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(61769)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:40 PM PST 
NFC 2

Dear Sir,

I want to ask you about NFC 2. I purchased a commercial plot in NFC 2 6 months back. Now i heard that LRR will be built on the same area and it will hurt commercial plots. Can you please suggest us that should we keep the plots with us or sale it out? what kind of affect LRR will create on NFC2 commercial?
Best Regards,

Wasim Akhtar replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 09:29 PM PST 

Farrukh Ijaz Bhai

I also have a commercial plot in the same area.
From where you got this information ? Did you visit area by yourself and found some signs of LRR there ?
Because the Real Estate Experts on this Forum are saying LRR would not disturb NFC-2 Commercial area. It might touch A-Block plots.

Regards,

NFC2 replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 11:16 PM PST 

Dealer are spreading these rumors so that they can convince you to sell your plots. Even some are saying that LRR can also effect Block B and E, just to create panic so that people sell their residential and commercial plots.
On the other hand if you visit Commercial area, same dealers are building plazas there on their own plots:))

Wasim Akhtar replied on Wednesday, May 6, 2015 12:24 AM PST 

Agreed with "NFC2". If you tell those dealers you want to buy then their story will be different.
One big dealer who has his office on NFC-2 main gate ( encroachment area on Multan Road ), he himself is building plaza in NFC-2 commercial area.

Thanks,

Jameel replied on Wednesday, May 6, 2015 01:48 AM PST 

NO this Is false news but this is Correct that there will be some revision of map again to accommodate LRR, But only Sundar side Boundary or Bahria side Boundary will be affected.
Interchange Loops may marginally affect few commercial plots. They will be adequately compensated, It depends what type of Loops are, made in order to decrease the cost GOP is going for Simple Interchanges, Not Like Abdulla Gul which is I KM in Diameter. Have a look of various previous designs of Interchanges in Google earth, and see How they can affect Commercial plots

Farrukh Ijaz replied on Wednesday, May 6, 2015 07:05 PM PST 

No i did not see it my self. But i heard from different dealers and yes may be they want to create some panic because if LRR withh not disturb it so these plots value can be doubled.
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(61768)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:24 PM PST 
Affidavit File of Phase 9

Dear CMY,
I bought a Phase 9 Affidavit File on 17th April, 2015 and got the intimation letter of same date. According to letter I will get allocation letter after 30 days (around 17th May, 2015) while balloting is on 15th.
Just need to know if this will be included in ballot or not. Need advice.
Regards,
Dr.Waseem

Ahmad replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:44 PM PST 

Dr Waseem..you dont need to worry..your file will be included in ballot.As your file/allocation no has been generated before 15 May 2015.Irrespective when you receive the original letter from DHA

Dr.Waseem replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:49 PM PST 

Thank You Ahmed Sahib, May Allah Bless You.
Very Informative and Decent Forum.
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(61766)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:32 PM PST 

Dear CMY,AA, Pray for your good health, Any idea about dha 7 balloting for the remaining files?
I heard, it may happen with dha 9. What are the chances and when it is likely to happen and the development charges?

Regards
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(61765)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:56 PM PST 
Sell phase-9 [10 marla] files or hold for a year?

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
For Sale
Lahore
dha
9
Hi,

I have 2 phase 9 files of 10 marla. I bought them 1 month back at price of 39 and paid 1lac charges. So they costed me 40 lac each.

I have ability to hold these for up to 2 years. But I want to know if that will be best choice to get good returns. Should I hold them and for how much time?

Or should I sell them now or after ballot and move my money somewhere else.

This is my first ever investment in real estate and LRE has been best source of information. Please advice what you would have done if you were in my scenario.

JazakaAllah.

Mohsin replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:58 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

I have the same question and your kind reply is really required.
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(61764)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:26 PM PST 

All friends are informed one guy is again playing games here today by posting fake questions like dealer said you will get 43 lacs out of 63 lacs after ballot etc.

He is also posting galyan and fatwey at same time here and praising himelf with more names. I have no choice but to delete all his posts with many names

or

you still want to see read all his posts and let him play with your kids and Pakistan future. He has nothing to lose because he dont have any thing but free time to disturb you me all of us.

It dont make any difference to me if DHA9 is up or down and dont care. For me money dont matter anymore. Seen done it all. No hunger left.

If I try to block his or other waley people posts Jameel Habib and Shahzad Qamar and other old friends posts get blocked too and they get frustrated. I dont have any energy left due to overworking my self to help people here and dont have free time to sort out and re post all blocked posts. Sorry I just cant do it.

You pick and tell me block all new posts to stop galyan postings and just post only rates updates

Dont block any thing leave it 100% open

Any 5 year old kid these days can go to an open forum like ours and post what ever they want. This guy by disturbing us all with all his non sense posts thinks he is some IT expert :) No way to stop people like these unless they themself start on their own. Allah ka khauf hi in ko seedi rah par la sakta hey.

MNI replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:48 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

Plz don’t stress too much over such idiots, people are not stupid and are well aware of such attention seeking individuals. Let this person post freely he/she/50-50 whatever the case will eventually tire out when no one pays any heed to nonsense !!

On a separate note, appreciate the input you put into this forum. Keep up the great work!!

Regards,

MNI

Zafar Iqbal replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:50 PM PST 

Its better if you delete posts from such people

Mohsin replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:57 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

Just Relax...

You earned a respect among many of us and we really appreciate your efforts. You must be facing such people in real life almost on daily basis and I am sure you know how to treat with them.

Regards,
Mohsin

Ahsan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:57 PM PST 

Dear Respected CMY Sahib

You are doing a great job for all people by guiding them. This forum is active and we all are sharing our views and opinions and seeking advice from experts. I have no words to appreciate your and other forum members such as jameel sahib, Qamar and others inputs and analysis.

Malik replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:05 PM PST 

CMY Sahib, you are great man, dont worry about it, this forum is sensible enough because of your efforst to see DHANDLI whereever it is. we wish him good luck also.

CMY replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:06 PM PST 

By the time I see his posts to delete too many innocent friends have fallen in his trap and posted answers. than I feel so bad to delete their posts too. I dont want them to think my niyaat is bad and I am wrongly deleting my old friends posts. Once a post is blocked or deleted even sense able people here like Shazad Qamar get unhappy. See his post today. Shazad Qamar dont know yesterday I had blocked 22000 attempt to post on this page in massive DNS attack and spam attack and had to disable highly needed in critical time like this very important search function of this webpage. If i dont do blocks we cant stay online. If I block people get unhappy like this friend is. To me he is still a friend. He came here to this website to learn like me and make money too perhaps. what else could attract some to very boring subject of real estate. He is looking to buy property but at lower price.

This person was arguing with logic DHA9 will go down and he may buy lower. I was enjoying his posts too. Against his expectations DHA9 started to rise sharply and he started to use multi names to save hi ego or buy it lower. When I saw use of multi names tried to request few time here not to do this un fair play. When he didnt stop had no choice but to block or delete his posts. When I block his post other people important help requests get blocked too. And seeing that hurts me. I admit may be a bad evil or greedy person for this guy but what is the fault of all other 1000s who visited this webpage and were even reading his dozens of post in past few weeks.

Friend just wasted more than 1 hour of important time in this useless post. should have used it to reply to more ballot check inputs Its 4.17 am in Chicago and I am going to sleep now and leaving site almost un blocked entirely so he too can have his say. Dont want to be unfair to him.


Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.Com

bilal replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:16 PM PST 

CMY sir,

just relax and have some sweet dreams.and get up later with new energy.
Stay Bless

Naveed KSA replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:20 PM PST 

CMY Sb,
I think this can be control or reduced by putting some check while posting any text on this portal, like email address must while posting any ad and confirmation code should be send to email to activate the post.
same thing happened here on expat.com
just an idea as I am not an IT expert so don't know the other effects...

Zafar Iqbal replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:21 PM PST 

Dear CMY Relax we all know about your niyat and most importantly Allah Knows every one niyat.

just remember if you are a good guy then you must face difficulties so DIL BURA MAT KARO AUR G BHAR JIYO


I would like to say you something (summary of my life learning habit) may be you got the point.

LOVE WITH OTHER AND DO GOOD FOR OTHERS....BUT....DON'T HOPE THAT OTHERS WILL LOVE YOU AND WILL DO GOOD FOR YOU.


so if you are doing good for others then just keep doing it and dont think about bad people.

Amir Khan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:45 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

The world is full of people, both good and bad. You have to expect and accept that like any field of life, here too there would be a proportionate representation of such elements. But there should be checks and balances to ensure decency, respect and discipline is maintained while accessing this website. Adding suitable filteration and cleansing process could provide solution to this issue.
In the end, you are doing a commendable job, backed up by a good
team of professionals. This may be the only forum, where everyone can ask a question ( even not property related) and expect a genuine answer from righteous persons. So keep up the good work and turn adversity to opportunity. Together we all can make a difference. Unity in Diversity. Cheers.

Faisal UK replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:46 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

You are doing a great job by running this informative platform.Ignore these illiterate people.
delete all his posts and run the web site with rules.

We all are with you.

Regards,

SalmanKhan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:16 PM PST 

why not have 4-5 admins of this group who check it regularly for any such issue

investor replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:20 PM PST 

Dear CMY,

I think you are talking about me (investor name). First all let me very much clear that I never posted with different names. I am sure you got confused. I have no link with other names like galyan and fatwey and they are someone else.

Secondly, I swear by GOD that dealer called me and ask me to sell file as soon as possible and same words as I mentioned in my question. Yes you can say my question was like a 5 year old kids. But everyone is not by birth 50 years old. everyone get experience from the bad and good incidents. It is unfortunate that instead of criticizing that dealer who was trying to mislead me and my other fellows of as you said 5 years old kids, you are criticizing me. I don't know what was wrong in my simple question that hurt you. But, I think you should respect the new comers in property as well instead of insult them without any solid reason. I am not a fake person, I am not an IT expert, I never posted on your website except one question today. So, may be you feel yourself as guru of this market and you are the great fairest person in the world of property but remember the property dealer who called me is also your community.

It was necessary to clear my position, again sorry if anyone hurt

Khizer Inayat replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:32 PM PST 

Dear CMY, I would recommend to use https://disqus.com/websites/ for your site or try starting a new site using this service. It will be very interactive and management will be much easier.

Shahzad Qamar replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 10:49 PM PST 

CMY, you are really an outstanding guy and your untiring efforts are truely appreciating. after watching posts during last week I understand now why you decided to opt for blocking. Thats why I earlier requested to allow registration of users through their emails this way its very easy to block users. but you already informed it did not work in past....hoping for best and thanks for keeping this website alive for 100s of users who need information on real estate.

CMY replied on Wednesday, May 6, 2015 11:42 AM PST 

investor sahib thanks for talking with sense. I got your point. Lets take a new start. I may have made some mistake too unknowingly so my apology if I hurt your feelings.



Choudry Mujahid Yasin
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(61763)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:15 PM PST 
Construction Information && Rates

Ad Type
City
For Sale
Lahore
I have plot of 4 marla and i want to do the construction on it.I want to know the total construction cost on 4 marla house.Also please explain can i do thakka for construction or i can do construction according to per square feet.
Please let me know how much difference in cost if
1.i do thakka with some thakkay-dar and material will be provided by me.

2.Do construction according to per square feet.

3.Also please give me estimation of Grey Structure,average construction,Luxary construction

Which will be the better option.
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(61762)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:10 PM PST 
Zakat on Land bought to Hold

@@@ Zakat on Land bought to Hold @@@


105334: If the land does not sell, is zakaah due on it?

I have bought some land, intending to sell it when its value increases. But its value decreased and it did not sell, it remained in my possession for 10 years and its value did not increase, should I pay Zakah on it?.
Praise be to Allaah.

Land that is bought with the intention of selling it after a while when prices have increased is subject to zakaah, because it comes under the heading of trade goods.

The value of trade goods should be worked out at the end of the year based on the current market price, regardless of the price for which they were bought, and zakaah must be paid. The rate of zakaah is one quarter of one tenth.

See the answer to question no. 38886.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: I have a piece of land and I am waiting for the prices of land to go up so that I can sell it, and it has been several years. Should I pay zakaah on it?

He replied: If a person buys land to make a profit then the land does not sell and becomes cheaper, and he keeps it until the price goes up, then he must pay zakaah on it every year, because it comes under the heading of trade goods. If he does not have anything with which to pay the zakaah, and he cannot find a buyer, then he should work out its price at the time when zakaah becomes obligatory and work out its zakaah, and in the following year he should work out the zakaah on its value, then in the third year and so on. Then whenever he sells it he should pay the total amount of zakaah that he had calculated. End quote.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (18/225).

He was also asked about a person who bought some land with the aim of trading in it, but it remained in his possession for a number of years. Does he have to pay zakaah on it?

He replied: If a person buys land for trading, then he has to pay zakaah every year, whether the value increases or decreases, and whether it sells quickly or it does not sell. He should work out its value every year at the current market price, then if he has money he should pay its zakaah from the money that he has, and if he does not have any money he should work out the zakaah for each year, and when he sells it he should pay the zakaah for the past years. End quote from Liqa’ al-Baab al-Shahri (15/12).

And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A

http://islamqa.info/en/105334

SalmanKhan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:22 PM PST 

JazakAllah for this comprehensive post

HHH replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:40 PM PST 

http://www.crescentsofbrisbane.org/
Files/Iqbal%20Lambat%20Ramadan/Week%204/8.%20Property.pdf

Property can be purchased to hold for the long term and realise rental income or it can be bought for speculative purposes to resell as soon as an appropriate gain can be realised.
1. Land
Dr Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, Dean of the University of Qatar, in responding to a question on whether land is subject to zakat, statesi: "The purchased land can be categorised as one of two types. The first type is purchased for resale after a period for profit. This type of purchase is a trade transaction and the land in this case is considered a commercial commodity. The land should be appraised annually to determine its value and then Zakah is paid at a rate of 2.5% of that value. This is the opinion of the majority of scholars. Only the followers of Imam Malik have a different opinion. They hold that the land is not subject to Zakah unless it is actually sold. The Zakah is 2.5% of the amount a person receives when the property is sold. The majority of scholars, however, consider this land as wealth and it is then subject to Zakah. This opinion is the most appropriate.
Land held for resale or being held to be developed is subject to zakat at the market value of the land.
"The second type is a land that is purchased to build on and not for resale. In this case, it is not subject to Zakah unless the owner has actually built on the land and rents out the property. Then, he should pay Zakah on the revenue derived from the rent."

Habib replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 08:54 PM PST 

what about Agri Land it Gives you crop and gain value as well, mY agri Land Gained 4 Times value in 12 years

Ashfaq Khan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 09:28 PM PST 

Zakah on agricultural land.

Mu' meneen Brothers and Sisters,

As Salaam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. (May Allah's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)

One of our brothers/sisters has asked this question:

is there zakat on agricultural land, if yes then how much? also zakat on industrial productions, and on saliried persons?

(There may be some grammatical and spelling errors in the above statement. The forum does not change anything from questions, comments and statements received from our readers for circulation in confidentiality.)

Answer:

Zakah on agricultural land

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Your Question: …is there zakat on agricultural land, if yes then how much?

Agricultural land is absolutely exempt from ‘zakah’ in Islam; thus even if one owns agricultural land worth millions of dollars, one is not liable to pay ‘zakah’ annually on that agricultural land itself.

The ‘zakah’ on agricultural land is determined from its produce:

If the land is irrigated naturally through rain the ‘zakah’ would be 10% of the produce of the land.
If the land is irrigated artificially through tube wells, tributaries, etc…the ‘zakah’ would be 5% of the produce of that land.

Your Question: …..also zakat on industrial productions

‘Zakah’ is not determined on the annual industrial production, but rather on the net value of the industrial business itself.

Your Question: …..and on saliried persons?

‘Zakah’ is not determined on the monthly/annual salary of the person, but rather on his net excess assets which he accumulates after paying all his expenses.

Thus if the annual salary of the person is 10,000 and his total annual expenses are 8,000; thus assuming the person has no other assets or savings upon which ‘zakah’ is due, he will be liable to pay ‘zakah’ on his savings of 2,000 at the rate of 2.50%.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,

Burhan

http://www.islamhelpline.net/node/6949
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(61761)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:09 PM PST 
Zakat on Land bought to Sell after some time

@@@ Zakat on Land bought to Sell after some time @@@


38886: He bought some land in order to sell it after a while – how should he pay zakaah on it?

How should zakaah be paid on land which was bought with the aim of leaving it for a while then selling it?.
Praise be to Allaah.

If a person has bought land with the intention of selling it after a while, one of the following two scenarios must apply:

1 – He aims to save the money so that he will not spend it on anything else, but he does not intend to trade or make a profit. In this case there is no zakaah on the land.

See question no. 34802

2 – He does intend to trade and make a profit, in which case this land comes under the heading of trade goods, so zakaah must be paid on it.

The value of trade goods should be worked out at the end of one year on the basis of their current value, not the price for which they were bought, and the zakaah must be paid on them. The rate of zakaah that must be paid is one-quarter of one-tenth, i.e., 2.5%.

For example: if you bought land for one hundred thousand riyals, and when zakaah becomes due on it its value is now one hundred and fifty thousand riyals, then when one year had passed you must pay the zakaah of one hundred and fifty thousand riyals. The converse also applies. If you bought it for one hundred thousand riyals and when one year has passed its value is now only fifty thousand riyals, then you only have to pay zakaah on fifty thousand riyals.

See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 9/334; Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 18/205, 236

Note:

It should be noted that the year for reckoning zakaah on trade goods does not begin from the time one bought the land or other product, rather it begins from the time when the wealth with which you bought those goods reached the nisaab (minimum threshold).

Based on this, the year for this land is the year for the money with which you bought it.

See question no. 32715.
Islam Q&A

http://islamqa.info/en/38886

SalmanKhan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 06:21 PM PST 

JazakAllah for this comprehensive post
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(61759)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:48 PM PST 

Dear CMY & LRE Staff,

can we send you the file no. & data for 9 town files as well to check the ballot status or you are checking the proper 9 files only?

Thanks in advance for your time.

CMY replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:51 PM PST 

Can send Both DHA9 or DHA town.
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(61758)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:48 PM PST 
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(61757)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:41 PM PST 

Phase 9 - 1 Kanal
Experts,
In your opinion where do you see the estimated price of 1 Kanal in Phase 9 -- 6 months post the ballot on 15th May?

secondly, what's your estimate of the maximum 1 Kanal file will reach leading up to the 15th of May?

Regards,

MNI

Maroof replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:12 PM PST 

Please also comment on expected price of 5,10 marla in Phase 9 AFTER 6-12 months.
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(61756)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:39 PM PST 
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(61755)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 02:52 PM PST 

With 1000s of files info to my surprise I see very huge numbers of 5 marla and 10 marla files holders in DHA Phase 9 Prism.

So getting a bad location plot now in DHA9 is further reduced in this phase due large numbers of smaller plots.


In past DHA gave the worst possible locations to 5 marla file like Y in DHA8 because 5 marla files were so few but It MAY change in DHA9 Prism with many 5 marla full blocks of 5 or 10 marla alone.

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )

Habib replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:06 PM PST 

It means DHA 6, and 7, 8 will remain for Kanal Lovers?

khan replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:09 PM PST 

hmmm.... what are the approx development charges for 5 marla?

Wasim Akhtar replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 03:20 PM PST 

CMY replied on Friday, May 1, 2015 11:21 PM PST


Also

DHA Lahore Phase 9 Proper Expected Development Charges

5 Marla = 7 Lacs
10 Marla = 14 Lacs
1 Kanal = 19 Lcas


99% confirmed news.


Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.Com

syed shoaib replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:20 PM PST 

Snall dealers and investor will rip you down all 5 marla holders , stay firm to gain most . Hold
files dont get panic

Aamir replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 04:20 PM PST 

Dear CMY,
I have not recieved any intimation letter from DHA regarding my plot number and installment detail etc in 8Z ivy green.
Does any one else has recived or not. do i have to
contact DHA or still have to wait??

CMY replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 05:27 PM PST 

Aamir bhai Insha Allah you will get it within 90 days after ballot. No need to call DHA
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(61754)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 02:51 PM PST 
Phase 9 - 1 Kanal

Experts,
In your opinion where do you see the estimated price of 1 Kanal in Phase 9 -- 6 months post the ballot on 15th May?

secondly, what's your estimate of the maximum 1 Kanal file will reach leading up to the 15th of May?

Regards,

MNI
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(61753)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 02:43 PM PST 

Dear,
Please let me know what will the best investment after phase-9 balloting?
Have to sale and invest in new place or hold the 05 marla file.
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(61752)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 02:39 PM PST 
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(61751)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 02:34 PM PST 

Ad Type
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
For Sale
state life
2
ff
177
5 marla
Dear lahore real estate team.i have aplot in state life phase 2. I want to sell it.what is ur experienced advice.

Lahore Real Estate replied on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 09:33 PM PST 

Dear Sir,
In current market your plot is around 12 lacs

Ch Saeed
Lahore Real Estate
+923224333661
Email:INFO@LREPK.Com
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(61750)
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 02:31 PM PST 

Dear CMY I hope & pray for your health. you are always kind to all the people on this forum & answers the people query's at your level best without any intrest. I appericiate the LRE team for all the breaking news regarding phase 9 ballot.
In Shaa Allah i would certainely like to meet you when you visit pakistan. Plz don't forget to metioned regarding your visit to pakistan. I would like to ask you what would you suggest a holding time period for DHA MULTAN file if I buy it today as you suggest it for good short term investment?
when did its ballot expected in your opnion as i have very short buget? AS i have set a side this amount for kids education.
your sincere advice will be highly apprciated.
Thanks once again
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