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Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:12 PM PST 
Bahria Orchard 1 Kanal Brand new House For Sale

Bahria Orchard Raiwind Raod Lahore 1 Kanal Brand New House For Sale.

Its very good deal ready to move in Asking Price is 19.5 Million Rs

Pay 11 Million Rs at the time of transfer Balance in 2 years installments.

For more info Plz Call Or Email.

0300/322-4009766
masaeed786@gmail.com





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sulie replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 06:53 PM PST 

May I know what is original price at launch. I am interested in this property. Regards

SIM replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 07:08 PM PST 

Is is ready for possession?
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(76173)
Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:01 PM PST 

Dear LRE Team and other distinguished members,

I need some information regarding to construction of my house as follows :

1) I want to construct house on 1 Kanal in DHA 6.
2) The idea is to construct a basement, ground floor and upper floor. Both ground and upper floors to be independent portions with at least three bedrooms each. The upper portion to be rented out and the basement and ground floor for personal use.
3) What should be the expected cost per foot for a finished house of such dimensions.
4) Any other issues that need to be looked into.

Thanks.

Hashim® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:42 PM PST 

I am Civil Engineer, planning for my One Kanal House in DHA 6. but not going for basement. If you would go for Good Construction it would be near abt Rs 2500/sft. If excellent construction it would be at Rs 3000/sft. Basement cost will be 1.5 times higher than GF & FF.
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(76172)
Thursday, September 8, 2016 08:14 AM PST 
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(76170)
Thursday, September 8, 2016 04:20 AM PST 
Simulation to estimate rational prices of Prism plots

Dear All
 
Like many of you (followers of this discussion forum), I am a real estate investor and prospective buyer waiting for prices to come down to rational levels before making my intended investment(s). As part of the preparatory work and capitalizing on my limited financial and investment analysis skills, I did a simple simulation to try to estimate “target return based” fair prices for canal plots in Prism today.
 
The methodology adopted for this simulation is that after a certain number of years (holding period), prism will develop into a mature phase (say like DHA Phase-5 today) and upon reaching such maturity, prices of plots in Prism will be comparable to current prices in Phase-5 adjusted for inflation during the holding period. By assuming certain average inflation rate per year and current estimated prices in Phase-5, we can project the potential prism prices at the end of the holding period. By discounting the value of the plot at the end of the holding period at the target rate of return per year, we can estimate what is maximum price we should pay for the plot today in order to achieve the target rate of return. The development charges yet to be paid are also taken into consideration as additional cost for buyer in this analysis along with transaction costs (agent fees, taxes etc.).
 
For the sake of this simulation, canal plots in prism are divided into five categories which are (i) best locations, (ii) great locations, (iii) good locations, (iv) average locations and (v) poor locations.
 
The analysis is done based on US dollar values as inflation rate is more predictable.
 
Following are the key assumptions for the analysis:
-          Current plot prices in Phase-5 for above categories are (i) Best at US$ 355 thousand, (ii) great at US$ 315 thousand, (iii) good at US$ 280 thousand, (iv) average at US$ 240 thousand and (v) poor at  US$ 200 thousand

-          Annual growth (inflation) of above mature prices is assumed at 2.5%

-          Target rate of return is assumed at 10% per year

-          Holding period is assumed at 15 years (estimated time for Prism to reach the maturity level in which Phase-5 is today)

Based on the above assumptions, the maximum prices (including transaction charges) which may be rational to pay today for the five categories of plots in Prism to achieve the target return are estimated as (i) best at US$ 110 thousand, (ii) great at US$ 95 thousand, (iii) good at US$ 85 thousand, (iv) average at US$ 70 thousand and (v) poor at US$ 56 thousand.
I thought of sharing the above analysis with other readers of this forum with the hope that it may help other potential buyers like me to make a bit more informed and rational decision based on some degree of analysis
 

alpha replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 01:33 PM PST 

Good - but you need to account for behavioral biases of influencers - CMY's blue-eyed child treatment of P9 and step-child treatment of P7

MD® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 01:47 PM PST 

Price wise it will mature earlier than 15 years may be within 5 to 7 years max as happened in the case of Phase 8 ... so as an investor it should be your holding period max. After that
prices will increase gradually and you will have better option to available in market.
15 years may be to become as populated as phase 5 today.

KS® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:34 PM PST 

@KSA Banker very rational analysis based on good assumptions; however Pakistan property market is weired, its not based on fundamentals and greatly manipulated by investors/insiders/dealers.
As an example On pure financial grounds commercial properties price does not make any sense when compared with rental yield.
@ Alpha -agree with you one can see all sort of emotional and behavioral biases affecting the market.

Khawaja Qasim® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:43 PM PST 

@KSA Banker, excellent analysis! You nailed it!

Usama Javed® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 03:16 PM PST 

Anybody please if wants to sell his best
location plots in prism at 110 as recommended by banker sahib may contact i can buy at 110 right away. But my defination of best location is plots like facing Gc on 150 feet, facing Tp, corners at wide roads facing parks etc

Usama Javed® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 03:17 PM PST 

looking for 2 to 3 plots.

MY replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 06:46 PM PST 

Well done

Nabeel® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 08:16 PM PST 

Banker Sb, I think the assumption of rational buying does not come into play, otherwise people would not buy plots next to airport or where the whole area is surrounded by carpet factories, leather tanneries,animal research centre, Roohi Nala, that pollute the groundwater or right next to big highways etc :-)

As some of our respected gurus pointed out, DHA particularly does not follow rational trends as many well-to-do overseas friends (looking for hassle free investment ) and domestic black money gets parked in DHA.

Like one property dealer told me "DHA mein mitti sona hai". That is the reality and science fails here.

@anticipation replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 09:20 PM PST 

In simple wording, prism good
location plot bought today will be 8-9 crore pkr after a decade!

Junglee replied on Saturday, September 10, 2016 02:28 PM PST 

Hahahaha... Greed is curse. Sab Ko mamoo bana Gaye dar Sahab and investors.

Koi maanay Na maanay investor bhaag Gaya hai ab 4-5 saal baad hoga jo hona hai and buying will be after elections not before.
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(76169)
Thursday, September 8, 2016 04:04 AM PST 

What is the value of 20 lacs of 2007 vs now 2016 in property terms please reply
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(76168)
Thursday, September 8, 2016 01:21 AM PST 
Eden Gardens Update?

Salam

I know LRE dont deal with Eden Housing Projects but if any property gurru who may have any information or update about Eden Gardens project at ferozpur road?

Thank you

S.Hameed® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:28 PM PST 

Stay away from any project of Eden Group. They are thugs.
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(76166)
Wednesday, September 7, 2016 07:46 PM PST 
Low Budget Pomising areas

There are many good B and C Class areas which worth investment. As every one cant be accommodated in handful of A Class Societies in Lahore, But I tell you fact that A Class societies are leaders in price race. Gains in B and C Class are Demands just In Comparison, Like When Valencia was 40 IEP was 20 when Valencia was 60 IEP was 30 only in 2015 equation Changed. Type B and C Class Societies are not good to make home due to reason that construction cost is same in A or C Class hence after getting a cheaper plot you are confused many years should I spend Money in Making home. Same is true with bad Locations any where. B and C class Societies are very Tough to sell and there is Monopoly of few dealers.
However These Low Cost Societies are good for Those who have less budget in Hand and due to limited Budget they Make Home in Steps sometimes these steps are 5 to 10 years apart,

There are Many options all are not Fool proof and Qabza free,
One Can Consider these Options
IEP
Muhafiz Town 2
Fazaia 2,
Chinar Bagh
Canal Gardens
Inmol
Audit and Account 2
Formaintes Possession area only
State Life Possession only
Banker Town Possession Only

As recently Prices and moved up and now setting So I will Update Prices later

LOYAL PAKISTANI replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:13 AM PST 

Nice. Crux is excellent.

Jameel Mughal® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 01:17 AM PST 

But Fact is B and C Class areas suit 90% population and have tremandous gains in Long rnn, You have liberty to make House Like 1st story Grey , then finish and 2nd story after 10 years no completion certifacte needed, Losely regulated but not qaza free , Just to share an interesting fact
My best investment in A Class area gave me 4X return in 7 years.
My father's investment in C Class area Gave him 5,000X return in 55 years, Not on prime
location, in a narrow street. No Maintenance fees etc, 10 merla plot Bought in 1200 in Lahore now worth 60 Lac.
People with Low Budget should Continue Buying where ever they can.

LOYAL PAKISTANI replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:26 AM PST 

Fair enough.

Ahmed Naeem replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 07:55 PM PST 

China's real sector is ready to invest in Pak (especially LHR). With completion of Metro, up gradation of Allama Iqbal (Lahore Airport) 07 planes to 30 planes birthing... Is there any doubt that the
Lahore Real estate will not shine in comming years. Forget A, B, C societies. Just evaluate area's and try to book land.
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(76165)
Wednesday, September 7, 2016 07:37 PM PST 
Plots For Sale By Lahore Real Estate 07 Sep 2016






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(76162)
Wednesday, September 7, 2016 04:04 PM PST 
Dha Phase 6 2 Marla Sector H Commercial Plot For Sale

Dha Phase 6 2 Marla Sector H Commercial Plot For Sale
Pay 10 Million Rs At The Time oF Transfer And Balance in 9 Months Installments.

For More Info Plz Call or Email.

0300/322-4009766
masaeed786@gmail.com

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Junaid replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 05:14 PM PST 

How much balance amount in 9 month Installment?

Adil Saeed replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 01:59 PM PST 

Dear Junaid SB,

Balance amount is 9 Million Rs.

after 3 months installment 3 Million Rs.
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(76159)
Wednesday, September 7, 2016 05:00 AM PST 
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(76157)
Wednesday, September 7, 2016 01:23 AM PST 
Next move part 2

Next move part 2

Now notion is very clear we were ready to buy any property in Boom which will give us good maney in few months No matter waht was ground realities [ I personally never did that because I a mostly abroad and Can't take good Chance to sell in flying market only local investors with partnership with dealers can do this business]
In slum people will and should be buying properties which have following characteristics, already materialized, Possession given or at least ready , preferably some Houses are being constructed there, and Last but not least that these properties escaped investors eyes in last one year only due to fact that their prices were not increasing on Daily Basis, These properties will resit any price fall in slmp not only that, As the buyers are looking for such properties prices may increase even during slump.
CMY have Found 4 such propensities and he will share with us one by one, I am myself doing price research to find properties which are developed, are dispute and Qabza free possession available and Kanal plots are in range of 60 to 70 in B class and 80 to 90 in A Class
For DHA Lovers Low budget plots in DHA Phase 7 are still good Buy Don't go on the boundaries of villages and try to find any this under 125 , For 5 Merla I 100% agree that CMY recommendation about DHA Town.

alpha replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 04:40 AM PST 

While your reccomendations are accurate, they are not precise in-regards to three year return

Khawaja Qasim® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 01:23 PM PST 

Excellent analysis, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. It really helps and please continue doing so!
I have one question regarding Prism. If decent plot few months back available at 120 if at present trading around 110-115. What do think a good price to buy the same plot? In other words, what is the current worth of 1 kanal good
location in Prism?

Nabeel® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 01:51 PM PST 

Thanks Jameel Sb.

Just wanted your opinion on maturity for Phase 7 and Phase 9.

Can we say that Phase 7 will be livable in next 2-3 years with running shops?

Comparatively can we say that Prism will become livable comparatively by around 8 years with running shops?

In your opinion what would be price of average 1 Kanal plot when society has become livable as in above scenario? Will it be around 2 Crore roughly?

Arif M® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 01:57 PM PST 

When prism becomes live able there will be marginal difference in price of Phase 6 and Phase 9. Key question here is when it will be live able. Considering past record of DHA, I think it can at least take 10 years. But live able or not -
prices will definitely increase with time.

Habib replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 02:53 PM PST 

I personally Like Mature Properties No Matter Boom or Slump. People keep on saying this Calf will give more milk than its mother, But Come one Calf is Calf and Grown Cow is Cow, How they should be equal in price or almost equal. This very Simple Logic, I still believe that in DHA sector there are many inflated areas, DHA Phase 8 should be lesser than Phase 6, One left and right side of Main Boulevards does not make Good and Bad
Location, They have Much deep Land , Thekedar will never make Homes there to Kick start construction. Same is True for Prism where Calf is almost price of Cow, You will see people who bought at Boom will keep waiting. Exactly 2 years from now price may be same as of today, ie same price of 3 Paid Plot and 9 Paid Plot.
DHA is saying they will open most of DHA 8 for possession in Feb 2017, I say they cant open even 2 Blocks at that time let see who is correct.
I am sorry I have strong opinion but this is what I Think.

Observer replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 03:57 PM PST 

Habib sahib Burnol lagaiye

HassanHC® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 05:39 PM PST 

Habib sab cow is phase . If you feel calf phase 9 or 7
prices are same as cow then not sure of your analysis.

But your analysis says cow is more exp and yes phase 86543 are way more expensive so it means calf prism or even 7 is reasonable as cow phase 6 8 5 avg 2-2.5 crore and even 3 crore. Whereas calf prism is avg 100.

You are not registered not sure if it is some other Habib

Arif M® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 05:43 PM PST 

A good debate and discussion allows opposing opinions. These enable us to make balanced analysis. We can agree or disagree with the opinion but there should be no personal attacks. @ observer.

Nabeel® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 07:18 PM PST 

Yes very useful to hear viewpoints of brothers. Payback period is very important when calculating Return on Investment. Any feedback on below:

If we assume Prism current relatively good (but not great)
location plot of 120 Lakh will turn into a 250 lakh plot when Prism is up and buzzing in 8 or 10 years.Then Gain of 130 lakh over 8 or 10 years give total of 108% Gain: (130 lakh/120 lakh *100%)

-Annual Gain = 10.8% (Assume 10 years) or 13.5% (Assumes 8 years)
-Assuming Annual Inflation of 7% ,Real Annual Gain = 10.8-7 =3.8% or 13.5-7% = 6.5%

Therefore Real Annual Gain is 3.8% to 6.5% , for comparison MCB is currently giving 7% on Fixed Deposit of 1 year.

Habib replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 07:22 PM PST 

I was Comparing Phase 7 with Prism in Kanal Sector, and 5 merla In DHA Town and 5 Merla in Prism .
Cow Phase 7 and DHA Town
Calf prism
But I agree if Someone have invested on Mars, he will be offended when we say Come on your will never be able to reach there.

SIM replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 08:36 PM PST 

I agree with Habib sahib. Phase 8 is overpriced.
Prices in W block have crossed 300 lacs without posession while just across the main boulevard in Phase 6 best plots are available for 250 lacs. Remember both phases are 10 years apart in time frame.

@anticipation replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 09:23 PM PST 

Dear Nabeel, U r missing one thing only in ur calculations.
Prism plot
prices will be equal to phase 6/8 is after 10 years.
But do you think phase 6/8 plot will remain available at 250 after 10 years?
Brother, my guess is phase 6/8 plot will become of worth 6-7 crore at least after a decade years and same will be the price of prism then!

HassanHC® replied on Wednesday, September 7, 2016 09:30 PM PST 

PPL saying phase 8 is overpriced are saying this daily for last 2 years. last 2 years they have been saying and for last 2 years
prices have been stable or better and consistently proven wrong who are saying it today also.
One thing is what we want to see and one is what actually happens. Ppl who don't have phase 8 want to see its prices down for many years and still insisting on it. Similarly many ppl want to see phase 7 out perform all the phases and still insisting so far it has not out performed phase 8 his younger brother for superior location advantage.

My conclusion that phase 7 is decent project and will see stable gains with passage of time. Phase 8 is still Boss of phase 7 for last 5 years and for future minimum 3 years. Keep on hating it from last 2 years to future 2 years.

Now come to Prism keep on hating its location and never compare it to phase 6 or 8 prices as it will not suit prism bashers.

In conclusion in DHA Lahore ppl have 2 good investor grade options Phase 7 upper blocks not BRB blocks and Prism good blocks. Now make up your mind one is ready and other has great location and will be ready down the road 3 yrs or 30 yrs. Both will give you decent returns.

Jameel Mughal® replied on Thursday, September 8, 2016 03:44 AM PST 

Hassan I like your opinion which is usually balanced and not offending any, but sometimes it does not show Clear Direction.
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