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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 07:42 PM PST 
LHC extends stay against recovery of commercial fee by LDA

LHC extends stay against recovery of commercialisation fee by LDA

LAHORE: Justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed of the Lahore High Court (LHC), on Wednesday, extended till first week of July a stay against recovery of commercialisation/conversion fee by Lahore Development Authority (LDA). The judge also postponed the hearing as the LDA counsel did not appear in court on time. The judge was hearing a petition filed by Faiz Ali and others challenging the levy of this fee. The petitioners’ counsel, Muhammad Azhar Siddique, submitted that under section 23 and 28 of the LDA Act of 1975, the authority had the power of imposing the fee but in the petitioners’ case, the Punjab Housing and Urban Development through the LDA Land Use (Classification, Reclassification, and Redevelopment) Rules 2009 imposed the conversion fee which was not permitted under the law. He said that the LDA Act of 1975 only provided for the authority to charge fees for the betterment, etc, of an area and it had no authority to declare an area commercial and claim fees on this account. The counsel said the petitioners had inherited a 50-year old house in Gulberg, which was under residential use of four families. However, in order to earn a modest living, they also had a small personal business in a part of the house. He said the petitioners had been regularly paying the annual commercialisation fee to the LDA for the whole of the property, which was increased more than seven times to their surprise last year. The counsel said that paying the fee was now out of question for the petitioners in view of the poor condition and limited scope of business. He contended that in order to clear their liabilities to the LDA the petitioners had to either take loan or sell the property, which they could not do in view of the fact that a suit for partition of the property was pending before the court. Siddique argued that by imposing the fee in question the petitioners were being denied their fundamental rights available under article 9, 16, 23, 24 and 25 of the constitution, which did not allow imposition of the fee in question. Also, if the fee was allowed it would make Article 8 redundant. Siddique said that the objective of the fees was to discourage small businessmen and help big businessmen and plaza owners to create their monopoly. He added that due to the wrong polices of public functionaries, the people were suffering and the judiciary was also affected. He asserted that if bureaucracy mends its ways and introduces a public welfare system, the backlog of cases in courts would definitely reduce. He requested to set aside the fees issue. Earlier, the LDA’s counsel, Salman Siddiqui, had informed that rules had been made with regards to commercialisation fee, which were pending for approval before Housing and Physical Planning Departmen
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 07:40 PM PST 
Islamabad Property News: NIEECHS Rs 630 million scam

Islamabad Property News: NIEECHS Rs 630 million scam

ICT admin serves notices on executive body to recover 140 kanals land

* Two property dealers instructed to deposit Rs 69 million in society’s account within 15 days

* Inquiry confirms that 140 kanals land was sold in violation of housing societies rules

By Ikram Junaidi

ISLAMABAD: An inquiry regarding Rs 630 million corruption and violation of laws in National Institute of Electronics Employees Cooperative Housing Society (NIEECHS) has been completed that confirmed that 140 kanals of land was sold to some persons in clear violation of Cooperative Housing Societies Rules 1927 and byelaws of the society.

Inquiry also confirmed that Rs 69 million were deposited in the bank accounts of two persons through pay orders, internal transfers and cheques.

Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT) administration has sent notices to nine members of NIEECHS managing committee to recover the land and another notice has been sent to Malik Saeed Akhtar and Gul Nawaz who received Rs 69 million during deal, to deposit the amount in the accounts of society otherwise First Information Reports (FIRs) will be initiated against all persons.

Daily Times published a report on May 24 that 23 years ago NIEECHS purchased 212 kanals of land in Mouza Naugazi, Fateh Jang Road but later on management decided to grab the land with the alleged cooperation of land mafia. General body meeting of the society was called and it was proposed to move NIEECHS land on exchange basis. Deputy Registrar, Islamabad, also attended that meeting. The executive committee proposed that Mouza Naugazi land will be exchanged with land in Mouza Mughal Parri. A deal was struck with M/s Islamabad Corporation in this regard but in the end M/s Islamabad Corporation transferred scattered land near Radio Pakistan Rawat ignoring that the value of that land was less. It was further mentioned that agreement was only for exchange of land but NIEECHS sold 60 kanals of land to Arif Javed Rao son of Bashir Ahmed Rao for Rs 19.5 million. Although price of land was showed less in documents to steal tax but even then that amount was never deposited in society’s account. It was also mentioned in the news that Circle Registrar was informed about it but he did not bother to take action.

Islamabad Deputy Commissioner Amer Ali Ahmed took a notice of that news report and instructed the circle registrar to proceed under section 43 of Cooperative Housing Societies Act 1925. After completion of inquiry a letter No 1371/CR/ICT/B has been sent to President NIEECHS Muhammad Aslam, Vice President Muhammad Maqbool Minhas, Secretary Javed Altaf Sheikh, Treasurer Fazal Hussain and executive members Saeedur Rehman, Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Mazhar Khan, Muhammad Sadiq Malik and Gul Hayat Khan in which they were informed that as per inquiry report, it has revealed that they were permitted by the General Body Meeting of the Society held on November 24, 2007 and subsequently by the department to only exchange land of society at Mauza Naugazi to another suitable place but without any authority, they sold 140 kanals land of the society in connivance with M/s Islamabad Corporation/ other dealers, which was serious irregularity and embezzlement on their part. They were directed strictly to recover the society’s land sold in open market and get it transferred back in the name of society within period of 15 days, otherwise strict action including registration of FIR shall be initiated against them and M/s Islamabad Corporation/ other dealers under Cooperative Societies Act 1925, Cooperative Societies Rules, 1927 and Byelaws of the Society.

An other letter No 1370/CR/ICT/B has been sent to two property dealers Malik Saeed Akhtar and Gul Nawaz that over Rs 69 million were deposited in their accounts through internal transfer, in cash, cheques and pay order number 199803, 199805, 546629, 74249, 546641, 546647, 546650, 408801, 408809, 408810, 408811, 408813, 408814, 408825 and cheque number 408824. Both persons are also instructed to deposit the amount of Rs 6,90,20,000 in the account of NIEECHS within period of 15 days, otherwise strict action including registration of FIR shall be initiated against them under Cooperative Societies Act 1925, Cooperative Societies Rules, 1927 and Byelaws of the Society.

pak.lover replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:40 AM PST 

sir
in our countrey system is like this..

if murder is in karachi from ranger then all are against ranger.
if murder is in punjab in fake police encounter then no one speaks as ther is Govt of mian sahiban there in punjab ..

ther is no doubt in this thing that extra judicial killing is wrong wether in punjab or in sindh but the question is then what should be method of justice as the courts even free the people nominated in sri lankan cricket
team attack...

also why then u give authority to ranger to kill any one if or she break law>.........
if u will give these powers then these things will happen .

we all know that from the day when abbotabad incident happened all Nato and USA is against us as our only and lonely insitution pak army showed some courage and refused to do more...

ultimately USA has to do maximum to give bad name pak army in minds of pak people as this was the only institution who was having some respect ..
why we forget the services of pak army in last year flood,earthquick and so many other times...
but
the problem is this that some of our political parties,their leadership ,some media channel and some big name in journalism are helping USA and helping their agenda by creating bad image of pak army in their talk shows and channels..
does have any seen BBC or CNN doing like this agsint USA or Uk ..???

now this is our test that we have to chooose that we have to help these people who are asking for justice only by words while we all see their character...these people put tax on common paople while they themselve never pay a pennny...similarly a person on motorbyce few years agao is now on new brand cars while he is just a journalist,neither bill gates nor smith....

Asim replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 06:10 PM PST 

Dear Pak.lover
BBC or CNN not talking against their army because their Army doing their own job. They are loyal to the Government and obey Government. But our Army since begining, they always rule which is not their job. Their agency always work to humiliate politicians. I could not understand why we fogot that in Pakistan whole life, the Army has ruled. and still we praising them. Please let army do their own job and dont try to understand that what are they doing, its correct and their job. let them concentrate on border. which they forgot. I think we all know that a few year earlier, if one child in the village or road see a pak fauj juwan, he was shouting Pak Fauj Zinda bad and no one talk a single word against army. But now if one child see army men, he will run away to their house. No respect, no love at all and army losing its honour due to rule for 60 years.
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 07:32 PM PST 
BALLET

Dear CMY

Pls advise the aprox time factor for the ballet of phase five extention,Also pls advise the prospects and future accordingly.

CMY replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 04:08 PM PST 

No official date is announced yet by
DHA Lahore. Please call DHA Lahore directly at to ask for ballot dates.

Lahore123 replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 06:39 PM PST 

Only ALLAH knows.DHA should give special attention to this phase.Its now too much delay in it.
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 07:09 PM PST 
Two Questions related to property

Hi guyz,

I have two questions
1. What is the 1K plot rate in AZAM Gardens (Multan Road)
2. What is current (normal) construction cost, including material (say covered area 3000 Square feet, China tiles, booty sina in drawing room and TV launch and Tavera in Garage & Bed rooms, red brikes outside the house, and normal other stuff) I believe it comes under B Class construction.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

true pakistani replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 08:20 PM PST 

waqas sahib
1- there r different rates in azam gardens pls mention block and plot no,
2- how do u know the construction u stated comes into "B" class

Saeed Chaudhry replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 08:44 PM PST 

Dear Waqar

I donot know the present situation but after incident of 'Ojeri Camp' at Rawalpindi, Govt. banned construction in Azam Garden being close to similar camp so please confirm before buying.

shahid khan replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:22 PM PST 

saeed ch
he is asking azam garden lahore not pindi

Saeed Chaudhry replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 01:12 AM PST 

Dear Shahid Khan
I am referring about same Azam Garden, Lahore where new construction was banned as it is also close to explosive depot on the other side of Multan Road. May be Govt has lifted ban now

Waqar replied on Friday, June 17, 2011 12:49 AM PST 

Thanks everyone for the positive response :)

@true pakistani
1) I am just look right now, if you can quote minimum-max, thanks again
2) No, i don't if i m wrong somewhere i am always happy to be corrected, also looking for the rates from a reputed builder

@Saeed

So far i have seen lots of construction been happening in Azam Garden (still don't know inside news)

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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:28 PM PST 
Islamabad Property News: Benazir Airport Islamabad Land Scandal

Islamabad Property News: Benazir Airport Islamabad Land Scandal
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:24 PM PST 
dha phase 7 from 1391 to 1594

Dear CMY
good day
Thanks for your advise to switch the plot but at this moment do not have funds to do so
Please let me know the development status for Z2 area.In your utube videos you did not post Z block
kindly upload Z 2 video as well




CMY replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:18 AM PST

Sorry for late answer cause now I mostly access internet during office working hours.

Z1391 was worth 29-30 lacs.
Z1594 is worth 29-30 lacs


Your plot is on one of the worst possible location in all phases of DHA.


Please consider switching to to a better location plot asap.

Ch Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )

03224009967

CMY replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:30 PM PST 

I don't think Z2 is under development yet. When they will start development there I will upload a video for you.
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:23 PM PST 
Lahore Property News: Illegal plazas in Lahore

<<< Illegal plazas in Lahore
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:24 AM PST 
PAEC Chattar Rawalpindi

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
For Sale
R Pindi
Chattar
1
A & C
plot
1 Kanal
I have 2 plot of onr kanal each in Block A & C in Atomic Energy Commission Chattar scheme. I want to sale them, All dues are cleared.
interested, please contact on e mail:

Mob: (Mr. Sajjad)

chatter flop replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:20 AM PST 

chatter is flop .. with cse in court for a fraud of 5 billion rupees. so stay away from that atleast.

Although PAEC rawat society is well. established. nice place to live
prices are in control now but will rise in6 months because DHA is purchasing it

babar replied on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 02:00 AM PST 

if u want sale cntect me (()

babar replied on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 02:06 AM PST 

if u want sale contect me


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ashif replied on Friday, July 20, 2012 07:23 PM PST 

can u give me ur
contact numbers both land line & cell. This is related to PAEC society Chattar..Mine is
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 03:41 AM PST 
I-11 status

aoa

kindly update about the status of sector I-11.. it seems the sector is buried by CDA

:h :h
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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:37 AM PST 
Bricks - Refer post 53758

Thanks for all who contributed to the post 53758. I would request to know who are the suppliers of best quality Bricks in Rawalpindi / Islamabad area, and rates if possible, I am going to start my house construction very soon and will use bricks for masonary.

Thanks in advance.
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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 08:00 PM PST 
Five Marla Commercial Plaza For Sale

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Block
Plot
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
Lahore
Faisal Town Lahore
D
425
8500000
Facing Park
Features Of Commercial Plaza:
*Mid Of The Main Market
*Facing Park
*Central Commercial Area
*Rental Income Rs. 30,000
*Two Shops (Rent Out)
*One Big Hall (Rent Out to Ladies Salon)
*First Floor Flat (Rent Out)
*Direct Deal To Owner
*Ideal Option For Investment
*Near To Gourmet Bakers & Restaurant
*Facing Main Road
Direct Approach From Akbar Chowk

:forsale: :forsale:

nadeem Khawaja replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:57 PM PST 

pls
contact or

Intersted replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 01:54 AM PST 

Dear Mian Sahab,

Since I live in nearby area would be interested in the property but ROI (return on investment) is not justified. 30K on 85 lacs does not make any healthy combination. The minimum benchmark is 6 to 8% on rental income on principal amount.

Any thoughts please discuss on
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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 07:05 PM PST 
Bahria Town Sector D Lahore Booking Now Open

Bahria Town Sector D Lahore Available on Installments

5 Marla = 2000 Plots = Rs 1230000
10 Marla = 350 Plots = Rs 2130000
1 Kanal = 150 Plots = Rs 4030000

Bahria Town Lahore Sector D booking forms are available at Lahore Real Estate office at 98-Y Commercial Defence Phase 3, Defence Lahore .

Bahria Town Sector D Lahore will be located next to Bahria town sector C and NFC Lahore phase 2 ( Where old Rose block was located)

More info about down payments and installments schedule please contact Mr Adil Saeed of Lahore Real Estate at 03224009766 for further details.

Tags: Bahria Town Sector D Lahore , Bahria Town Lahore Sector D Booking Forms, Bahria Town Lahore Sector D on Installments, Bahria Town Lahore Sector D application Form, Bahria Town Lahore Sector D Ballot Results, Bahria Town Lahore Sector D Map, Bahria Town Lahore Sector D Location Map,

invester replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:51 PM PST 

y bahria town is not marketing sector D

Lahori replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:10 AM PST 

Where can one find the
location map

Mohsin replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:25 AM PST 

So this sector is dedicated to 5 marla plots in maximum!

Dubai Investor replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 02:53 AM PST 

Is this price includes development charges?
what is procedure to buy from abroad?
Map available?
What is payment plan?

No news add so far available from bahria what they are not advertizing/marketing it by themself?

LRE Hot Topics replied on Sunday, June 19, 2011 05:08 PM PST 

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Bahria Town Sector D Laho replied on Friday, July 8, 2011 03:37 AM PST 

Bahria Town Sector D Lahore
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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 04:34 PM PST 
looking for property

Ad Type
City
Scheme
For Sale
lahore
eden gardens
dear viewers and mr cmy

i lives in london and wishes to invest in lahore. i did contact some pakistni families here and they visited recently lahore and bought houses in eden gardens. they advised me better to buy house in eden gardens due to its excellent location and approach.i also discussed the matter with my brother in law and he also suggest me it is a good place to live in future.i also did contact eden but the project has already been sold out.so anyone who wish to sell his house in any category from 5 marla to one kanal, must receive full amount in one day if deal finialised. only serious and willing landlord/landlady should contact on my email or either cell no if convinient. kind regards

eden effecty replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:54 PM PST 

dear. why u are going to play gamble with eden. the quality and reputaion of the company is bad. send somebody to eden lane vilas and then u wil get the quality report. if stil intrested then buy only on ground property may be canal vilas.and if u can wait long time then go ahead

eden effected replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:10 PM PST 

good luck dear. my mail is

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 03:09 PM PST 
Authentic Opinion of a Lawer needed

Can anybody quote any rental laws or bylaws to the effect of following statement if there exists any such thing as the rental laws. I understand that this issue has been discussed by many in last few days. But there has been no authentic answer with any reference. Only individual opinions which may be different from landlord to landlord and from tenant to tenant. Many people say landlord should paint every 3 years. It seems there is some legal base of that claim and duration but where is the reference to show the same to landlord.

Sultan Habib replied on Saturday, June 11, 2011 08:31 PM PST

Landlord is responsible tp paint,polish a rented house once in three years.

JS replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 05:35 PM PST 

I fail to understand that why this 'THURTHALLY' is being created on this forum about a very simple issue, why don,t you settle this matter at the time of agreement !!!!!!

Lawyer replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 01:18 PM PST 

Tenant, please maintain good relation with your landlord instead of becoming a typical uneducated tenant. If you prove yourself to be a good tenent, I assure, you will not face any such problems as you are now discussing time and again. My advise is to resolve and stay with peace otherwise find an alternative place for renting. Let me tell you there is no such law for which you are searching. Wish you best of luck

shareef_tenant replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 02:29 PM PST 

@Tenant
With the amount of time and energy you are wasting posting such questions here, you could instead just buy couple of buckets of distemper and paint the house yourself. It is not very costly and will do you good.
It is only wise to spend time on something according to its worth.

Zahid Ali replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:56 PM PST 

Dear JS: This matter cannot be at the time of agreement because usually the agreement for only 11months and we can not settle an issue which doesnt fall in the duration of agreement

Dear Lawyer: U r right that one should maintain gud relation with the landlord but my relation with landlord are excellent.It is because of money matter that landlord doesnt want to change his position.Can u quote any law in favour of tenant of landlord.

Dear Shareef:To paint my house, it is not the question of 2 buckets of distemper.The estimated amount is 50,000Rs.any matter resolved amicably but if matter is not going to resolve then how to resolve the matter.I mean we need some justification by law, norms, or whatever is going on in the society nowdays.

Amjad replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 07:38 PM PST 

Mr. Zahid , people on this forum are fed up with your paint issue, if you cannot paint yourself then ask for financal help on this forum and write your bank account no. so people could help you.

MAS replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 02:20 PM PST 

I don't know of any Pakistani laws in this respect. Responsibility of painting should be defined in the rental agreement. Since you did not include the painting clause in your agreement you will have to negotiate it now with your landlord. Usually negotiations are successful when both parties are willing to give up something, so may be a 50-50 cost sharing basis will work for you and your landlord.

In countries with well defined laws it is the landlord's responsibility. If international references can help you in negotiating with your landlord you might want to check the following links:

http://alri.org/fmf/tools/tool38.html

This site clearly mentions: "Painting the walls is the landlord's responsibility. And if something is wrong with the wall, the landlord should fix it. The landlord must pay to paint the inside and the outside of the house."

Here is another site worth looking at:

http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/landlordbook/catenant.pdf

Go to page number 60 in this pdf document. Basically it says that after 3 years of previous painting the landlord bears 100% cost of painting, but if painting becomes necessary before 3 years than the tenant would share the cost based on the amount of time passed since last painting. So if 1 year is left for completing the 3 year period then the tenant will pay one third of the cost, if 1.5 years are left then tenant will pay half the cost etc.

MAS replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 02:31 PM PST 

Even if your rental contract is of 11 months it should still have a clause saying something like: "Upon completion of three years since last painting of the house the landlord shall repaint the house".

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 01:58 PM PST 
Lahore Real Estate is Hiring New Staff

Lahore Real Estate is looking for new paid trainees. A person must have some basic computer operation skills and if living close to DHA Lahore or have own transport it will be a plus. We will like to train really needy but intelligent young persons. This is a great field to make good living without any money investment. No shafarash is needed but if selected you are required to provide 3 references. We want to have more educated person in Lahore Real Estate market so retired military officer that wish to enter the real estate market are also welcomed for non paid training in Lahore property market by Lahore Real Estate.


Lahore Real Estate is also looking for experienced estate agents. You must have min 3 years experience in your society or phase dealing. We offer the best compensation package for hard working & honest dealers in Lahore property market.



Ch Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
03224009967

Adnan replied on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 05:27 PM PST 

AOA,

Is it possible par time. I am very much interested in learning property business. I have my conveyance and i am free till 12:00 am. Also Saturday and Sunday full day available. I am a computer graduate. Looking forward to hear from you.

CMY replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:37 PM PST 

I am sorry we are looking for people for full time jobs. This job needs full time focus and dedication. I myself answer calls at 2 am if some one call my phone by mistake.

i need it replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 02:48 PM PST 

@cmy , sir im one of old visitor of ur site and participated in many discusions and my own analysis in past here but due to some reasons im silent now , im in crisis these days and want to rise back again plz i need ur support , and looking to join u . thx

Assad replied on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 08:43 PM PST 

Amazing communication skills CMY :)

>I myself answer calls at 2 am if some one call my phone by mistake.

Saeed Chaudhry replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 01:18 AM PST 

Dear CMY & Assad Sahib

It means great people have many habits common
Regards

Ehtesham ulhaq replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 06:08 AM PST 

CMY kiya mujhe bhi nokri milay gee? I am in Riyadh.

Ehtesham ulhaq replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 06:11 AM PST 

Sorry, please correct.
CMY Sahab Kiya mujhe bhi nokri milay gee? I am in Riyadh, Kahaen to chorr ke aa jaoon.

ahmed replied on Thursday, June 16, 2011 01:47 PM PST 

Please dont make fun, CMY is creating jobs.
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