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| Hassan |
| fakher_37@hotmail.com | | City & Country: - | |
 Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:08 PM PST Reply: 
Inquiry
DEAR CMY.
PLS GIVE US SOME PROPER INFO THERE IS VERY STRONG FEELING IN MARKET ABOUT PARAGON CITY LAHORE WILL MERGE WITH DHA LAHORE. HOW TRUTH ? HOPE YOU CAN GIVE LEAD US IN RIGHT DIRECTION THKS ALWAYS.
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| 43785) | |
| Rana |
| samik@hotmail.com | | City & Country: Lahore | |
 Saturday, July 4, 2009 05:42 PM PST Reply: 
Newly constructed house ( Safari Vilas ) for rent
Shakeel replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 07:35 PM PST
Villa number and rent? |
Rana replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 08:25 PM PST
Rent Rs.17999.
can contact me on 03217273710 |
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| Frasat Mir |
| frasatmir@hotmail.com | | Phone:5366906 | City & Country: DOHA QATAR | |
 Saturday, July 4, 2009 04:38 PM PST Reply: 
Discussion
Dear CMY SAHAB
At present if I being overseas Pakistani,want to buy a 4 bedrooms house somewhere in vacinity of DHA,what would be your expert advise,?Please tell me about SOME(not 100%)house finance from HBFC or other source.
THANKS
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| 43783) | |
| Frasat Mir |
| frasatmir@hotmail.com | | Phone:5366906 | City & Country: DOHA QATAR | |
 Saturday, July 4, 2009 04:37 PM PST Reply: 
Discussion
Dear CMY SAHAB
At present if I being overseas Pakistani,want to buy a 4 bedrooms house somewhere in vacinity of DHA,what would be your expert advise,?Please tell me about SOME(not 100%)house finance from HBFC or other source.
THANKS
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 Saturday, July 4, 2009 01:58 PM PST Reply: 
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 Saturday, July 4, 2009 01:56 PM PST Reply: 
new rates of transfer of plots in dha lahore! (phase 6 & 7)
Dear Viewers,
The new cvt rates and stamp duty has been officially announced by dha lahore on friday evening.
Cvt charges are 4 percent and stamp duty is 2 percent on all phases. phase 1 to phase 5 the d.c rate has been enhanced and the transfer charges have increased substantially but in phases 6 and 7 they remain the same. Thus the plots in dha phase 6 and phase 7 transfer charges have only increased by Rs. 25000/-(earlier the cvt was Rs. 25000/- and the stamp duty was Rs.25000/-: now only the cvt has increased to Rs. 50000/-)
Some property dealers are creating confusion and quoting much higher charges for these two phases so I thought of posting this note so that owners of plots in these two phases should know the factual position.
p.s. I have seen the dha lahore office order with the new rates personally!
Jameel replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 02:01 PM PST
CMY Can you tell us DC rates of all DHA Phases staring from 1 to 9 and Pls also explain is there no CVT on Central park as I hard it out of Lahore Merto Ploitan area |
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| Mumshad |
| shad@yahoo.com | | City & Country: - | |
 Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:26 AM PST Reply: 
LDA Avenue -1
What is wrong with LDA Avenue-1. Who is resposible for delay. Will the Chif Minister, Punjab take notice ?
Jameel replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 02:20 PM PST
No One only Litgation and Pakistan Dewani Law, There are more than 400 Dewani cases Of litigation in LDA avenue 1, Some Of People who already sold to LDA angain Filed cases, Taking different Excuses Like One Brother telling My elder Brother did Not take me in confidence before selling to LDA 1, So project will go at snail track as 400000/10 Merla Including Land cost and develpment, Now when Project has been 4 years late even 8 Lacs is not enough to develop this.
One Of FWO worker told me that rates are so Low that we are taking filling from the Plots to level the Roads and there will be no quality of work. Withn this Money LDA will only be able to carpet some Roads and provide some non fuctional sewage. Electricity and gas Provision looks impossible unless Govt of Punjab provides big grant.
Case was discissed in last CM office who said if people are not Making homes in Jubilee who have all the Facilities for 8 Years, then there is no Logic the Govt should give grant to LDA 1. That is reason LDA 2 Plan has been scrapped.
2 years Bck Lahore Nazim pressurized LDA to give "Fake" possession to some 0.5% allotees, It was just a political stent to shold efficiency |
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| 43779) | |
| kaf |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 11:59 PM PST Reply: 
| Ad Type | City | Scheme | Phase | | Cur. Rate | Lahore | PACE | Woodlands |
Dear Fellows,
Can some one give piece of advise abt PACE Woodlands ( Project of ready houses.) its location in Badia Rd, abt 2 KM from Bhata chock. Is it good idea to buy there, also is it well priced ? its abt 55 lacs for 9 Marla house with out fittings.
Thanks in advance.
many thanks
kaf
Khawar replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 01:43 PM PST
Its not 2 KM from bhatta chowk. Its towards elite force training center on bedian rd and next to DHA phase 7. If you are talking about the structure only then the price is very high for that location. You should go for DHA villas in parkview or divine gardens. Both have best location. |
Fayyaz replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 05:02 PM PST
Dear Khawar,
Thanks for your input actually I am interested in pace woodland too. The thing about pace woodlands is, its installments and quick possession and it suits my budget as well, divine villas seems to be very late possession and bit expensive as well.
Would you please give more details about DHA villas. Looking Forward to see your valuable input in this regards.
Kind Regards,
Fayyaz |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 09:13 PM PST Reply: 
Plot for Sale | Ad Type | City | Scheme | Phase | Block | Plot | Size | Road | Demand(Rs) | Features | | For Sale | Lahore | Bahria Town | Sec, C | Tulip | 239 | 10 M | 40 f | 1320000 | Corner |
Very good location near Golf Cores and few feet away from Central Commercial area. Plot is appeared on ground and fully developed. 40 feet rods on both sides. All 10 installments are paid.
Please contect by e mail
A Reader replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 09:38 PM PST
Very interesting.
A plot near Golf "Cores" "is appeared" on ground with 40 feet "rods" on both sides must be an amazing "sight" to make a home. BTW this Golf "Cores" is now a mini golf "cores" of just a few kanals. (Some pun intended.) |
Abdul Hameed replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 10:31 PM PST
Mr. Reader I am not selling Golf Cores its a plot only. If you have lack of Knowledge, see Bahria Town mape for this location. I think you need a Visit of this area.
If any friend is interested to buy this plot. I recomand him to Visit there ...first. |
Abdul Hameed replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:06 AM PST
This area and plot is fully developed with roads as mentioned in BT map. For further Inquiry, call BT LHR Office and see BT Web Site. |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 09:06 PM PST Reply: 
Divine Gardens
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 08:40 PM PST Reply: 
Interest is haraam and is one of the major sins in Islam, which can never become halaal at all. There is no argument or difference of opinion on this issue. Whoever makes a difference or dispute on this issue has differed from Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
The seriousness of “interest” is shown by Aayaat of the Qura'an and many Ahadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him):
Allaah says;
278. "O you who believe! Be afraid of Allâh and give up what remains (due to you) from Ribâ (usury) (from now onward), if you are (really) believers." Al-Baqarah.
And Allaah says:
275. "Those who eat Ribâ (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitân (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: Trading is only like Ribâ (usury), whereas Allâh has permitted trading and forbidden Ribâ (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribâ (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allâh (to judge); but whoever returns (to Ribâ (usury)), such are the dwellers of the Fire they will abide therein." Al-Baqarah.
And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“a man's eating of a dirham of interest is worse than his committing adultery thirty six times” reported by Imam Ahmad.
And he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed the one who takes the interest, who gives it, who writes the contract and the two who witness it, and he said these are all equal. Reported by Muslim from Jabir (may Allaah be pleased with him).
One common question is that, is interest permissible for those who live in a non-Muslim country?
Whether we live in a Muslim country or a non-Muslim country interest can never become permissible, in fact living in this country has a much higher standard for many people than if they had to live in a Muslim country. And people who make the interest permissible in this country would do the same in a Muslim country because the economic system of Muslim countries is no different from non-Muslim countries.
May Allaah help and guide us to do all that He is pleased with.
Source:
http://www.drkhalid.co.uk/Interest.php
Muslim replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 09:09 PM PST
Very intersting debate. We are talking about interest and giving quotations from Hadith and Quran. Can the writer tell whether the intention of Quran or Hadith was with reference to present day Interest or something else. If the reference was to present day interest , then what about others sins which have far more serious consequences in the society than interest. Consequences of intetrest could be just economic to the society. But look at other sins like INJUSTICE , Heroin , iliteracy , unequal distribution of weath in society, one family living for entire month on Rs. 6000, and so on & on.
I would ask the respectable readers of this site that the MUSLIMS have suffered and are suffering beacuse of the closed mindedness and misinterpretation of quran and hadith by our mullahs who predominantly are educated on a 200 yeras old course and syllabus.They even do not know where the moden world is today and are moving in circles around petty things.
The critics of the interest should come up with a practical solution to the problem. Not just criticising but to suggest a practical alternate.In today's world suppose a needy needs money. what should he do. where should he go.
My intention is not to heart anyone's feeling but to have a healthy debate. |
Vistor11 replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:44 AM PST
Brothers,
Eating Riba is Haramm, there is no doubt in it but there is differencs in openion for any one who is bound to pay interest/riba.
For example in his mortgage payment, bank loans, overdrafts and may be in insurances like car insurance, home insurance which is must in foreign countries.
Mr.Javed Ahmed Gamdi has explained it very well, may be he must have something about this on his website. |
Hamid, Toronto replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 01:54 AM PST
Guys,
Give us a break. This is not a religious forum. I am pretty sure you will find out million of forums for religious preaching. To be honest, we really don’t need this discussion this forum.
I would strongly suggest administrator to delete this post in your early convenient time. |
Jameel replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 02:30 PM PST
we should have an alternate system, untill that come financial sytems cant be run. If all islamic Scholors and Financial experts sit together and Broad mindedly make some Solution we should accept.
Honestly I myself believe that any soultion will not be much different than current system. |
Imran replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:01 PM PST
Salam all visitors. as per above discussion topic i would like to add some thing related to that. I fully agree with who mentioned rulling regarding interest he give us knowledge from Quran and hadith and its related to our businesses we know most of the peoples takes loans to built homes, purchase cars etc and he make good effort for us to notify that we should avoided that way. and totally disagree with the "Muslim" who's thinking clearly look like non Muslim who's is telling us that our society is not a society level of the non Muslim societies due to the mullas. and telling us what about others issues rather than interst issues listen mr. Muslim we are not failed due to not using interest but only leaving our path which included all thing which our Allah and Prophet(peace be upon him)told and we ignored including interest we are not discussing here all issues but one which started "interest" so first we have to focus on it rather than all because everything done step by step not together.We should watch and think over it rather then denying and telling our own ideas. please note that as they said these are old rules we should make a new rues regarding current situation how dam shit is that its mean he and we know better than our Almighty Allah who even know before our creation and written down in lohe mahfooz what will be everyone will do and what not he know everything from start till end. and his mean that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) also don't know about future if they know they don't mentioned that in Quran and Hadith. Quran is for all world from past nations and for this and for coming till end and its perfect for all the world previous all rules in previous boobs been amended or changed and our Quran the final order for everyone... if u cant accept this u are not Muslim.. as per our religion its straight away deny of the order as iblees did.. so whenever u told anything and make yourself respectable for others just see in your side what u know abut that what's your knowledge what's your characteristics and wt u have to say then u should interfere in any matter this is not a small matter this is our Almighty Allah and our Last Prophet (peace be upon him ) matter and our dean matter not gen. musharaf and zardarii..it will be asked at the day of end. so be careful ..
another thing compulsory to mentioned here is that as per your kind information the interest based economy is already failed in all the world.. including big countries as fall of world crises u can see and it cant be fruitful for anyone because its laanat..so utny pawon philao jitni chadar ho... and one thing for mr. jameel we all know that is not religious site its property website but when we are seeing that there is some confusion between in our Muslim brothers knowledge we should ignore all the work and do first this to solve this problem because at the end we don't have to tell property updates but this must be asked how did u helped some one's didn't u said some one when they need to tell because we here to give exam of our lives and this is our first priority to do right and do for others not for ourselves only. Allah showed us the right path to follow and we have to follow and remain on it till death and shall be successful. Allah give us success in this world and in ahirat(amin)..sorry if i hurt some one feelings but be careful especially our religious matters its our everything...see in past what we were only one person Muhammad (peace be upon him) changed this world with the help of Allah..and we were not powerful as much as we are today's.. see and read history...not devalue ourselves we are best because of our Allah..wt we need is to be please always try to do and help others and never think that u r king...Allah is King for all universe. no any one. Fee Amanillah.. |
Ali3 replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:38 PM PST
you religious guys just say "Interest is haram", my question is: "interest on what"? According to my research inflation is also haram, non-regulted printing of new currency is also haram. For a principle of Sharia to be implemented on a certain issue, all the principles and criterias have to be met.
I have written a detailed analysis on this topic few weeks ago, but until now no one has answered it. You just keep quoting half truths, half sentenses, half Ayats, etc. |
Hamid, Toronto replied on Sunday, July 5, 2009 12:39 AM PST
Totally I agree with Ali Bhai. First of all we should not discuss this topic on this forum. Secondly I have to admit it that we cannot change fundamental thoughts of hardliner. I would called them “Neem Khakeem Khatra Jaan”
I would strongly suggest to my brothers please please talk logically do not called “non-muslim” to other if you are disagree with his/her thoughts.
Here is simple logical example. Let say you have 100,000 rupees on Jan 2000 and you decided to put this money under the bed instead of depositing in the bank or investing anywhere.
At the end year 2009, the value of 100,000 will be 38,000. Here is simple math.
I would account Annual inflation just for 10%. At the end of each year your 100,000 rupees will be as follow:
2001= 90,000
2002= 81,000
2003= 73,000
2004=64,000
2005=58,000
2006=52,000
2007=47,000
2008=42,000
2009=38,000
I would like to see ONLY logical answer here. NO RELIGIOUS REFERENCE PLEASE. |
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| Jino |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 08:28 PM PST Reply: 
Dear CMY and All,
I have a budget of 10 lakh to 15 lakh for an investment in lahore. I seek professional advise to invest in any potential or upcoming society.
My objective is to hold property for a longer period of time and expect some substainal growth. Appreciate thoughts and sellers interest in reply.
Best Regards and God bless us all and Pakistan.
salman replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 08:49 PM PST
nfc 2 |
Jameel replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 10:50 PM PST
For a time being Peoperty is Low and it is the best time to buy. I shall divide the Property in 3 Parts
Investnt Grade
Like File or Societies which are so far off that Poupulation is not reality
Interemediate Grade
Like developed or semi developed and you may find some scope in 5 to 10 Years
Mature Property
like Those which You can maKe Home and People are already Living there
Inm this negative sentiment If You invest in Mature Property that will be best, Intermediate Grade is Good Too. But i shall not Invest in Investment grade.
The way inflation is going on in Long Run Like in 20 yeats people will Laugh that I Bought This Plot in NFC 2 or Central Park in 12 Lakh But now You can Hardly buy 2,3 Nice Suits in 12 lakh |
Jino replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 03:23 AM PST
Dear Salman and Jameel Sb,
Many thanks for the reply. Please advise NFC 2 current price?
So for short term, medium term and long term which are the best properties ?
Thanks again.
Allah Hafiz. |
Kashif replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 01:32 PM PST
Buy a one kanal plot in A or B block of NFC phase 2 between 12 and 13 lakh including dev charges. It will be more than double in 3 years. Its hard to find a better investment in this budget. |
limo replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 07:15 PM PST
Jameel, correct me if i go wrong. Out of the three categories you explained, you are proposing to invest in a matured property, i dont know why.Dont you think a property already matured would bring about very little profit against the money you invest. Whereas being an investor, intermediate grade sounds more attractive to me, as the money i am going to invest in will be little, and surely multiply my money in good sums after a period of say 5 years.For example in Bahria town (B Sector), i may get a 10 marls for around 20 lacks, which is going to be of almost same worth after 3 to 4 years.Same is the case with wapda town.These fall under matured catergory.Whereas an investment done in DHA 6,7,8,9,Parkview,NFC-2 will surely give good sums to investor 5 years from now, they fall in intermediate grade. Just my opinion. |
A.M.BUTT replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 08:41 PM PST
Mr Salman,
Please follow the idea of Mr Kashif, buy one "kanal" plot in NFC-2
no need to think much I visited NFC,OPF WAPDA Nfc is best by location and price. |
Ali3 replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:50 PM PST
How much more high can the prices go? Prices in the developed countries, where you get a high quality life, good free education, health, medical, justice, security, pollution free enviroment, not fake products, your money's worth of things you buy, the prices are aprox four to five times the average yearly income.
In Pakistan the prices are more than 50 times the average annual income!!! HOW much more boom will come? Don't forget, boom can be both ways.
If you buy a property worth Rs.35 lacs and give it on rent, you get around Rs.15 to 20 thousand per month and you have to pay a heavy tax on it, rental tax, property tax, utilities tax like water, etc, and taxes from various other departments, like in DHA karachi they are suddenly asking a very heavy amount from everyone, even old houses, for building new drains. They are supposed to build drains in the first place. I think they should give a penalty for delaying it for 25 years.
Keep the same in Behbood NSS, you get Rs.50,000 tax free, hurdle free! |
Jameel replied on Sunday, July 5, 2009 12:02 AM PST
Dear Limo,
My own experince is that mature Property gains are more and it gives you more satisfaction and Liqidity. In Jan 2007 when I was buying one Kanal plot in Valancia @ 28 to 29 lac I had These Options with Me
LDA 1 in about 30 to 32 Lakh
DHA phase 7 In 34 to 36
Nasheman 1 in about 30
I was scratching my head But I went for Valancia as it looked relatively cheaper in Comparison. Now same Plot is about 40% Up. I also Bought in DHA 7 when Market was in deep Cut and that is 7% Low today. I also Bought in NFC 2 and that is 10% up. I feel Most satisfied in Valancia, where I can make house, or sell it immediaely getiing good gain. Now I feel I should have Bought 2 or 3 In Valancia at that time.
In the deep Negatve sentiment Now You can Buy In Bahria sector B in 15 to 16 Lakh even Sector A and overseas A In about 12 to 13 Lakh [These are best Bargain Prices]
Intermediate grade is good too Like NFC 2 where Map is avalable and Land is acquired.
Investment grade should better be Avoded. I can Give You examples of Such Propertties and They are standstill for Last 20 years. Twenty years is Substatial period of Your Life Like You Buy at 40 and still You cant Make House in 60 or You cant sell it as a Mature Poperty.
These Investment grade properties were Floated in Early 90s and still people are not Living there.
IEP
Audit and Account
KEMC
Architect
Abdalian
Chinar Bagh
AWT 1
Nespak 2 Both sites 1 & 2
Muhafiz 2
Some of Above Societies are on Super Location and development is also Ok But still Not worth living. So if You go for investment Grage Society Today there are only 25% Chances that You end up Getting smoeting good in 10 Years.
For Marginal difference I will not Goto some thing uncertain. |
Jameel replied on Sunday, July 5, 2009 12:05 AM PST
Dear Limo,
My own experince is that mature Property gains are more and it gives you more satisfaction and Liqidity. In Jan 2007 when I was buying one Kanal plot in Valancia @ 28 to 29 lac I had These Options with Me
LDA 1 in about 30 to 32 Lakh
DHA phase 7 In 34 to 36
Nasheman 1 in about 30
I was scratching my head But I went for Valancia as it looked relatively cheaper in Comparison. Now same Plot is about 40% Up. I also Bought in DHA 7 when Market was in deep Cut and that is 7% Low today. I also Bought in NFC 2 and that is 10% up. I feel Most satisfied in Valancia, where I can make house, or sell it immediaely getiing good gain. Now I feel I should have Bought 2 or 3 In Valancia at that time.
In the deep Negatve sentiment Now You can Buy In Bahria sector B in 15 to 16 Lakh even Sector A and overseas A In about 12 to 13 Lakh [These are best Bargain Prices]
Intermediate grade is good too Like NFC 2 where Map is avalable and Land is acquired.
Investment grade should better be Avoded. I can Give You examples of Such Propertties and They are standstill for Last 20 years. Twenty years is Substatial period of Your Life Like You Buy at 40 and still You cant Make House in 60 or You cant sell it as a Mature Poperty.
These Investment grade properties were Floated in Early 90s and still people are not Living there.
IEP
Audit and Account
KEMC
Architect
Abdalian
Chinar Bagh
AWT 1
Nespak 2 Both sites 1 & 2
Muhafiz 2
Some of Above Societies are on Super Location and development is also Ok But still Not worth living. So if You go for investment Grage Society Today there are only 25% Chances that You end up Getting smoeting good in 10 Years.
For Marginal difference I will not Goto some thing uncertain. |
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| Zaka Ul Haq |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 07:36 PM PST Reply: 
Visiting Newyork Any brother from NY
I am visiting Newyork for the period from 17 July to 1st August 09 for some exam. Exam place is in 1 Penn Plaza near NY Penn station.
Anybody from Newyork please guide me in getting a budget room where I can spend my time. The place should be near some Pakistani food. Preferably If I can get some paying guest place. I would appreciate if the moderator can keep this for some time
yesss replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:05 AM PST
there is a great Pakistani restaurant on 33rd street between broadway and 7th Ave. It is one block from Penn Plaza. The restaurant is called SALT AND PEPPER. There is also a Pakistani restaurant right off 5th Avenue on 27th Street. It is between 5th and Broadway.
That is my area so I know it well. I am not sure how much you want to pay for a room. Manhattan is not cheap. |
Zaka Ul Haq replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 02:09 PM PST
Brother Mirza Baig and Mr. Yesss,
Thanks a lot for your guidance. Brother I have currently booked in Four Points hotel on 40th street. Got Chenab restaurant near. I would be paying about $135 per day net there but it is very expensive for 15 days stay. Looking for maximum US$50/60 per day.
Thanks for guiding me a place within my budget but reasonable place without any disturbance. My email address is yaar_bahoo@hotmail.com and I am currently residing in Sana'a Yemen. |
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| GHAZANFAR ALTAF |
ghazanfar_asian@yahoo.c... om | | Phone:03218486661 | City & Country: - | |
 Friday, July 3, 2009 06:55 PM PST Reply: 
STATE LIFE
i am back and i want a plote in state life socitey only owner contact me
Ghazi Ali replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 07:13 PM PST
You will get onw.
Dua karo
Welcome back, by the way |
Abba Hazur replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 08:50 PM PST
Ghazanfar!
Pehchana, nai pehchana
How long did you have to serve in jail for that fraud case? |
Niamat Ali replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 09:12 PM PST
I have a plot in State Life Phase II. On 150 road. CC Block. Demand 18 Lacs fixed. No bargain.
Niamat Ali
e-mail:- niamatali1960@yahoo.com |
visitor11 replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:50 AM PST
Brother Niamat,
Be a little flexible and mako a space for negotiation, What will you do if the map changes and you get a worse location. The map for state life 2 is not approved yet and there are huge chances that it will change. |
Niamat replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 02:51 PM PST
Dear Visiter11.
Be aware that SL Ph II has included all the development charges with nothing to pay in future. Like Phase I the deveopment is pretty good with good width of roads and ficility. Lahore is expanding wide around in all directions, especially DHA Phase 9/10 surrounding, henceforth, this place is going to be hot cake after 3 to 4 years of time frame.
Thank you.
Niamat |
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| Arsalan |
| alp.arsalan@yahoo.com | | City & Country: Lahore, Pk | |
 Friday, July 3, 2009 04:42 PM PST Reply: 
Can some one guide me which block in Phase 7 DHA Lahore is more beneficial from investment point of view ?
I appriciate your help.
GHAZANFAR ALTAF replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 06:42 PM PST
hello arsalan asalamalakum DHA 7 lahore is more beneficial investment u give me ur e mail id and i give u bettter advice and i tell all dealear of dha i am back |
Arsalan replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 09:57 PM PST
My Email is there written under my name. You please do that |
Jameel replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:11 AM PST
P Block was best but it has Litigation Problem next is S Block and 3rd Best is Q Block Near commercial But some Plots near Village and Towards the Barki Road are in litigation.
Take care to Know Litigation status before Buying, Though it looks DHA will be able to Take over Most of Land,
Q Block Commercial is almost developed and will be hot center for Trading in Future.
The Blocks after the Main Bluvard Like 1/3 of Q T U X are Not yet developed. Main Bluvard is levelled but still Crapetting is Not done. There are many Cheap Plots in litigation area but Good Location clear plots are very less for sale. And that too at high prices. Due To some reason W and V Blocks which were rated very high in begining due to Vacinity of Golf Course are also available . |
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| Dani |
| | Phone:+13475356050 | City & Country: New York USA | |
 Friday, July 3, 2009 05:43 AM PST Reply: 
Salaam:
I am based in New York. I am involved in textile/ garments business here. If any body need an agent to work for them related to Textile, garments or any other export from Pakistan then contact me. My new york number is +13475356050
Hamid, Toronto replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 08:39 AM PST
Dani Sahib,
There is a big PAK Canadian exhibit going on right here in Toronto on 9th, 10th and 11th July. As for I know there are at least 70 big companies are going to participate. You may need to explore this avenue. |
waris ALi Nadeem replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 11:14 AM PST
Dear Mr. Dani,
Pls send me ur email for further correspondence.
Rgds
waris ALi nadeem
warisali76@yahoo.com
texwaris@hotmaiil.com |
salman replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 03:09 PM PST
dani Sajib,
Aap ko garments bhijwaney waley ko app sey payment kis tarah Miley gi...USA ka importer realestate ki web per exporter dhoond reha hai...amazing ....I am not sure its a fair deal |
ASK replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 06:10 PM PST
Salman Sb.,
One should not interfere in something if he doesnt know about it. For import/export etc. LC is opened with a bank so the bank guarantees that the Seller will be paid on delivery of goods. |
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| CMY |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 02:59 AM PST Reply: 
Dear friends you will find many broken links. I am fixing all these links but it may take a while to complete the links. Sorry for inconvenience.
CMY
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| Nazir Ali |
| | Phone:00966-502519840 | City & Country: Jeddah,SA | |
 Friday, July 3, 2009 02:26 AM PST Reply: 
Eden Vista at Eden City Dear CMY Sahib,
Would you please inform about newly announced plots with the name of Eden Vista at Eden City by Eden Developers.
The development work of Eden City is already delayed more than 7 years and now another plots have been announced by these developers in the same scheme.
Is it a poly to trap more innocent people?
nasir replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 12:21 PM PST
Do not buy any plot or huouse from this eden mafia. they are not doing any construction and they putting all efforts to annouce the projects. some times eden garden,eden gate, |
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 Friday, July 3, 2009 12:09 AM PST Reply: 
Dear CMY sahib, Can you help me in selling my one kanal plot in Nespak Ph II side I on Multan road.
Thank you, Quiser
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| badar |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 11:19 PM PST Reply: 
NOC - Continue from Post#1021 
Can some one shed light on it?
Ejaz replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:59 AM PST
Dear Badar,
If u r in KSA and planning to resign ur present Co and come back with new Co, I will advise u to take extreme care in that:
1-Make sure that ur New Company is issuing u a Visa for Karachi Counsulate. As far as I know, the ban(without NOC even u comme with proper Exit) was for one year. So please confirm through any agent or directly calling the Counsulate of Karachi.
Dont be misguided that agents by taking money can do some thing out of the way. Dont pay anything to any body.
2-The Islamabad Embassy, till April(as I know) was asking for an NOC or three years ban(even with proper Exit). So I m not in a position to confirm u that whether the ban has been removed or not yet. So if ur new visa is from IBD, again confirm the rule directly from Embassy. Most of the time, some Pakistani Layman employed in Embassy will answer u..
3-The third option ppl were using to change the Passport. I mean if u have same ordinary type passport(not computerized) , then u have to get a new Computerized(which is must for Saudi Visa Stamping) Passport without having old passport reference on that. Another thing is NICOP(ID Card for Oversease Pakistanis). So if u have already that then the new Computerized passport without Old passport reference may also not work.
So just to avoid any hessle, confirm from the Embassy and then take decision.
May Allah bless u... |
stn replied on Saturday, July 4, 2009 05:06 PM PST
Dear Baber ur 3rd point is not valid now because saudi govt. now started 2 take finger prints and cornea scan 4 everybody who is leaving the country. |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:15 PM PST Reply: 
10 Principles for a peaceful life for all Pakistani's 1. Do Not Interfere In Others' Business Unless Asked.
Most of us create our own problems by interfering too often in others' affairs. We do so because somehow we have convinced ourselves that our way is the best way, our logic is the perfect logic and those who do not conform to our thinking must be criticized and steered to the right direction, i.e. our direction. This thinking denies the existence of individuality and consequently undermines the Intelligence and Creativity that is only attributed to God. God has created each one of us in a unique way. No two human beings can think or act in exactly the same way. All men or women act the way they do because Allah has made each one of us different, with different personalities. Be patient with one another, and mind your own business and you will keep your peace.
2. Forgive And Forget:
This is the most powerful aid to peace of mind, but also challenging to acheive. We often develop ill feelings inside our heart for the person who insult us or harm us. We nurture grievances resulting in loss of sleep, development of stomach ulcers, and high blood pressure. We further aggravate stress in ourselves by remembering, and reminding ourselves of the very persons that caused us harm. Get over this bad habit. Life is too short to waste in such trifles. Forgive, forget, and march on. Love flourishes in giving and forgiving.
3. Do Not Crave For Recognition:
This world is full of selfish people. They seldom praise anybody without selfish motives. They may praise you today because you are in power, but no sooner than you are powerless; they will forget your achievement and will start finding faults in you. Why do you wish to kill yourself in striving for their recognition? Do your duties ethically and sincerely, and only seek the pleasure of Allah through salah and ibaadah.
4. Do Not Be Jealous:
We all have experienced how jealousy can disturb our peace of mind. You know that you work harder than your colleagues in the office, but sometimes they get promotions; you do not. You started a business several years ago, but you are not as successful as your neighbour whose business is only a one year old. There are several examples like these in everyday life. Should you be jealous? No. Remember, a person's life is shaped by their destiny, which becomes their reality. If you are destined to be rich, nothing in the world can stop you. And if you are destined to be poor, then no matter what you do, you will only be what you are destined to be. Nothing will be gained by blaming others for your misfortune. Jealousy will not get you anywhere; it will only take away your peace of mind.
5. Change Yourself:
If you try to change the environment single-handedly, the chances are you will fail. Instead, change yourself to suit your environment. As you do this, even the environment, which has been unfriendly to you, will mysteriously change and seem congenial and harmonious.
6. Endure What Cannot Be Cured:
Every day we face numerous inconveniences, ailments, irritations, and accidents that are beyond our control. If we cannot control them or change them, we must learn to put up with these things. We must learn to endure them cheerfully. Believe in yourself and you will gain in terms of patience, inner strength and will power.
7. Do Not Bite Off More Than You Can Chew:
We often tend to take more responsibilities than we are capable of. This is done to satisfy our ego. Know your limitations. Why take on additional loads that may create more worries? You cannot gain peace of mind by expanding your external activities. Reduce your material engagements and spend time in prayer, and introspection. It will prevent you from thinking of matters that upset you. An uncluttered mind is a peaceful mind..
8. Make Regular Dhikr:
Dhikr, the rememberance of Allah, calms the mind and gets rid of disturbing thoughts. Try it yourself. If you do tasbih, dhikr, whenever you are free, your mind will be at peace during the day. Your mind will not be easily disturbed as it was before.You may think that this will interfere with your daily work. On the contrary, this will increase your efficiency and you will be able to produce better results in less time.
9. Never Leave The Mind Vacant:
An empty mind is the devil's workshop. Keep your mind occupied in something positive, something worthwhile and negative thoughts will not plague your mind. Actively follow a hobby, something that holds your interest. You must decide what you value more: money or peace of mind. Your hobby, like social work or religious work, may not always earn you more money, but you will have a sense of fulfillment and achievement. Even when you are resting physically, occupy yourself in healthy reading or mental chanting of God's name.
10. Do Not Procrastinate And Never Regret:
Do not waste time in protracted wondering, " Should I or shouldn't I?" You can never plan enough because you can never fully anticipate all future happenings. Value your time and do the things that need to be done now. It does not matter if you fail the first time, so long as you don't leave it for tomorrow. You can learn from your mistakes and succeed the next time. Sitting back and worrying will lead to nothing. DO NOT REGRET. Whatever happened was destined to happen. Why cry over spilt milk?
Think Positive
Fawad replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST
Choudhry sb, well done, its simply outstanding, i am impressed and i couldt but agree with ur comments. u have a lovely and highly logical way of explaining the simple but complicated issues. i only wish we all can follow the ten prionciples u have explained so beautifully. I adore u sir |
Bill Gates speach replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 02:09 PM PST
A lesson in wisdom!
Bill Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.
Rule 1:Life is not fair - get used to it!
Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.
Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.
Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.
Rule 6: If you mess up, it’s not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.
Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time..
Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one. |
Khan replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 11:22 PM PST
not bad - very true for western world,but few things does not match in our part of the world-like our politicians geting the chance agagin and again???? |
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| Omer Irshad |
| omerirshad@yahoo.com | | City & Country: Islamabad | |
 Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:04 PM PST Reply: 
I have entered into contract with Eden Group for a 5-Marla town house in their project, namely "Eden Homes At Lake City". When there is almost 85% of Payment against these town houses has been made to them by the purchasers in this aforesaid project, the management increased the price of town houses by almost 25% on account of inflation.
I have protested with the management regarding this unjustified demand, but they are not giving any thoughts. I have requested them repeatedly to justify their demand by giving me the details, but they only demand the amount. I told them I will pay the increased amount, but they have to justify the increase. The non-food inflation has not gone so high. Further, their clause states that they will only claim if inflation raises more than 10% p.a.. The project is for 2-1/2 years, hence, if there is rise more than 25%, they can demand. Every project management incorporates the costs and keeps room for increase in the materials, labor and other factors in their price of the project. The project was launched in late 2006. The prices started increasing only after April’ 2008. The structures were ready in March’2008. Later due to some internal matters, the work remain stopped/slow down for few months and in November’2008, the management increased the price.
It is very strange, there were projects which were launched 2-6 months before this project, and some projects were launched after 2-3 months of this project, none of them has demanded or increased their price, but the management of "Eden Homes at Lake City" is demanding extra amount on account of 'Inflation'.
Actually, it is the delay in the delivery of their project and their greed; both have lured them to rob their customers.
I have already made the 100% payment on time and as per the amount mentioned in the contract and they are not handing over the possession. Now I have taken the stand and decided to not make any escalated amount. Further, I have decided to initiate legal proceedings against them.
I am looking from other customers of this project for "moral support only" and to make a forum who can stand against these types of builders, who increase the price without giving any justification.
The customers of "Eden Homes At Lake City" are requested to contact me through email, preferably. They can send me their email address or mobile nos., so I can apprise them about the latest on this subject. Kind regards,
Omer Irshad
email: omerirshad@yahoo.com
LAKE CITY AFFECTEE replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 05:33 AM PST
I am one of affectee and discussed in detail with there Customer manager Mr. Vakas and no convincing answer. I am working in HVAC field in Saudi and know all intenational prices metal-bricks-oil-glass-copper-aluminum-copper came down by 20-30% in the year 2008 June -Jan 2009 and this is the time they increase!!!no justifications. Also I made intime payments and still their scheme overcharged and I agreed to pay more for this scheme coz of their reputation...Lets gather as much affecctess and make joint application to them...my all support with you..my e-mail is khumarr20042000@yahoo.com I am ready to offer as much support to u as possible. I can afford to pay extra provided they have logical reasons. Good luck to u all. |
mirza replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 06:00 AM PST
Dear Brothers, they had old mr 10 % in mind when they started the project but now New Gov changed the old rule to new Mr 25% .. its not their fault ..
I think Since Eden Management is divided Eden Developers are traping innocent people .. 1st they had not enough land in eden city so they changed map towice .. now it seem they have enough land to start new project .. i think they should finish 1st Eden city by giving possession which is already 5 year late .. same is happening in Eden homes at lake city ... |
an effecty replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 12:30 PM PST
Dear Friends. Just simply say no to this type of builders in the future.Eden housing and builders are same so they are just behind. and i like some body must take 50 % in future because the are sucking the blood of peoples |
Irf Doha replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 05:42 PM PST
I was tempetd to buy in EDEN but heard negative comments, glad i did not invested |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST Reply: 
Agreement between DHAI, Barhia Town and Habib Rafique 
Paid Advertisment in Daily Jang Today
DHA Islamabad sing agreement between 3 parties including DHAI, Bahria Town and Habib Rafique for the development of DHAI PH II Extension and DHAI Expressway.
The design is prepared by famous Architechtural and Town Planning firm OJMR-Architects from Los Angeles (California)
Khan. replied on Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:45 PM PST
DHA Islamabad has gone mad. Re-balloting :), what would happen to people who already own plot in DHA-II Ext commoners town block? Who already paid development charges "TWICE"? DHA-Isl has become a blood sucking machine and thinks that money grow on trees and they do whatever whenever and however they like to please Brigs and Generals only. |
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| Adnan |
| adnanpash@yahoo.com | | City & Country: Lahore | |
 Thursday, July 2, 2009 09:44 PM PST Reply: 
10 M Plot for Sale, LakeCity Lahore, Bella Vista, Installments | Ad Type | City | Scheme | Phase | Block | Plot | Size | Demand(Rs) | | For Sale | Lahore | LakeCity | I-Ext | BellaVista | 649 | 10M | offer |
Dear All;
The following plot is for sale in LakeCity Bella Vista Phase-I Extension
Plot # 649
It was bought on installments, here are the details:
Total Price: 21 Lac 90 Thousands
Deposit Paid: 1 Lac, paid in Dec 2008
1st Installement: 1.9 Lacs, paid in Jan 2009
2nd Installement: 1.9 Lacs, paid in Apr 2009
Total Paid: 4 Lacs 80 Thousands
The remaining installments are to be paid quaterly (1 Lac 90 Thousands Every Three Months).
Development charges are included in installments.
Possesion will be granted in March 2011.
Please place an offer if interested.
Regards
Adnan
salman replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 03:48 PM PST
sorry you may lose your money ..plz retain it may be in future you get out of loss |
A. Khan replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 07:24 PM PST
Adnan Bhai, Unfortunately loss on your 10 marla plot is greater than your paid amount of 4.8 Lakhs. 10 marla plots in Lakecity sells for loss of around 8 lakhs, but the funny thing is that you can buy 10 marla plot in open market at 14 lakh but the same plot Lakecity sells for 22 Lakh.
I would recommend as Salman sb said, keep your plot. You may recover your losses in the future. |
Aslam Ali replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 09:50 PM PST
@A.Khan
what is the source of the information you have given? If you know someone who is selling 10 M plot for 14 lakh then please let me know, I am interested. Does it include the developement charges as well? |
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| badar |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 09:28 PM PST Reply: 
Continue from post #1021 
Need more discussion on this topic!
Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:14 PM PST Reply:
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Here is NOC letter
No more NOC for KSA?
Dear KSA residents,
Please read attached letter issed by MOFA -KSA and share your views. I heard that NOC is no more required to re-enter Saudi Arabia if you went back Pakistan on final exit
P.S: Admin plz keep this post here for some time.
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Ejaz replied on Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:11 AM PST
Dear Badar,
It is so pleasing............I hope it is true. Actually, MOFA has issued this letter since long time but the Saudi Embassy at Islamabad(and most probably our own Pakistani Brothers there in Embassy) were not accpting this logic and they were of the view that Either you need an NOC or wait for at least three Years for new visa even you have come on Proper Exit.
For Saudi Counsulate in Karachi, the same duration was one year. If anybody from ISLAMABAD can check with Saudi Embassy, and update here at the Forum, it will be a great help to our Pakistani Brothers.
Thank you Badar Sb for this information.
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Ejaz replied on Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:23 AM PST
The Phone number of Saudi Counsulate in Karachi is : +92 21 5841154
The Phone number of saudi Embassy in Islamabad is: +92 51 2600900
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Old Reader replied on Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:11 AM PST
Its really great to hear such news. Can some brother from Karachi and Islamabad can confirm this by calling saudi consulate.
I'll be very thankful to him.
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KM replied on Sunday, May 31, 2009 01:47 PM PST
I have seen this memo one month ago, I tried to contact saudi counsulate but no one picks up the phone. I called sky link Rawalpindi, according to them noc not required every where else but in Pakistan it is requird '' special treatment for pakistanis''. From India people do not require noc many months back.
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S. Hameed replied on Sunday, May 31, 2009 05:45 PM PST
Dear Brothers,
I am working in Saudi Arabia for last 9 years. It will be a miracle if you can get a clear answer in Black & White from Saudi Embassy. Their Government Offices are no more different than our Govt. Depts. in Pakistan.
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badar replied on Monday, June 1, 2009 12:51 AM PST
I come to know from our recruitmnet agent in lahore that Saudi counsulate in karachi is not asking for NOC in this case but Islambad saudi counsulate is still asking NOC. I agree with Mr Ejaz that our PAK friends are experts in creating problems for our own country men.
It is also true that people are comming freely from INDIA without NOC since long back. Better to attach copy of this letter at the time of VISA process.
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Milo replied on Monday, June 1, 2009 12:47 PM PST
What I know is that this restriction had been removed in the new Saudi Labor Law (April 2006) but unfortunately Saudi Embassy Pakistan is not accepting it and they are still asking NOC.
It was the same case with Indians but since last year they are coming back to Saudia without any delay on the same passport (in some cases they are also facing issues).
It is also very starnge thing that visas (application) rejected by Saudi Embassy Islamabad were accepted and stamped in Karachi.
Even I have heard that there are some agents in Karachi who have the links for visa stamping on the same passport without NOC and without any delay (definitely with GOOOD charges).
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| Kashif |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 09:12 PM PST Reply: 
Housing Societies Near NIIAP
Dear Viewers!
Anybody has news regarding any development work on Shahrah-e-kashmir?
Is anythints going on in Top City-1 or Mumtaz City?
Your comments will be highly appreciated.
Regards
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| Kashif |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 08:30 PM PST Reply: 
New Islamabad International Airport 
Here is pic for NIIAP
nabeel replied on Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:27 PM PST
glas to see some pics. there is a national highway working on zero point on main motorway. they daily visit and they have made a final map near top city. but so far nothing happend on ground. Most importantly 2012 is a boom time for real estate in that area and in around all zone 2. but right now price increasing in b-17 and e-16/17 as they are ready for possession. |
Kashif replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 07:22 PM PST
Dear Nabeel!
Highly appreciate your comments. Can you plz tell some more information regarding that zero point? Means its location, map, procedure and do you know anything about the start of any road connect new airport site to shahrah-ekashmir because it will be the link between these two.
Thanks |
Amjad replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 08:03 PM PST
Cabinet Division housing society has decided to give possession on 200 plots in Dec, 2009 and already signed on MOU with WAPDA to supply electricity for the construction of houses. |
nabeel replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 09:55 PM PST
amjad and i always agree on one thing and that is cabinet division housing as we are both nieghbours in 2 kanal plots :)
also its not 200 only plots. first phase is for street 1 to 6 in e-16/3 and then possession for the whole sector. road carpeting is underway these days.
kashif
please visit national highway athority office, they have placed new map for the new road network they'll make for new airport. |
Nauman replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 11:30 PM PST
All the people discussing above thread seem knowledgable about area around new airport....can someone give a general price range for PAF TARNOL,,, thanks |
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| Kashif |
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 08:29 PM PST Reply: 
New Islamabad International Airport 
Here is pic for NIIAP
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| KASHIF |
| | City & Country: SWL,PK | |
 Thursday, July 2, 2009 08:26 PM PST Reply: 
NEW ISLAMABAD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 
Dear Viewers!
Here are some pictures for NIIAP.
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 Thursday, July 2, 2009 02:30 PM PST Reply: 
Important Management lesson (Former President of India APJ Abdul Kalam at Wharton India Economic forum , Philadelphia , March 22,2008)
Question: Could you give an example, from your own experience, of how leaders should manage failure?
Kalam: Let me tell you about my experience. In 1973 I became the project director of India 's satellite launch vehicle program, commonly called the SLV-3. Our goal was to put India 's 'Rohini' satellite into orbit by 1980. I was given funds and human resources -- but was told clearly that by 1980 we had to launch the satellite into space. Thousands of people worked together in scientific and technical teams towards that goal.
By 1979 -- I think the month was August -- we thought we were ready. As the project director, I went to the control center for the launch. At four minutes before the satellite launch, the computer began to go through the checklist of items that needed to be checked. One minute later, the computer program put the launch on hold; the display showed that some control components were not in order. My experts -- I had four or five of them with me -- told me not to worry; they had done their calculations and there was enough reserve fuel. So I bypassed the computer, switched to manual mode, and launched the rocket. In the first stage, everything worked fine. In the second stage, a problem developed. Instead of the satellite going into orbit, the whole rocket system plunged into the Bay of Bengal . It was a big failure.
That day, the chairman of the Indian Space Research Organization, Prof. Satish D hawan, had called a press conference. The launch was at 7:00 am, and the press conference -- where journalists from around the world were present -- was at 7:45 am at ISRO's satellite launch range in Sriharikota [in Andhra Pradesh in southern India ]. Prof. Dhawan, the leader of the organization, conducted the press conference himself. He took responsibility for the failure -- he said that the team had worked very hard, but that it needed more technological support. He assured the media that in another year, the team would definitely succeed. Now, I was the project director, and it was my failure, but instead, he took responsibility for the failure as chairman of the organization.
The next year, in July 1980, we tried again to launch the satellite -- and this time we succeeded. The whole nation was jubilant. Again, there was a press conference. Prof. Dhawan called me aside and told me, 'You conduct the press conference today.'
I learned a very important lesson that day. When failure occurred, the leader of the organization owned that failure. When success came, he gave it to his team. The best management lesson I have learned did not come to me from reading a book; it came from that experience.
Pakistan managment replied on Thursday, July 2, 2009 03:55 PM PST
Despite the fact that Pakistan was the second nation in Asia after Japan to build its own satellite and send it to space (GEO), despite the fact that Karachi was the first city which had the tallest building in the surrounding region but today we are behind India and Dubai in both areas, just for the reason that we did not applied same management as described above (truth or fiction).
Latest example is JF-17 thunder fighter air craft, again Pakistan had the lead and was set to start its production at least 6 months ago but our present govt. blocked the funds and commissioning of production machines was halted, hence delaying the big success.
At this time Pakistan Air Force came forward and went to China and negotiated soft loan with China govt. and since last two days program got back to its feet. Since our govt. failed to kneel down the program, now they can be seen on news meeting with Airforce chief giving the impression that they are leading this program. And not praising those who actually developed it from 2002 – 2006 on fast track, without taking foreign loans.
Same thing is happening with all the defence production of Pakistan, there is no more news about development of missiles etc. despite the fact that India has increased frequency of missile development / testing in last one year.
We know, it is all because of funds freeze and key changes in the respective managements.
With news, I followed that the priorities of present govt. were:
1- Reduce the defence budget.
2- Freeze all development projects, be it infrastructure or defence production and development and production; which actually earns us hundreds of millions in forex and save hundreds of millions which we might have spent otherwise in procurement.
3- There have been attempts to dismantle national security council.
4- Load shedding; what we are facing today started from Swat region!!!
5- Terrorists in Swat were cornered but present govt. ordered pull out of military and than made major changes in police and civil management of Sawat. Now we have learned that local police release suicide bombers by taking petty bribes and the appointed commissioner of Sawat Mr. Javed was associate of TTP, which is also responsible for the killing of BB.
6- Import second hand buses from India because it was costing India money to get rid of its scrap! Halt growth of internet bandwidth.
7- Declare ban on construction of water dams and politicize all state institutions. While India has scaled up dams production and privatization following foot steps of previous Pakistan govt.
8- I heard now govt. is again promising to nation that load shedding will end in December! I believe them but how are they building any dam which will complete by December or they will cut the electricity of Lahore/Swat/Quetta and give it all to Karachi.
9- Two years ago Pakistan was out of IMF’s vicious circle of taking loan for servicing existing debts and was actually paying back its basic debts and we became a nation which started giving loans but today we are begging to IMF again, despite record increase in taxes. Our GDP growth was second in the world. Once Pakistan use to be investment heaven.
10- I stand shameful to see family pictures replacing, Quaid’s picture in streets and govt. offices. This is not freedom/democracy or any example of good management. We are moving towards slavery. |
Muslim replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 08:05 PM PST
Dear "Management Lesson"
The lesson from Indians that you are trying to teach Pakistani's today, was told to all Muslims more than 1400 years ago. Hadith Sharif:
""When praying to Allah, say "all my successes and good things are because of Allah's kindness and all what I do wrong is because of my own weaknesses""
I humbly request you to read and promote reading of your own teachings instead of tryin to follow your enemies.
May Allah Bless us |
Atif Latif replied on Friday, July 3, 2009 11:44 PM PST
Dear "Muslim" Brother:
I believe there is a Hadith that says (and I do not know the exact words and the reference, may be some other brother can help)that seek and take the good things from where ever you can get.
I honestly believe that the above-mentioned incident has a really good lesson that we should all use in our lives. |
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