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DHA Phase 9 Prism Lahore Civic Zone-1 | Current Prices & Overview | Drone Video | September 2021

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Mian replied on Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:28 PM PST 

Great
Looks good
What is the rental potential of 8 Marla after possession at 150 foot main blvd ???

Kamal Khan replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 02:49 PM PST 

It is a 100 milliom dollars question. Today, 8 marla is priced roughly at 14 crores and 4 marla at 6 crores, with the potential to become double i.e. 28 crores and 12 crores, respectively. Adding the construction cost, the commercial plaza is likely to cost 32 crores for 8 marla and 15 crores for 4 marla.

How much rent these (high valued) plazas are likely to fetch, and would the expected rent make any economic sense to make such huge investment?

alpha replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 03:38 PM PST 

Just for comparison , the plots in central business district were auctioned for 1.4 crore per marla. Prism 8 marla commercial is priced even higher than that (1.7 crore per marla). Something is not right

Arhum Arhum replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 04:58 PM PST 

Alpha, it is DHA effect. DHA is where the wealthiest of people live so purchasing power is very high. Secondly, sections of DHA lahore like Y block, H block are already large commercial markets where people from everywhere come. Similarly, phase 6-9 will be ultimate commercial hub. We are already seeing it happen with phase 6 commercials MB skyrocketing to about 15 crore valuation.

Similarly, there is no question phase 9 prism will still double in commercial values. 8 marla will easily hit 30 crore valuation in years to come especially due to their prime locations. Phase 9 prism will cater most residents because prism is roughly equal to phase 6+8 in size. Not to mention, phase 10 the biggest phase being next door to prism. There is no question that prism commercials will double

alpha replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 07:02 PM PST 

All the best.. I agree in the long term it is it will double or triple or quadruple and we are all dead

alpha replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 08:17 PM PST 

People ( including myself) would go to Y block or H block 2 to 3 years ago. Now folks go to malls ( Packages and Emporium). There are wonderful new malls coming up in DHA ( Penta square, Dolmen, Raya etc). I believe there will be a mall catering to Prism encatchment area as well. We keep on circling back to the same thing that malls and online have eaten 8 marla's or 4 marla's lunch

Arhum Arhum replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 08:36 PM PST 

Alpha, Punjabis are not attuned to mall culture. We occasionally enjoy going to malls for a fun day out but most of our shopping is done through 4 and 8 marla commercial markets. I myself prefer going to small markets instead of malls for shopping as do most. Phase 6 will become huge due to dolmen mall, raya fairways, another mall in sector N/P as well as your main boulevard commercials.

Malls and online have in no way eaten 4 and 8 marlas lunch. Bigger retail brands have shifted to malls but majority business is still done through 4 and 8 marla commercials. Grocery, banks, restaurants, medical stores and most businesses are not suitable for malls. Malls are mostly for cinema, entertainment and retail/textile shopping. And forget online. Online shopping has increased but barely placed a dent on in-person business. In foreign countries situation is different where people even order most groceries online but in Pakistan, online game has long way to go and will have to play catch up for a long while

alpha replied on Friday, September 17, 2021 10:21 PM PST 

Interesting insights. I am trying to wrap my head around the contradictions. While you say that the richest of Lahore will live in DHA ( specifically DHA Prism 9 ), but they will go to malls for window shopping and entertainment only.

Arhum Arhum replied on Saturday, September 18, 2021 01:22 PM PST 

There is no contradiction in that. I've personally seen in Emporium that most people are just window shopping and same for other malls

SFGCS replied on Saturday, September 18, 2021 05:41 PM PST 

@ Arhum Arhum:
How do you see the future of Commercial of second tier societies like Paragon, Royal Residencia ?
Especially if one has a smaller budget.

Arhum Arhum replied on Sunday, September 19, 2021 01:20 AM PST 

It's not bad but not great either. I say this because residents in such societies generally have far less purchasing power than DHA residents and secondly, these societies are usually isolated and enclosed meaning not as much fare through. Paragon commercials are not a good option at all as they already compete with barki road commercials and I know for a fact that a big portion of paragon residents go to burki road for shopping. Why is this important? Because then less money is spent on businesses occupying commercials in paragon itself which is why you see imperial mall being totally empty. Hence less chances of getting building on rent and getting lower rent offers per price than in DHA.

Fare through is also very important. H and Y block are terrific locations for businesses to thrive because so many people pass by and through those areas when going to/from home even those that don't live in DHA. Same goes for phase 6 MB commercials because phase 6 main boulevard connects barki and bedian road so lots of fare through traffic or non-DHA residents stop by for shopping. DHA administration is very smart when it comes to planning commercials.
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Monday, October 5, 2020 03:35 PM PST 
DHA Phase 9 prism

Please Share DHA Phase 9 Prism Lattest updates, What are market conditions for investments. It is the best option to invest. Any updates for development and possession. What is the good location plot price in F block and G block. Is there any upward trend?
Is it capable to reach 250 lacs in one year time?

Rizwan replied on Monday, October 5, 2020 05:43 PM PST 

Next jump will be on possession. It is most likely in 1 to 2 years.

End user KSA replied on Monday, October 5, 2020 07:10 PM PST 

Market is getting more stable. Right now standard in F, G & H block price range is approx 120-145 and catagray plot u can get it around 150-160. Prism prices shown in Websites are not real. They showed 10-25 lacs more form the real
market. I don know why?
The prices will never touch 250 Lacs in one year. It can reach to this level if DHA will hand over the possession.
Now in all phases the prices in correction mode. I suppose the File prices will also reduced shortly.

SFGCS replied on Monday, October 5, 2020 08:17 PM PST 

The prices will see a correction with resumption of IMF program.

Habib replied on Monday, October 5, 2020 08:35 PM PST 

I agree with End User KSA feedback. Last 2-4 weeks the prices have stopped to go up and even had correction of 5-6% on the price increase which happened between July and August.
There are some die hard fans of Prism which will even tell you that Prism will touch 3 crore in one year which is not realistic. There is still time in possession and only possession is not enough to have increase in prices rapidly and it goes slow and smooth. Prism is huge!! So imagine the time it will take for it to get populated for first 20-30% then to 50% and later to 70-80%. People would have made money in prism in 2 months (July and August) for around 20-30 lakh with the spike in prices and the increase in number of transactions. but now may be it takes 1-1.5 years to have another increase of lets say 30 lakhs as things will be slow now and even if you see now the transactions will be less.
Many "dealers" have done token to make fast money and are now stuck finding genuine buyers to sale the plot taken on biana/token - that is confirm news and the truth. many people will agree with me

gamma replied on Tuesday, October 6, 2020 02:51 PM PST 

Yes - Prism prices are now controlled by IMF and World bank. Actually George Soros just started buying corner plots

Shehzad replied on Tuesday, October 6, 2020 03:26 PM PST 

Yes Prism is undervalued right Now. It Will gain more in short term. No doubt its the best investment in Lahore now a days.
This is the best time to buy Plots in 9 prism.

+ replied on Tuesday, October 6, 2020 03:31 PM PST 

No need to buy..the market has already started going down..it will go down because bianas are been stuck..no buyer in the market..file prices going down sharply..wait till december 2202 you will get a good location plot in prism in 100~110 lakh range.

yahya replied on Tuesday, October 6, 2020 03:31 PM PST 

No need to buy..the market has already started going down..it will go down because bianas are been stuck..no buyer in the market..file prices going down sharply..wait till december 2202 you will get a good location plot in prism in 100~110 lakh range.

PRISM INVESTMENT replied on Tuesday, October 6, 2020 03:33 PM PST 

Prism prices in one year ,by sep 2021 will be 3.5 crore plus.

End User KSA replied on Wednesday, October 7, 2020 02:13 PM PST 

Dear Habib You are absolutely right..... The prices is going down slowly because most of the dealers stuck in Banas and trying to find the genuine buyers.....except the bians certain number of plots in Prism as well as in Phase 7 are marked as stay order due to refusal of transfer by the settler due to sudden jump in prices.
In my opinion the Prism average good plot should not be more than 120-130 and category plot around 150-165 not more than this. At this level of prism takes at least 5 years to reach at current population of phase 7. I agreed the location of phase 7 is not good as Prim but there is a construction.
For example, You can see phase 8 prices are stuck since 3-5 years almost with same rates. Due to high prices of plots there is no construction there.
It is good for the investors as well as end user if the prices will stable and increased on logical bases otherwise the Prism will stuck like Phase 8 and you will not see any construction there.
The area of Prims is very huge, we suppose if DHA will hand over the possession for A,P,Q R blocks in December-2020 as creates hype of some dealers personally I am not optimistic. Considering the current work speed and laying the electrification cable the DHA will reach not ready for possession before December 2021.
This is just dealers GAME and Hype.
Due to the current PTI Govt economic performance the prices will increase of property not more than 5-10% up to 2021.
See the prices of phase 10 file suddenly reach from 40 to 60lac now back to 52 in 2 weeks, in coming days it will stable under 45-50. Who fool will invest in DHA phase 10 because the history shows DHA at least took 15-20 years to develop the phase.
I have a plot in prism on 150” Road, I bought it 124 lac in Jan-2020- All paid , in June the dealer approach me and offering 107 and suddenly the price increased he offer me 125 then after week he again offer me 155 and on peek offer me 185 and now he offer me 160-165. See the dealers GAME
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Tuesday, October 23, 2018 05:35 PM PST 
Home finance by banks (Mortgage)

Currently Real estate market in Pakistan is primarily cash market. Not more 10% of houses are sold on mortgage and market is driven by investor sentiment rather than end user sentiment. With expected changes in mortgage laws (foreclosure laws), should we expect any change in property market in 6 months to 1 year? Could market be driven by end user sentiment rather than investor sentiment?

LRE Online Support Staff replied on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 07:02 PM PST 

Dear Sir,
Major change in market can never happen in such a short duration of 6 months to a year. It will take years.
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Thinker replied on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 09:14 PM PST 

Mortgage can not be successful in Pakistan for two reasons. First the interest rates for lending are too high compared to west. Secondly the price to rent ratio is too low in Pakistan. For example a house that cost 7 crores in Islamabad rents for just 1.5 laks per month which is around 2% return. In the west the monthly mortgage and rent are equal so it makes sense to go for mortgage. Over here a person renting a house for 1.5 laks cannot afford a monthly mortage of 5 laks which is what it is gonna be. So its not an issue of laws but of economics. Unless the property prices come down or the rents increase by 200% it will not make any sense economically.

Zulqadar replied on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:46 PM PST 

I could agree with LRE comment but don’t agree with Thinker because of the following:
1. When u take mortgage, u r buying your own house and it should not be compared to paying rent

2. The principal of mortgage is to pay 20% to 30 % down payment and rest in 20 to 25 years installments.
3. Rental return on property in developed markets like London is 4 to 5%. In Pakistan return is comparable at least in Lahore and khi.
4. Interest rate going up in Pak , no doubt, due to increasing inflation but as and when liquidity in the market increases, rates are going to down. Hence mortgage rates will adjust. In no market in the world rates remain the same over 20 years.
5. Mortgage is the only solution of real estate market woes currently. FATF is posing a serious challenge to Pak economic and investor are going to be harshly treated. It has end user market sooner or later.

Regards

SFGCS replied on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 07:01 PM PST 

After quite sometime, good discussion is on this forum. Both Thinker and Zulqadar have valid points. The difference between Pakistan and West is high inflation and interest rates.

KSA Banker® replied on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 11:21 PM PST 

I fully agree with the point mentioned by thinker regarding anomaly between prevailing interest rates and rental yield on property for the non-existence of mortgage financing in Pakistan. It does not matter whether you are buying for your own use or to rent out, economic considerations are all the same.
Being from banking background, I through of illustrating the point with an example:
In the west – say in Canada (numbers for illustration):
● Price of a house – $555,555
o 10% paid with buyer’s cash (equity) – $55,555
o Paid with mortgage loan - $500,000
● Annual interest rate on mortgage – 2.0%
● Loan repayment period – 25 years or 300 months
â—Ź Monthly principal repayment - $1,667
â—Ź Since outstanding amount goes down uniformly from $500,000 to $0 in 25 years, so average amount outstanding during this period is - $250,000
â—Ź Hence, average monthly interest expense - $417
â—Ź Hence total monthly debt service - $2,083 (i.e. $1,667 + $417)
Now imagine instead of buying the house, the person is renting it then:
â—Ź House value - $555,555
● Rental yield – 4.5%
● Monthly rent (excluding any inflation) – 2,083
So in light of the above, as long as the person has savings of $55,555 to make the 10% down payment, he/she would opt for buying the house on mortgage because monthly rent and mortgage payment would be same but in first case, he would own the house after 25 years and in the second case, he would not.

In the Pakistan – say in Lahore (numbers for illustration):
● Price of a house (DHA Phase 6, 1K) – PKR 45,000,000
o 10% paid with buyer’s cash (equity) – PKR 4,500,000
o Paid with mortgage loan – PKR 40,500,000
● Annual interest rate on mortgage – 12.0%
● Loan repayment period – 25 years or 300 months
● Monthly principal repayment – PKR 135,000
● Average amount outstanding during this period is – PKR 20,250,000
● Hence, average monthly interest expense – PKR 202,500
● Hence total monthly debt service – PKR 337,500
Now imagine instead of buying the house, the person is rent it then:
● House value – PKR 45,000,000
● Rental yield – 4.5%
● Monthly rent (excluding any inflation) – 168,750
As you can see, if the person has only PKR 168,750 available for debt repayment, then he cannot buy the house on mortgage in Pakistan and hence has to live on rent.
This is the point which the “Thinker” was trying to make. Hope this helps

Critical Thinker replied on Thursday, October 25, 2018 06:17 PM PST 

Yes KSA Banker is right. The main difference is the very high interest rate in Pakistan at 12.0 % vs 2.0 % in the western countries. This makes mortgage options extremely unfeasible for the most of the people
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Wednesday, June 1, 2016 03:14 PM PST 
PHASE 7 VS RAHBER

Rates of commercial file of Rahbar and Ph 7 are same i.e. 238. I have file of Rahbar. Should I change it with Ph 7. My target is construct plaza and have rental income. All readers, please advise.

Thanks
Salman

Suggestion replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 03:37 PM PST 

Salman, wait till 2017 end. At that time sale Rahbar, it would have gained more as compared to phase 7. Then sell and buy phase 7 commercial plot.... and with extra money u made form rahbar put in construction cost.

KSA replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 03:39 PM PST 

Location of rahber is much better than phase 7 so long run or short run rahber will win the race

Hamid Khan replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 05:38 PM PST 

Phase 7 will be the top gainer in future Insha Allah.

SFGCS replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 07:47 PM PST 

Extremely thankful to all contributers for their valuable advices.
@Shah: A Special note of thanks for you. Your analytical skills are outstanding. Would like to request you please continue your contribution to this site. Please advise your comments on my previous post 82869 regarding comparison if investment in residential and commercial.

Regards,

Darwaish replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 09:27 PM PST 

Logically said, "Shah" Sb. Enjoyed reading your post.

Darwaish® replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 09:27 PM PST 

Logically said, "Shah" Sb. Enjoyed reading your post.

Darwaish® replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 09:37 PM PST 

I was referring to your first post. The second post appears skewed to one factor i.e. 2 kanal plots areas which could be only partially true. Anyway, logic is still there in your writing whether one agrees or disagrees with it is another issue. Please keep writing on this forum.

HassanHC® replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:19 PM PST 

Shah Saab very well explained. looks like you have spent lot of your life in Lahore or have lots of experience. Don't know your age but very experienced post.

Hamid Khan replied on Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:09 AM PST 

Shah rocks, well done dude.

LOYAL PAKISTANI replied on Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:49 AM PST 

Mr. Shah keep it up. But approach from Raiwind Road to any where sounds more practical as compare to phase 7.

MIT® replied on Thursday, June 2, 2016 01:26 AM PST 

@Shah sb. Enjoyed your logical and well worded analysis. Hope to see more in future.

MM replied on Thursday, June 2, 2016 03:09 AM PST 

Shah ji you are telling the same thing which I have been trying to tell for the longest time that phase 7 rocks but no one listened to me.
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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 07:31 PM PST 
Excluded Area In Prism Sector B

We only and only hope to get the very best answer from Team of LRE or CMY that what is the status of Excluded Area around Sector B, we have big concern as many of us owns plots near to it. Please let us know if DHA already has acquired or planing to do it.
The future of our plots depend on this vacant land which makes the value of our plot rubbish.
My regards.

Ahmad786® replied on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 07:50 PM PST 

How come it is rubbish? Plot in Askari XI is crore+ for 10 marlas. Even if DHA builds a wall and give access via Askari X1, your plot is not less than 1.5 crores after development. Thank Allah for getting a plot in clean area with no Nala and Factory

Moosa-Sh® replied on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 08:04 PM PST 

Hi Prism B Block Plot holders,

I hold a plot on 120 ft road in upper portion of B Block Prism.
Honestly i was thinking to sell it, it is not easy decision to sell the plot on 120ft road.

If we look at the map, i would comment in this way:

- No nallah
- no village
- Land adjacent to it is agri land / Clear land

May be claim of the land is with multiple parties, and may be case is in court, but once it will get clear, I believe this block will be as clean as F,G and Q block.

I think excluded area would contain Masjid, sector shops etc.

Pros:

1. Adjacent to M block (Hope for under pass)
2. Adjacent to Askari XI B
3. no village, no factory etc.

Cons:

Un certainty, and risk ... i hope high risk perhaps high gains :-)

Please check the leaked map of prism before ballot (11 may), although picture quality is not good, if you see .. Leaked map does not include the excluded area, rest of the map is almost same.


so let's stay positive and wait for good reward :-)

that's my idea, may be i m wrong, some expert analysis would be required.

Thanks.

SFGCS replied on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 08:48 PM PST 

Location is very good. However, LRE is requested to update any development in acquiring the land. Comments from Shah and Subcon are also solicited.

Accurate Guess replied on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 03:22 AM PST 

There is possibility that this is kept on Hold by ARMY for ASKARI extension. It this is so, then the value of B-B;lock plots shall be More than A-Block of Prism. Mark my Words
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Wednesday, May 25, 2016 06:01 PM PST 

A lot of knowledgeable persons are contributors of this site. Mr. SubCon has put very convincing comments for commercial investments in future regarding on line shopping. Still commercial is sought investment. My view is that there must be one ratio or multiplying factor between commercial and residential which is KPI (key performance indicator). Say 5. If commercial is available less than 5 times residential. It must be bought. If it is available more than that then residential should be bought. Comments from all gurus specially Subcon, Shah, Ahmet Kildier, Jameel Moghal, Habib, Yahya are requested.
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