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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 04:07 PM PST 

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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 04:06 PM PST 
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 02:51 PM PST 

I think that the amnesty has never been given to the govt. employees in the past and even the last one was not for the such employees. can any one throw light on this aspect as i am not clear on this point. thanks
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 02:20 PM PST 
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 02:14 PM PST 

DEAR EXPERTS SPECIALLY CMY SB AND NAEEM MUGHAL SB,


IS IT GOOD TIME TO INVEST IN PROPERTY OR WAIT FOR SOME TIME TO CLEAR TAXATION ISSUE. AND WHICH SCHEME IS GOOD FOR INVESTMENT AT THAT TIME.


REGARDS


NASIR
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 02:12 PM PST 

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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 02:10 PM PST 

DEAR EXPERTS SPECIALLY CMY SB AND NAEEM MUGHAL SB,


IS IT GOOD TIME TO INVEST IN PROPERTY OR WAIT FOR SOME TIME TO CLEAR TAXATION ISSUE. AND WHICH SCHEME IS GOOD FOR INVESTMENT AT THAT TIME.


REGARDS


NASIR
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 02:02 PM PST 

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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 01:28 PM PST 
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:53 PM PST 
Evaluate H-162 Rahbar phase-II

Dear LRE Member,

Please evaluate H-162 of DHA Rahbar Phase-II

Thanks in advance.

Mian Rashid replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 01:50 PM PST 

Dear Rizwan Sb,

Your plot near H 162 can be sold around 50 lacs


Mian Rashid
+923028409967
LAHORE REAL ESTATE
EMAIL:INFO@LREPK.COM
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:50 AM PST 
Bahria Sec-A living

Hw is Bahria Sec-A living v/s Sec B or C. its a small sector oldest of Bahria. I intend to take a 10m house there which is within budget but confused as Sec B and C seem more attractive but slightly expensive v/s A. pls can some one guide

Usman replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 01:18 PM PST 

If Sec A is within your budget and Sec B & C out of budget, what guidance do you need. Sec A is equally good. Go ahead.
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 08:49 AM PST 
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Tuesday, July 26, 2016 05:24 AM PST 
Answer to WhatsApp LRE group

*Very very important TIP based on my 14 years experience in real estate that you must not ignore*

Never ever invest in any scheme where you actually have very hard time to find even a dealer to buy or sell it . Just imagine how hard it will be for you to sell it when time or urgent need to sell comes. First due to many unknowns hidden things or unknown actual fair price you end paying a lot more than current real market rate as no trust worthy sources will be available to reconfirm true worth in low trading low priced dead trading schemes. Second at sale time you will be black mailed by only 5 or 6 dealers dealers working in low trading schemes as you can't approach a buyer directly without these few dealers involvement.

BECAREFUL and buy sell invest in only larger developers with proven past records and 100s dealers involved in it and 100s available plots locations options available to you.

My self have tried few low priced schemes to learn the lesson hard way. Found dealers have largest toka in hand in low trading schemes and just look for one or two kills each month and have no shame doing it to you each time as they are not looking for return clients. They just look for one more bhola bhola expatriate on Internet to slaughter next.

Its almost certain in each case when you buy you end up with at least 2 to 3 Lacs above market fair rate as buying price is fixed daily between only less than a dozen active dealers in such low trading schemes and same at time of need you are forced by same gang of only few dealers to sell under 2 to 3 Lacs of actual market worth of your property . They will never give you an offer until you are in tears to just dump it at any price and that too on baina. They purposely don't forward any good offers to you until you are ready to sign a baina at lowest possible price with one of the gang members. They share the loot afterwards.

Your wellwisher

Choudry Mujahid Yasin (CMY)
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Monday, July 25, 2016 10:21 PM PST 

ISLAMABAD: The Finance Bill 2016 brought an amendment to Section 68 (4) of the Income Tax Ordinance that requires determination of fair market value of property to replace the flat rate set by district commissioners.

Accordingly, the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) has issued its panel of valuers, who will be charged with determining the real value of property and will be subject to approval of the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) Inland Revenue administration.

Real estate set to win biggest tax amnesty

In the FY17 budget, the taxable period for capital gains on disposal of immovable property has been extended up to five years and a flat 10% tax has now been made applicable to the seller of the immovable property if he sells it within five years of purchase.

The law of property evaluation through the SBP-approved experts has been introduced presumably to curb speculation in property markets, discourage the whitening of black money and boost government revenue.

These are the intended consequences of the law, but let’s consider its unintended consequences.

Why investors speculate?

Speculation is part of the legitimate market activity, where speculators give a signal of buying when it is plenty and selling when it is short.

Speculators are autonomous responses to market fluctuations, though they may also cause these fluctuations. There has to be an excess supply in any commodity to attract speculation. In this case, it is the presence of surplus property files and vacant urban plots which attract speculation. This, in turn, is a function of bad zoning laws, which have pushed the cities horizontally instead of vertically.

In Pakistan, not only the bigwigs speculate, but everyone with even savings of Rs1 million does it through buying and selling property.

“Where else they would park their money if the business environment is not supportive, banks are giving loans only to the government and government keeps on increasing tariffs and taxes,” a fine point made by a Dubai-based Pakistani businessman Waliur Rehman.

Property market expects govt to take back controversial tax decisions

Thus, the debate should be on the real drivers of real estate market and not the symptoms. Government should not penalise investors for spotting the arbitrage.

Whitening black money

Suppose that suddenly all criminals and corrupt individuals stop their property transactions because of new laws. They need an outlet to stash their “ill-gotten” money, which resides in either cash or Benami accounts.

Its next likely destination will be forex markets, which will induce an upward pressure on the dollar, making it further appreciate against the rupee. This will most likely be shifted outside Pakistan and return whitened via remittance.

Once landed back, it will help stabilise and size up forex reserves – something which will be good for the current account but bad for trade balance, as exports will become dearer.

Therefore, it is better to let the black money remain inside Pakistan, as it is an externality of Pakistan’s legal system.

Govt revenues

In Lahore, properties are being transferred at rates of Rs2 to Rs8 million set by the district commissioners (DC), while market values of these properties are in the range of Rs12 to Rs30 million.

Govt may double tax on transfer of properties

Hence, on the DC rate evaluation method, the duties and taxes paid by the buyer were around Rs150,000 to Rs1.2 million, while the market rate evaluation method will increase these to Rs1 million to Rs3 million. Clearly, the government expects to make a windfall through the new valuation system.

However, there is a big assumption. Transactions will actually take place under new laws. While property speculation will be reduced, the transaction for even non-speculators will become costlier.

With additional duties and taxes slapped on property transactions, those wanting to buy property for their homes or businesses will be paying much more. Thus, the new law will penalise the legitimate buyers marginally more than the so-called speculators.

The Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry (KCCI) has proposed a better alternative – the prevalent DC rate system should be restructured and the changes in the DC rate can be made more frequent.

One demand should be added – the stamp duty and all other taxes on property sale and purchase should be drastically cut down. A combination of revision of the minimum price, lowered stamp duties and curtailment on Benami accounts will help create a win-win scenario for all the players.

Real estate in Karachi to stay unaffected despite budget proposals

As a result of the new legislation, three central government entities, which had no role in property valuation, have entered the marketplace. These are the SBP, FBR and Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan.

The mere thought of a sudden central government intervention in a market phenomenon is fearsome. It may be considered nationalisation of real estate market.

The consequences of nationalisation of businesses are well-established as anti-growth, anti-jobs and anti-economy. The case of nationalisation of property markets will be no different.

The writer is the founder and executive director of PRIME Institute, a free market think tank based in Islamabad

Published in The Express Tribune, July 25th, 2016.

Usama Javed® replied on Monday, July 25, 2016 11:25 PM PST 

Situation getting better

FAA.awan replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 04:35 AM PST 

Good comments,I think govt cannot offord to stop real estate sector.Govt will have to give in this regard.

FAA.awan® replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 04:37 AM PST 

Good comments,I think govt cannot offord to stop real estate sector.Govt will have to give in this regard.

MIT® replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:05 PM PST 

KCCI's proposal is quite viable. The trio's intervention is uncalled for and the recent act of PMLN is similar to the freezing of foreign bank accounts causing tremendous mistrust among the people. "Nationalization' chokes the economy which already is in shambles. Here the Government failed to do proper homework and have created a lot of panic and confusion with multiple taxation. Hope they fix it.

Szaidi® replied on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 01:57 PM PST 

How Govt. will fix market rates of the
files. Specially it seems difficult to fix rate of installment file.? After every quarter it value will change due to payment of new installment.?

Oversees Pakistani replied on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 01:12 AM PST 

Thank you CMY Sahib for your hard work!
Please someone can give a example that buyer or seller will pay how much taxes.

Password wrong 6191 replied on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 02:15 AM PST 

Nice article
What i know is that Govt is gonna bluff real estate negotiaters
Amnesty mean within stipulated period every plot holder has to pay tax on the difference of old and new dc rates whether he or she does not intend to buy or sell to whiten his/her money.
Once full money is white then after amnesty finish everybody property wealth
Is known to govt and then u ll see.
Anytime after amnesty finish they may adk from big fish how u earned so much.

Many points but i want to have feedback from folks

User_9629® replied on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 02:16 AM PST 

Nice article
What i know is that Govt is gonna bluff real estate negotiaters
Amnesty mean within stipulated period every plot holder has to pay tax on the difference of old and new dc rates whether he or she does not intend to buy or sell to whiten his/her money.
Once full money is white then after amnesty finish everybody property wealth
Is known to govt and then u ll see.
Anytime after amnesty finish they may adk from big fish how u earned so much.

Many points but i want to have feedback from folks
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Monday, July 25, 2016 09:52 PM PST 

Tax ke issues main LRR ko sab bhool hi gaye hain.

May we have any updates please?
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