.
3. It’s really hard to get co-operation from Patwar khana without rishwat.
Yes, If you will visit Pakistan yourself and look into this issue bravely then there might be some chances that he will get more money in that pressure. But based on your story, that person knows that you are not in Pakistan so he is not co-operating.

Overseas replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 02:47 PM 

Very sad, sorry to hear that, this is the culture of Pakistan. We all overseas pakistani think about our country and want to invest but everyone is ready to cut you, where we can trust, this is one of the reason our country is in bad situation.

1- Write a letter to chief justice
2- Write Letter to Chief Minister
3- Send a letter to Overseas pakistan commission
4- Write a letter to NAB chairman

these are the forums but you will lucky if you get help, but I would say approach everywhere you can.

Trust me it is your halal money and inshallah Allah will reward you and that person will be in loss here and afterhere.

overseas wisher replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 03:01 PM 

Sorry to hear about your story and there are thousands of Overseas stories like this.So, overseas guys be careful from Pakistan and try not to invest there.

First of all you need to deposit that check to the bank and when it bounce back, take that check and file a case against him and from case he can't escape. After that if police doesn't reigister the case then file a complain to Haji Habib - ur- Rehman agaianst that SHO and he will be suspended in days. Police is very scared of Shehbaz Sharif and Haji Habib. My brother is in police in Lahore and i know how much they are scared of Shehabz Sharif and that's why every body want him to go so there will be more corruption.

JUJ replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 05:10 PM 

Many of us believ in Shahbaz Sharif. He can solve your problem.

Furqan replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 05:15 PM 

I'm sorry to hear.
I'm also an overseas Pakistani and have been sending money back home since year 2000.
It is more less same story and i lost my money due to fraudulent housing schemes.

I can only pray for you.

I would also like to take this opportunity to record my grievencies with authorities and sensible people of Pakistan.

We overseas Pakistanis not only send money back home but we are source of foreign exchange.
No investor from any part of the world will be as much beneficiary to Pakistan as are remittances from overseas Pakistanis.

When ever we go to Pakistan embassy they demand donation, even if there is flood or not.

We do not earn in Pakistan but we pay local taxes.
Still we have no security and services in return of our contribution.

If an American work abroad he pay tax where he live and same is the case with other nations.
In Pakistan govt. earn most taxes from overseas Pakistanis.

As an example, I recently visited Pakistan and paid airport tax of around $400. This is perhaps twice a more than Tokyo or Hethrow!

Nadeem replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 05:18 PM 

This situation is not only with overseas Pakistani but also happening with people living inside Pakistan. My father had similar issue, he gave some corps stock to a broker to sell. He sold but never gave money, instead he said you never gave me anything. ALLAH will not let such people go easy. Such bad people will grab money from here and there for whole life but will never be happy. The victim will suffer in the beginning but at last inshAllah he will be succeeded in front of ALLAH.

Fahad replied on Friday, April 27, 2012 06:46 PM 

Dear Proud pakistani,
May Allah pak give you courage and patience. While surfing net, a solution came to my mind. In karachi a same case has been reported, and they take help from a political party. So, you can take help from any notorious person by paying him some percentage, and of course you have the right to disagree.
kind regards

Raheel replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 02:07 AM 

Dear Proud,
First of all its really very sad by reading your above situation.

Any way my porposal is what ever you are getting just put it into your pocket and leave every thing to All Mighty Allah. If this is your really hard income then you will never ever loose it. I gurantee as I have strong trust on All Mighty Allah being a muslim. Please take care of your Kid and Parents which are your primary responsibility. Forget about your money. Allah will return your back in another shape. Do not worry about teh money......... Otherwise I am afraid that your loss will increase more than 18 Lacs. Just focus on your future. May be you will hate my advice. But this is truth and this is what I can help you being a good muslim brother.

May All Mighty Allah Bless you contentment to bear this Big loss.

Lahori Guy replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 03:22 AM 

I'm sorry to say but it was really silly of you to buy the house in your mother's name. I don't care how close you are to your family or your parents, you never EVER buy anything in their name if you are supposed to be the owner. That is just careless, and you should have thought of the possibilities of what may happen, i.e. this kind of situation.

best of luck buddy

VilaitiBabu replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 05:51 AM 

Dear Brothers,

There are hundreds/thousands of families in Pakistan who has become victim of such typical Shikari / Hunters which I would say cancer of the society who are initially so polite and pretend they will give you a certain percentage of profit.
They will show the GREEN GARDEN / SABZ BAAGH saying our business is running very well but if we get more investment, then business will fly. Those Shikari also give you regular profit on time for initial couple of months but gradually they start delaying the payments, then missing a month in between telling business is not going good this month because of Current Political and economic situation. They have millions execuses proving their point.

Finally, they stop giving you profit completely.
When you start asking them in the begining, they explain politly, that they will do something soon and when you pressurise them, they just stand infront and say 'Kar Lo jo karna hai'. Maarna hai, to humain maar do par Paisay nahi hain.

Most interesting thing is eventhough they show business is not doing good but if you look at their own living expense won't stop or affected by this and even their life style improves using someone else money.

I have same story, my brother had some savings few years ago & his childhood old friend once came saying he has very good garage which is running very good but only need some investor and when my brother shown his interest, he started doing same story I explained above.
That garage man succeded in his aim and my brother agreed to give him hard earned money of about a million on monthly profit. He gave regular profit for first 4 months and them same story.
It has been 7 years now and he neither returned capital money nor profit. He keeps doing Taal Matole, he will be getting some money from his father's property then will give. Then said, his wife will get her share from her parents and then he will give some money. So on and so forth.

The purpose of above story is that your Money only belongs to you unless it is in your pocket but the time it leaves your pocket to such Cancer of Society, that money will no longer yours. It is better to have no profit rather than to have no capital money.
You can find these Cancer of Society everywhere: in your street, among your relatives, among friends or perhaps everywhere and THEIR EASY TARGET ARE ALWAYS OVERSEASE PAKISTANI.

SO BEWARE OF SUCH PEOPLE who has nothing in their hand but they always play with other people's money. Recent and biggest example is DOUBLE SHAH.

Regards,

VilaitiBabu

Khawaja replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 06:05 AM 

Dear

Please write a letter to Pakistan Embassy with all detail.I hope Pak Embassy will help you.please find below some Pakistan Embassy Riyadh contacts.
Syed Hammad Abid
CWA-II (Community Welfare Attache'-II)
E-mail:
Ph: (966)-
Abdul Ghaffar
Legal Advisor
Mobile:
Asadulllah M. Ibrahim
Arabic Translator
E-mail:
Phone: (966)-
Enquiries & Complaints
Ph: (966)-, 2119, 2116

Amir replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 06:07 AM 

There are two factors which determine your financial stratus. These are emotional intelligence and financial intelligence. Your educational background and IQ Level have got nothing to do with financial status. Emotional intelligence and financial intelligence are always inversely proportional to each other as natural laws of universe. That's why you see the people with PHD degrees and with other specialized skills running after jobs. The one with financial intelligence irrespective of his educational background excels because of his money management ability. By no means I intend to undermine the importance of good education.

Ali Doha replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:02 PM 

Dear Pakistani
plz write me you e mail ID and your contact no
My e mail is : fsaliqs A T yahoo.com

ddd replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 04:57 AM 

try to contact local MNA /MPA OF UR AREA,because its election times may be he helps you
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