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CVT decreased?
I heard a unconfirmed news that From July 2010 CVT has been decreased to 2% which was previously 4%, But now it is also payable to smaller Plots no matter 1 Merla.
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Down Town V out skirts
At this time one can find a 10 Merla old house in 70 to 75 in well Planned down town city Like Faisal Town or Model Tow ext.
At the same time 10 Merla House in out Skirts Like WAPDA Town, Valancia, Tricon Valley or even Bahria is almost same price [no matter latter options are mostly new houses.]
If we compare these prices it not down town much cheaper. In European countries down town houses are about 3 to 4 times expensive why it is not so in pakistan
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Exemption vs allotment
In Johar Town and Faisal Town, will someone clarify the difference between exemption vs allotment Plot. What precautions one should take to buy an exemption plot. 2ndly will someone describe if in past history of transfers if there was first transfer on "Mukhtar Nama" what are repercussions. I have no experience of LDA area hence asking these questions.
Thanks
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DHA 8
In fact I went to Lahore before March 20th To buy a file in DHA 8, but almost all dealers advised me that forecast of DHA 8 Plots is very low. Hence I did not buy. I shall highlight few observations which were astonishing for me.
1.Still we don't know DHA 8 development charges I went to DHA office to ask them and they told very clearly that it is not decided yet.
2. You can see most of Landscape of DHA 8 while passing through Broadway and level in 1/3 of area is about 10 to 18 feet Below Road level. This is big Concern even if DHA may do some filling it will take too much time in development and 2ndly on soft Soil foundations may sink., I am sure they will not level the area because they did not do so in broadway commercial. In such area the the speed of Construction will also be slow. Construction cost is big concern these days [Recently you may buy a good Plot in 40 Lac and Construction is Costing 80 Lac.]
3.The prices in Broadway commercial are about 40% Low than what asked in DHA 8. As Broadway commercial in on the Neck of DHA 6,7,8 should be most expensive area. So I think "Winners" of commercial Plots will lose 1/2 of money straight forward.

CMY Posted a map showing the rates of DHA 8 residential Plots if that is true then an average winner of Plot will lose minimum 10 to 12 Lac. Only time will prove that. If it happens so then DHA 7 and 6 will also shed some price.
It is nature of overseas investors that they like property directly from developer and think it will be risk and dispute free. No matter same thing is available in open market in substantial discount.

PROGRESS replied on Saturday, April 10, 2010 04:35 PM PST 

Yes, we can have a clear example below is a
plot for sale in that area is in about 42 lac which exactly match the price range map given by CMY.
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Any one who did not get Plot???
Just for my info is there any one Kanal applicant who applied and did not get plot in DHA A 8 especially in Kanal Category??

Lahore Real Estate replied on Thursday, April 8, 2010 09:48 PM PST 

Yes, there are many who applied for one kanal plot but were not successful in getting it.

Zahid replied on Thursday, April 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST 

Yes I applied for 1 kanal plot but not successful. Best of to all who got it. Zahid

Shakeel replied on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:17 AM PST 

I applied for one kanal but unfortunately I was not successfull.

Asim replied on Friday, April 9, 2010 01:11 AM PST 

I Applied for one 1K and one 2k.
I got in 2k but no success in 1k.
so if you didn't get 1k, don't feel bad, you are not the only one.

I am thinking to
buy 1k in open market before ist, if not, 2nd payment due date

Salman replied on Saturday, April 10, 2010 02:02 PM PST 

My brother applied for 1 kanal from Canada. He could nt get one. I applied for one kanal as well and I was successful. I guess 50% ppl who applied got it.. Its just my guess
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DHA Commercial
Dear CMY you never educated us about commercial plots of DHA, I would request a detailed post about Commercial plots, their price trends and prospects Giving Emphasis on
1. DHA Commercial Broadway,
2. In Air avenue and Park view
3. In DHA 8
4. In DHA 6
and in DHA 7.
Pls also tell about transfer charges of 4 Merla and 8 Merla plots and other dues.
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DHA 8 new Info
I just called DHA office, and asked about development charges for DHA ballot File Holders, they clearly told they will not be 10 Lac but he he cant disclose the accurate amount will be announced at time of Ballot.
They are also telling that if someone want to sell Plots in DHA 8 after soon after Ballot the buyer will have to pay full amount up front [all due installments in cash]. This will be detrimental for resale market.
In my view both are negative news but I leave for commentators how they interpret it.
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Phase 8 some new info
I just called DHA office, and asked about development charges for DHA ballot File Holders, they clearly told they will not be 10 Lac but he he cant disclose the accurate amount will be announced at time of Ballot.
They are also telling that if someone want to sell Plots in DHA 8 after soon after Ballot the buyer will have to pay full amount up front [all due installments in cash]. This will be detrimental for resale market.
In my view both are negative news but I leave for commentators how they interpret it.
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why DHA 8 File going down.
why DHA 8 File Prices are going down. Still there is no official Comment of DHA 8 development Charges

lahoree replied on Friday, March 12, 2010 10:08 PM PST 

1-it will go below 30 lacs uptill the end of march/ballotting.
2-due to the recent blasts in
lahore ,all the files will go 3-5 lacs

let us see wat happens?
allah knows better

Azam replied on Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:24 PM PST 

I sold a plot in T block yesterday two lacs above my expectation! The deal was initialized last night after the blasts! The stock market closed 146 points plus (above the 10000 level) last evening.There is an evening session on Fridays so this was also after the afternoon blast. The dollar was down 30 plus paisas and has been losing
value for the last many days.I have had three other offers yesterday for some of my other plots in phase 6 and phase 7 dha lahore!

There is definitely something positive in the air also.

May Allah forgive our sins and guide us through these traumatic times. I hope and pray for our beloved Pakistan. Pakistan hai toh hum hain!

visitor replied on Saturday, March 13, 2010 04:27 PM PST 

there are good
news about pakistan economy,the conditions are going to change but unfotunately our enemy is more active than our administration.when governmint and media start talking about water problems with india these blast come in action.in coming days the water issue will play an important role between two countries.
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CVT and Stamp Duty
Is CVT stamp duty and other transfer expenses are included in 55 Lac which DHA asking for DHA 8 in installment plan.

CMY replied on Friday, March 12, 2010 08:20 AM PST 

CVT and Stamp duty are only imposed on property transfer and not on new bookings
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I think DHA has very carefully announced the price of DHA 8, 55 Lac on installments is not too high neither too Low. To me 55 Lac in 3ys installment is equivalent to 45 Cash, Keeping in Mind Currency devaluation and Convenience of paying in installments. At this time and this price only end users will enter in market. There are number of reasons why investors may avoid it, first handing over in about 4 to 5 ys, then at least 40% Plots will be badly located 50% will be average and only 10% will be good Location. After ballot the location of plot will determine its worth. For the people who are buying on installments this investment will be like DHA homes in Park view where market price did not increase even after 3 years but it also did not decrease.

Looking at examples of park view Bahria and central park where there is huge difference between Booking price and resale market. the preposition may not hold true because of relatively better location of DHA 8.

Azhar replied on Monday, March 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST 

What about Clause 16(f): Terms & Conditions (DHA Phase-8)
[ Quoted: DHA
Lahore reserves the right to cancel any allotment at any time without any reason ]

Question: If a person get a plot on superb location and pay full amount of 55 Lac and DHA cancel his plot any time without telling any reason, What you will do that time ? Viewers are requested to comment on its justification.

Waseem replied on Monday, March 8, 2010 11:11 AM PST 

Baal ki khaal na utaaro piaray paki bhai. This kind of legal language is standard with all developers to cover them legally and completely. How many times have you heard DHA cancel allotments like that. DHA is most safe, secure and reliable of all the developers out there.

HHH replied on Monday, March 8, 2010 11:36 AM PST 

Well this Azhar this might not happen but can happen ..DHA has better repute but they have failed to fullfill their promises as well.... They promised they will give phase 7 file holder plot from same piece of land which was taken (that promise was in written form) and they didnot fullfill it....In 2004 -2005 there were written banners placed IN DHA by dha in phase 123 that DHA eill not merge with ravian housing society etc...how ever they did merge with them.....same goes with phase 6 there are areas in G block and L block where on
map plots have number but in reality DHA does not have possession and they have walled of that area ....So as analyzed by Jameel untill unless you have possession nothing can be said ....At present posterior wall of gold course in DHA phase 6 is facing a village......On map this is one of most expensive areas of phase 7 dha ..... ......However if DHA has possesion of certain area then chances are very slim that good location plot will be cancelled by dha .....

Love DHA replied on Monday, March 8, 2010 11:59 AM PST 

It is written in DHA
rules that if they cannot deliver a plot which is on their map they can relocate the plot but they will give the owner similar or better location. I have witnessed myself people who had very bad locations were swithced to ideal locations.

One of my friend had a plot in phase 6 N block boundary near bhangali in a piece of land which DHA could not acquire despite long effort. DHA gave him a very good wide road plot in L block. My friend was really happy because DHA gave him a plot which had 10 lakhs additional market value compared with his original plot in N block. This is a norm in DHA that is why some people are keen to buy plots where DHA is having trouble acquiring land so that they will be switched to plots with much more value. So far 100% of cases I know the switching has been to plots of much higher value. Of course if you have some sentimental value attached to your plot DHA cannot compensate that but they do compensate you well in financial terms if they have to relocate your plot. Relocation of some plots is part of the game and nothing unusual.

Constructive criticism is fine but we must not forget to also admire what is good about DHA.
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Is 10 lac development Charges officially Confirmed?
I wonder Is 10 lac development in DHA phase 8 is Confirmed or it is just rumor, logic being 4 ys back DHA charged 9 lac in DHA 7, Ever since there had been approx 15% inflation at yearly basis, Same is true for Pak currency. 2 y back in Park view C ext DHA charged 7 lac for 10 merla.
I am not sure DHA have announced development charges in DHA 8, it has lot to do with phase 8 file price. If it is 15 lac file should be 34,35 Lac and if it is 10 lac then Current price of 38,39 is OK.

Haroon replied on Monday, March 8, 2010 07:38 AM PST 

What is Installment file
ballot?
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DHA 6 Plot rates
Dear CMY,
After this halchal in Market is there any difference in price of DHA 6 plots??

CMY replied on Saturday, March 6, 2010 05:57 PM PST 

Up 3 lacs

RL replied on Saturday, March 6, 2010 11:32 PM PST 

Dear CMY have there been a lot of transactions at this higher
prices or just higher demands. You may remember from your own post on this website after the election that the prices of phase VIII files went up three lacs in 2 days but you said there wan not a single transaction at the higher prices.

kind regards

RL

CMY replied on Sunday, March 7, 2010 11:12 AM PST 

There is lot of genuine buying at higher
prices and DHA office is humming with transfers again. This is the reason the went for ballot right away. There is very positive mood in market. Lot more buyer than seller in every scheme of Lahore property market.
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Rates update
CMY,
what is snapshot of market at this moment.
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Ref to ad below
Ref to question of Mr Awais

P trap is an intelligent device which makes sure that water seal is present all the time, which does not allow smell to come otherwise there is horrible smell all the time on the distal end of Pipe, This p Trap should be in all places no matter WC or Tub or basin water. I think you Plumber installed simple pipe and bend to at least one of water out lets. It can easily be Fixed. Just see the diagram to understand the Function of water seal.

Friend replied on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 02:14 AM PST 

Some temporary smell problems may also be eased by burning one or two match-sticks. It works because most of biological sourced stinky gases like hydrogen sulfide, mercaptans, ammonia and butyric acid arise from non-oxygen environment fermentation. Once in air just a little flame oxidizes these to non-stinky gases like CO2 and SO2.

ZB replied on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 08:16 AM PST 

infect the traps are meant to stop all bad smells in sewage line. but this is generally observed that on 1st floor it is difficult to accommodate trap and pipes unless you cast the bathroom slab little lower then general floor level, some time the trap is not placed leveled and water seal stays incomplete and all bad smell bounce back through this trap.

99.99% plumbers and owners understand the
value of a trap for WC but takes easy the lines of wash & basin and shower.

While there should be no worry of a trap for a European WC as it has the built-in and a 3rd grade plumber do not miss this in an Asian WC too.

The problem is generally in wash & Basin and shower waste line where plumber and owner think it is not smelly issue but due to the uneven level of trap, water seal does get completed and all the bad smell gets in there fore it is suggested to have a good quality and level floor trap on the end of drop pipe on soppy water before this join to man hole or main sewage line.

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Transfer Validity and procedure of unknown societies
Would someone Clarify about Transfer procedure and Validity Of These societies some of these are pretty unknown so when we go with allotment letter to Check that original Holder is selling or not. How reliable they are as far as transfer issues are concerned.
PIA
Canal Gardens
Doctor's society on Canal.
Chinar Bagh
KEMC

So far I know DHA, Bahria, Valancia,WAPDA, NFC, LDA etc are most reliable But about others??

Few days Back one friend mentioned that the allotment letterers of any Cooperative society is signed by Govt authority called "Registrar Private Cooperative Housing Societies" Where this authority is located in Lahore??.

Jameel replied on Saturday, February 20, 2010 03:05 PM PST 

While searching about Registrar Private Cooperative Housing Societies, I could not Locate the website but cetainly sme body exits to regulate this business
Amendments to housing act proposed
http://www.dawn.com/2006/06/13/nat15.htm

"He said that 268 housing societies were registered in the province but only 145 had framed their bylaws. Out of 151 cooperative housing societies registered in
Lahore, 117 were functional, 14 non-functional and 20 under liquidation.
The department, he said, was taking all possible steps to check the malpractice in the cooperative housing schemes. Proceedings, he said, had been started for the liquidation of 37 societies and cases of 13 others had been referred to the National Accountability Bureau.

These included societies of Wapda, Sargodha; Rawalpindi Municipal Corporation; Aitchison College, Lahore; Government Officers, Lahore; Official Employees, Lahore; Superior Government Employees, Lahore; Pakistan Medical Lahore; Parkview, Lahore; Gulshan-i-Lahore; Common Services, Lahore; Local Government, Lahore; and the Cooperative Housing Society. "
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leakage form bath rooms
Recently I got offer t buy a house at very reasonable price, But this house had problem of Leakage from Washrooms from 1st Floor, That too quite severe. Does someone Know the remedy.
2ndly is it possible to wipe previous Plaster from all the house and do it again, As Material used before was not up to mark.

MM replied on Sunday, February 7, 2010 08:01 PM PST 

Please contact my brother 'Sidique' and give my ref.(Munir) for the solution.
345-441-4025

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, February 7, 2010 08:22 PM PST 

Salaam Jameel Sahib. It is a common problem in many homes. This is due to the reason that plumbing work is not proper done. It can easily be managed without much problem and expenses. It does not matter whether it is severe or normal as in both cases it needs to be opened and resetted.
Yes! plaster from all house may be wiped out and may be done again.

iibuilders3@gmail.com replied on Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:29 PM PST 

Jameel
AOA
Ist advice is not to
buy problem house , and if you want it any way then every thing can be repaired Leakage from Washrooms from 1st Floor can also be repaired just require re doing of sewverage lines,
If you want me to do it just give me your address or call me .

Aamir replied on Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:37 PM PST 

The same problem I had in my house which I rented out last week. To fix this problem requires an experienced plumber. First, pin point the leakage by carefully observing the direction of seepage or wetness of walls or ceiling etc. Then by pass that portion, installing pipes outside the walls. This way you don't need to dig the tiles or walls.

This problem is bound to emerge over the period of years in houses due to normal wear and tear of water pipes. The best solution is initial design and layout of plumbing work. The main pipes should be kept outside the walls and tiles as much as possible and feasible.

torture cell replied on Monday, February 8, 2010 02:41 AM PST 

in canada plumbing is regulated job and you must have license in this trade to perform plumbing job builder should fight for it in
pakistan too .
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Loan on property
Recently there had been some Frauds about Houses Sold on which Seller had already taken heavy Bank loan. I am not sure what is mechanism and how to avoid this Fraud. As most of societies/Patwar Khans easily issue Duplicate Papers. So even if seller have deposited original papers in Bank still he can apply for duplicate. Can any Banker explain how one can check this issue. When a property is Pledged by Bank then what happens. Doe Bank take possession of Property if not then how to make sure that loan has been not taken on Property. Does most of Banks have same procedure or there is some difference in that.

Ahmad Raza replied on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:13 PM PST 

Best way is to give an advertisement in newspapers that u r buying House#x, street#y, z-housing society.....and write that if any one has claim or objection, then he suld contact you at you via phone#abc within 15 or 20 or 30 days.

Then save those newspapers for any future problems to show in court. It might help but i dont know exactly how much help these ads can give in court especially if you have not bouht from original owner. You must contact some lawyer for detailed info.
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Central Park
Would someone tell me transfer of one Kanal Plot in Central park
Transfer fees?
Stamp?
CVT?

Wellwisher replied on Saturday, January 2, 2010 09:25 PM PST 

I request to all friends to please comment for
investment in Central Park. (1) Is their booking prices are lucrative keeping in view the prevailent market situation (2) Will it worth after about 3 years (3) When they are going to develop and are they trust worthy. Regards to all friends

GM replied on Monday, January 11, 2010 02:20 PM PST 

I personnaly feel that
Urban Developers are putting utmost efforts to convince all its members and others NOT TO TRUST THEM. Recently they claimed Central Park merger into DHA EME Phase Sector 2 but it has proved faked and up till now announcement has not been fulfilled.
I have invested my hard earned money in the project of Central Park since 2004 but no results are seen up till now.
The group is not trust worthy at all
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problem
It looks there is problem in LRE server and you can go back in previous pages

Azad K replied on Thursday, December 10, 2009 06:13 AM PST 

Yes there is a problem. I cannot view the site, other than by going to google and then clicking on discussion. The main page of the website does not open up. The server is really slow.

CMY should look into it. Many other peoples may not be able to view the website as there doesn't seem to be many posts lately.

Abdul replied on Thursday, December 10, 2009 05:05 PM PST 

it looks there are some barriers and obstruction or may be some sort of check on web from the last few days.
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Dubai Govt Debt Crisis
It is Biggest News of Yahoo and Gulf based news....
would Dubai based Friends comment on this If Dubai Govt Defaults then what would be Impact on UAE Banks which Banks are more Vulnerable than others

Jameel replied on Friday, November 27, 2009 10:21 PM PST 

This is Link for more Information
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/574653-dubai-debts-crisis-latest-news

Azad K replied on Friday, November 27, 2009 10:46 PM PST 

Abu Dhabi will probably have to step in and acquire equity in
Dubai controlled businesses as part of a rescue package.

Ali S. replied on Saturday, November 28, 2009 03:09 AM PST 

will this help
pakistan in anyway? i.e return of capital?

another question....if Dubai can default why can't Pakistan? Default on those 50 billion and then pay when our economy is in better position. We would save so much in payments.

Azad K replied on Saturday, November 28, 2009 03:20 AM PST 

No country can default without affecting its credibility and future
investment inflows.

Pakistan has a lot more potential than Dubai with really has nothing. It was just a desert. It just shows what can be achieved when people work hard and with honesty.

Ali S. replied on Saturday, November 28, 2009 05:21 AM PST 

cost to
pakistan's economy due to this war on terror is qouted at about 40 billion dollars....if we default and say world should foot this bill not us because it was not our war...that should be our formal position. if we had a powerful ruler who had base in people instead of foreigners then we could have certainly bargained better.

default and ban luxury items...especially foreign car imports. that would have two benefits....more jobs for our people and also saves the burden on the foreign exchange.

yessss replied on Saturday, November 28, 2009 07:41 AM PST 

That so-called "king" or prince of
Dubai, or whatever the hell he is called, sure did screw it all up. hehehee

Jameel replied on Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:08 PM PST 

Dubai is in crisis due to massive Debt, You can imagine just one Company of Dubai called Dubai world owes more than Pakistan has accumulated in 6 years. The reason of melt down is that Dubai Currency has peg with Dollar, so they cant "Print" Dirhams like Pakistan can do. UAE Dirhams Cant be valued in Open Market in just 0.272 of Dollar. Thay have to produce dollars from some source to pay this Debt.

kamran replied on Saturday, November 28, 2009 04:48 PM PST 

I think
dubai show is over...goras has made us fool once again successfully..and the loosers are pakistani and indians lost their billions

NRO replied on Sunday, November 29, 2009 08:49 AM PST 

NRO MONEY IS IN
DUBAI CONSTRUCTION

yessss replied on Monday, November 30, 2009 04:32 AM PST 

The US has very very close ties with Abu Dhabi. Thus, Abu Dhabi wants to put the squeeze on
Dubai because Dubai has strong ties with Iran. Abu Dhabi is going to bail out Dubai on a case by case basis, per the boss' instruction - the boss is the USA, the same boss of Pakistan.
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New 10 merla plots in T block
The New Map given below of T Block shows new 10 merla Plots in T Block of Phase 7 if so what is Market Price of these plots
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NFC 2 new Map
In NFC 2 new Map The 100 feet Road between Block E and B is mentioned as ownership of Suigas department. What does it mean?

YM replied on Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:45 AM PST 

I have a 1-kanal plot No. 206-A and want to sale it at Rs. 7 Lac and need offer please

Expat Doha replied on Saturday, October 10, 2009 01:42 PM PST 

Dear YM Please leave your e mail or tel or contact me. I am interested in your plot. Tel : 00974 - 5401738

Buyer replied on Monday, October 12, 2009 09:44 AM PST 

Dear YM,

How much you have paid and the remaing amount that is payable against cost of land & development charges against this plot.

YM replied on Monday, October 12, 2009 11:27 AM PST 

This plot is clear cost of land and two development charges installment paid.
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Hostel Expenses
Recently one of my relative sored marks in FSC and entry test just enough to get admission out side Lahore Possibly he will get admission in Faisalabad or Bhawalpur. Family has limited financial resources. I am thinking to offer them Hostel expenses, to partially share their Burden. I never lived in Hostel but can recall that in 1987-1988 minimum Hostel expenses were about 1000 to 1200 per month. Can someone share the recent experience especially of Govt Medical College. Any detailed feedback will be welcome.

Fayyaz replied on Monday, October 5, 2009 01:53 AM PST 

In 1994-1995 it was round 3000 but these days very expensive at least 5000 per month only hostel expenses.

Please help some one in this situation, as I have experienced that and left education due to this problem.

May Allah give you Jazaa

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Monday, October 5, 2009 11:52 AM PST 

I am very much involved in managing student's education and hostel expenses.
Generally a medical student needs Rs.5000/= per month to bear all of his/her day to day expenses in the hostel. It is relatively on good side as one can easily manage his/her living Rs.4,000/= per month. Medical collages are (at least) closed two month in a year so one can save bit money during this period. Hostel fee per year varies from college to college but on average it it Rs.20,000/= per year which is paid at the time of admission. Almost same is the medical college fee per year.
I honorary work for a lady who provides scholarships to deserving students of professional college so deal with more than 20 students per month to issue them scholarship. After doing lot of research on the matter we have reached on a conclusion that students should only be provided the scholarship on monthly basis. It should also be make them clear that it is only for one year. If he/she will provide good result this year only then next year's scholarship will be issued.
(I have no problem in sharing that I was able to complete my studies only due to scholarships provided by a well wisher.

Jameel replied on Monday, October 5, 2009 08:46 PM PST 

Hussain Kaisarni Sahib, thanks a lot for your useful and detailed input as usual.
You meant 20000 annual Plus 5000 per month

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Monday, October 5, 2009 09:02 PM PST 

Welcome Brother Jameel Sahib! I mean Rs.20,000/= (or whatever the annual fee of hostel fee is. I understand that hostel fee in Nishtar (Multan), Punjab (
Faisalabad) and Quaide Azam (Bahawalpur) Medical College is about Rs.10,000/= per year) plus Rs.3,000/= if a student is a responsible person. If you want to be on safe side then Rs.4,000/= are more than sufficient for a student of poor family back ground. The best way to utilize the funds will be to ask him to provide you the fees paid receipts. During first three months he will be needing bit more funds but he should try to manage himself within the given funds. Medical Students are also offered scholarships by banks and multinationals so he should also avail all these opportunities. The announcements of these scholarships are made available on college notice board.
Please discuss with the student that this is a loan for him and he is supposed to pay the amount back to you so that you can help some other student when he starts earning. It may create a sense of responsibility in him which will be beneficial for his future.
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Realestate Future Forecast
I am sure most of overseas people must have investment in real estate more than their need to Build House. As real estate prices are not gaining significantly in past few years. But there are certain other concerns.
Historically overseas investors used to invest in plots to save their Money against inflation and many of these investments are lying ever up to 20 to 30 years. If you look at now new types of expenses like no Construction charges and possible with holding tax the option to keep such properties for long period will be lost. This can have net negative effect on prices as well.
Comments needed

RE Investment replied on Saturday, September 26, 2009 04:16 PM PST 

I agree with Jameel, RE as an
investment is no more feasible in Pakistan as evident by stagnation of prices. The real probem is that expect RE, there are limited avenues of safe investment, for an ordinary man. Still oversees people have no choice expect RE keeping in view the long-term gain.
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information about Bahria Town lahore
Putting this question again
Hussain Kaisrani Sahib, would you give detail what Bahria Town Lahore administration is charging per month from Kanal, 10 Merla and 8 Merla Houses, At the same time pls tell about water electricity and Gas rates.
Please also clarify if there is difference in these rates in Safari Villas and sector B self built houses.

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Friday, September 25, 2009 11:14 PM PST 

Jameel Sahib!
I remained out of
Lahore to celebrate Eid with my parents who live in tribal area of Dera Ghazi Khan. There is no access to internet so I could not manage to go through posts. I am back now and will be replying unreplied posts very soon after obtaining update information. Thanks.

Dr Usman replied on Friday, September 25, 2009 11:58 PM PST 

Dear
Hussain kaisrani sahib is there any draw back or is it SAFE if I dont take possession of my plot in sector c which is an on ground plot with all dues clear except possession charges.
Regards

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Monday, September 28, 2009 09:19 PM PST 

Salaam!
Bahria Town Lahore is charging per month from ALL of Bahria Town residents as follows:

upto 10 Marla = Rs.12,00/= (It remained Rs.1,000/= during last three years)
Upto 1 Kanal = Rs.2,000/=
Upto 2 Kanal = Rs.3,000/=
From above 2 Kanal = Rs.4,500/=

Bahria Town is not charging for water until now. Gas bills are not under Bahria Town controls. For electricity they are charging flat rate of Rs.9 per unit. Bahria Town Lahore has full control on electricity so we are not facing outage of power any more.
These rates for all Bahria residents.

Dr. Usman Sahib!
Generally there is no draw back if you do not take possession of your plot in Sector C. Its recommended that you should take possession of your plot if you can manage to pay possession charges and not interested to sell it in near future. In Bahria Town policy the only PERMANENT factor is CHANGE. They may increase possession charges or can announce any extra surcharge to whom who have still not got possession. For a safety point of view there is no need to worry. Its equally safe when you got possession letter but the final document from Bahria is possession letter or site plan.
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Information about Bahria Town lahore
Eid Mubarak to all
Hussain Kaisrani Sahib, would you give detail what Bahria Town Lahore administration is charging per month from Kanal, 10 Merla and 8 Merla Houses, At the same time pls tell about water electricity and Gas rates.
Please also clarify if there is difference in these rates in Safari Villas and sector B self built houses.

Dr Usman replied on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 02:06 PM PST 

Dear
Hussain kaisrani sahib is there any draw back or is it SAFE if I dont take possession of my plot in sector c which is an on ground plot with all dues clear except possession charges.
Regards

Jameel replied on Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:02 AM PST 

Commenting upon Dr Usman, I think you cant delay possession intake more than specific time as I heard after some certain time if you don't take possession the Location of Your Plot can be changed and this is usually written in notice. People don't delay the possession letter.
Here is a fix now less regulated societies are full of other hazards Like qabza etc but above types of Chrges like No construction etc are less in those societies

limo replied on Thursday, September 24, 2009 02:22 AM PST 

Jameel, i own a plot in B-Sector that is with me for more than 10 years.I haver not taken the possession yet, neither have i received any notice from Bahria. As i said in my earlier post that i know a lot of people having plots in B-Sector, who continue to keep it without possession. I think Bahria is not having a stringent policy about possession. However it would be nice to hear from H.Kaisrani about it.

Dr Usman replied on Thursday, September 24, 2009 05:14 PM PST 

Thanks Jameel Sahab for your valuable suggestion.
Waiting for Kaisrani sahab's comments.
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No construction Charges in Bahria Town
can someone mention what is no construction Penalty per years for developed Plots in Sector B , 10 and 8 merla and Kanal plots
thanks
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why houses are so expensive in pakistan
In Pakistan Houses are expensive I happened to see the UAE UK France Oman etc.
I Think as compared to UK,US Houses are made very strong in Pakistan there most of houses are low cost Construction and needs renovation ever 15 years which cost about 1/2 Of Construction cost.
In UAE and other gulf Countries the Building last max 25 years and if you see their Condition after 15 Years they are so bad, WAPDA House was made 45 years Back still well maintained.
So many house in US are just Like ware Houses and very less number of wash rooms. In UK most old houses have only one or two wash rooms and mostly not attached. In Pakistan houses are very strong and good quality material is used. I think that is why they are more expensive if you make low cost pre cast type of houses and they are accepted by Pakistanis then only price of 2 Bed house can fall to 10 to 12 lac. Material Cost now a days is not Country dependent. It is almost same every where.
Historically the price of Land in good Locality had been sufficient to Make single story House. In past this ratio was bad but now again Plots are Cheaper than construction.

khan bahi replied on Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:34 AM PST 

what about where NO electric , NO gas, NO clean water, NO food ,NO law and order, then why houses are so expensive, even if you build a palace in where these ammunities are not available, that palace worth nothing

Abid replied on Thursday, September 17, 2009 01:20 PM PST 

Jameel, You need to do more reaseach, houses structure in UK are far better than
Pakistan, e.g. look at 1930s victorian houses, the are rock sold, old houses have character and people dont want to ruin it that is why you only see one bathroom in these houses. but new houses have ensuite with master, family bathroom and a clock-room (toilet)

The reason houses are expensive in Pakistan is because land is expensive, land should be under the control of Government and Govt should tax people to develope and maintain socities. But trust me, it wont happen because of poor policies and corruption

nabeel replied on Friday, September 18, 2009 04:27 PM PST 

Housing shortage in Capital may worsen: CDA sitting on revised draft of
master plan
* Private firm submitted draft to Planning Wing a year ago
* Recommends creation of new residential sectors

By Fazal Sher

ISLAMABAD: The failure of the Capital Development Authority’s (CDA) Planning Wing to revise Islamabad’s master plan may aggravate shortage of housing units in the city.

Almost a year ago, Mott McDonald Pakistan (MMP), a private firm, had submitted a draft of the revised master plan to the wing with a suggestion of creating new residential sectors to meet housing shortage. However, the draft has been awaiting approval since.

PakiTruth replied on Friday, October 23, 2009 10:34 AM PST 

Why houses are strong in
Pakistan:

People feel they have to live in this world forever.
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Dubai Property
Has Dubai Property Bottomed out and will it go up again this is a question which is being asked these days. Due to number of reasons I am no interested in Buying the Dubai Property but just to share with Forum and get better insight I am posting Following Observation.
In Dubai Discovery Gardens, Studio Apartments were Floated during 2005 in 340,000 to 330,000 UAE Dirhams. The Price slowly went up to almost Double Level. In July 2008 One of My friend Bought the Flat in 720,000 when they were almost ready. Unfortunately Market crashed after that in March 2009 he Sold the same Flat in 450,000 but price sliding continued till today people are ready to sell in about 350,000.
At present Rent of these Flats are about 35 to 37K per years, But this is not end Nakheel who is primary developer is asking about 15000 Dhs per year the cost of AC and Building maintenance [for Just a studio Flat]. These maintenance etc cost was over looked by investors at time of Purchase. And initial projected rent was 60 to 75 K during 2007. which has very well dropped to less than 1/2 and still not bottomed yet as more supply is on the way. Now if someone buy at this price which looks feasible. Still it is not profitable. You invest some 370K and get return only 5%, There is no guarantee that how long these Buildings will stay? will maintenance be further increased? will you get same rent or even lower rent. As typically such flats were having about 25000 Rent in 2000. If rents will drop to that level what investors will get after paying 15000 to Nakheel as maintenance.

Habib replied on Thursday, September 3, 2009 11:40 AM PST 

I have similar feeling but Discovery garden are bit away from city though it are on main road and area looks well populated and connected to
Dubai.
Almost similar situation is there in internationl city which is more close to Dubia Down Town. The studio Flats where sold in 199K in 2004 they sky roketted to 470 and Touched the bottom few months back to approx 270K. At this moment they are stablized at about 300K. This area is densely populated and rent is about 30K per year I am not sure about maintinance charges.
I guess now rental market and maintianace charges are determining the worth of apartments. As in Discovery gardens the initial Launching price was about 350 so price will not fall further but sale may slow down if it does not remain profitable for investors.
Though if you compare interenational city and Discovery gardens the Quality is better in later. And it is also closer to Dubai Metro. Tough it is about 255 KM form Dubai Down Town. And there are many Salik toll points on the way.

stn replied on Thursday, September 3, 2009 01:12 PM PST 

sir plz comment on sports city also.tnx
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Transfer of Money in Between Pak cities
Does someone Know what is the process to Transfer small amount of Money like 4, 5000 from one City of Pakistan to other city, I want to regularly pay some money to a needy Family, but they are so old that they cant manage Bank account, I know of Money order but unaware what is its modern form and are there some other TCS based etc transfer. And How much they charge for sum like 4,5 Thousand. Is it possible to mange it directly from UAE

Mian Nadeem Islamabad replied on Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:34 AM PST 

Money order is fast and safe but u cannot send 45000 in one money order; I also use these method and fill multiple oney order
forms for sending money to widow in Faisalabad on behalf of my relative in KSA. Other safe method is online transfer. Using courier or money changers for
this purpose is not safe. U can transfer money in the name of someone trust worthy who deliver the amount on your behalf.

fourvoyagers replied on Saturday, August 1, 2009 12:15 PM PST 

I hate to admit it, but the easiest way to send small amounts on door to door basis is nothing but the good old Hundie. It works very nicely for older people, who find it hard to face all those bank hassles.

Shahid replied on Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST 

Salam Jameel brother,
Some Money transfer companies are now paying through the banks you need (one must have a National ID card) the beneficiary will go to their nearest branch and they will pay them the cash on the counter.
For example: Noble Money Transfer service wich I use are paying through Muslim
Commercial Bank and Western Union are using National Bank Of Pakistan.

If I have to pay some one: I will send atleast three months worth of money together (it will make this a little bit big 12 or 15 thousands Rupees) it will save the hasle for the old age person to visit the bank every month.

Another option wich I use my self is that I send money to my trust worthy person in advance and he make sure the needy family get it on monthly bases as some people will spend it in one go.

If you do not find the information according to your need please let me know as I may be able to find another solutions.
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Load Shedding what are facts
Causes
1. Increasing population
2. Higher wattage electric Goods like AC fridge etc cheaper and more in use.
3. Ageing Dams
4. No new hydroelectric Project due fight is provinces.
5 Shortage of CNG
6 lack of Foreign reserves to Buy Fuel for thermal power generations [a thermal generator eats Up oil equal to its setup cost just in 20 days]
7. Bankrupsy of WAPDA and other vendors due to "Chori" of Electricity.

Is there any immediate solution?????

A poor pakistani replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 01:12 AM PST 

the same causes were there in 2006 and in july 2007 but was no loadshedding....
yes
there is solution.
and
solution is in hands of people of
pakistan.they have to come up.they have to control the things
as for as Govt is concerned,they are busy in some other work.they are making money or they are doing personal politics and all(ppp,
pml-N,JI) are agreed on personal agenda against mush.
no doubt he did some mistakes in 2007 but before 2007 he was much much better than these corrupt tola who are showing themself as they are the innocent.
just see if the mush will also say that he does not accept this court as Mian nawz shareef brothers were saying when justice dogar was CJ.
or he also do not accept the orders of police and say police ,not to obey these corrupt rulers and come in streets for loadshedding with common people,sui gas,hiking prices(the same way as did Mian brothers when there was governor RAAJ few months ago)
then..................

if previous Govt is responsible for loadshedding then why there was no loadshedding in 2007 july...
and
why all of sudden such huge loadshedding....?????

now few our reporters were asking like nusrat of AAj and hamid mir ,that will USA support mush..
and i am 100% that HAAL BRook will be laughing from inside by listening these.
as these reporters were sielent on mr 10% and were asking about trail of mush.................

now suppose if trail goes on ,will it be institutional war.
if so
then who is starting this war/????????
why not they 1st do trail of justice Dogar?????
why CJ do not itself see that how he was and what he did from
1999-2005..?

just think and think..
you will get the whole answers...
here no one is thinking for you ( a common man )..

you have to think for you by yourself.......

Fayyaz replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 01:19 AM PST 

Best solution is, privatise this (if we can control corruption), bring investors as much as possible best option is France having Nuclear Generation and restrict them to have true competition.

There will be no shortage and price will be less as well.


* Corruption Corruption Corruption Corruption Corruption is main problem in
Pakistan. Jo Jitna BaRa hai itna hi zayyada Corrupt hai :(

Azad K replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 02:52 AM PST 

The solution is to privatise
WAPDA besides the power distribution companies. The government has no role in running businesses and instead should leave that to the experts (businessmen). We should start generating electricity using coal, a resource that we have in abundance and yet are hardly using.

Naveed Yaseen replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 08:29 AM PST 

> 3. Ageing Dams

Dams aging/silting does deteriorate irrigation utilization, but does not significantly decreases power generation capacity. A substantially silt-filled dam, with relatively small modifications, can still be operated in run-of-the-river mode at similar total energy capacity.

A corollary to this point, if provinces do not have consensus on Kalabagh dam, still it's head height can be utilized in run-of-the-river mode for similar total energy (equivalent to 3600 MW), upon which smaller provinces may agree because of minimal storage capacity, lower maximum level and smaller affected area.

Jami replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:46 PM PST 

A lot of electricity leaks, i.e. illegal connections and a major part is consumed by
Wapda employees who do not have to pay bills. Only controlling these two fields can give us at least 20% electricity. Apart from that Government has policies that are self decaying. It is not allowing anyone to use the country's natural resources to produce electricity. For example utilizing only wind power at the coastal areas can double the generation capacity. There are many investors willing to implement this but the government is corrupt and will not let anyone to proceed without bribery. So Mr. Fayyaz is right corruption is the main cause and a cure to that disease in pakistan is no where in sight.

A poor pakistani replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:57 PM PST 

totally agreed with all of you ..
especially what the naveed yaseen and azad k said.

we are already upraising mangla daam since 2006. and will be completed this year.
but
it will be only for storage purpose mainly and its will effect electricity production but indirectly....naveed yaseen is right that we can generate cheap electricity through hydral projects on many canals and rivers...USA is doing this on some places.

as for as coal is concerned ,we will be astonished to read that our coal reserves are much more that the reserves of all gulf states oil.
yes ..more than that ..
and it costs only 450 billion Rs..
while our advisor for petrolium dr asim told last day that they are taking 1200 billion Rs as an oil tax from pakistani people..
just think ...
can we not go for this by little effort????

and these reserves are enough for more than 70 years need..
we prefer to take gas from IRAN in next 5 years at so high cost but
why we are not going towards coal with the help of chian (experts in coal)???? and then on the soil of sindh which is PPP based popular area and PPP is ruling part ?????
a point of concern ...need a lot of thought on what is happening here.......................

fourvoyagers replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:57 PM PST 

Assalam-O-Alaikum,

It is the easiest thing in the world to put blame on others. But have we ever bothered to do our own accountability? There is no doubt whatsoever in accepting the fact that we have got a bunch of extremely corrupt & short sighted rulers, who are hell bent to wreak havoc upon our country. But what
about us.... the Ordinary Masses of Pakistan??? Instead of contributing anything fruitful to our country, we are simply preoccupied bringing more and more kids in this world, which I am afraid have no future in the current circumstances.

To be honest, overpopulation is one of the biggest problems that our country is facing at the moment, which is solely responsible for the scarcity of already drained resources of our country. The most troublesome aspect of this grim situation is the fact that we are seem to be in no mood to address this problem, which is literally heading us towards a dead & dark end. If we, as a nation, are able to stabilize this geometrical explosion of humanity, I can assure you that within the span of a generation, we will automatically be able to resolve more than half of our problems by itself.... may Allah bless us the wisdom to seek solace to all underlying issues, Amin!

Another Pakistani replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 02:45 PM PST 

the same causes were there in 2006 and in july 2007 but was no loadshedding....
if previous Govt is responsible for loadshedding then why there was no loadshedding in 2007 july...
and
why all of sudden such huge loadshedding....?????

For poor pakistani: due to delayed/deffered payments to PSO against supply of fuel to electricity plants/projects (creating a huge circular debt of about 270 billion), there was no loadshedding. you should know that country was being run by a banker, shoukat aziz, on credit card basis, he used his credit card policy for his five years tenure.
the present govt is facing maturity of credit card bills.
thats why in 2006 ,2007, everything was fine, every indicater was positive. you were borrowing from international market on higher rates and reserves were highest ever. all that was artificial boom. economy ki roots khokhali ker di gaeen. the maturity of debt was during present tenure.

so PPP bhugtay gi......thats why PML(N) never wanted to join federal govt. they did'nt want to share the hard decisions....sub matlabparast or chor hain....koi bhi competent nahi.
regards

PakiTruth replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 03:24 PM PST 

The solution is very simple and amazing, charity begins at home. our average short fall of electricity is 3000 MW, as per one of my calculations if all homes (supplied with Electricity) switch off one 100 watt bulb (or any thing else which consumes 100 watt) we can save 2600 MW (almost close to the short fall)....

So be practical and stop blaming each other

A poor pakistani replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 04:39 PM PST 

i think this is fruitful discussion in asense
that view points are coming
this is much better than burning national assets but when the rulers will not listen then where these people will go and what they will do ..definetly they have no option other than this to burn things and road blocks etc...

my brother another pakistani was saying that last Govt did not pay the bill ,
i will clear here that if the tenure of Govt is finishing in october or novemebr then they can make budget of june but as for as payment is concerned or expenditures are concerned,they are not supposed to do so
becuse what the new Govt will do if they will expend all..
so by law they can not do....

2nd thing previous Govt gave 17 billion $ in reserve,where all that amount has gone..???
why the payment was not done to PSO from these 17 billion???
did they pay back any loan from this 17 billion...answer is NO..
then
where is this much amount went ????

while we took more 10 billion loan from IMF(the largest ever of pak history during one year)
while we are still pending the oil bill of saudia....
which is alos extra burden on nation...

you can not make fool to nation for 8-9 years..we all know that.
so how the previous Govt was running smoothly for 8 years while they were making us fool....???

as for as nation sacrifice is concerned....
what more you want from nation..
what has not been done by this nation???
now this is time for leaders not for a common man..

Engr.Shahzad replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 06:24 PM PST 

Dear Friends,

I am in power sector field. Let me give you real picture of the load shedding. Why it was not before 2007 and why it is so much now. According to data of M/O W&P and
Wapda we have installed capacity of around 19000 MW. But available power is around 14000 to 15000 MW.
Our peak demand is alos around 15000 MW. So ideally speaking there should not be loadshedding at present now or if there is it should be around maximum 1-2 hours per day. But we are observing load shedding of 12 hours.?? Why.
Because we have unbalance between Hydel & Thermal power. The agreement we have with private thermal power is at very high rate. And now wapda is unable to make the payments to these IPPs.
At the moment wapda has to pay a bill of more than 200 billion rupees to the IPPs to gas Companies and oil Companies. They are unable to pay this and due this these power plants are not supplying full power to Wapda. So the crises is due to circular debt. The Govt have talked ti IMF several time to support this circular debt but IMF is asking Govt to raise the power prices too much which Govt cannot afford. So this crises will contnue unless this circular debt problem would be solved.

Unfortunately we always use bankers to run the financials of the country, but in reality the bankers could only be a good banker, he cannot run the financials of the country. For country we need real economist who should have broad vision. Lets pray that we might be able to get out of this debt crises one day. Now we have total debt of more than 45 billion USD and we are not not even in status to pay only interest of this debt easily.

Azad K replied on Thursday, July 23, 2009 08:09 PM PST 

The way to reduce the birth rate is by spending more money on education and making it universally available to all. Therefore the solution lies with the government partly.

If distribution companies were privatised then the service would improve and as well the line losses would decrease. In
Pakistan currently crime pays and and law abiding citizens get penalised. The beaucracy creates hurdles in the way of investment in order to get bribes instead of encouraging investment. The beaucracy needs to be cut to size in Pakistan. A poor country like Pakistan cannot afford a pampered civil service as well as army.

Eng. Sid replied on Friday, July 24, 2009 12:01 AM PST 

Dear Engr. Shahzad, You are absolutely right. I'm also an electrical engineer though at present not in the bussiness of Power systems but I have been involved in power systems briefly.
In year 1998, I was doing the commissioning for kohinoor switchyard equipment therefore was involved in many IPP's of that time.
Have you ever considered that how many mega watts private generators and UPS systems have added to the statistics. I was in
Pakistan few months back and was surprised to see the sale of portable petrol and gas generators. I'm sure if sales data be collected it would reach to many hundred mega watts.
I only see one reason of failure which is usual associated with political govts. is that immediately upon assuming power they change the top management and than start hiring thousands of lower staff.
This is mostly done on party basis, which eventually destroy the organization beyond recovery.
I'm not in Pakistan from last 9 years but as far I know following projects were commissioned from year 2000 onwards:
1- Chashma nuclear1 - 185 megawatt
2- Chashma nuclear2 - 680 megawatt
3- Kot Adu - ?
4- Ghazi bharota - 1450 megawat
5- Kabirwala
6- Chesnup - 325 megawatt
7- Jagran AJK - ?
There will be many small as well but than why we are we facing problems suddenly?
Worst part is not over yet... next govt. have to face the worst part, which may include.. increased loans and high tariff agreements with more IPPs, inept management and over staff.
When there will be any attempt to clean up we will witness very strong protests.
What we need to build is water dams... I have also realized during my recent visits to Pakistan that some how India has become qibla of Pakistanis.. if this is so than why don't Pakistanis follow India in this area? India is building two to three water dams every year without any political opposition.
Technically speaking water dam is a very environment friendly project and in many countries water dams have changed the landscape and turn around their economies.

khurram replied on Friday, July 24, 2009 12:36 PM PST 

I am an ordinary Pakistani. Experts say that our country has clecrticity shortage of 3500 megawatt. Today a minister told on TV that 5000 megawatthatt are required for aircondioners in Pakitstan. So why do not we ban use of AC, then there will be no need for any loadshading.

limo replied on Friday, July 24, 2009 03:00 PM PST 

Jameel you did not mention, "incompetency of our professional staff" as one of the main contributor towards recent shortage.Recent accidental shut down of Tarbela feeders was a result of shear negligence of on duty professional staff. More load was pushed than recommended, it caused the cables to heat up and burn, no safety worked (O & M standards at such a critical place exposed.Shahzad and sid can shed more light on it.
People talking about coal resorces should keep in mind that firestly our coal is not of good quality, second world is no more ready to rely on fossil fuels because of the fact that they are finite and thirdly they cause global warming. China, where coal is heavily used for residential and industrial energy, the levels of SPM (suspended particulate matter, for easy understanding carbon particles in the atmosphere) pollution is highest in the world.
Getting cheaper energy from rivers and canals can only be possible if there exists sufficient volume of water with steady flow.Passing by Ravi you can see it has everything but water!
So a lot of areas need to be corrected and there is no silver bullet solution to the problem.

A poor pakistani replied on Friday, July 24, 2009 10:11 PM PST 

govt has decided to pay 150 billion Rs for
rent of 5 years to hire electricity generators .these will be hired for 5 years.
i wonder govt why is not paying less then this much amount to already existing IPP ,which are not producing, due to lack of payments.
by the way these are the same IPP payement, which were braught in 90s by the same PPP govt.and that time it was said that this is very much costly agreement and will impact poor badly...

now the same type of agreemet of 5 year rental is again being done by Govt..how much it will impact,i do not know but it will cost more than 10 Rs/unit while we are getting hydro at the rate of 50 paisa.

who will pay this much costly electricity???? you and me...
with so much cost of power will industry survive???
will investor come???
will we be truly in the days of darkness as said by Bush in 2001???
why these long march leaders are seeing al this and are sielent..
where are these justice restorers who are seeing death of common pakistani in future and are sielent....

the smell of corruption is every where but are the waiting for bloodshed of common people in streets or are they waiting for taliban................
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Fall in Market??
Yesterday one of Dealer [Known to me] called me from Pakistan that there is significant fall of prices in the DHA Lhr. He Told me many plots in Good phases of DHA 6 with Possession are available @ unbelievable Price.
Would someone Confirm the situation.

Suhaib replied on Friday, July 17, 2009 12:51 AM PST 

Dont worry. He is just trying to
buy your plot. All low price plots are already bought in last few days.

Rehmat ali replied on Friday, July 17, 2009 02:16 AM PST 

Dear Jamil:

Then it is time to
buy. Hurry and buy one plot for your residential need

AK replied on Friday, July 17, 2009 03:06 AM PST 

I bet that Dealer is not CMY, as according to CMY
prices are rising or soon will be rising.

Observer replied on Friday, July 17, 2009 10:26 AM PST 

Whatever people say but figures tells the truth. The property
prices are still falling down in Lahore. There are so many plots are available for sale in the market. You can easily compare the prices of last 5-6 weeks. Let see when the confidence of people will be developed again in property business.

allah rekha replied on Friday, July 17, 2009 01:52 PM PST 

jameel sahib
prices r really going down in dha both files and plots.and i think u will see at the end of august parkview one kanal file will be avaible at 22 lacs and ten marla file will be avaible at 17 lacs.

Jameel replied on Friday, July 17, 2009 11:12 PM PST 

@ Shoiab...
It was not for selling rather he gave me options to purchase
@ Allah Rakha...
I showed interest to
buy phase 6 Plots not files
AK of course it is not CMY rather a small dealer but last year he helped me lot. i wanted transparent deal and he arranged, we made transfer in few days but I am thankful to CMY and his LRE site who gave me Knowledge to decide my offer in spite downturn of market there is not significant fall of my holding as I Bought at right price last year.
I am trying to Confirm from other sources, The dealer called me because I showed the interest to buy when market is Low. Infact few months back [pre budget] I called him and he informed The Market was almost same level as last year. But Now 3 days back he indicated there is 2,3 Lac Drop in 30 lac Property in Other words about 10% Drop and more in Phase 6 Plots with Possession. I think this time opposite happened before pre budget there is Fall and afterwards market Picks. Looking at same trend CMY gave prediction that market will go up after budget but I think Now there is fall in last 2 weeks.

nabe replied on Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:18 AM PST 

i zone II islamabad, price boom has been started,
prices have gone up staight 4 to 6 lac per kanal
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Price of Pujab Govt phase 2 on College Road
Will someone Update the Current price of 10 Merla Plot in Punjab Govt employees Housing Society Phase 2 On College Road near Township.
The Last Info I have is about 1.5 year old when it was about 16 to 18 But I guess Market is Lower as Compared to that.
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Payment of Stamp duty last date 28th June
Today DHA Lahore issued the Notices to Plots Holders whose Plots were Transferred after July 1st 2008.
The Last date of payment is 28th June and it is 2% of DC rate, They wrote otherwise they will forward cases to Taxation authorities.
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