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   Visitor
Thursday, December 1, 2011 06:20 PM PST 
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Is any one having Shop on Main Road /Facing Main Road in following Areas and wanted to Rent Out / Sell :

DHA Lahore Main Buleward Road (1~4)

DHA Lahore Phase 3 Y Commercial Area

Gulberg - Siddiq Trade Center

Gulberg near to Hafeez Center

Gulrberg any suitable area

I willing to start new business for Computer / Mobile Sale / Service out let.

Please write here detail with demand / rent

Please also needs bad / positive comments about this business from all readers.
Vistor replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 06:22 PM PST 

Please also need ideas about Investment how much need if some want to earn near to Rs.30,000 per month
Irfan replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 08:57 PM PST 

I have a shop in Madina Centre Lahore near Kalma Chock.

This is newly built Mobile / electroic plaza and perfect for what your business.

The shop is on lower ground floor, feel free to visit the location and email me your rental offer @ irfan778 at hotmail.com
Bulevard Heights replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 05:22 PM PST 

Dear visitor
Bulevard Heights at Main Bulevard is also a good place to start business within next few months. This is a newly built plaza. They plan to hand over the shops at ground and first floor next month.
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   mohammed nawaz
Thursday, December 1, 2011 06:09 PM PST 
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looking plot
:pkf aslam o alakum
i am looking 10 marla in state life phase-1
could you tell me rate and good location thanks
Saeed Rafique replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 08:20 PM PST 

Dear Nawaz

current rate of 10 marla in state life phase 1 is around 20 lacs to 28 Lacs Depending upon location. You can check F-296@ 26 Lac, F-134 @ 24 Lac, G-219@ 20 Lacs

Saeed Rafique
03224333661
Lahore Real Estate
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   mrs sadia
Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:59 PM PST 
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dha ph1 to 5 lahore (5 m or 10 m house)
Ad Type
City
Scheme
For Sale
lahore
dha
aoa. construction of one additional room or servant quarter is allowed on 2nd floor by dha authority is allowed or not in already constructed house.any one plz give guidance
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   Ahmad
Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:28 PM PST 
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Allah have mercy on us
THE RUPEE: dollar at 88.80--The dollar is heading to hit a new high at Rs 89 in the currency market on Wednesday following importers' forward buying to meet the import bills in the coming days, experts said.
boss-sk replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:12 PM PST 

pak govt is behind this.. because they want to attract more importers in international markets...bcz higher the value of dollar as compared to pak rupee less a foreign countrl will pay to buy goods from pakistan.
Tahir replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:25 PM PST 

Boss. what about the impact on property ?
tac replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:54 PM PST 

after devaluation of indian Rupee by 14% in last month and insistance of international donor for pak Rupee devaluation,i think dollar will appreciate to 91 within next 2 months. export competitiveness is one aspect but it would definetely hurt common man. as for as property prices are concerned, for oversees pakistanis with savings in foreign currencies, so we can expect more buyers at prevailing prices but if prices go up then no change.
DHA replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 07:04 PM PST 

It's just panic in the market. There is absolutely no problem with balance of payments right now; in fact Pakistan's current account was in surplus last month. Remittances are growing steeply, exports are also growing due to increase in price of cotton, and oil is in the reasonable range of around 100 dollar per barrel. On top of that, non-essential imports are already down significantly due to lack of demand because of a depressed economy and market sentiment. As long as our brothers abroad keep sending remittances through legal channels to Pakistan, I don't think dollar is going to shoot up. There may be a steady depreciation which has been witnessed throughout the region but I don't think we are going to see the dark days of 1998 or 2007.
Forex replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 12:52 AM PST 

On the contrary, I fear most about the balance of payment crises as the one we faced in 2008. First three months of the financial year have seen consistent current account deficits; infact, first 3 months have breached the target fixed for the year.

Our imports are mostly essential; oil, edible oil, fertilizer, tea etc meaning thereby that these are relatively inelastic. Exports have never kept pace because of various inefficiencies and now major component, cotton based products' prices are down globally. Remittances are a silver lining though crossing 1 billion $ per month.

IMF payments start in Feb 2012 with 1.2 billion $ tranche that we may be able to pay from our reverses, though beyond June 2012, we don't have forex to pay for 3 billion $s to be payed in FY 2012. All that we can hope is to get more loan to payback IMF and markets are starting to sense that right now, which is the reason that $ is appreciating. India is also facing a similar kind of problem though India is in a much better position because of its export mix, reserve composition, quality etc.
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   ZNS
Thursday, December 1, 2011 09:07 AM PST 
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Moving to Pakistan
Need some sincere advice.
I am 40 yrs old, have real estate worth 2.5 crores plus a house in Pakistan. No rental income from real estate as these are all plots. I will mange to save another $100,000 by Q1 2013 inshallah if all goes well :)
I have three kids (small) and planning to move back to Pakistan.
1. Should I start business? If yes, what? Min investment and roi?
2. I plan to find job also.
3. how much money I need to live a decent comfortable life? I am not fan of either big house or a car :)

Any other thoughts/advice from you all is welcome.
Fahad replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 11:13 AM PST 

Do what you are doing overseas and making money. Bring your experience and cash in Pakistan and generate income for yourself as well as it will give work to more people.

If you and your family dont have the desire of living a life style they cant afford than your life will be good no matter where you live. A 3 brdroom house and a Suzuki car will do the job.
ZNS replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 11:24 AM PST 

@Zainn. One hand you are saying I don't have enough money, oth hand you are saying stop showing "off" my wealth :). I am not showing off anything, just being honest and looking for honest opinion.
MS replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 12:08 PM PST 

You are making a right decision! I am in process of doing the same. I don't think that people living in the country understand our frustration being oversees. I don't think brothers living in the country can appreciate love of their homeland unless they move out.

I would first you should concentrate of your children. Where they can live easy to settle and have good schooling.

Second business is tough here so try to find a job for a while before start anything your own.

I don't know how old your kids are so I would say monthly expeses are usually depend on children education. As you know school fees are quite high. My best guess is that you need maintain your family life style. You may going to need to need around one to one and half lakh rupee at least.

Take care and good luck!
AKJ replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 02:05 PM PST 

Mr. ZNS, if u decided 2 move 2 pakistan, no worry abt it, as per my experience u've enough money 2 survive and start business, just purchase
one shop good location and area at least 20by24 feet i think between 50 to 60 lacs u can get, and take any big bakers franchise like Doce, kitchen cousine, cakes & Bakes etc and start business, i think u can earn easily 2 to 3 lacs monthly by paying all charges.
Riz replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:04 PM PST 

Yes thats right the value of homeland known by pakistani expats and non others. Some of my colleagues are from phalestine and i know they dont have passport and they cant be able to travel anywhere. if we are abroad then because of our homeland and our passport. People who get other countries nationalities thats also because of Pakistan and Pakistani Passport without it they will never get other countries nationalities.

For business i think you can buy some shops and start retail business, its really good business or Bakery business.

Regards
Tahir replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:16 PM PST 

Your decision is correct. You won't have any problem as you have enough resources to settle down the way you want. Do not get into joint venture business with any of your friend and relative. Simple life and live happily thereafter.
uae replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:21 PM PST 

My sincere advice to you,
Please never start a business in which you do not have previous experience, never trust the words of people who say that you can start a business with them by putting your money and their expertise. They are expert only in depriving you of your last penny. best option for you is to buy 2 or 3 houses in bahria town or some other good locality and give these on rent. Plus get a job (whatever you are doing abroad). This will definitely make-up for all your expenses and you shall have a peaceful life. Also never ever invest in stock market.
Irfan replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:37 PM PST 

Dear UAE, to benefit ZNS and all, thanks for advise but can you also elobrate more, e.g. you indicated not to do certain thing but have not clariifed why?
I think it will be great if you can also share some of the bad experience you or people you may know had so that we all can beneift instead of just saying do not do it?
AG replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:01 PM PST 

@ZNS

I have done exactly what brother Naseem-Lahore has proposed. The only remaining thing to do is to construct the commercial plaza on my 5 marla commercial plot in Block B of Sector C. I am a retired person & intend to use a shop on the ground floor of my plaza for a small services based business of my own.
If you are a technical person then "A Polytechnic Institute" will also be good for you. Punjab Board of Technical Education Allows opening of a Polytechnic Institute on 1 Kanal Plot. To begin with you hire a premises & start the Institute with Minimum Financial Layout. Once it is a success go for your own building.
Buying small plots (5, 7, 8 or 10 marla), constructing houses on them & selling the same is also a good business in Lahore. The money you have will be enough for this business & you can make 2 to 3 million Rs. per year. You need not to hire your own labour. There are groups who take subcontract for different type of works e.g Plumbing, Electrical, Masonary Works. You need only to manage but, yes, the task needs a lot of effort.
May Allah (SWT) bless you with success.

Regards.
Tahir replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:05 PM PST 

Dear AG : Can u drop your e-mail ID here. Need to discuss about constriction.
AG replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:32 PM PST 

Tahir Bhai it is

Regards
guest replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 09:14 PM PST 

Build houses on the plots you have.. and put them on rent. You can earn handsome amount of money every month without getting into business or job. Also, with every day the worth of those houses will increase.
AG replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 03:50 AM PST 

Zainn Bhai whatever you have pointed out is correct but it is not foolish to invest in Pakistan or Plan to shift to Pakistan for the following reasons.

1. I bought, about a year ago, a 5 marla commercial plot in block B of Sector C of BT Lahore for PRs. 3.3 million sitting here in UAE just by sending an email to BT Lahore. Now this plot is worth PRs. 7.5 million. So the return on investment is not bad.

2. For other things Pak. expatriates have to chose between two of the evils. First evil is the things you have mentioned. The second evil is the fear of loosing our children to the values of the societies we are living in & the possible arise of situations like 9/11, Iran Iraq war, Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, Unrest in Libya & elsewhere in the middle east.

3. There is a serious threat of worldwide recession in general & US and Europe in particular. The very first victims of the recession will be expatriates & discrimination against them will rise further.

4. This is not true that Degrees issued by Right Pakistani Institutions are not Acceptabl in the West or elsewhere.
We should be Thankfull to Pakistan because, if you are capable, Pakistan makes you Doctor, Engineer, Economist, Scientist, IT professional etc for Almost Free. In UK it takes at least 10 years for the Fresh Graduates to pay back the loans they take for their education & they even cannot afford to get married & start their families.

Hatred to Pakistan is not the solution of the problem. The solution lies in "We being honest to ourself".

Regards.
Nadeem replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 06:52 AM PST 

@ MR Zainn, please don't portray bad picture of Pakistan. I don't know where you live, but you need to understand the situation of people living abrad - their love of country, even broken roads look nicer. Yes, if you are living in a below average area then you can talk about the problems you mentioned (I hope you are not in those areas). Based on money what Mr. ZNS has, he can live a very good life in Pakistan with some good investments and without the majority of problems you mentioned. Bahria town, DHA, Askari SD-houes are the options and more places of course.
Tahir replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 12:05 PM PST 

@ MR Zainn
Have you ever seen any national of the world talking about his country the way you talk about your own and that too on a forum that is read far and wide. Yes, Pakistan has lot of problems and so so does every with varying degrees. What are your contributions to solve any of the problem you have cited above. To start with, did you vote to an honest representative in last election ? and What do you plan to do (may it be a smallest thing) for the overall betterment of the society in future ?
Malik M replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 05:41 PM PST 

Dear ZNS
Warm Welcome to you. I am sure you will never regret to your decision of returning back. This country is full of opportunities and on top of everything it gives you honor, sence of ownership, grace that you miss abroad as an expatriate.
I returned back recently after living abroad for 11 years. I am living much much better life than I used to live abroad, although I used to earn there was 10 times higher than what I earning today.
About business, my advise is to stay in 'observer' mode for first 6 months or so before you make decision of which way to go. Then you'll have enough data to make a decsion.
Mansoor.A replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 08:48 PM PST 

Dear ZNS
Me and You in the same boat go ahead face the problems I'm coming after you don't worry no one can eat us in our country after all this is our country........
Wish you best of luck
Mansoor.A
Well Wisher replied on Saturday, December 3, 2011 04:49 AM PST 

Dear Brothers...
What are you scared of, I feel good to know if some are leaving Pakistan some are coming as well.... Problems are everywhere.. here or there.. but the thing is what Islam gave us best is the family institution where we hold each others hand and help him to get out of dip...

Make Decision, Trust Allah, and perform best.. Result is not in your control but be sure whatever is coming in your way is what you deserve... whether you like it or not.. because you dont know Allah knows all..


Regards
khan from canada replied on Monday, December 5, 2011 03:06 PM PST 

Courageous step my ZNS. Only thing that stops me from moving back is kids, their Urdu lanuage ability and schooling standard. Best of luck and I am sure you will do awesome back in Pakistan
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   Dr Shahzad
Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:52 AM PST 
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plot wanted
hELLO EVERYONE ...... I NEED 1 KANAL RESIDENTIAL PLOT ON MAIN 150 FT ROAD IN TIP HOUSING SOCIETY PHASE 1 LAHORE NEAR AUDIT AND ACCOUNTS SOCIETY AND IEP.....is it really safe to invest in this society???sincere and genuine advice will be highly appreciated
Fuad replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 09:44 PM PST 

Dear Brother Shahzad
Purchasing of plots on main bulawards of residensial schemes is always very good idea.The scheme you have mentioned here is TIP HS beside IEP Town.As far the location is concerned its marvolous.It is in the centre of the Valancia IEP Town and Audit and Accounts HS.College road is connected to this HS.Another road is Khaban-Jinnah Its comming straight to TIP via valancia.As per my knowledge TIP is not fully developed HS.Development Work is going on in this HS.They have to developed one Km long part of 150 feet road. After completion of this part Khaban-Jinnah will be connected to Deffence Road via Valancia,TIP and IEP .
Fuad replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 09:49 PM PST 

Dear Brother Shahzad
Purchasing of plots on main bulawards of residensial schemes is always very good idea.The scheme you have mentioned here is TIP HS beside IEP Town.As far the location is concerned its marvolous.It is in the centre of the Valancia IEP Town and Audit and Accounts HS.College road is connected to this HS.Another road is Khaban-Jinnah Its comming straight to TIP via valancia.As per my knowledge TIP is not fully developed HS.Development Work is going on in this HS.They have to developed one Km long part of 150 feet road. After completion of this part Khaban-Jinnah will be connected to Deffence Road via Valancia,TIP and IEP .
shehroz replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 10:40 PM PST 

i have visited TIP only 25% sewerage job is completed rest is true for the society
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   Cheema
Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:45 AM PST 
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help needed
aoa. is anyone interested in selling his/her corner residential plot area 10 marlas near choti market amd masjid.....if yes then leave your contact no and if possible i would give entire money lump sum............
cheema replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:47 AM PST 

10 marlas house will also be acceptable near choti market in shadman colony lahore
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   Mazhar
Thursday, December 1, 2011 04:22 AM PST 
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Dear Adil
I need a bit of help and advice from you. I am living in UK and planning to move back to Pakistan. I am planning to build a 10 marla house. I have some money now. What would you advise shall I buy 2 x 10 marla plots one for construction and one for investment or shall I buy a 5 marla commercial. I plan to buy both in next few months but at present I would have money for either one of those, either one commercial or 2 residential.
Secondly I want to buy the plot without visiting Pakistan, can you tell me which documents would be needed.
If you have any plots kindly let me know, but for me your advice is prime, as I have been a follower of your website for past year.
Thanks and Allah Hafiz
Dr. Mazhar
PS: I don't want to buy in sector D at all.
Helper replied on Saturday, December 3, 2011 04:53 AM PST 

contact +
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   Abdul Aziz Khan
Thursday, December 1, 2011 02:25 AM PST 
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Plot wanted at Naval Anchorage
Ad Type
City
Scheme
Size
Wanted
Islamabad
Naval Anchorage
500
I am looking for one residential plot having measurement of 500 yards and one Commercial plot at Naval Anchorage housing Society. Please contact me at

Thanks

Abdul Aziz Khan
Toronto
malik zulfiqar ali awan replied on Tuesday, December 6, 2011 12:35 AM PST 

i have some plots according to your demand......plz contact me on this no........hussain builders and property adviser..pakistan town islamabad.....
m ali replied on Monday, April 8, 2013 07:29 PM PST 

I have my own plot ( corner ) if u r interested u may send me mail on .
Regards
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   Haroon
Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:56 AM PST 
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I bought a shop in basment of Raja Centre Kasur a log time ago. The management issued me receipts but did not registered the shop in my name. Possession was given to me.
Have any body any Idea whether the shop is saleable and what is its price?
Expecting response from brothers having knowledge of the issue.;Regards
Haroon
Aamir replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 02:15 AM PST 

A local dealer will tell u the price. However I can confirm this much that Legally the shop can sold out based on your sale deed agreement, possession certificate and NDC of the developer.
Kasur replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:07 PM PST 

you can contact this man.
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   Shahzad
Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:42 AM PST 
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New Sector E in Bahria Town Lahore
I have talked with some officials of Bahria Town Lahore. They told me that they are going to launch new sector E besides Tulip and Janiper block in coming February March 2012. Have someone heard this news.Bahria is going to offer 10 marla plots on installments in sector E.
INFO replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 02:16 AM PST 

COMING BAHRIA SECTOR E END OF FEBRUARY 2012.

TRUE
OCS replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:52 AM PST 

Yes I've also heard the same news. Market of Bahria is going good these days but once a new sector is launched, there will be a lot of plots in the market. This may effect the current good market!
info 2 replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 12:43 AM PST 

the 10 marlas in Sector E will be launched for 25 lacs with a 2.5 year installment plan.
Forex replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 01:00 AM PST 

Are commercial going to be launched and if yes, any info on what prices will commercial 5, 6 and 8 marla be launched and what will be the installment plan? Thanks.
zaheer ahmed replied on Monday, January 30, 2012 12:04 AM PST 

plz tel me commercial plots detail.their detail and price.how we can receive these.any draw or confirm plots.tel on no.
Adeel replied on Friday, March 2, 2012 03:28 AM PST 

Dear Sir

Kindly advise me for booking in Sector E and about Future Prices all behria
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   Asif
Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:07 AM PST 
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Dear all,

Can anybody tell me the actual status of Boulevard Heights and Jeff Heights in Gulberg, Lahore. I have purchased one shop in BH on LG,size 80 SFT and one shop size 90 SFT in Jeff H. since long time but do not know the status. Is Jeff H. LG opening shops or not and what is the rent there or sale price presently. What about the B.heights did they have finished LG shops or still in process.
Thanks for updating the current situation. If I want to sell both shops what is the price to get.
Regards
Malik M replied on Friday, December 2, 2011 05:46 PM PST 

Asif bhai
I visted Bulevard Heights around a month ago. Finishing work at ground and LG ongoing at high pace. Guys in office told me that by Dec end, they wil start handing over G and LG.
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   jk
Thursday, December 1, 2011 12:58 AM PST 
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DHA-9 Fatual Facts
Dear LRE :flg
We notice hype in the price of DHA-9 file last week and in less then a week this got reversed

May I know how many DHA-9 files got transferred last week :h
This will help for common man to know how many buyers can drag the market
Aamir replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:54 AM PST 

The data you are seeking will add nothing to your knowledge and will only lead you to miscalculation .
Because, in an artificial hype most of the traded files remain as open files and do not get transferred in DHA office, as such. These files are traded on stamp paper for over a short period of time (appox one Week) sometimes only on biana but mostly on full payment.
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   Aamir
Thursday, December 1, 2011 12:20 AM PST 
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Information required : Construction Company/Developer in Lahore
I need to know about any construction company/developer in Lahore that constructs houses on installment plan
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   MAK
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:22 PM PST 
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PRICE EVALUATION
Dear Salman and LRE

can you please tell me the worth of 289-Q ph 7. thanks
Lahore Real Est replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:08 PM PST 

Dear MAK Sahib Current market worth of Q 289 is around 48 to 49 Lacs.




Lahore Real Est
03004009967
Lahore Real Estate
MAK replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 08:40 PM PST 

Thanks alot Salman.
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   Shoaib
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:50 PM PST 
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REQUIRED HOUSE ON RENT AT JOHAR TOWN , WAPDA TOWN

REQUIREMENT
5 OR TEN MARLA LOWER PORTION

TWO BED / DRAWING / GRAGE



cONTACT
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   Salman
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:38 PM PST 
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Any update on DHA phase 8 Parkview files ballot. I have one 10Marla file.
Ms replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 03:11 PM PST 

@ Salman

Yesterday i went to DHA Office and asked about Parkview Files Ballot. But they said that they cant give me any time frame.
Tahir replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 05:01 PM PST 

Balloting requires town planning.

Town planning requires acquisition and consolidation of as much land as the number of sizes of plots mentioned on files and some additional land for commercials/schools/parks etc.

As of now, DHA is in process of consolidating land across the road for Park View files and 80% job is done.
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   ffffffff
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:32 PM PST 
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I need 10 Marla Bahria Overseas Phase 2. Whats the price ?
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   kamal
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:26 PM PST 
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Can any body confirm that DHA 7 some blocks are going to be handed over in dec-11
Lahore Real Est replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:53 PM PST 

Dear Kamal Sahib , In DHA phase 7 Q,R,S,T and U block are fully developed DHA can announce possession in these blocks anytime in near future.But Entire possession of DHA phase 7 is expected by the end Dec 2012.

Lahore Real Est
03004009967
Lahore Real Estate
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   MISBAH
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 09:31 PM PST 
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MR SALMAN
AS U MENTIONED 2K PLOTS IN DHA8 ARE 40 -60...I HAVE APLOT IN PHSE 7 Y.....CAN I SELL AND BUY 2K IN PHASE 8...I AM IN USA ...PLS GIVE ALL DETAILS
Lahore Real Est replied on Thursday, December 1, 2011 01:36 PM PST 

Misbah Sahib or Sahiba,

I mentioned in post # 56458 the 2 Kanal plots @ 40 to 60 lacs own / profit on original booking in proper phase 8 ,where Mr.J wanted 2 kanal plot after 10 years for house construction.Phase 8 2 Kanal plots are on installments. DHA recently booked a new 2 kanal plots @ 160 lacs. You have to pay this amountin 8 installments on quarterly basis. Mr.Anyone rightly said it will be handed over for possession after 4 to 5 years..
Lahore Real Est
03004009967
Lahore Real Estate
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