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Muhammad Hanif

Thursday, January 1, 2009 01:24 AM PST

Reply:

Need yours Point of View

I am right now in overseas, and I want to come back to Pakistan and want to start my own business. I have Pakistani 15 Million ( 1.5 Cror)...

I no have home also ... I will get 10 marla in rent ..

I lived 25 years in Pakistan so I know the ups and downs and tricks also: P (just to clarify that some people think that Pakistani always cheats the overseas so that’s no matter)

Please give the positive response that how much I can get the monthly if I establish any business in Pakistan…..

And a good living standard how much expanse in a month including house rent also

Waiting for your precious response

Regards

Ali11 replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 01:31 AM PST

A developing has lot more opportunities than a developed country. If you work hard and honestly, you will never fail. There are bad people, but there are good people as well.

No doubt Pakistan is full of opportunities. If you are living abroad, perhaps you can find some items which you can manufacture here and export.

Jameel replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 02:28 AM PST

Dear Sir, Cheating is not a big problem, Infact most of people have these problems and then they Blame cheting
Lack of Standing in Market
Lack of Experience in cerain Business
Too Much expectations From Business
Less rate of earning or margin as comapred to Overseas circumstances
Most of people who have good running business in pakistan have long standing, They start with small business and dig their way through time. Many people vanish in Journey and few who get established have some qulities. So you need mney, tatlent and Luck as well to Run a good business. No matter its factory, Tranport, Press or a shop. 1.5 cror is not too much money If you moved from counrtry 15 years back just think it is 20 lac.
Good Luck

Advise replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 11:46 AM PST

Invest in national saving certificates you will get 175,000 monthly.Pay Rs 20,000 rent for a decent 10 marla house and rest is for your monthly running exp. Live comfortably and easily after long struggle in life at abroad.

Readers are requested not to start halal or haram debate from here

Khizer Inayat replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 03:54 PM PST

My honest advice is:-

1. First of all you should consider the HALAL and HARAM as a muslim. While doing marriage, we always do Nikah that is HALAL. Then why people can even think of having Interest Based Investment that is absolutely HARAM in Islam.

2. Come to Pakistan and invest half of your money that is around 75 LAcs in Meezan Islamic Bank's Dollar Saving Account. This may give you a halal profit of approximately 30-40k Rupees per month.

http://www.meezanbank.com/DollarSavingAccount.aspx

With a minimum of only $100 you can open a Dollar Saving Account with us under a Mudarabah arrangement that is strictly in conformity with the principles of Islamic Shariah. The return earned on the Mudarabah pool is calculated every month and the profit ratio for all investors is declared at the beginning of the month. If you maintain a minimum average monthly balance of $ 500, you shall be eligible to receive profits that shall be disbursed to you every month.

3. For the rest of the 75 LACs, Buy a plot of Rs. 20-25 Lacs in a well developing society (10 Marla) and start building a house with a local honest contractor.

4. Rent a home and start living there and build this house with your own supervision, it may cost you another 20-25 LACs to build that house. While this house is being constructed, you can spend you time in some social work and research in business and society. you have to sell this house for only 15% margin. Tell people, this is the cost and I need to make 15% - you house will be sold in 10 days inshallah.

5. Do some business with Allah where 70 times profit is Guaranteed. Give to Eidhi, Shaukat Khanum, or any needy person near you. support some school kids for thier education and pay their whole year fee and similar activities. This will make sure that your other investments are growing and safe.

6. Pray from Allah about your success.

7. If you succeed, do pray for ME / CMY / All other brothers in this forum and All Muslims and specially Pakistanis.

8. After this, you can also help some other brother to achieve this goal......

Regards,

Khizer Inayat
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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Muhammad Hanif replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 04:07 PM PST

Desi,,,, I am 27 years old and I am having one son, just 2 years old and currently I am in Malaysia in a marble factory as a Production Manager.
I want to shift in Lahore. And I am interesting to start construction business. One house project like 10 Marla luxury style with A class decor and fully furnished,,,,, now what you suggest me

Ali3 replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 04:24 PM PST

1. Open a super store that sells everything, like Imtiaz, Naheed, Aga's, etc. (quoting shops from Karachi)

2. Meezan is not Islamic. Non-Islamic conventional banking is better than these so called Islamic banks because there is no hypocrisy and deception involved.

Guest007 replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 06:32 PM PST

Hanif you have lived in Pakistan for 25 years and now you are 27 years old. So that's mean you were in Malaysia for only two years. Just to let you know that nothing major has been changed in Pakistan beside new government. By the way think about establishing construction metrial factory as you have already experiance managing marble factory.

Adnan replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 06:58 PM PST

@ Khizer Inayat

really like your thinking, mashallah, idea is not bad, but i think investment in a Bank is not recommended at this moment in time

@ Mohd Hanif

there r many investment opportunities in Pakistan, e.g. Build n Sell houses, car service station, commercial building etc

Risk will always be there but it can be minimized by proper risk management

Gud luk

Mohammad Yousaf replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 07:45 PM PST

Hanif Sahib,

It seems strange that in Pakistan, plot prices are changing at all times but if you build a house, doing every thing honestly, you will never lose on that house if you sell it!
In Pakistan there is houses shortage and if government now starts moving towards right direction still it will take years before we break even versus house demand.
My suggestion, build a house and be honest with it, sell it (you have to consider here that how long you can wait before you get a buyer) and you will have guaranteed profit, no matter which area you choose.
You will of course go where basic facilities are available.
In my location in Rawalpindi, one of my friends who is in this business, sold a house getting 27 lacs of rupees and He was very happy over his profit. The same was re-sold within one month against 40 lacs of rupees!
In DHA Islamabad, I sold a 10 Marla plot and the buyer built a house for his own living, a family came from USA and wanted to buy. He asked a profit keeping mind that they will go away as the house was meant as his home. The buyers immediately accepted the price on huge profit.
He started another one, this time one Kanal, and had barely completed the foundations, and another party came with the reference of the earlier buyer and took the house again on huge profit!
Now this gentleman is building a 3rd house and swore that He will not sell it this time.
I am building a house on one Kanal plot in DHA; the plot price has come down very much but I am having already a buyer of my house from m y friends circle working around me.
I suggest learn house building, work hard in getting good Architect, the builder and then sell it, following a 6 month time schedule and you will be very happy out of it, no matter where property prices would go.
Now construction material is also less expensive and people now do not want to involve themselves in constructing their houses.
I am preparing a write up covering my experience regarding my own house but still struggling for time, when done, I will post it here

Best of luck

arsu replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 08:14 PM PST

Naveed, purpose of appearing on this forum should not be to impress someone with your knowledge but to respond to someone’s mail and contribute your thoughts in a way that is helpful and easily understandable to everyone. With due respect, I would say that most of the times your philosophical posts tend to be quite lengthy and lack practicality. For instance in your recent reply to the post of Mohammad Hanif, what you have said is totally a text book stuff.
Replying to “How much I can get the monthly if I establish any business in Pakistan” you are advising him to think business in terms of lifetime, or at least annual basis, rather than monthly basis. Today whosoever (whether small or big businessman) invests in the business, has only one thing in the back of his mind, ie to have a quick return. Hanif has got only 1.5 crore in his pocket, out of which he may hardly be able to invest 70 to 80 lacs in business, as surely he will keep some reserve for the back up also alongwith other miscellaneous expenditures. Now advising someone who is going to start a business with 70 lacs approx to think profitability in terms of lifetime – simply unworkable! Again your suggestions to apply further aromatics for the better probability of returns are totally impracticable and can not be implemented in a small scale business.

Few brotherly suggestions:

•Avoid pasting lengthy posts and try to be brief.
•Try to be specific and talk practical stuff
•Use easy terminology and plain language.
•Be sure what you are saying has the backing up of solid references
•Only jump into areas of which you possess good command.
•Never give suggestions that contradict with principles of Islam.

Jameel replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 09:29 PM PST

Dear Hanif, In these circustances to buy a plot and Build a decent house and sell is not very profitable idea, as there is Back log of houses which wee built a while ago and not yet Sold, These houses are available even on some discount. Even to cover the cost will also be difficult, If you think like this I shall advise you to spend some time Like month to search for a house, Then if you find in 80 Lac, try to figure out how much it will cost you if you buy a plot today and then Build yourself,
A small example is Bahria Town safari Villas, You can easily find a 8 merla Villa in 36 Lac, If you buy a plot and Build a house at same place it would cost 10% More than that and you will have to bother 6 to 8 months as well Plus it may take 1 to 2 years to sell.

Agha, Raza replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 09:36 PM PST

Dear Arsu,

I guess you were a sort of student who would skip any text found not comprehensible and constrain yourself only to simple and straight text.
Mr. Naveed Yaseen is a learned participant of this forum and many here profit from his knowledge and research. I would strongly urge Mr. Naveed Yaseen to ignore your comments and continue to share his knowledge with us.
Arsu, if you are not able to understand any text, it does not mean that it does not benefit others either. You could have given your own suggestions vis Mr. Hanifs Post instead of criticising Mr. Naveed Yaseens Post.
Kindly take this message in high spirits.

Jameel replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST

I shall agree with Arsu, most of times Mr Naveed Yasin's Posts are lengthy and not practical rather more critcal, But full of information. I think no one need to change its style. Active members are contributing lots to keep this Forum live.
I am sure there are thousands sillet here who will not post a single sentence, no matter a genteleman riffed off.

Desi replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 11:48 PM PST

Dear Muhammad Hanif,

Many brother have posted some real good suggestions here. Not sure if I can add anything else.

Fortunately you are in good profession (construction) that is in demand in Pakistan and therefore you should be able to make good living.

I also like Mr Khizer Inayat's post. I probably will do the same. However your biggest risk for the money deposited in bank is that it looses it's value. 100 ruppee today may buy you 92 ruppee worth of stuff in one year from now. On the other hand you don't want to put all the money in assets that are not liquid. If you have a choice of keeping your liquid money is foreign currency such as dollar, I think it would be a better idea. I am not a currency expert therefore I cannot tell you about other currencies or the future of Gold (if you decide to buy precious metal like Gold instead of currency).

If you learn the construction business for residential homes, you will find plenty of work. In fact there are few companies that expats like ourselves have a choice to reach out to. An idea is that perhaps you can target expats to build their homes with fixed price contracts. Build one home to start with, and post your work on this site to attract customer (as long as it is ok with Mr CMY). If you work honestly in the context that Allah SWT is watching and is know all/see all, the word will get around about your good work. I am sure many of the brothers on this forum will like to use your services once you prove your work and success.

Good luck to you and hope Allah SWT bless your family, work, and your move back home - ameen.

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Malik

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 08:58 PM PST

Reply:

What to purchase for Investment purposes

Jameel/CMY, Can you suggest what's the best buy for investment purposes having an amount of 45 lac. Will I go for DHA 8 file once it will go to 25 lac or any other developed area in Lahore?

I will be grateful for your quick suggestion.

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Asif Hamid

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 04:20 PM PST

Reply:

Plots for sale

Ad Type

City

Scheme

Phase

Block

Plot

Size

Demand(Rs)

For Sale

Rawalpindi

Bahria Town

ST # 1

3 & 4

1-K each

67 Lakh each

Ideal location.
Adjacent plots.
Opposit to round about.
Green belt in front of the plots.
Direct deal preferable. :forsale:

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Adil Saeed at Lahore Real Estate

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 02:54 PM PST

Reply:

Bahria Town Lahore Sector C 10 marla Jasmine 215 @ 14.50 Lacs.

Bahria Town Lahore Sector C 10 marla Tulip 521 @ 11 Lacs.

Bahria Town Lahore Sector C 10 marla Tulip 630 @ 11 Lacs.

Bahria Town Lahore Sector C 1 kanal Jasmine 458 @ 27.00 Lacs.

Bahria Town Lahore Sector C 1 Kanal Iris 34 @ 24.00 Lacs.

DHA Lahore Phase 7 1 kanal Q 56 @ 37 Lacs

Many Safari Villas Lahore 8 Marla available from 36 to 42 lacs. Also available on rent Rs 17000 to 19000

Adil Saeed at Lahore Real Estate
042-111-111-040

neeham replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 09:59 AM PST

i am intrested to buy dha 7 plot Q 846 please tell me how much final price thanks

neeham replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 03:11 PM PST

my email address is

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M ARSHAD RAJA

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 02:09 PM PST

Reply:

I KANAL HOUSE FOR SALE IN BAHIRA TOWN RWP

Ad Type

City

Scheme

Phase

For Sale

Rawalpindi

Bahira Town

1 kanal house for sale in Bahira Town Phase 1. Rawalpindi
6 bed with attached both room
street number 9
Demand 2 Crore
Paradise Real Estate, Main Adyaila Road
Rawalpindi Pakistan
M ARSHAD RAJA - - Pho

:sh: :sh: :sh: :sh:

asdsd replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 03:28 PM PST

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Saeed Ahmed

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:38 PM PST

Reply:

Office for rent near Mall road, tempal road

Office for rent near mall road tempal road,Office at first floor with cover area 375 square ft. having attach bathroom. Rent Rs7,000 per month contact Mr. Khalid Mahmood on phone no.6305843, mobile no. for further details

(37507)

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:35 PM PST

Reply:

Siddiq Trade Centre - Lahore

Ad Type

City

Scheme

For Rent

Lahore

Gulberg

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Hassan

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 04:10 AM PST

Reply:

WHEN PROPERTY WILL RESUME TO NORMALITY

AA

I would like people to voice there opinions on when they believe that property prices will resume to some sort of normality have prices hit rock bottom or time for more falling.

I would like to know whether estate agents like CMY are able to sel plots in current climate or has selling and purchasing come to a complete holt can people specify if this is the case and when the turn around or some stability likely to take place.

Further more Real estate agents adviced us to invest in phase 8 files but the have not been balloted and people claimed they had solid proof there again people are stuck. I am one of those I beleieve that this information will help many others as well as myself is it time to sell or hold.

limo replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 04:07 PM PST

There are no positive signs of recovery yet.If you can stomach phase 8 for another 3 years, its fine otherwise try to come out of it as early as possible.Presently each passing day is adversely effecting the worth of your property.

Jameel replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:44 PM PST

The prices of inpopulated or Under developed aereas are low, otherwise see the prices above mentioned by CMY in DHA 1 to 5, WAPDA, Valancia etc they are even more than they were 6 months back.

Rehman- Qatar replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:49 PM PST

Jameel: I have seen a decline the house prices in WAPDA, Valencia , Johar Town, EME etc. DO u say that house prices in these areas have stopped decreasing...

Whats your view, going forward, about the house prices in already occupied areas

Jameel replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 06:37 PM PST

My Point is Files lose more Plots less and populated areas even lesser.
Now you see the differnce DHA 8 File slid from 39 to 32 where as DHA 6,7 Plots did not show marked difference only 2,3 Lac adjustment. Other areas like WAPDA and Valancia are also cheaper than 6 Months before but difference is only 1,2 lac
If If you see the Difference from 2005 to 2009 price it is like this
DHA 8 75 to 32
DHA 7 65 to [34-9]
WAPDA 10 Merla 28 to 31
Valancia Kanal 45 to 43

reality bites replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 08:28 PM PST

India and Izrael have hooked up to undermine everything and anything Pakistani/Muslim. Their alliance is getting stronger and stronger. Thus, there is no good news in sight for Pakistan.

Khalil replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 08:43 PM PST

These agents will keep presenting the rosy picture of market and telling you this is the right time to buy, They must have said so when you bought this file too I whole hearted suggest not to buy any think at this stage, Market is sliding every day and when it will stop sliding it will remain still for quite some time and that will be the ideal time to buy. No hurry at this stage otherwise you will lose just see if you have bought yesterday today would have loose few thousand. I whole heartedly suggest to keep your money with you and wait till market gets still pricewise.

Hassan Bhai you do not have any choice but to wait to get your investment in full.

asim replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 04:40 AM PST

seriously i dont see any slum in property in islamabad. infact its increasing day by day no matter we were on edge of the war.

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Amjad

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:22 PM PST

Reply:

Plot for sale in E 11/3 Islamabad

Corner plot size 500 sq yards in E11/3. Price is 1.80 crore rupees.
. :sh:

Waseem Malik replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:33 PM PST

give us some details, please, about yourself and the plot as well. its a lot of money you are talking about, isn't it.
thanks

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Tariq Butt

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:18 PM PST

Reply:

2K Commercial Land for Lease/Rent

Ad Type

City

Scheme

Phase

Block

Size

For Rent

Gujranwala

Mohafiz Town

An ideal opportunity for Long Rent /Long Lease for a Multi-national Company/Bank/Mobile companies to build their regional offices with own private parking ....
Mohafiz Town ,Gujranwala is located on Rawalpindi Bypass,just outside Wapda town, and approch to various adjacent is extremely easy via Bypass road.
Distribution companies can also use it as a place for making Godown

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ajmal

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:03 PM PST

Reply:

clean your money

clean your dirty money by giving 2% to fbr. last date is dec 31 2008

Clean replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 03:37 PM PST

Someone, Please clean this page by removing this post.

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Asim

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 06:22 PM PST

Reply:

7 Marla Corner House in in Eden Value Homes for sale

Salam All,
I want to sell my house in Eden Value Homes. It is situated 2 KM from thokar on Main Multan Road.

Size: 6.82 marla corner block C
Total Amount Paid: 3,79846 X 5 = 18,99230
Remaining 5 Installments
Next Installment due on : 8 Jan 2009.
Demand : 18,99230

best wishes,
Asim

Rehman- Qatar replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 07:16 PM PST

I am seeing this Add posted in this forum , 4th or 5th time in the last 2-3 months...

Nothing wrong posting it again and agian but i think, the price needs to be reduced if anyone is serious in selling the property

Asim replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:11 PM PST

Brother Rehman,
Price is already reduced, earlier I was asking profit and now just what i have paid -:). what you want ? So do you see an lack of seriousness ?
if u are serious make an offer, you got my email address and this forum as well ...

Eden Effecty replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:20 PM PST

Dear Asim,

Please add 10% in your purchasing cost which is enforced recently by Eden.

Eden Effecty replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:23 PM PST

Your total cost to be payable to Eden will be 4,178,306.00 not 3,798,460.00

Asim replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:07 PM PST

No, my total cost is Rs. 39,82560 including 95,000 dev charges + making bed rooms spacious.

Eden Effecty replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 01:13 PM PST

Recently, Eden has added 10% in total cost. Please check the status of your home with Eden office. They putt these charges by force due to expensive labour and material, the reason they added.

Rehman- Qatar replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 01:33 PM PST

Dear Asim:

My point is that you seems desperate to sell as you have posted many times the same add. If you are not able to get a buyer, then may be you have to reduce the price further. th real estate down , how ideal is that to say that I am not asking any profit. just sellinhg at cost?

Dont take my comments personally. I beleive that prices overall in Lahore will decrease further by 15% -20% after June budget as there are going to be heavy taxation on real estate and other sectors. ( The same is agreed to IMF).

WIsh you best of luck to find a buyer at a price that suits you.!!!

Ali11 replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 02:29 PM PST

@Asim,

Selling at the same price ??? You should definitely ask for profit. This is going to be a very good society once completed. Its gated, secure and overall infrastructure is very good. There is always demand of rented houses on south side of lahore as Multan road is an industrial road. Also the once Thokar Niaz baig overhead bridge is complete, price will rise automatically, as prices for the societies on canal road will, so why not Eden value homes.

I would suggest to sell it at profit or keep it. After completion you can either rent it out or sell it very easily.

Jameel replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 06:47 AM PST

Mr Asim never told how much complete that property is, I think if he abroad then he should figure out first the property Completion status and then make his mind for price. Eden people are very trcky if Constuction cost will increase due their own delay they will put it on buyer. And you will see the price will increase finally.

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LRE Rates Update

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 03:31 PM PST

Reply:

DHA Lahore Plot File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse

Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse Dec 30, 2008 12:15 PM

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Allocation File 1 Kanal seller at 36 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 25.10 Sellers(s) at 25.25 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 6 Allocation File Sellers(s) at 34.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 7 Allocation File Sellers(s) at 21.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 31.80 Seller(s) at 31.90 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 14.85 Seller(s) at 14.90

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30 Seller(s) at 30.15 ( OPEN files are priced lower).

Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 20.70 Seller(s)at 20.75 Lacs.

DHA Islamabad 2 ext lowest rate is 10.50 lacs.

*** Always deal with Registered/Authorized Dealers only ***

Rates you can trust provided by:

Ch. Mujahid Yasin (CMY)
Lahore Real Estate
Registered/Authorized Dealer (DHA, EMAAR, Bahria Town, Urban Developers, etc.)
+92-300-400-9967
+92-322-400-9967
eMail: LRE786@GMail.com

http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com/

Jameel replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 04:45 PM PST

Dear CMY would it would be OK if you tell the Current market trend of Deals Plots vs Files, Sale of files is basically done by investors and this will tell the sentiment of Big fishes snd speculators.
like You can give figure File vs Plot deals 1:3
Just an idea.

Ashraf Azeem replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 05:01 PM PST

Dear CMY,

I am looking for 1 Kanal plot in overseas Bahria phase 8, Pindi.
Can you please qoute the currents rate for overseas 1 kanal plot ?

Thanks and kind regards,
Ashraf Azeem,

Hamid,Toronto replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:22 PM PST

Ashraf Bhai,

Please check Market rate of Overseas Bharia 1K plot and send me an email @ with your offer.
I do have 1K plot in Overseas block (RWP) which I want to dispose it.

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Hamid Sheikh

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:14 PM PST

Reply:

Healthy business news

http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=858617

http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=858623

http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=858657

Mediator, could you please add these URLs on main page?

CMY, I am using your website for non-real estate issues, sorry for that.

CMY replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 03:27 PM PST

Hamid sheikh sahib any thing that can help Pakistan and Pakistanis is welcomed here. Thanks for sharing this info with us.

Assad replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 03:55 PM PST

AOA
dear sir I suggest you register @ http://www.pakrealestatetimes.com and post such info there.
Regards
Assad

S.Nasir replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 02:12 AM PST

Dear Hamid,

What is ur Email address? I need some information about life in Canada. Pl........

Hamid, Toronto replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:41 AM PST

Very very cold here buddy!
You can email at . I should not disclose my year of birth here. :)

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Overseas Pak

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:42 AM PST

Reply:

Please share your knowledge

Dear Pakistanis: AOA,

Like to know your thoughts on this. Approximately every Pakistani in Pakistan and oversea know that we have following problems in Pakistan

-Education
-Bribe
-Un-Employment
-Infrastructure problems

-(our quality of education is not very good)
-(We have too much problem of bribe)
-Currently approximately 20 Million young people are unemployed and do not have right skills for jobs.

But no one have the clue, that how to resolve these problems and political people also not interesting to do any thing about these issue except promises. Please let us know what your thoughts are?

-How to generate more jobs in Pakistan.
-How to generate more revenue for gov.
-How to improve Education level and quality of it.
-Improve infrastructure

Thanks & Salaam
Member of
The Expert Talks Series
Overseas Pak

A. Khan replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:18 AM PST

First and most important issue is controling population. We have limited land and limited resources. We may have 20M young unemployed and do not have right skills for job, but what good would it be if we keep adding more people to this list?

Bribe, Un-employment, Infrastructure problems etc are ALL bi-products of lack of prospirity in a society. As I mentioned earlier we have limited resources but we keep on adding people to share those limited resourses. Only a certain number of people can live a prosperous and quality life in a single-house (Pakistan).

Over population leads to corroption, in-equality, un-employment and infrastructure-problems and lack of education, because more and more people would be competing for a limited resourses.

No dought areas indentifed by you up there is important to tackle, but it will be just a temporarary fix until the problem of population growth is addressed.

B. Ali replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 02:47 PM PST

Make justice available to everyone at grass root level in cheap and quick manner and positive change in all aspects will be visible in short time.

Imran. replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 03:39 PM PST

I am agree with B.ALI.
Social Justice is as important as humanlife.

abo ali replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 04:09 PM PST

Aap sub kee batain bohoot hee kimti hain leken? 20 sal lagaan gay agr humari maaaian honest hooooon tooo?

We need honest mothers to born honest son? & teach them honesty?
We need honest mothers to teach their kids to work hard?
We need honest mothers to teach their child to wear dongri instead of karakay dar wight Cotton suit.
We need honest mothers to teach their child do not stand in chouk (for poundi)

if the mothers cannot do the above job.

We need honest TV instead of kanjer khana?

We are under the WAR and Kanjar programm are live on air? in the name of poors tafreee is only TV?

abo ali replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 04:12 PM PST

YAAAAA CHANGE IN 24 HOURS INQALAB ONLY

but we are not ready for any thing just talking, we will be not honest and do not like INQALAB.

so please do not burn you blood, wait untill, ALMIGHTY ALLAH help us?

Dr. A Khan replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 03:58 AM PST

Dear all,
The answer is very simple and start systematically as follows

1: We need a genuine and true national leadership in the country.
To achieve this objective. Election and then filtration is the only way and above all we should send/select right people for the parliament.

2: We need a true system of national accountability where starting from an ordinary person and then all walks of life (President, Feudals, Primeminister, Judges, Military, Business class etc) should be held responsible for their missdeeds. Honest judiciary is the fundamental thing to strengthen and run the society.
Note: This can only be achieved if we have above objective 1 in place.

3: We should strengthen our institution.
This is only possible if above two objectives are in place.

4: Start parallel and multidisciplinary approach to develop a feeling of nationalism within the country. Today, we are internally divided because of regional, linguistic, sectarian aspects.
To achieve this objectve, responsibility lies on the respective Parliamentary people whom should start a national compaign (through media, schools, departments etc) to gradually change the mind set of ordinary pakistani citizen so that after some time we might think only about Pakistan (not Pukthon, Balooch, Sinhies, Muhajirs etc).
We should have a strict ban on talking about above contradictory issues (e.g., regional, linguistics, sectarian aspects) on the media (TV and Newspapers) since in this way we only spread hate among ourseles. Probably, we should ban few personalities who exploit these issues in the society.

5: Set milestones (define the vision) for short term and long term for different departments. The respective department head should be held responsible for to achive the defined milestones.

6: If we focus on above 5 objectives, I am certain to solve our most of the problems which we are facing today.

The question is how to implement above all so as to start from somewhere to achieve these objectives.
The simple answer is "We should look into the mirror first and ask ourselves: What should we contribute to run this society fairly well".

oh yessssss replied on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 08:33 PM PST

Politically, it is important to learn who your true friends are and who your enemies are. Many an enemy smiles as tho he is your friend.

Also, the future of Pakistan lies in the villages. If the villagers are forced to remain uneducated, then there is NO future hope for Pakistan. A country that uses only 10% of its brain power is destine to fail. If the villagers get educated they will not work for 100 rs a day. But, Pakistan will rise and be able to compete with the West.

The choice is yours - do you want cheap servants or a powerful country ????

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Overseas pak

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 09:09 AM PST

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Interesting artical and Pakistan

Zardari given enough rope to hang himself

Friday, December 26, 2008
Bearing Justice Iftikhar ill will was unwise; taking Justice Dogar under his wings was counter-productive; PPP ranks are ill at ease; attempt to work on Army will prove last straw

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.aspId=19211

OV replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:11 AM PST

Seems like news retract the news :-)
He should be hanged, because he killed BB. Wake up Pakistan, wake up before its too late. Look at other countries and nations, who did not wake up and outsiders came in to give them a wake up call. Just for one second stop thinking about yourself only and think collectively. God will not come down to take care of you, God help those who hep themselves. Look at Malaysia, India, China, Israel, Brazil etc. etc. Where is Pakistan??? A black dot on the world map.

yessss replied on Thursday, January 1, 2009 12:51 AM PST

BB and Zardari both made a pack with the devil from the West. They are puppets. Don't let a smile convince you that the smiler is not plotting your destruction. Hitler smiled !! Mousallini smiled !! Bush smiled !!

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mobin

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 01:52 AM PST

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current market rate of DHA Vallay??

>Can any body update about current market rates of DHA Valley?
>What is it's future?
>how much time it would take to become a profitable investment?

Hamid, Toronto replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:43 PM PST

Mobin Bhai,
In my opinion, it is very long term investment. It all depends on DHAI management, how fast they can hand over the developed plots but your investment is safe and sound.

From this website, I heard from others that DHAI management could not deliver DHAI-EXT-2 plots in promised time. I believe that people are still waiting for handover date for DHAI-EXT2 plots. I do have some investments in DHA Valley but I can hold it for long period of time.

asad replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 05:33 PM PST

any idea about current market rates for dha valley pls....

abo ali replied on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 07:08 PM PST

Asad bhai, DHA Valley is just jungal at this moment, untill know the value is same what you are paying to DHAI. Please wait for development and inshallah you will get good profit or inshallah no loss.

i read in news papers that 6 line express way to DHA Valley / Phase-2 Extension in process and its good sign, you have 3.5 years to pay the installment, i hope after 1 year more good news will come.

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Abrar

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 01:07 AM PST

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mo money

American Double Shah,..... a different kind of double shah. His name is Bernard Madoff. When he was arrested earlier this month, his fraud was estimated to 50 billion dollars, the largest fraud in history until now. His victims were all over the world and included banks and big corporations. mo money, mo money ..... no money.