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Monday, August 1, 2016 06:45 PM PST 
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Monday, August 1, 2016 06:32 PM PST 
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Monday, August 1, 2016 06:31 PM PST 

Salam,
Dear LRR please evaluate prism J 1438.

Thanks in Advance.

Malik
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(75382)
Monday, August 1, 2016 06:02 PM PST 
103-N Phase 1, DHA

Hello LRR,

Can you please tell me the current value of 103-N Phase 1 DHA Lahore. The plot is located near National Hospital.

Regards

Hassan Niaz replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 09:09 PM PST 

Dear Amir Sb,

The current evaluation near N 103 is around 185 to 190 lacs.



Hassan Niaz
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Lahore Real Estate
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(75380)
Monday, August 1, 2016 05:47 PM PST 
taxex of dha files

i do not know whether these taxes are on sale/purchase of dha files as well. please guide and oblige.
thanks
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(75377)
Monday, August 1, 2016 05:29 PM PST 
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(75376)
Monday, August 1, 2016 05:13 PM PST 
Agreement - A Win-Win Situation for Investors and the Govt.

The successful negotiation and agreement with Govt. regarding Taxes is really a winning situation for the investors under the current scenario.

Fair Market Value is better for us as a tax payer rather than current DC Rates. You would not pay any Gain Tax if you buy and sell s property in the same financial year as Fair Market Value will remain the same. Gain Tax is imposed on the difference between Purchase and Sale Prices.

But if we want to maintain DC Rates, then more of our white money will become black as we would be posing to buy and sell your property at (less) DC Rates rather than Fair Market Rate.

The real issue is not the New Tax Rates, as they would not make much difference as compared to Previous Tax Rates. But the real issue is the confusion among investors regarding additional amount of tax they would have to pay in a single property transaction.

Fortunately, the new agreement with Govt. has cleared the dust, and the situation remained almost the same with just a little more taxes.

But unfortunately, due to ill informed discussions by some of the members are maintaining and creating further confusion. I would request my friends to avoid adding confusion based on assumptions and unfounded apprehensions.

Pakistan® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 05:17 PM PST 

just a little more taxes

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 05:47 PM PST 

The real confusing is that we don't ve to pay if we buy or sell within a year time and our money would remain white. I would say this biggest self deception we have at this stage.

Please read link below & see what FBR doing in Karachi.

http://www.pkrevenue.com/exclusive/fbr-issues-notices-to-property-investors-in-bahria-town/

Wait for final notification and then consult with legal expert to understand final outcome.

Tahir Islam Bokhari replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 06:29 PM PST 

Ahmad Hassan Sb,

Was an individual's money white before introduction of this new Fair Market Rate, when there was only DC Rate?

Weren't the DC Rates creating more black money?

Tell me how the application of Fair Market Rate would make more money black as compared to application of applying DC Rates?

Confusion wouldn't help anyone, including your goodself, as attempts to reduce property
prices is bound to shake the whole economy, and nobody will be a winner!

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 08:06 PM PST 

No one can increase or decrease price here, especially an ordinary person like me. These were CMY words in one of audio that paying taxes based on DC value is technically converting our white money to black :).

He can endorsed his words or further clarify. But this is the reality that is not going to change.

Tahir Islam Bokhari replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 09:48 PM PST 

Ahmad Hassan Sb, Please apply your own mind and you will see that DC Rates were a bigger problem.

But, its better to take the words of CMY and accept that its a better thing to have Fair Market Rate than the DC Rates. So you must be happier now, rather than complaining.

You should know that playing with the sentiments is a bigger problem than the reality you are talking about. The reality is that no big change has occurred in taxes, but you trying to multiply the reality (new taxes rates) to 100.

This forum is the top place for property discussion for millions of Pakistanis from around the globe, and your distorted reality can certainly influence several readers who do not have time to study issues deeply.

So kindly refrain from distorting the reality.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 10:38 PM PST 

Dear Tahir SB, This forum is open for millions to agree or disagree with ones opinion, at the end everyone takes own decisons. I agreed with you that everything is same but FBR rates that introduced in new tax law. Let not the praise be before the victory & wait for notification. As of today both FBR or DC values seems to me agree like clocks of London. Either one write deed based on FBR value or DC values at the FBR going is behind investors to receive gain tax. I could be mistaken but it will be clear very soon.
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Monday, August 1, 2016 03:49 PM PST 
Another article just for knowledge sharing

Good Article-Copied from some website
Finance Act 2016-17 | Property tax rates in Pakistan

FBR will determine the real estate prices | 2-10 times increase in property valuation rate

In Pakistan rates of immovable properties were decided by the commissioner. Stamp duty and other property taxes were subjected according to the DC rates. Now according to Finance Act 2016 it has been changed. Now properties will be evaluated by Federal Board of Revenue, FBR. Now all property taxes will be subjected to new property rates set by FBR. All parties agreed to hike 2-10 times the property valuation rate. The parties further agreed to bring rates closer to fair market value in few years.

Withholding tax (WHT)

WHT THRESHOLD

The government / FBR has increased the withholding tax threshold. According to new taxes, withholding tax (WHT) will be applicable on properties worth 4 million rupees, instead of 3 million rupees. Withholding period has also been increased to 5 years.

WHT FOR SELLERS OF IMMOVABLE PROPERTY

1% WHT on sale of property for filers

2% WHT on sale of property for non-filers

0% WHT on sale of properties after 5 years of purchase

WHT FOR BUYERS OF IMMOVABLE PROPERTY

3% WHT on purchase of property for filers

4% WHT on purchase of property for non-filers

Capital Gain Tax (CGT) on immovable property

CGT ON PROPERTY TRANSACTIONS BEFORE I JULY 2016

For past transactions, 5% CGT is applicable on all properties purchased before 1 July 2016 and sold out within 3 years.

CGT ON PROPERTY TRANSACTIONS AFTER 1 JULY 2016

10% CGT on sale of properties within 1 year of purchase

7.5% CGT on sale of properties within 2 years of purchase

5% CGT on sale of properties within 3 years of purchase

No CGT on sale of properties after 3 years of holding period

No CGT is applicable on the plots of the Martyrs / Shuhadas

50% tax relaxation for the government employees

CGT CALCULATOR

Profit on sale of immovable property = Capital Gain

Capital Gain = Price of property at the time of sale – Price of property at the time of purchase

Capital Gain on property sold for 100 Lac with purchase value 20 Lac

Capital Gain = 100-20 = 80 Lac Profit

Tax on property profit = Capital Gain Tax = CGT

According to new CGT calculations | On profit of 80 Lac

10% CGT on sale of property within 1 year of purchase = 8 Lac

7.5% CGT on sale of property within 2 year of purchase = 6 Lac

5% CGT on sale of property within 3 year of purchase = 4 Lac

0% CGT on sale of property after year of purchase = 0

(Property price is not what the market value is but the price determined by FBR. At the moment FBR will start taxing real estate transactions according to 50% plus minus of the fair value of property – But in future like 3-4 years time all taxes will be according to the original value of the property AKA FAIR MARKET VALUE)

Tax on rental income

According to Pakistan real estate tax 2016, no tax is applicable on rental income if the total amount is less than Rs 200.000 per year and owner has no other source than rental income. The rental income of Rs 200,000 or above is to be taxed. Tax slab on rental income is:

Annual rental income 2-6 Lac = 5% of the gross amount

Annual rental 6-10 Lac = Rs 20,000 plus 10% of the gross amount

Annual rental 10-20 Lac = Rs 60,000 plus 15% of the gross amount

Annual rental above 20 Lac = Rs 210,000 plus 20% of the gross amount

Tax on incomes of builders & developers

According to new property tax law in Pakistan, income of developers is subject to taxation. Taxes will be collected from builders according to the rates fixed for different cities. According to new rates, builders have to pay per foot rate for commercial and residential pro

Ali replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 04:42 PM PST 

Withholding period is 3 years I recall. Correct if wrong
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(75374)
Monday, August 1, 2016 03:48 PM PST 
Ignored points in negotiations by ABAD

Hi,

This post is in reference to post # 84720 by Aldwin:
Where he has consolidated all the current taxes on real estate sale/purchase. I would request respected CMY, Jameel Mughal, Habib sb, Ahmat and other experts to compare the current and previous rate.

In my opinion, ABAD has just focused on CGT and ignored other taxes like WHT and advance tax for seller and all other taxes for purchaser (They also got per sq feet tax on constructed homes :p ) This is because only big fishes are present in ABAD. This is what dealers and small/medium investors like me need to understand and protest against. More tax whether it is on seller or purchaser will reduce the number of transactions in all societies and prices would halt.


Here are the current tax rates:

Buyer (Filer and Non-Filer both)
Stamp duty 3% on dc rate
CVT 2% on dc rate

Buyer (Non-filer)
WHT tax 0.6% on valuation price
Advance tax 4% on valuation price

Buyer (Filer)
WHT tax 0.3% and Advance tax 2% on valuation price

Seller (Non-filer)
WHT 0.6% of valuation price
Advance tax 4% of valuation price

Seller (Filer)
WHT 0.3% of valuation price
Advance tax 2% of valuation price

CGT (Filer)
10% first yr sale
7.5% second yr sale
5% third yr sale
0% after 3 yr sale

CGT (Non-filer): 0%

Previous rates on real estate transactions were:


Buyer (Filer and Non-Filer both)
Stamp duty 3% on dc rate
CVT 2% on dc rate

Buyer (Non-filer)
WHT tax 2% on dc rates
Advance tax 2% on dc value

Buyer (Filer)
WHT tax 0.5% on dc rates
Advance tax 1% on dc value

Seller (Non-filer)
WHT 1% of dc value
Advance tax 1 % of dc value

Seller (Filer)
WHT 0.5% of dc value
Advance tax 0.5% of dc value

CGT (Filer)
10% of dc value
5% of dc value
0% after 2 yr sale

CGT (Non-filer): 0%

Please highlight if I put some wrong figure.

Lets discuss!!

Ashfaq® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 05:09 PM PST 

@ Abdullah, Jazzaak Allaah Khairan
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(75373)
Monday, August 1, 2016 03:42 PM PST 
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(75372)
Monday, August 1, 2016 03:23 PM PST 
Ignored points in negotiations by ABAD

Hi,

This post is in reference to post # 84720 by Aldwin:
Where he has consolidated all the current taxes on real estate sale/purchase. I would request respected CMY, Jameel Mughal, Habib sb, Ahmat and other experts to compare the current and previous rate.

In my opinion, ABAD has just focused on CGT and ignored other taxes like WHT and advance tax for seller and all other taxes for purchaser (They also got per sq feet tax on constructed homes :p ) This is because only big fishes are present in ABAD. This is what dealers and small/medium investors like me need to understand and protest against. More tax whether it is on seller or purchaser will reduce the number of transactions in all societies and prices would halt.


Here are the current tax rates:

Buyer (Filer and Non-Filer both)
Stamp duty 3% on dc rate
CVT 2% on dc rate

Buyer (Non-filer)
WHT tax 0.6% on valuation price
Advance tax 4% on valuation price

Buyer (Filer)
WHT tax 0.3% and Advance tax 2% on valuation price

Seller (Non-filer)
WHT 0.6% of valuation price
Advance tax 4% of valuation price

Seller (Filer)
WHT 0.3% of valuation price
Advance tax 2% of valuation price

CGT (Filer)
10% first yr sale
7.5% second yr sale
5% third yr sale
0% after 3 yr sale

CGT (Non-filer): 0%

Previous rates on real estate transactions were:


Buyer (Filer and Non-Filer both)
Stamp duty 3% on dc rate
CVT 2% on dc rate

Buyer (Non-filer)
WHT tax 2% on dc rates
Advance tax 2% on dc value

Buyer (Filer)
WHT tax 0.5% on dc rates
Advance tax 1% on dc value

Seller (Non-filer)
WHT 1% of dc value
Advance tax 1 % of dc value

Seller (Filer)
WHT 0.5% of dc value
Advance tax 0.5% of dc value

CGT (Filer)
10% of dc value
5% of dc value
0% after 2 yr sale

CGT (Non-filer): 0%

Please highlight if I put some wrong figure. I will try to present it in tabular format shortly.

Lets discuss!!
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(75371)
Monday, August 1, 2016 03:21 PM PST 
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(75370)
Monday, August 1, 2016 03:20 PM PST 
Current Rate

Dear LRE Team,

Kindly evaluate my following plots in DHA Prism :

1) Near B-132
2) Near N-318
3) Near J-258

Also check Near L-560 in DHA Phase 6. Advice on the merits of location.


Thanks.

Mian Fawad replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 03:29 PM PST 

Dear Amir Sb,

Prism near B 132 is close to 110 to 112 lacs ( 2 paid ).

Market Price near N 318 is around 95 to 96 lacs ( 2 paid )

Plot near J 258 is still wroth around 65 lacs ( 2 paid )



Mian Fawad
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Lahore Real Estate
Email:INFO@LREPK
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(75369)
Monday, August 1, 2016 02:56 PM PST 

Evaluate H-350 Rahbar phase-II
Dear LRE Member,

Please evaluate H-350 of DHA Rahbar Phase-II

Thanks in advance.

Mian Rashid replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 03:00 PM PST 

Dear Rizwan Sb,

Your plot near H 350 price is around 50 lacs.



Mian Rashid
+923028409967
LAHORE REAL ESTATE
EMAIL:INFO@LREPK.COM
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