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Friday, December 12, 2008 07:27 PM PST 
DHA Lahore 100% confirm one call Hot deals

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DHA phase 5 10 marla plot L 252 10 marla at lowest price of the year at just 41 lacs.

DHA phase 7 1 kanal large road plot Q 54 @ just 40 lacs. This road now exist and you can stand on this plot.

Adil Saeed at LRE
03224009766
03004009766
LRE786@Gmail.com

:sh: :sh: :sh: :forsale:

Daniyal replied on Saturday, December 13, 2008 07:46 PM PST 

Mr.Adil,
I am interested in this 10M plot L252,send me the details,
Daniyal
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Friday, December 12, 2008 05:19 PM PST 

Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Allocation File 1 Kanal seller at 40 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 28.90 Sellers(s) at 29.00 lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Allocation File Sellers(s) at 43.50 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 7 AllocationFile Sellers(s) at 22.50 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 34.95 Seller(s) at 35 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 8 Affidavit File Seller(s) at 35.70 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 15.45 Seller(s) at 15.50
DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Affidavit File Seller(s) at 15.90
Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30.55 Seller(s) at 30.60 ( OPEN files are priced lower).
Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 21.00 Seller(s)at 21.10 Lacs.
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*** Always deal with Registered/Authorized Dealers only ***

Rates you can trust provided by:

Ch. Mujahid Yasin (CMY)
Lahore Real Estate
Registered/Authorized Dealer (DHA, EMAAR, Bahria Town, Urban Developers, etc.)
+92-300-400-9967
+92-322-400-9967
eMail: LRE786@GMail.com

http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com/
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Friday, December 12, 2008 03:03 PM PST 
RAQBAJAAT FOR SALE ON MAIN ADIALA ROAD RAWALPINDI

Ad Type
City
Scheme
For Sale
Rawalpindi
Adiala Road
Raqbajaat For Sale On Main Adiala Road Rawalpindi


(1) 110 Kanal Land For Sale On Adiala Road Near Shahpur Moar
Face : 70 Feet Demand 8 Lack Per Kanal.

(2) 200 Kanal Land For Sale On Adiala Road Near Khoupar Pur
Face On 40 Feet Road On Adiala Road Demand 4 Lack Per Kanal

(3) 14 Kanal Land For Sale On Adiala Road Near T&T Colony
Face 220 Feet On Main Adiala Road Demand 20 Lack Per Kanal

(4) 14 Kanal Land For Sale On Adiala Road Near Jani More
Face 220 Feet On Main Adiala Road Demand 10 Lack Per Kanal

(5) 1580 Kanal Land For Sale On Chak Balliy (Agriculture Land)
Fully Devolped Demand 80 Thousand Per Kanal Only.

Paradise Real Estate, Main Adyaila Road
Rawalpindi Pakistan
Malik Munir- - Pho -


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Friday, December 12, 2008 03:01 PM PST 
COMMERCIAL LAND FOR SALE ON MAIN GT ROAD RAWALPINDI

Ad Type
City
Scheme
For Sale
Rawalpindi
GT Road
Commercial Land For Sale On Main GT Road Rawalpindi
Land Total = 24 kanal = Face 600 feet
OPP : Ayoub National Park Rawalpindi

Paradise Real Estate, Main Adyaila Road
Rawalpindi Pakistan
M ARSHAD RAJA - - Pho

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Friday, December 12, 2008 10:20 AM PST 
Pathetic quality of Security Council's information and processes

It is against principles of natural justice to not provide accused with chance to defend, and to not provide a decision body which is legally skilled, free of bias and free of conflict of interest


With all the stark naked bullying like,,,
- illegally occupying Pakistani lands
- supporting terrorism inside Pakistan (upto disintegrating the country in 1971)
- denigrating Pakistan
- militarily engulfing Pakistan
- violating sovereignty of Pakistan
- extra-judicial murders of arrestable purported militants (actually God knows who)

,,, and now denigrating well-known and well-respected Pakistanis like Hameed Gul as international terrorists,,, I think Pakistan, unlike their likes, may rather be heading towards flipping point.

If and when that flip happens, they won't be able to do much more than what they can do about Iran now.

This column in today's Jang is not very wrong
http://jang.com.pk/jang/dec2008-daily//col2.htm

Moderator replied on Friday, December 12, 2008 01:23 PM PST 

Dear Mr. Naveed Yaseen please avoid politically charged discussions on this forum or you will be bannned from posting.

Rules of Posting are same for everyone.

Ali3 replied on Friday, December 12, 2008 04:25 PM PST 

Sir Mr. Naveed Yasin Sb., I salute you for talking about human rights and for defending our beloved Pakistan!

Observer replied on Friday, December 12, 2008 07:02 PM PST 

Moderator

I agree this forum should not be used as a political platform. Although its not fair to disallow some reasonable comment to give people right to voice their concerns as unfortunately Property and Politics are some times affected by each other.

alpha replied on Friday, December 12, 2008 11:03 PM PST 

Dear Naveed Yaseen Sahab, perhaps you cound have put it as follows to conform to the Moderator Sahab rules:

"The strong correlation between political stability and Real Estate cool down the real estate
prices - The irrational judicial process keep real estate investors more confused then ever"

arsu replied on Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:57 AM PST 

Azher, moderator has asked Naveed to refrain from POLITICALLY CHARGED discussions.The discussion which you are referring to, by no means falls under the prohibited category.
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 06:53 PM PST 
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 06:29 PM PST 
DHA Lahore Plot File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse

Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse Dec 11, 2008 3:30 PM

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Allocation File 1 Kanal seller at 40 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 28.90 Sellers(s) at 29.00 lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Allocation File Sellers(s) at 43.50 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 7 AllocationFile Sellers(s) at 22.50 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 34.90 Seller(s) at 34.95 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 8 Affidavit File Seller(s) at 35.50 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 15.45 Seller(s) at 15.50
DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Affidavit File Seller(s) at 15.75
Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30.50 Seller(s) at 30.60 ( OPEN files are priced lower).
Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 21.50 Seller(s)at 21.55 Lacs.

Bahria Town Plot File Prices

Bahria Lahore Sector C 10 marla 2 Paid at 1.81 Lacs
Bahria Lahore Sector C 10 marla 3 Paid at 2.35 Lacs
Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 9 10 marla 3 paid file buyers at 1.78 lacs sellers at 1.79 lacs
Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 9 10 marla 2 paid file buyers at 1.25 lacs sellers at 1.28 lacs
DHA Islamabad Plot Files Prices
DHA Islamabad Phase 2 Extension 1 kanal allocation files in S T blocks buyers 11.05 Lacs to sellers 11.15 Lacs

DHA Valley Islamabad 5 marla and 8 Marla plots Files
Buyers at -12000 Sellers at -9000 of Booking prices

Actual loss to a seller that booked the plot is Rs 10000 on full paid amount as of today. Buyer pays file open fee and membership fee.

Buyer also pays membership fee and open fee.+


Lahore Real Estate now buy sell in DHA Valley Islamabad plot files. Call Saeed Rafiq sahib to buy sell in DHA Valley Islamabad.

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DHA Lahore Phase 5 Plots

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block A 10 Marla = 48 to 53 Lacs , 1 kanal = 72 to 1105 Lacs, 2 kanal = 180 to 225 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block B 5 Marla = 27 to 32 Lacs, 10 Marla = 46 to 50 Lacs , 1 kanal = 65 to 120 Lacs, 2 kanal = 200 to 250 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block C 5 Marla = ------, 10 Marla = -------, 1 kanal = 80 to 120 Lacs, 2 kanal = 200 to 250 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block D 5 Marla = 24 to 28 Lacs, 10 Marla = 42 to 48 Lacs , 1 kanal = 75 to 125 Lacs, ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block E 10 Marla = 65 to 72 Lacs , 1 kanal = 85 to 125 Lacs, ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block F 1 kanal = 95 to 125 Lacs, 2 kanal = 225 to 275 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block G 1 kanal = 80 to 125 Lacs, 2 kanal = 225 to 265 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block H 1 kanal = 75 to 105 Lacs, 2 kanal = 225 to 240 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block J 10 Marla = ---- , 1 kanal = 60 to 105 Lacs, ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block K 10 Marla = 47 to 52 Lacs , 1 kanal = 75 to 95 Lacs, 2 kanal = 175 to 200 Lacs ( Not ready for construction untill Dec 2008 )
DHA Lahore Phase 5 Block L 5 Marla = 26 to 30, 10 Marla = 42 to 45 Lacs , 1 kanal = 62 to 80 Lacs, ( Not ready for construction untill Dec 2008 )

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DHA Lahore Phase 6 Plots

DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block A 10 marla = 37 to 40 Lacs, 1 Kanal= 55 to 72 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block B 1 Kanal= 53 to 70 Lacs, ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block C 1 Kanal= 43 to 65 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 140 to 155 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block D 1 Kanal= 42 to 57 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 125 to 135 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block E 1 Kanal= 43 to 52 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 125 to 130 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block F 1 Kanal= 50 to 57 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 125 to 135 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block G 1 Kanal= 55 to 67 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 145 to 155 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block H 1 Kanal= 52 to 70 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 155 to 175 Lacs ( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block J 7 marla = 28 to 32 Lacs, 1 Kanal= 53 to 70 Lacs,( Ready for construction today )
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block K 1 Kanal= 60 to 73 Lacs, 2 Kanal = 165 to 180 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block L 10 marla = 36 to 40 Lacs, 1 Kanal= 53 to 68 Lacs,
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block M 1 Kanal= 54 to 65 Lacs,
DHA Lahore Phase 6 Block N 1 Kanal= 45 to 60 Lacs,


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DHA Lahore Phase 7 Plots

DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block P 1 Kanal= 38 to 48 Lacs ( Possession possible in July 2009 to Dec 2009 )
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block Q 1 Kanal= 32 to 40 Lacs ( Possession possible in July 2009 to Dec 2009 )
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block R 1 Kanal= 39 to 52 Lacs ( Possession possible in July 2009 to Dec 2009 )
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block S 1 Kanal= 37 to 44 Lacs ( Possession possible in July 2009 to Dec 2009 )
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block T 1 Kanal= 31 to 38 Lacs ( Possession possible in July 2009 to Dec 2009 )
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block U 1 Kanal= 30 to 38 Lacs ( Possession possible in July 2009 to Dec 2009 )
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block V 1 Kanal= 38 to 48 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block W 1 Kanal= 38 to 48 Lacs
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block X 10 marla = 18 to 20 Lacs, 1 Kanal= 31 to 38 Lacs,
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block Y 10 marla = 17 to 19 Lacs, 1 Kanal= 27 to 37 Lacs,
DHA Lahore Phase 7 Block Z 1 Kanal= 26 to 38 Lacs

Corners - large roads- facing park - golf course plots are priced higher.

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DHA 8 Air Avenue Lahore Plots

DHA 8 Air Avenue Lahore Plots 10 Marla 35 to 50
DHA 8 Air Avenue Lahore Plots 20 Marla 60 to 78
DHA 8 Air Avenue Lahore Plots 40 Marla 125 to 140

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DHA 8 Parkview Lahore Plots
DHA 8 Park view Lahore 10 Marla 33 to 38 Plus 7 Lacs Dev Charges
DHA 8 Park view Lahore 20 Marla 60 to 95
DHA 8 Park view Lahore 40 Marla 95 to 155

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State Life Lahore Phase 1 Plots

State Life Lahore Phase 1 5 Marla= 14.50 to 17.50 Lacs
State Life Lahore Phase 1 10 Marla = 16 to 25 lacs
State Life Lahore Phase 1 1 kanal = 22 to 42 lacs

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State Life Phase 2 Open File Plots

State Life Phase 2 Open File Plots5 Marla= 5.50 to 6.50 Lacs
State Life Phase 2 Open File Plots10 Marla = 7.35 to 8.50 Lacs
State Life Phase 2 Open File Plots 1 kanal = 10 to 15.00 Lacs
State Life Phase 2 Transfer File Plots 5 Marla= 5.50 to 5.50 Lacs
State Life Phase 2 Transfer File Plots 10 Marla = 6.75 to 8.00 Lacs
State Life Phase 2 Transfer File Plots 1 kanal =9.50 to 13.00 Lacs

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NFC Lahore Phase 2 Plots
NFC Lahore Phase 2 5 Marla= 2.50 to 4 Lacs
NFC Lahore Phase 2 10 Marla = 3.75 to 6 lacs
NFC Lahore Phase 2 1 kanal = 5.75 to 8 lacs

NFC Lahore Phase 2 plot prices are without development charges.

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Bahria Town Lahore Plots Price Range

Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Abubakar Block 10 Marla from 10 to 18.5
Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Abubakar Block 1 Kanal from 30 to 37
Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Abubakar Block 2 Kanal from 50 to 58
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Ali Block 8 Marla from 15 to 17
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Ali Block 5 Marla from 11 to 13.5
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Ghauri Block 10 Marla from 20 to 22
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Ghauri Block 1 Kanal from 38 to 42
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Ghauri Block 2 Kanal from 65 to 68
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Shaheen Block 10 Marla from 20 to 22
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Shaheen Block 1 Kanal from 40 to 44
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Shaheen Block 2 Kanal from 65 to 68
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Takbeer Block 10 Marla from 20 to 22
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Takbeer Block 1 Kanal from 40 to 41
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Umer Block 5 Malra from 9 to 10.50
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Umer Block 8 Malra from 13 to 15
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Umer Block 10 Malra from 17 to 19
Bahria Town Lahore Sector B Usman Block 8 Mala from 15.50 to 17.50
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulbahar Block 10 Marla from 10.50 to 13.25
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulbahar Block 1 Kanal from 23 to 28
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulbahar Block 2 Kanal from 50 to 53
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulmahar Block 10 Marla From 10.50 to 12.50
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulmahar Block 1 Kanal From 21 to 24
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Jasmine Block 10 Marla From 11 to 13
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Jasmine Block 1 Kanal From 23 to 30
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Sector C 5 Marla Commercial Plots 23 to 38
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Sector C 8 Marla Commercial Plot From 45 to 48
Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Overseas Enclave 10 Marla From 12.00 to 15
Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Overseas Enclave Cat A Block 1 Kanal From 20 to 28
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Gardenia 5 Marla Double Story with possession From 35 to 37
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Gardenia 5 Marla Double Story no possession From 30 to 32
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Moderna 5 Marla Double Story with possession From 35 to 37
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Moderna 8 Marla Double Story with possession From 44 to 45
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Sarena 8 Marla Double Story with possession From 41 to 42
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Sarena 8 Marla Double Story no possession From 35 to 35
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Gardenia 10 Marla Double Story with possession From 65 to 68
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villa Gardenia 10 Marla Double Story non possession From 56 to 58
Bahria Town Lahore Executive Lodges per Kanal From 25 to 30

Plot rates are excluding development and possession charges for Sector C and Overseas Enclave.

These are going rates of plots in Bahria Town Phase 8 pindi

Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 8 10 Marla 3.10 Lacs plus 4.95 Lacs as development charges
Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 8 1 Kanal 8 to 9.50 Lacs plus 6.50 Lacs as development charges
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*** Always deal with Registered/Authorized Dealers only ***

Rates you can trust provided by:

Ch. Mujahid Yasin (CMY)
Lahore Real Estate
Registered/Authorized Dealer (DHA, EMAAR, Bahria Town, Urban Developers, etc.)
+92-300-400-9967
+92-322-400-9967
eMail: LRE786@GMail.com

http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com/

adnan replied on Thursday, December 11, 2008 08:11 PM PST 

Dear CMY sb

good day

please let me know how much one has to pay for phase 7 Z block 26 lakh plot after deducting the development charges which is still balance 3 lakh.
kindly indicate the plot number


DHA Lahore Affidavit File replied on Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:14 AM PST 

Allocation file is made after an affidavit file. Its normally second transfer that is held after a plot is allocated when all legal requirement were completed. Allocation file means a person is entileded to have a plot and he will transfer his plots right to new buyer. No

Affidavit file is a file where all land taking process is now completed and its ready for allocation of a plot. Land owner ask DHA to allocated a plot in any person's name he wants. First transfer of file is normally called affidavit file. Affidavit file transfer is not as secure as allocation but both are ok. In both cases buyer gets an allocation.


No time frames are officialy annouced by
DHA Lahore. This is my personal GUESS ONLY.

. Phase 5 M Block Allocation File may get you a plot within 1 to 2 years.
2. Phase 5 Extension Allocation File may get you a plot in 3 to 5 years.
3. Phase 6 Allocation File may get you a plot any day from today.
4. Phase 7 Allocation File may get you a plot in 3 months to 3 years.
5. Phase 9/10 Allocation File will get you a plot in 4 to 5 years time.
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 03:11 PM PST 
Looking for to buy House

HI,i am looking to buy a house around wapda town,NFC,Neshman iqbal ph 1 some where.budget around 35 lakh. If any one intrested to sell house please contact with me.
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 03:06 PM PST 
Brand new luxurious house for sale in Islamabad

2 driveways and 2 Entrance gates;
Spacious entrance halls (TV lounge) on both floors;
Sizeable Drawing room and dining room ;
60x60cm full body polished porcelain tiles all over the house
Marble flooring on driveway, veranda and terraces;
Wrought Iron Railing, Main Gates and Extensive Wrought Iron work on First Floor and in boundary wall;
"ICI Dulux Pentalite Classic" paint on walls and ceilings;
"ICI Dulux Weather-shield Fresh" for Exterior finish;
Teakwood Texture Aluminum windows with latest hardware;
IIL Pipe used for Suigas and Water pipelines and AGM Jedda KSA pipes used for sewage;
False ceiling all over the house;
American kitchen with fully fitted cabinets and Granite Marble tops, Teka Sinks;
Imported Tiles in bathrooms with Shower Panels, Glass Vanities, Porta and Saina Citos (separate shower area with shower panels and Double Jacuzzi in Master Bath);
One servant quarter with bathroom;

For site visit and further details contact:

(from outside Pakistan)
(from outside Pakistan)

(from within Pakistan)
(from within Pakistan)

e-mail:

M.Yousaf replied on Saturday, December 13, 2008 01:11 AM PST 

Houses are supposed to have sectors and locations, in which they are built?
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 02:02 PM PST 

Mr. Ali11 since that post was for EME and Mr. Manzoor posted his Awaisia colony post there i am not replying under the same post. Well Awaisia was a very well maintained Colony (I am talking 8 years back) We liked it very much, we visited the house for sale also. Then we were told that we have to meet the Union or the administration of the colony to get their approval as the new society members. They were mostly religious members mostly with beards, they did not approve our family since we were not the part of their religious sect (since i don't believe in sects i dont remember what sect Awaisia belongs) so the seller took his offer back and we could not buy it although we offered them exectly what he demanded (since we like the colony very good for the family living). So that is why i was asking Manzoor sahab about the current situation. If you are of the same sect i think you should visit this colony 8 years back i liked it very much.

Jameel replied on Thursday, December 11, 2008 05:22 PM PST 

That is good info, I never heard about this though I know this area, Similar info I heard about some Colony in Shadara, Mansoora is well known

Ch. Manzoor replied on Thursday, December 11, 2008 09:32 PM PST 

Mr. Ahmed
There no any restriction now to transfer house in any other person belonging to other sect. Before 5 years there was restriction but not now.
Ch. Manzoor
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 01:51 PM PST 
plot for sale in suigas society lahore

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
lahore
suigas society
1
E
124/6
18.5 marla
40
6400000
the plot is 3 to 4 minutes drive from d-h-a phase-4 & 5 very excellent location.
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Tuesday, December 9, 2008 10:51 PM PST 
Passports are kept by employer !

In gulf countries, usually the passports of the individuals who go there on work visa's are kept by the employers, perhaps with an intent that on getting a better offer the individual might not run away.Can someone share whether the same practice is followed in the west.

MH replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:39 AM PST 

This is considred a crime in the west.Even no employer can delay,hold salary of any employee without his permission.
My brother's passport was held by a saudi employer in saudi arabia for two years.

Jan Malik, Dammam replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 03:44 AM PST 

I am working in Saudi Arabia as a Pakistani expatriate for the last 32 years and responsible for such affairs of my company. Although Saudi law is silent on thus aspect, but it is general practice that a passport of a foreign employee is held by the sponsor in a safe cabinet by me and instead a Residence Permit (Iqama) issued by the Saudi Government is delivered to the employee which is valid for all matters e.g. applying for driving licence, opening of bank account, applying for family visa etc. etc. To my point of view this is not crime hence it is better that a passport is kept by someone who is responsible as there are chances that a passport may be lost by an employee. It is natural that if a passport is kept by the sponsor he is solely responsible for its safe custody. Moreover, most of the time with the permission of an employer or he wishes to release his employee, an employee can change his sponsorship. There is a transparent system of change of sponsorship. Hope I have satisfactorily answered the query.

Analyst_1 replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 04:40 AM PST 

By reading above posts, i am really thanksful to Allah that i did not move to any of the gulf countries for work where they treat workers as animals. Saudi arabia is a holy place and i love it but their laws are not based on equality. Same situation is in other gulf countries.
My friend Arsu, i have been in the west for 8 years now and can assure you that such practices do not occur here. You get all the rights which you even cannot have in your own country.
Your employer will treat you with respect. They cannot descriminate on the bases of religion, language and cast. I know, there are many cases where they descriminate, but you have a choice to go to court against them. In fact, they learnt from our religion and adopt islamic practices more than we followed.
Thats the reason, even though muslim world has all the resources of the world but still bow to west.

overseas wisher. replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 06:03 AM PST 

I am agree with Analyst 1 and we muslim countries should adopt islamic ways but looks like Western countries have adopted more islamic things than our own coutries.

MH replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 07:18 AM PST 

The matter is not only holding passports But also confiscating all the payments the employee has worked for the employer.Employer can keep the photo copies and local pakistani embassy can provide a passport in case of employee lose his passport,which is the purpose of local embassy.My brother's passport was held by his nemployer and was forcing them to work more than 12 hours a day without paying any extra money.Can we think this in the west?
Another example of expoitation is Dubai, paying very low wages to the labourers.On the other hand employee gets pay equal to US if he is holding a westren passport.I have a friend,a Gora,getting more than US$6000/month plus travel,residence etc in Dubai.
Regards,
MH

Naveed Yaseen replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:05 AM PST 

To answer specifically, no it doesn't happen in west, or US at least. Even the H1-B or seasonal workers, officially obliged to work for their sponsors only, retain their passports.

If some employer demands to keep passport with him, one should avoid working for such employer for reasons other than passport being withheld. However if one has to work or is already working for such employer, one can recover passport whenever one feels like to do so. Even if passport was agreed as a 'security deposit'. That is because agreements violating fundamental human rights are not honored in courts of law.

On gulf governance norms, I feel very much like what 'Analyst 1' said. Besides many arguable laws and norms, some are just stark naked against principles of natural justice, like,,,
- to deny citizenship by birth
- to restrict women's employment and judicial rights
- to restrict judicial rights of aliens
- to execute on presumption that possession of narcotics is always willful
- to execute minors on presumption they can judge accurately and cannot be exploited emotionally
- to persecute for asking accountability from rulers, let alone asking legitimacy

alpha replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:42 AM PST 

AoA, I believe not all Gulf countries and not all employers in Gulf countries keep passports. Fair Labor Standards Act was passed in the US at the end of industrial revolution to protect the labour rights in 1938.

Azeem replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:46 AM PST 

In response to Mr. Jan Malik:

I appreciate your loyalty with your firm and commitment to the country where you have been staying for more than 32 years, however I am surprised to know that keeping the passport is not a crime but it is actually a favor for the individual??? just to ensure that passport does not get lost by the individual?? In that case, why dont they deposit check books, jwellary, etc...No Sir! their only intention is to hold the employee (typical slavery mindset) and empower the local sponsors....We as muslim countries need to learn a lot from the western countries (I m talking about policies related to human rights...sure we dont have to adopt their culture but look at the freedom they provide to the general public..

Ahamad replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:51 AM PST 

Passports are kept by employer in Saudia and not in any other Gulf country.
There are certain reasons for it:
Mostly employer arranges visa for the employee after accepting terms and condition by him. In USA and Europe this is not the case.
After getting visa from one and then change over to other is allowed but with some restrictions.
People here can switch over jobs.
There are certain rules and regulations for every country and we should not criticise. Look our country! Is it easy to speak againt rulers? What about handing over Pakistanis to USA for Dollars.
What is situation of human rights (specially women)in Pakistan? See condition of our cities specially Karachi. You have to get registration in your own country.
There are discriminations every where. Pakistanis have no respect in Pakistan and how can they expect from others?
So please look at yourself before criticising others.

abj replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:55 AM PST 

I am trying to understand the logic,

"The Employer keeps the passport safe so it does not get lost"..

In short, the "ARABS" need to start treating people from third world countries as human beings like the rest of the world does, as they are not far from being in our shoes soon, maybe just a generation behind. In the next 20-25 years, the developed world is talking about alternative energy sources. No more Oil revenues mean the ARABS back on camels in a hot desert. Imagine them without oil revenue and NO SKILL SET. I wonder how far the revenue from selling "Dates" and "Haj" (tourism) can take them. A lethal combination for the " HABIBI HAIYAA HAIYAA" ignorant lazy *&(&^#%&^&#%*&)dressed in funky long white, who are incapable of making a decent living on thier own. Their time is coming. I simply dont like them as they treat pakistanis as less than human beings.

Milo replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 01:11 PM PST 

Unfortunately WE all (especially Arabs) are only MUSALMANS (read only kalma) and not the MUSLIMS (not following the ALLAH orders).
While WEST (generally) are not MUSALMANS but they are MUSLIMS.

Our all attentions & efforts are for HAQOOQ ALLAH but we have forgotten the equally important HAQOOQ AL-IBAD.

ALLAH may forgive us his rights (HAQOOQ ALLAH) but if we do any thing wrong with someone, only that person has the right to forgive us and ALLAH will not clear us for HQOOQ AL-IBAD.

In GCC (gulf countries) mostly they still have the concept of SLAVERY in the back of their minds. Discrimination, keeping the passport, delay in salaries, not giving the agreed salaries, not giving the due overtime, bad treatment, thinking of expats as HASHRAAT (only third world expats, peopel from west are treated as MAI BAAP) are the very common practices.

Ahmed replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 03:09 PM PST 

Saudi Arabia:

In KSA, passports are kept with the employer and a residence permit called IQAMA is issued to the employee. Even if the passport is given to the Employee, it is of no use because a person can not go out from Saudi Arabia until his EMPLOYER goes to Passport Office(JAWAZAAT) and gets the passport of the employee stamped for EXIT and RE_ENTRY(to come back).
No one can get that stamp on his passport without the approval of his KAFEEL(Employer or Sponsor). So you may have seen that in most of the cases, the people living in Saudi Arabia can not(normally) reach in the JANAZA of any of their dearest one as the process of getting the passport stamped depends upon the SPONSOR as well as it takes time also in the Passport office. An other aspect is that, most of our Pakistani brothers who are not having jobs with very good companies rather working for some small companies owned by a person, don't have direct approach to their sponsor. Even some don't know their KAFEELS(Sponsor). But contrary to that, I have seen practically, that people living in the west, UK, USA, etc are still able to reach in time and attend the JANAZA.
It is only one aspect. Ofcourse there are some many good points also in Saudi arabia like its life style and living environment, being very close to KAABA and Madina.(The purpose is not to start any discussion rather just to share the information and reality with other friends who don't know too much about GCC countries).

Friends just read this. The other informations I will send later.

M.Ahmed replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 03:59 PM PST 

CHANGING THE JOB IN KSA.

A person can not change his job with out the approval of his KAFEEL(SPONSOR) even he gets better offers from other companies. So he has to continue his job with his current employer/KAFEEL. In 98% of the cases, the SPONSOR will not agree for that even the person has spent many years with his employer.(Even 10, 15 or 30 yrs).

Ok, the only option left is to resign and go back to your country. Now from here an other story starts. Once you are out of KSA without having NOC from your employer(which will not be given in 98% of the cases), you can not come back to Saudi Arabia with an other employer before a period of 3 Years(having visa at Saudi Embassy in Islamabad) and before a period of 1 year(having Visa at Saudi Counsulate at Karach).

Before our brothers(with manual passports) were going back to Pakistan and getting new passport(having no previous proof of their work at KSA) and then getting back to Saudi Arabia in few months(some times immediately). But still if the previous EMPLOYER came to know and he objected, the person will be deported immediately from KSA.
But now with new computerized passport this channel has been blocked9approximately).
So before signing any agreement with any employer in KSA, make it very much clear with your employer about NOC issue and dont believe untill it is mentioned in your contract that he will issue an NOC or grant NAQAL KAFALA(permission to change the sponsor while staying in saudi Arabia) at the termination/resignation from the job.

arsu replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 06:25 PM PST 

Jan Malik, i think its not only the safe custody, but mainly to ensure that workers don’t leave a job in the middle of the contract. Criticizing this aspect would not be fair as countries where percentage of expatriates is much higher than the native population, one needs to devise measures in order to run the system smoothly. Can someone be specific about what measures do employers usually take in the west to ensure that expats working under them on work visas don’t switch over so freely. It would be nice to hear from someone who is working on H1B visa or HSMP. West has been selected by Allah for sun setting only, it’s the east from where the sun rises.

Observer replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 07:03 PM PST 

Time to call an end to the disgraceful behaviour of Arabs toward third world nationals. If someone believes that Saudi help means they are untitled to humiliate poor people than its lack of self respect selling honour for aid.

mahmood replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 08:13 PM PST 

Being in Gulf is a blessing I am working in a Gulf country where the peace of mind is there tax free income and religious freedon and free to eat anywhere anytime. People living in west can only dream these things.

How west treat muslims have my own experience visiting UK and Holland and heard too many stories in US also. In France they have two 12 year girls expeled from school for wearing scarf.

If you take out the religious part out of our life I think life may become compareable with guld countries.

In west they call it civilization where you cannnot even shout at your own kids but that what is not in our religion but living in west we accepted so many things againt our base.


I personally dont feel it a issue with the passport as its available to you rnay time you need to tavel you need to stamp you passport for making an exit from KSA and that what your employer has to do so it does not matte who hold the passport.

there are exception everywhere and in Gulf too however one who live is a guld country have much better life then any one in west. People do make coments from far are far from reality.

the issue in gulf countries are there with respect to illegal immegrant.

Views expressed above are my personal view and reader need not to agree.

Ag replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 08:33 PM PST 

For Mr.Jan Malik:
How come a person,who has such a poor reasoning ability is working in Saudia for past 30 years.If true,this means strange things do happen.
My vote and respect for those people,who have no choice but to give their passport.

alpha replied on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 09:33 PM PST 

I want to politely submit, that we voilate labor laws while practicing bonded and child labor in Pakistan. Lets first accord respect our fellow-Pakistani brethren first at home.

papajee replied on Thursday, December 11, 2008 02:01 AM PST 

In my opinion these so called arabs are double zero's holding a fan belt type on there heads, and they really mean to have no mind of there own, they are too afraid from there employees, and we are just wasting time and space to talk about them any way.

JI replied on Thursday, December 11, 2008 03:55 PM PST 

Jan Malik,
What a stupid stupid argument "we keep them because they might loose it". There are other things more precious that they might loose, dignity is one of them. Wife and kids is the other.

Observer replied on Thursday, December 11, 2008 06:02 PM PST 

How ready are we Pakistanis when it comes to degrading ourselves in the name of religion or for the sake of money. Religion and earning do not have to make you a slave.

Zahid replied on Saturday, December 13, 2008 05:10 PM PST 

Its very simple.......ID card, passport, educational degree/certificates etc are the personal properties of an individual, which helps him to have certain rights as per law of the land. Any body snatching or taking his personal document from him is obviously dening a basic human rights and black mailing nothing else. This is like JAIL rules. Logic answers every thing.
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Tuesday, December 9, 2008 09:25 PM PST 
Eid Mubarak

سب اہل وطن کو

عيـــــــــد مبــــــارک
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Tuesday, December 9, 2008 01:03 AM PST 
Eid Mubarak to all & a word of caution for meat lovers

Celebrate Eid with a side of salad, advise doctors
By Afnan Khan

LAHORE: Doctors have recommended that people refrain from consuming large quantities of meat and eat fruits and vegetables to prevent different kinds of ailments associated with overeating and excessive consumption of meat.

Lahore General Hospital Emergency Ward In-charge Dr Zaheer Iqbal told Daily Times that excess of anything was bad, and the over-consumption of meat was considered an unhealthy practice by most medical practitioners. He said that over-consumption could cause several complications for patients suffering from liver, heart and kidney related ailments. He said that overeating was a natural phenomenon during Eid and numerous patients were brought to hospitals to be treated for over eating-related ailments, adding that diarrhea, vomiting, excess of uric acid, pain in limbs and joints were the most commonly occurring ailments. He suggested that people consume vegetables, fruits and other foods along with meat during the Eid days. The meat of sacrificial animals is considered healthier than the meat that is normally consumed by people, because of its high protein content and superior taste, he added.

Sometimes: However, nutritionist Dr Shehla Javed said the over-consumption of meat would not cause any ailments, adding that food poisoning was not associated with overeating. She said it was usually caused by the consumption of expired and sub-standard food. She said that people should not avoid meat on Eid, as overeating every once-in-a-while was not a cause for concern. However, she said it should not be made a habit due to the long term hazards of overeating.

Dr Shehla said that people should take care with the vegetables, fruits, sacrificial meat and other products they consume, as improper storage and old food could be hazardous for health. She also suggested that people should avoid eating food being sold in the open, as it could be a major cause of food poisoning.

Cooked properly: Mayo Hospital Additional Medical Superintendent (AMS) Dr Majeed Akhtar Chaudhry said that people should take care to properly prepare and cook the meat before consumption. He also said that the meat from sacrificial animals should be washed and drained of blood properly as it could cause health issues. He added that the meat should be frozen soon after the sacrifice to preserve its nutritional value and to avoid a germ-infested environment.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\12\08\story__pg13_2
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Tuesday, December 9, 2008 12:33 AM PST 

Dear CMY Sahib and all the team at LRE. Eid Mubarik to you and your families.
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