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   dubai
Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:02 AM 
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Hussain kaisarani sb!!

I have heard Bahria town has imposed some development charges on awami villas Lahore... are yu aware of this development?? if yes then how much are the charges, installment size and when is the first installment due?? thanks

dubai


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Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 01:56 PM 

No brother, I have not heard about it yet though imposition of some charges is expected in near future.
I will share it here till Tuesday if such announcement is made.

dubai replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 02:46 PM 

kaisarani sb...its confirmed.. Bahria has imposed the charges. its 2 lacs plus..will get the exact figure tomorrow morning.. actually i sold my file on friday and today dealer told me about this development that I have been saved as buyer will now pay the charges.
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 03:05 PM 

Thanks for the confirmation though it is only a dealer's announcement.
No such announcement was made till Saturday morning. I am expecting an amount of Rs.250,000/= to be imposed.
How much you got from your Awami Villa's sale. Was it a Standard or premium Villa?
Best of luck for your sale.
Moin Khan replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 03:15 PM 

@Hussain Kaisrani: Sorry for throwing out of topic Q here. Did anyone get possession of Ghazanvi/Shesha in Sector-F?
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 04:00 PM 

@Moin Khan Sahib,
I was of the view that possession of Ghazanvi and Shershah Blocks of Sector F is not yet offered.
Hafiz Sajad Sahib stated on this forum that possession has been given. He is a very learned person about Bahria Town projects so we should believe the information provided by him.
Moin Khan replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 04:09 PM 

@Hussain Kaisrani

I got SHOCKED/SURPRISED to hear that. Since there is no news about this so I though to get a second opinion from you.

Hafiz Sajad Sahib seems to be the GURU of BTL and has mentioned that 5 houses are under construction and 10 mapped are approved for construction. It came as a big time surprise as if this is the case then why BT is not beating the drums about this.
Still can't believe!!!!

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 04:19 PM 

@ Moin Khan

There are many reasons that Bahria Town can not afford to beat the drums and the main reason behind it, is that Sector F is not an approved project. Bahria Town did not own it (or at least will avoid to announce its activities) in the national newspapers etc etc.

Secondly Bahria Town Lahore management likes to keep its market slow. Again there are many reason behind this approach but the main one is to reduce the memberships of its non existing projects.
Hope this makes some sense.
Moin Khan. replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 04:35 PM 

@Hussain Kaisrani. Thanks for the update!
It seems like they overbooked Sector F and unable to get the required land that they have planned initially. Now trying to reduce the membership by either buying back to keep a low profile so that prices do not appreciate or merging which is gong at moment.

Ref: >> Sector F is not an approved project.
I guess sector E is also not approved BUT they have advertised that they completed the development in record time.

Thanks again for your input!
dubai replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 04:40 PM 

@kaisarani sb... it was a premium villa file.. it sold in 17,80,000 rs....actually i want to exit from bahria and invest in DHA...just winding up everything from bahria... fed up of these cunning tactics..atleast DHA will give peace of mind that my investment is in safe heaven of army scheme :)
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 04:55 PM 

@ Moin Khan,
You got the point.
As per my understanding Bahria Town has not made any announcement regarding its Sector E in national newspapers. I may be wrong if you have personally seen Sector E advertisement.

@ dubai,
You got a good price and it is a good return on your investment.
One should move to DHA if not satisfied with investment in Bahria though Bahria Town is equally rewarding in general.
Yes, Its cunning tactics and games are creating disturbance to many of its members.
Good Luck brother!
Moin Khan replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 05:17 PM 

@Hussain Kaisrani.
I can see an upward movement in the prices of Ghazanavi block for last couple of months.
That supports what Hafiz sahib's point that 5 houses are under construction and 10 maps are approved for construction.

Thanks an bunch!
Hafiz Sajad replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 06:28 PM 

bros let me tell you something the reason for possesion is that Quaid block is next to ghaznavi block, i dont remember the rates but 6-8 months ago people with a low budget bought at the end of bt(quaid) to make a house to save 15-20 lac in land cost which would ensure completion of their 10 marla house. i remember a rate diffrence of 8- 10 lacs between quaid and ghaznavi blocks on ground u cant tell the diffrence only on the map, they are intagrated togather, one guy instead of quaid bought ghaznavi and went to al-falah building for permission, now bt also wanted construction to start their also so upon a request and justification by the plot owner that all development is complete and there is no diffrence between quaid and ghaznavi bt gave permission and now many houses are under construction.
HHH replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 06:32 PM 

@Hafiz sahib
Shed some light on BT Karachi project. Is the land bought from the government or is it private land? Is it good to invest?
Hafiz Sajad replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 06:38 PM 

all land bought from govt, all lies in the paper today :), but heaving said that their are no issues, that land was barron every one sold it at their own free will, no coersion involved. all paid for and dont worry, only zardari under the guliteen MR safe from army aslong as he cooparates with General Raheel.
HHH replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 06:43 PM 

@Hafiz Sahib
You really are a BT Guru. Tell us about DHA Valley ISB. MR was supposed to acquire land and give it to DHA. He didn't. Now what? He was called in GHQ lately for a meeting on the issue. Then, he gave a statement on TV saying issue is only dadocha dam. Is it really just the dam because as far as I know most of the land is also not acquired and not people demanding 6 lacs per kanal for it.
Shah replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 07:00 PM 

@Hafiz Sahib
As you have so much knowledge about bahria town I want to ask an out of topic question for which I am not getting answer any where.

The biggest problem that residents face is at canal exit/entry point and we heard that bahria are planning to build a flyover at shahkam chowk. Do you have any news about that or any other solution in their mind to solve this entry problem? Thankyou
Hafiz Sajad replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 07:26 PM 

@HHH MR has given cheques to general raheel shareef of close to 30 billion rupees and dated december 2015, they will be cashed if he dosent by land and deliver dha vally by december.
@Shah sahib bt has gotten approval of the flyover at shahkaam chowk, they have also paid the nessary bribes to punjab govt for cionstruction. the problem is that factory on the chowk where the signal is, they are a strong group and are affiliated with n league, they have a stay in place also the owner of imperial college building has gotten a stay, they tried to cover the canal road with a wall sometime back but bahria stoped them by sending security guards, so its stays after stays. punjab govt is not in favor of bt in lahore so they arnt doing much to help. MR is busy in karachi so even hes not paying much attention to the problem yet.
Moin Khan replied on Sunday, June 21, 2015 08:39 PM 

@Hafiz Sajad [BT Guru]. Can you please advise if BTL allow for 2 car porch for a corner 10M plot?
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 03:01 AM 

@ Rasheed
Thanks for providing the link of ads. I am aware of these ads appeared on website and distributed as a separate paper placed in the newspaper. My point is that Bahria Town did not make any advertisement and announcement about its Sector E and F in national newspaper (at least in the Punjab).
I would be obliged if you could provide the link from any national newspaper. If we can find such an announcement / ads, it will help us in understanding the level of Bahria Town's relations with LDA (and Lahore Sarkar).
Thanks.
Arshad replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 04:29 AM 

Dear Kaisrani , after Sept 2013, only LDA approved societies/ areas can give ads in newspapers, ads are not allowed now according to LDA by laws till u get approval , even u can't start road construction ant can't give map
MA Khan replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 05:39 AM 

@ Hafiz Sajjad Sb! Thanks a lot again for all the valuable information above.
Lets sum up the matter by considering worst case scenarios. Whats the bottom line of Bahria Town in following cases:
1- MR fails to buy the land and deliver the DHA Valley Project and Army encashes his cheques.
2- BT fails to deliver Sector-F, Golf View, Greens etc. in next 1-2 years.
3- MR is Held by authorities for Land issue in Karachi.
4- MR is bankcrupted and fails to deliver non finished projects and files.
5- Sector D,E, F are declared illegal by authorites, then what will be standing of owners.
6- As all Bahria Land in Malik Riaz name, then what will happen when he dies (Mal Allah give him long life and seha) but as you know one man is different from society owned land.

( Either affectees will be paid back be NAB or ARMY )
So the point is to know te results in worst case scenario.
:) :) :) :) :)
Regards
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 06:54 AM 

@ Arshad
Thanks a lot for making the matter clear. Yes, this is the reason that there is no chance of appearing any ad. regarding unapproved sectors of Bahria Town, Lahore.

@ MA Khan,
Brother! why should we discuss these kinds of extremes. Nothing like this is going to happen so only practical issues should be taken into consideration and discussion.
Lets hope for the best.
Moin Khan replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 07:43 AM 

Question: Is DHA is also approved by LDA?
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 07:51 AM 

Question: What is the ratio of change in map in DHA? What are the chances of revision of Prism DHA Lahore Phase 9 map?
MA Khan replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 08:10 AM 

@ Hussain Kaisrani,

I agree with you that nothing will happen Inshallah & All will be good hopefully.

Just as a lighter side i raised this issue as lot of people were cursing for their investments in Bahria which are not handed over or balotted yet. In fact the reality is that Sector F is only 2 years old and 4 blocks are already developed and greens also not very old project, whereas Comparing with any other society and specially in DHA next generation gets grown up till the possession.
E.A. replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 08:23 AM 

Dear MA Khan Sb.
The problem is not the DELAYS, actually it is UNCERTAINTY, while investing with DHA one thing sure that they issue files against the land only while BT issue files in the AIR and they issue more than the available land.

so once you know that land is available then by end of the day the specific project will be developed, but once you know that Land is not available then somehow you get upset, like Greens, Golf and Sector F (additional land for non-balloted files).

anyhow I am not against BT, I still hope that the things will get on track soon and everybody will get exit on profit from Bahria Town.
lets wait and look forward to hear something favorable from Bahria about the unfinished projects.

Thanks
MA Khan replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 08:48 AM 

Dear E.A Sb,

I agree with you. Being human it is natural to worry about hard earned money being invested in these projects.

Actually in these type of uncertain situations I have seen that always investor makes money by purchasing files/plots from common people who have one or 2 plots at minus and makes money on the same later on when storm of uncertainty is over.

As I am witness that lot of people dumbed their plots and files in 2012 when MR & Arslan Iftikhar issue was there and investors purchased all these items at very cheap prices and later on made huge profits on those things and those who sold at that time kept seeing the rising prices in Bahria and got astonished.

I hope all will be good Inshallah.

Regards
Muhammad Asif replied on Monday, June 22, 2015 11:51 PM 

@Hussain Kaisrani Sb, Appreciate if you can share some info regarding Awami villas. What is the difference between standard and premium awami villas.
How long you see for these villas to get developed and get possession.
Thanks.
Hussain Kaisrani replied on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 04:50 AM 

@ dubai

I have got it confirmed that Bahria Town has not imposed any development charges on its Awami Villas project yet. Your dealer has provided you wrong information in this regard.

Having said that I am of the view that Bahria Town will impose some kind of charges upto Rs.200,000/=. It seems that the amount will be payable after possession and in installments.

@ Rasheed

I am sorry that these files are not being downloaded / opened on my computer. You may email it to me on
Thanks.

@ Muhammad Asif

The project is discussed in detail here on this page as well as on my blog. Please search Awami Villas here or use the following link for further information.
http://kaisrani.blogspot.com/search?q=Awami+Villas

Things are now changed a lot. In present situation, Awami Villas Lahore are being offered as an apartment / flat project in Bahria Orchard Lahore.
The premier villas are supposed to be offered on ground floor and standard on other floors.
These villas are being developed in Bahria Orchard. The speed of construction work (check from the link provided below) shows that possession could be offered within 2015.
These are my views and I don't have any inside information.

http://kaisrani.blogspot.com/2015/06/bahria-orchard-and-awami-villas-lahore.html
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