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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:17 PM PST 

Dear All

I was born in mid 1970s and I saw my childhood during early / mid 80s. I still remember at that time, we used to wait anxiously for 14 Aug to celeberate Independence day. I belonged to a middle class family so did not have the luxury to have long pocket - at times, I didn't even have the money to buy a chewingum - still, me and millions of children like me, used to save their pockey money to buy Pakistani Flags and ghandian, just to celebrate 14 Aug.

I still remember the National songs aired on PTV used to excite us a lot - who can forget the songs like:

- Watan ki mitti gawaah rehna (Nayyra Noor)
- Yeh Watan Tumhara Hai, tum ho paban iske (Mehdi Hassan)
- Khayaal Rakhna (Alamgir, Benjamin Sisters)
- and so on...

I remember at that time, I did not have the money nor the qualification - did not even know how to drive motorbike or car...BUT my country treated me with its best - my country helped me to gain qualification through ordinary govt. schools by paying nominal fee. I acquired higher qualification through govt. universities and then I found my way to countries abroad.

I started living outside Pakistan, managed to get a luxurious life - got tremendous experience and exposure about economic and financial myths...at the same time, my country went through its most difficult time in history, simply because this country was generous enough to accomodate every one including those corrupt politicians and military leadership. The country allowed them to suck its blood and eat its meat by all means and never complained.

Now when I have become a "qualified and matured" person and country needs my support, I am evaluating whether or not it is safe to invest in Pakistan? Whether or not I should return back to Pakistan simply because there is loadshedding? I am happy to tell others that Pakistan is a difficult country, but I never had the courage to tell them this country had helped me when I did not even know how to turn on a computer.

Is this attitude acceptable? How will the nature forgive me if I ignore my country and don't return what it deserves? A country is superior than parents - will we accept to ignore our parents when they need us? and if we do, how will the society call us? (I don't want to mention that word).

All, let us take a step forward. Please do something for this country as this is the ONLY source of our recognition around the world.

Overseas Pakistanis, please ignore what "Financial Times" forecasts about our country - we have proved in the past that we can always surprise others with our skills, let's do it again. If we can help our country regain its footing, we will emerge as the strongest, most proud nation in the world.

Let's do that and insha ALLAH, ALLAH will help us.

An ordinary Pakistani.

Javaid

Riz Khan replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:55 PM PST 

Dear Javaid,

Its true we Pakistanies are thankless people. I live abroad as well and let me tell u all that "Indians they are so patriotic that always project their country as the leading economy they never tell negative points. And they truely hate pakistanies and they always try to create problems for pakistanies. Even Indian muslims they are the worst then Hindues for Pakistanies. I intevied Pakistani and mostly they start abusing Pakistan that that shit situation and that worst situation thats why we need job.........Its very sad ... i recently invested my all of savings in Pak ........ Let me tell you "Jews say invest in property during war situation you will be filthy rich" Love Pakistan and Invest in Pakistan.

AQ replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:56 PM PST 

Sohni Dharti Allah Rakhey Qadam Qadam Aabad Tujhey. Inshallah this phase will be over, Pakistan will stay for ever. It is test time, we are bad no doubt but still not worst then billion of others. Allah will protect us, keep faith. except leadership, we are not that bad

Salman replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 02:34 PM PST 

I am with you Javaid and I have the same feelings.

As Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what You can do for your Country"

Pakistan needs us the most at these trying times. We must do whatever we can to support it, be it in the shape of offering our skillset or financially.

Please, please save your country.

friend replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 04:59 PM PST 

Lenhty lengthy speeches, briefing the problems country is facing, ever try to come up with solution ?.
Come on kiddos grow up.
Bring up solution even if its absurd, and if some one feels its absurd and has loop holes, that person should come up with some !dea and so on,we should only criticise any one if we are coming up with !deas to bring change.

Lets start it out with Economy. how to stop inflation and all that ?

Guest replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 05:09 PM PST 

Salam,
We have already started to send extra 500 dollars per month to our families in Pakistani bank accounts to bring foreign excahnge in Pakistan.
InshaAllah we will bring Pakistan out of the curretn situation. Thanks to Allah(swt), Invest as much as you can in Pakistan.

/Salam

hafeez replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 06:23 PM PST 

This is the real saga of Pakistan. The sitution is attributed to our deeds. we are more talkative and less actions. The Pakistan doomed into dust in 1971 (but we do not admit) and is on the verge of the same situation - due to our deeds. To whom u will blame everybody including me and u - the clergy, the bureacracy, the politicians, the military the judiciary - these categories had made bandar bant of Paksitan. most commentators have travelled extanxively - and Pakistan was a beautiful country in the world.

Javaid replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 06:26 PM PST 

Dear CS

I agree with you that patriotism can't be measure based on your
location or where you live. You are right - Pakistanis living abroad are one of the key strengths of this country - my point was, if a Pakistani wants to come back, he is forced to change his mind by his family, friends and what not. He has been told that the country has become very dangerous and you should stay away from it. I was targeting this approach / mindset only. The country will only suffer more if Pakistanis start fleeing the country without returning back.

Second point regarding investment - every person has the right to earn profit through carefully evaluated investment options. However, if ALLAH has already given you sufficient (I know it is difficult to say that I got sufficient from ALLAH), then try to invest in Pakistan - be it a property or any other thing - or try to engage in a busines that would help country in any form - I know many people living abroad who prefer to engage with a supplier in China or Bangladesh or even India simply because it lowers their risk (or may be mindset only) - if we are so concious about dealing with Pakistan back home, how can a foreign investor every invest anything?

So, I don't think that I was questioning the patriotism of those living abroad, just wanted to highlight that please don't forget Pakistan - if you hear any -ve comment made by your non-Pakistani colleague, dont just leave with a "courtesy" smile - try to defend your country to your level best.

God bless you all.

WatchList Canada replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 07:17 PM PST 

@ Javaid, please do not try to play with the emotions of overseas Pakistanis who earn money with great effort. It seems to me you have never lived abroad and living somewhere near DHA and running a Real Estate Agency, otherwise, you would never make such statements.

I would prefer to do a safe investment abroad in this situation. No point of investing in Pakistan at this point. My guess is some big names in Real Estate have various investments on Biyanas and playing this emotions game.

It's my request to everybody Please be careful in investing in property market or any other business in Pakistan at present. Wait and see once there is credible leadership in power with some sense of security.

Salman replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 07:18 PM PST 

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNTIL WE PUT PAKISTAN FIRST AND FOREMOST, BEYOND OUR BARADARI, BEYOND OUR RELATIONS, AND BEYOND OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS.... YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU AT THIS MOMENT; PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CONTRIBUTE IN WHICHEVER FORM YOU CAN.

CS replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:14 PM PST 

Dear Javed,
In that sense u r right . Just few minutes back i had a skype talk with my Sister in Pakistan. She was saying to be there n settle ur self in abroad, and was giving examples; how people sold there business and got immigration to US, UK, Canada.. etc etc...
Furthermore, if i talk to any of my frnd back in Pakistan, they always says " Yaha kia para ha bla bla....
In such scenario, how can we develop courage to go back :(

Ahmed replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:32 PM PST 

I am crying Javed!!! Allah (SW) save our Pakistan!!! Ameen!!!

Javaid replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:43 PM PST 

Dear WatchList Canada

I am so happy to realize that no matter how long you have been living abroad, you haven't given up things which make this nation look bad - as an example, you first assumed that I never lived outside i.e I am a liar - then you went ahead and assumed that I am a real estate agent around DHA - third, I am trying to exploit the emotions of overseas Pakistanis...I am sure you ran short of words, otherwise you could have continued assuming and at the end, probably had linked me with all your problems :)

At least I had the courage to mention my name, in your casse, you prefered to remain annonymous "Watchlist Canada" - but I don't mind - it is your right and I will fight for your right to oppose me.

Despite the fact that being in a real estate business is not a bad thing, I am not in this business. Enjoy your "concipiracy theories" and self-satisfcation if it comes this way - may God bless you anyway. Aameen.

Salman replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 09:40 PM PST 

Mr. WatchList Canada ... We can see whats on your list (Greed, Selfishness, Conspiracy,) I am amazed at your thought pattern.

Its not abt investment into property; its about investing your time and resources to help Save Pakistan in whichever way you can.

AG replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:25 PM PST 

Dear All,

Allam Iqbal said "Pavesta Reh Shajar Se Umeed Bahar Rakh"

Jo Shakh Khizan mein Shajar se allag ho jati hae usper kabhi bhe Bahar Nahin aati.
Choice is ours now my Pakistani Brothers.

Muhammad Nasir Abbas replied on Thursday, May 26, 2011 02:04 AM PST 

Piyare Bhayio,

See also
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20110525

and Insha Allah after these hardships, we will emerge a Respected Nation. --- Ameen

tzk replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 04:22 AM PST 

I agree with javaid and have been through the same situation like millions of others. The problem is that in our childhood heros were aziz bhatti, rashid minhas etc but unfortunately now heros and heroins belong to the other side of the border. How can you instill patriotism and loyalty when your heart is across the border.

Also remember what American President JFK said,
"ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY"

The day we start asking this, the country & nation will blossom

KSA replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 04:45 AM PST 

why in pakistan, when an army officer get retired, live a good (lavish)life with car, home(in good scheme), children in good schools, bank balance and when a jawan get retire... he start working with tractor-trolly as loader....?

Najam in Canada replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 04:48 AM PST 

Javaid,
AOA. I salute your love for Pakistan.
I am with you all the way. I have read all the replies to your thread, some good, some bad, some clueless, some baseless... But these comments are made by my Pakistani friends, so I don't mind because everyone is concerned about Pakistan in his own way...
I am in the same boat as you and many others are ...returning to Pakistan after many years of abroad life ... I am returning next year regardless... I have made investments in Pakistan and I have some other plans before I leave for Pakistan next summer...
The only driving force for my decision was my love for Pakistan and my believe in Pakistan ... May Allah bless our beloved Pakistan...

Ijaz replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 06:36 AM PST 

Aoa, Alhamdolillah, we are doing our bit in UK (London). Please visit www.pakculturalsociety.co.uk
We are proud that we have so many children who celeberate Paksitan Day and Independence Day with national anthem and mili naghmas. I am sure you will like the videos of these beautiful children performing on stage.
We are in process of preparing a documentary on Pakistan so any person can help us with high quality video clips about pakistan we will appreciate. Thank you.

Javaid replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 01:55 PM PST 

Dear Najam

I am so happy to hear from you, and insha ALLAH, you will have a mich better, peaceful and prosperous life for you and your family in Pakistan. I have a similar plan to return back very soon.

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 02:54 PM PST 

Dear All,
Please leave my friend Watchlist_Canada alone,i beleve he is right in his own senses.Let us all ignore the financial condition of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.And let us say by investing in beloved Pakistan we can help build our nation,so let me tell you it is utter non-sense.Many years ago when i returned to the Pak-Zameen,i had many friends and people like Mr Javaid who would argue with me about being patriot and all that emotional stuff regarding Muhab-e-watani,Qaum Parasti,Patrioticism,Islam,Pak Fauj.And that even we are abroad we are classified as 2nd class citizen,Your own country is your own country.All are brothers,every one is Pakistan here and so on.

What Pakistan are you talking about?Just turn on your own Television,and forget about 1970 or 1950.Even as i write here for you my beloved country-men,i see sick news's on tv.From Faislabad Agriculture Univeristy Scandal to Quetta killings of innocent women.
What do you talk about?What nation?Bloody non-sense.Our nation cant sleep well on night if they manage to watch a stupid bollywood one-night.India is our traditional enemy.But we dance on there songs in our weddings.You talk about independense?And the two nationl theory.But look at our news channels,even if they tell some news on the background is there stupid bollywood music.What nation and what country you talk about?Dont misslead overseas pakistanis.They have seen bad days in Pakistan,and they have managed to go abroad by very difficulties.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:38 AM PST 

can anybody provide me detail about dha ph 7 new map i have a plot# Q392 map shows my plot and also wall of Pungali. i am confused about this thing. and also tell me the estimate price.

CMY replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 03:41 PM PST 

This plot is not clear and you should be getting relocation letter from
DHA Lahore. Plot is worth Rs 30 to 31 lacs max today.


Ch Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
03224009967
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:18 PM PST 

DHA LAHORE PHASE 7 PRICE UPDATE ONE KANAL PLOTS

BLOCK P 40 LAC TO 48 LAC
BLOCK Q 35 LAC TO 45 LAC
BLOCK R 50 LAC TO 57 LAC
BLOCK S 44 LAC TO 48 LAC
BLOCK T 35 LAC TO 47 LAC
BLOCK U 35 LAC TO 47 LAC
BLOCK V 38 LAC TO 48 LAC
BLOCK W 42 LAC TO 50 LAC
BLOCK X 34 LAC TO 44 LAC
BLOCK Y 32 LAC TO 40 LAC
BLOCK Z 28 LAC TO 50 LAC



Hassan Raza Lahore Real Estate

03028449766
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:08 PM PST 

DHA LAHORE PHASE 6 PRICE UPDATE

BLOCK A 57 LAC TO 80 LAC
BLOCK B 65 LAC TO 80 LAC
BLOCK C 54 LAC TO 75 LAC
BLOCK D 58 LAC TO 65 LAC
BLOCK E 50 LAC TO 60 LAC
BLOCK F 48 LAC TO 62 LAC
BLOCK G 65 LAC TO 70 LAC
BLOCK H 65 LAC TO 83 LAC
BLOCK J 62 LAC TO 80 LAC
BLOCK K 63 LAC TO 73 LAC
BLOCK L 60 LAC TO 72 LAC
BLOCK M 58 LAC TO 65 LAC
BLOCK N 48 LAC TO 65 LAC


Hassan Raza Lahore Real Estate
03028449766

Tahir replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 02:49 PM PST 

15-20 lacs rise only within 3 months due the hype created by property dealers. Market correction is supposed to set in as the number of buyers are on decline.
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:17 PM PST 
LDA EVENUE1

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HALLO ALL SOME ONE UPDATE ABOUT BLOCK C IN LDA EVENUE1 littgation & delopment in the block

Riz replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 04:59 PM PST 

Litigation plot holders will get plots in LDA AVENUE-1 Extension on defence road.
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 05:29 PM PST 

Dear CMY sb.
I want to know about EDEN Garden Extension Ferozpur road which ads are coming in newspaper. what about the future and actual location. Is it safe saving or not?
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:09 PM PST 
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:47 PM PST 
updated on I-14,I-15 and I-16

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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:42 PM PST 
Park view villas multan road

Park view villas multan road

Plot for sale 5marla pair

JADE 260 @ 13 LACS
JADE 260/A @ 13 LACS

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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:21 PM PST 
VELENCIA 2KANAL PLOT FOR SALE

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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:01 PM PST 
Lahore Ring Road (Southren Loop

Can someone tell me what the official time is for the completion on the southren loop of the Ring road. Also will the Northren loop be completed on time. I have read an artical on this website a few days ago that a Chineese company will build it and recive the toll tax so I don't think there should be any problem due to shortage of funds.
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 02:49 PM PST 
Future of G-16 Islamabad

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Please intimate current development status and prices of residential plots of various sizes in G-16 (MIECHS). Also comment on its future prospects. Is it worth investing in this Society?

waji replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:32 PM PST 

Prices has gone up considerably as this society has got developed in last 1 year, I believe in this quarter they will give possession as most of the area is developed. I also hold a plot in this society just waiting for possession.

Regards

Wajahat

sohail replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 02:52 AM PST 

Very bad investment at current price which has been increased by manuplating the rates by local propert dealer. You try to sell your i kanal plot in eveloped area, you will not be able to sell above 30 LAC but when you want to buy then these ediot propert dealers will never allow you buy at less than 38 lac
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 02:11 PM PST 
Lahore Property Prices by Lahore Real Estate May 24, 2011

DHA Lahore allocation files rates.

DHA Lahore Parkview 10 marla is available at 13.25 lacs

DHA Lahore Parkview 1 kanal is available at 19.70 lacs

DHA Lahore 5 ext 1 kanal is available at 26.50 lacs

DHA Lahore 9-10 1 kanal is available at Buyers at 15.15 lacs and Sellers at 15.25 lacs

DHA Islamabad phase 2 extension available at 6.6 lacs.

Ch Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
03224009967
Direct Email For CMY : lahorerealestate@gmail.com

khan replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:38 PM PST 

respected cmy sahib u gave the rates of dha 2 extension 6.6 u mean 6 lacs and 6 thousands rupees or u mean 6 lacs and 60 thousands.please make it cleare to me i will be thankfull to u.and please tell me in coming one two months rates of dha2 extension will go up or down.i am intrested to buy few
files there.

CS replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 09:34 AM PST 

Khan>>
6.6 means Six lac and Sixty thousand.
6.06 means Six lac and Six thousand.
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 01:39 PM PST 
Should I invest in Pakistan in current condition ?

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Please let me know if this is a right decision to buy a property in Pakistan in current circumstances as we see Pakistan is suffering through Terrorism. Please advice. :1)

SaeedAhmed replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 02:05 PM PST 

my advice is not well taken by my own relatives, but i still insist that do not buy property in Pakistan if you currently have no plans to move back in Pakistan; because:
1. rapidly deteriorating condition of rupee.
2. still stagnant or loosing value of property.
3. worst social, political, economical conditions.
5. high inflation

just compare Canadian $ worth in 2006 and in 2011 against rupee; almost 60% increase.
just compare property value worth in 2006 and in 2011; went down a lot.

So those living in north America or Europe or Australia who invested in property they r the one who lost the most.

if u have cash dollars in hand whenever u come back u will have upper hand due to reasons mentioned above.

Mr. Khan, Jeddah replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:08 PM PST 

Dear Saeed Ahmed,

We should also think about our country, which unfortunately has been continuously betrayed by our Generals, Politicians and Bureaucrats.

Pakistan needs our support, money and investments.

Wake up before it's too late!

Guest replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:13 PM PST 

Dear Brothers,
Invest as much as you can in Pakistan.
Muslim Umma and Pakistan needs your support.
We in the overseas have started sending extra money of 500 Dollars every month, to our own relatives to support Pakistan.
May Allah(swt) bless you and muslim ummah. ameen.

AG replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:12 PM PST 

@Mr. Khan, Jeddah.
@Guest.

I fully agree with you. Pakistan is the Future & Custodian of our children & we must think of Pakistan more than any thing else. I am working in Middle East since 1978 & whatever I earned is either spent on the needs of my family back at home or invested in Pakistan. Pakistan does offer good oppertunities inspite of all odds.
During my stay abroad I have come across people from all over the world & know how do they feel about their homeland.
We must help our homeland out of crisis instead of throwing insults & hating Pakistan.

abc123 replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:17 PM PST 

@Mr. Khan, Jeddah.
@Guest.

THUMBS UP! I salute your patriotism.

Arif replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:35 PM PST 

We should certainly encourage patriotism but the question was regarding the economic sense of investing in Pakistan property. I think focusing on short term gain and getting discouraged by individual events (like earthquake or terrorist attack) are two important mistakes people make while investing. Societies almost always successfully absorb just about any blow no matter how big including World War 2 in Europe or 1947 riots in South Asia. I believe terrorism will be defeated in Pakistan because it has already been defeated in Iraq, Sri-Lanka and Northern Ireland.

I think investing in good property has always been rewarding in Pakistan if you compare
prices over a 15 year period. Compare 2010 with 1995 and you will see property beating exchange rate. Compare 1995 with 1980 or compare 1980 with 1965. I don't have empirical data but I don't know any one who has become rich just by saving dollars.
As for US dollars it is going weak itself. Pakistani bank's term deposit rates easily beat the increase in price of US dollars.

Above comments compare Pakistan property with foreign exchange only. If you have some smart investment going for you in North American that is giving you high return then that is a different story. However no one has shared their happy story from North America on this site. They just seem to be going through one bubble (dot com bubble) after another (property bubble). I do wonder sometimes how is the rental return in America after paying property tax, insurance, maintenance and income tax. May be someone from North America would like to share their experience in this regard.

SaeedAhmed replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:41 PM PST 

its interesting to see all those comments.......... from all those who r living overseas. yes while i was abroad, i was a lot patriotic and that was the reason i came back to SERVE this country. however, the level at which i have worked and interacted with top most policy makers of this country............. i have little hopes that things will improve in near future. i m sorry, many people will get hurt, but it is ground reality we must face. this country is in deep @#$% just because of its own politicians, armed forces, bureaucrats, and judiciary.
anyhow, this will get long and long without and fruitful results. The question asked by respected Zahra was about property and of-course it was from point of view of making a profit or secure investment; and my response is from that perspective as-well. and it should not be taken to judge someone as a more or less sincere to the country.

Mel Gibson 'The Patriot' replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 05:10 PM PST 

Dear 'patriotic' expatriates,

It is a fallacy if someone thinks that buying a plot back home is 1) an act of patriotism and 2) constitutes investing in your country. You know that you only do it for your own gains. You must also know that you are the key cause of land price distortions that make homes more expensive than a legitimate income/salary would allow for a pakistani living in his homeland. You earn in $$$ and buy in Rupees. The average sheedah earns in Rupees but must compete with your $$$. Not fair. No wonder he rips you off (not saying it's right, though).

Fallow land does not contribute to productivity of the nation. No goods are produced and no jobs created (other than supporting the most despised segment of society: 'dealers'). If most of the money that poured in to the country post 9/11 and even now went into productive assets or primary issues in the stock market, then you would see what a sustainable boom and expansion of economy is. Instead, we like to gamble on share trading (secondary market) or buying plots where we hope to get quick gains without putting in efforts and knowledge. Even those that work hard for each penny abroad hope for overnight gains in their own country. Our own country is not to work hard in, it is to live the good life! What we all seek are capital gains. Capital gains are those from selling those assets that have the ability to generate income themselves, and by definition, capital gains are not ordinary or recurring income. We must shift our focus to actually generating income from those assets i.e. milk the damn buffalo, don't take her to the market to get her price checked every 3 days.

The plot obsession is a national curse that benefits relatively few but consumes the majority of everyones resources. Every few years everyone is taken to the cleaners, and the dealers and market manipulaters are laughing all the way to their foreign bank accounts, while driving BMW 7 series that they earlier could only hope to rent for their wedding ceremony. Another curse is the obession with saving in gold. There is nothing more useless than gold. Absolutely nothing it can do except look shiny and pretty and dazzle people that are easily dazzled!

You may say that you are not aware of avenues to invest, so can only put in plots. You are absolutely correct, there are no passive forms of safe and attractive investment in Pakistan. If you have enough resources and courage, a real show of patriotism is to return to this jungle and do something that you learned or practiced abroad. I would not advise this personally as prospects are very dim for the country, for faults entirely of our own making.

However, if you insist you are a great lover of the country and you pine for it while you are abroad and keep talking about how great the food is, then bring real investment into the country. Pakistan doesn't need money (well not as much as you think). What it needs, what it is literally dying for is YOU and your INTEGRITY and your COMPETENCE and your HARD WORK. If you can bring those values you've learned abroad back and practice them, then it would be like a blood transfusion for a very sick patient.

If you can't do this, then don't try to give false assurances to yourself and the country about how great patriots you are. Patriots don't run away when the war is raging, they return to the ranks to fight the good fight.

Who am I? I am no patriot, just a pragmatist. I am just tired of the hypocrisy and pretenses that follow a pakistani no matter where he or she takes up residence in this wide world of ours. Good luck to your wherever you are.

SI replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:00 PM PST 

Investment in realestate is always better rewarding, just want to share that Gulberg, Lahore was sold @ Rs. 350 / marla in 1960 by Lahore Improvement Trust

pak lover replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 06:25 PM PST 

i came back from overseas went arround 8 countries,our country need us and its better to live here than to be a b grade citizen of other country .

reincarnated replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:19 PM PST 

very well said Mel Gibson. cant agree more on the msg an theme and couldnt have phrased it better either. bravo !!!
;D

atiq raja. replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 02:00 AM PST 

MY GOD PAKISTAN IS HELL,life is not secure,now this is time to run.............fast from pakistan to safe your life.

Theory replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 02:55 AM PST 

Pakistan was created on two nation theory through democracy. Two nations implies two kind of people in Pakistan, one type is ripping off and the other is being ripped off and the democracy is taking its revenge.

Arif replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 03:07 AM PST 

Atiq bhai you are ridiculous..............as always.

AG replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 04:17 AM PST 

Gentlemen,

1. Only Pakistanies can bring Pakistan out of its present difficulties so let us face the reality & do whatever we can do to help our Pakistan. We can not & should not run away from our responsibilities towards Pakistan.
2. Buying a plot in Pakistan helps our country in many ways.It brings foreign exchange,it creates jobs with the developers, it helps construction industry in many ways when people build houses on their plots,it reduces shortage of housing units. There are more than sixty industries which benifit from the construction activity.
3. I know the feelings of our brothers who were either been cheated or harmed. I know there are some people trying to harm Pakistan & in turn harm us.Believe me the only way of defeating these people is to be faithfal to our country,WORK VERY HARD FOR THE ECNOMIC STABILITY OF OUR COUNTRY & REMAIN UNITED. Our brothers should vent their anger in some other way than accusing & insulting our Homeland.
GO & ASK PALESTINIANS WHAT DOES A HOMELAND MEANS.

Anwer replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 05:06 AM PST 

Salam AG,
I thank you AG. and agree with you 100%.
Only we ourselves can help Pakistan and may Allah(swt) in this. ameen
We will never let our country down.
I know many overseas Pakistanis which are sending money to their own relatives to bring in the foreign exchange.

/Anwer

rana replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 09:33 AM PST 

Mel Gibson 'The Patriot', it was simply a treat to read your post. While I am someone who left pakland 30 years ago and never looked back, invested excess $ in plots, I do not consider myself to be patriot.

Imran replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:24 PM PST 

Good to see some nice and some not very nice comments about pakistan, but we should face reality, we as expats are working hard and sending foreign exchange to pakistan for decades, if we keep on doing this do you think that situation is pakistan will improve. Here the people in the government are not taking any responsibility, all the responsibility is with general public. Compare pakistan with other countries where there is law and order and good economy, it is not the general public over there but the policy makers and people in government who are guiding the country towards prosperity. People in all the countries are more or less same, everybody has a desire to prosper and live a good life but when there is no opportunity, thanks to the goofed up policies of government then people use unethical/criminal means to gain money. Each one of us love our country but we are all feeling helpless due to unavailability of any way of action

Ahmed (Calgary) replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:13 PM PST 

@Atiq Raja
What was the value of your property in 2003 in Islamabad and what is the value now. At least 50 times more. Is there any country in the whole world where property can grow that fast and with out paying one
penny as income or wealth tax? How much have your wealth grown in UK?

Regards

Ahmed

Javaid replied on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 03:41 PM PST 

I think what Saeed advised is based on technical analysis of the current situation and no doubt, our country is going through the most difficult time in its history. At the same time, what Mr. Khan mentioned is also correct - we should not leave the country when it needs us - we need to increase the morale of the nation and I have no doubt that our country will bounce back insha-ALLAH.
I live in abroad and can't describe the pain of hearing bad news about the country - our country should have a higher priority than any other thing and if we don't step forward now, we will be gone forever.

We are respected only if we have our country on our back - ask Palestinians how does it feel when you don't have a country to go and live - in good times, our contry helped us gain the qualification to go abroad - now when country needs us in bad time, we should give our best to save it.

May ALLAH strengthen our country, protect it from its enemies, help th enation to be stronger to defend it and save it from corrupt rulers / military establishment.

Alhamdulillah, I am living a very decent life outside Pakistan but still my golden memories are from my childhood - when I didn't have money to buy even a chewingum, yet I was more confident and proud Pakistani.

God bless this nation and country. Aameen.

shahid khan replied on Friday, May 27, 2011 01:43 AM PST 

i love pakistan and being a paksitani i bought two houses of 4.6 marla in eden gardens lahore on main ferozepure road. i visited the site a years ago and found beautiful one for future references. doesnt matter the situation of pakistan be pakistani buy pakistani. shahid khan from london england

Javed replied on Friday, June 17, 2011 01:45 AM PST 

i commend mel gibson. we are all hypocrate and looter and use the name of Pakisn and Islam for own vested interests

Ali hamza replied on Tuesday, January 3, 2012 02:13 AM PST 

Every 1 this guy Atiq raja is sick person so be aware of him.... 1 day he says DHA is best and 2nd month he says D-12, E-11 or G-13 is best. so please understand what he try to make of you guys...... better ask him how many plots he have in DHA lol.......... he is crazy , 1 time he don't count G series as sector and 2nd time he tells to invest........... one he call pakistan a hell and 2nd he keep telling people to invest, trust me he is sick and want to make money only.............

Saeed Iqbal Bukhari replied on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 06:22 PM PST 

Bukhari Real Estate office # 73,first floor,Auriga Complex,Main bolievard,Gulberg II,lahore,Pakistan
Plz
contact us For Good chances to buy or sell any kind of property..
Saeed Iqbal Bukhari


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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:47 PM PST 

CMY sahib
DHA have changed my plot from Y(phase 7) to Z block
and new plot nimber is Z 1176 please advise what is the price of this plot & future holding
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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:04 AM PST 
T I P Housing Scheme Lahore.

Gentlemen,

I shall be obliged if any one could kindly advise the status of T I P Colony Lahore.

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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 03:27 AM PST 

Dear CMY,

Sorry to reply you a little late. By mistake I had mentioned one Marla but actually it is one Kanal and the plot detail is JJ 0787. So please advice what is the current value. Should I sell it and invest it somewhere else.

Eagerly waiting for your reply!


Zia
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Sunday, May 15, 2011 01:25 AM PST Reply:

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Dear CMY,

I have read about your trust worthy and the work you are doing. I am very much confident that i will get the right answer from you. Couple of years back i have invested in the State Life Housing Society Phase II Extension with a 1 Marla plot. So far it has costs us almost 20 Lacks. I wanted to know is our investment fair and what is the current value of it. Or you advice me to sell it and buy it somewhere else.

Thanks for your time.
Waiting for your response.

Zia

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CMY replied on Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:23 AM PST

Dear friend I need to know the plot number to give an accurate answer to you.

CMY replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:35 PM PST 

Zia sahib JJ0787 State Life phase 2 is worth Rs 7.5 lacs. Not a good plot to keep. If I had it I would have sold it long time ago.

Ch Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
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