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Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:44 PM PST 
Slow progress on development of phase 9

Dear All stakeholders of phase 9

With current pace of development it is not possible to deliver within 3 years. Which dha has promised. We should push Dha to do some thing.we should arrange a peacefull protes or At least every body can send a written complaint to ADHA regarding slow progress. It will build pressure on them. Hope fully they will do something. Just wait wait wait wait for next 8 years is very difficult.

KK® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:46 PM PST 

Dear User....still phase-8 is not developed and you are talking about 9

A.U.V® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 12:13 AM PST 

No one can pressurize dha

User_19762® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 12:41 AM PST 

if people can throw-out marshal law and army in recent incident in turkey then y not for dha if they dont deliver, lesson need to teach to all culprits.

Waseem® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 01:03 AM PST 

Forget phase-9 development, get ready for the shock which Real Estate Industry will take after this gov's tax measure.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 03:00 AM PST 

Since new taxes DHA bearing 200 lac loss per day. Not all pay DC charges in time. Definately this will slow down development processes.

Khalid Azad® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 10:33 AM PST 

Waseem and Ahmed sb I agreed with you. A big Slump in property business ahead. But no body wish to see it.
Here every body like to look previously hype that is not possible in near future. It's Slump more than 2005, Mark my words Get ready for big cut in property
prices even you will not find byers in market.

Real Estate is best replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 11:29 AM PST 

@Khalid Azad what a pessimist are you? Always crying slump slump in real estate market.May hell with you. on what agenda are you. pity

Babar Nazar Awan® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 02:05 PM PST 

i agree with "Real Estate is best" observations that our friend Mr Khalid Azad is always propagating negative vibes about the real estate business. Some ppl do have negative personalities.

Khalid Azad® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 03:00 PM PST 

My dear baber and real estate brother time will tell us ahead.
Its not our control I see behind big game that are hidden. Allah hafiz brother. I say sorry if some one feel my words. Allah Hafiz from to all friends.

Real Estate is best replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 03:11 PM PST 

have you given any divine powers by ALLAH that you are claiming to see the future. how can you be so sure. yes time will tell. we have faith in Allah and invested with faith on HIM.
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Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:25 PM PST 
Plot assessment

Lre team,pl assess my plot no 42,c sec prism lhr.it is on 150 ft Rd with front open towards golf course.thanks to all.
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(75282)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 07:41 PM PST 

Dear LRE team, Aoa I have plot in prism n block near 615 very close to oval complex. Pls tell me in your opinion what will be the price in next three years. Thanks much if you guide me.
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(75281)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 06:43 PM PST 
Dha 5 block M

dear bro.
Any Update above DHA 5 Block M
Thanks :h
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(75280)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 06:04 PM PST 
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(75276)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 03:50 PM PST 
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(75274)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 03:41 PM PST 
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(75272)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 03:10 PM PST 

Please evaluate 10 m Plot 2388 K block Phase 9 Prism. Thanks

Mian Fawad LRE® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 03:35 PM PST 

Market Value Of Your Plot No. 2388-K In
DHA Lahore Prism 9 Is Rs. 65-66 Lacs

Mian Fawad Ahmad
Lahore Real Estate
0302-4489001
Info@LREPK.Com
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(75271)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 02:41 PM PST 

DEAR LRE TEAM,

PLEASE ESTIMATE THE CURRENT MARKET PRICE.

DHA LAHORE

PLOT NO 796 S PHASE 8 ( ONE KANAL ON 70 FT ROAD )

PLOT NO 464 Y PHASE 8 ( FIVE MARLA )

THANKS

Khadim Hussain replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 02:53 PM PST 

Dear Akram Sb,

Current market value near S 796 is valued around 175 lacs

Evaluation near Y 464 is around 53 to 54 lacs



Khadim Hussain
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Lahore Real Estate
Email:INFO@LREPK
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(75270)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 01:39 PM PST 

[12:33 AM, 7/28/2016] DW +9233....: Sir Any update regarding yesterday's meeting with Government?

[12:38 AM, 7/28/2016] +1 (630) 802-4186: Talks in positive direction but no results yet.Soon inshaAllah
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(75269)
Thursday, July 28, 2016 01:36 PM PST 
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Consensus has reached between the representatives of real estate and FBR. Another amnesty scheme is on cards with a capital gain tax rate of 4% instead of 10%. Since the announcement of Federal Budget 2016-17, different news & views have been circulating in print media regarding revision in applicable taxes and the amended section 68 of Income Tax Ordinance 2001 for determining fair market value of the property to be purchased or transacted in the registrar office after June 30th 2016.

Many of us are still confused about the recent changes impacting the ream estate market. This has been elaborated below by an example followed by explanation:

Advance Income Tax (adjustable) on purchase of immovable property under Section 236-K increased from 1% to 2% for tax filers and from 2% to 4% for non-filers
Advance Tax (adjustable) on sale of immovable property under Section 236-C increased from 0.5 to 1% for filers and from 1 to 2% for non-filers
Capital Gains Tax (CGT) has undergone two major changes in terms of time frame and fair market valuation of sale price, which are summarized below:

a) CGT will be levied at the rate of 10% of difference between the fair market value at the time of sale and purchase if the property is sold within 5 years of its purchase.

b) Fair Market Value: The Finance Bill has inserted a sub section in Section-68 wherein the concerned Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) officer can refer a certain property for its fair valuation to valuators approved by State Bank of Pakistan. To this effect, State Bank has already issued relevant notification along with its approved list of valuators. Secondly, the Finance Bill specifically mentions that the current Deputy Commissioner (DC) rates do not bind FBR to use it as reference for property valuation. It is important to mention that under the Income Tax Ordinance, Commissioner had valuation powers but due to certain reasons, these powers were inoperative and consequently DC rate was used and accepted by FBR as the sale price for any property.

The examples below would better illustrate the impact of above amendments especially those made in the CGT.

For the sale of a 1 kanal residential plot in DHA Lahore from Phase I to VIII, which was bought and registered in the last 5 years, with its current average market value of PKR 20 million, seller will be paying Capital Gain Tax as below:

CGT = 10% of Market Value of Plot (MVP) – Declared Value of plot (DVP) at the time of purchase
DVP (in last 5 years) = DC Rate Value at the time of purchase = approx. 7 million/kanal (average DC Rate for DHA Lahore residential plots in Phase I, II, III, IV and V in the last 5 years)
So CGT = 10% of MVP (PKR 20 million) – DVP (PKR 7 million) = PKR 1.3 million

Also, remember that 1% and 2% Adjustable Advance Tax will be applicable on filers and non-filers respectively. For filers, it will be adjusted in terms of claiming credit when they file annual tax returns but for non-filers, it will be an additional cost of PKR 400,000 in the stated case. If Transfer Fees, CVT and Stamp Duty are added strictly as per the law, a minimum of PKR 2 million would be paid from July 1, 2016 onwards on the sale of every 1 kanal residential plot in DHA Phase I-VIII

Primarily, these changes in the tax statute are supposed to take black money (the untaxed money that was invested in the real estate sector) into account. The transactions took place at the DC rate, which in certain cases, especially for commercial plots, was ten times less than the fair market value of the property. For overseas investors who have to bring in their money through banking channels, the change in law should not be a cause of worry.

As far as the doubled withholding tax rates on sale and purchase of property are concerned, it is being done primarily to increase the cost real estate transactions for non-filers. Overseas investors, on the other hand, can file their annual income tax returns and claim the credit in advance taxes paid in their annual income tax returns.

In Property Tax 2016 view of the above discussion, a downward correction or a breather thereafter in the prices of the overall real estate in the country is eminent. However, the major impact of all these changes will be observed on the black-money holders and their strategy to park their untaxed money in high-tagged assets that enable them to launder the black money. The only impact on the market would be a reduction in the value of investments, however, that is merely a short-term effect, as the market is likely to regain equilibrium in the long run. It is expected that the market will grow slowly and steadily

ShahzadQamar® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 01:55 PM PST 

If market falls due to these irresponsible suddenly applied heavy jerk taxes, and then as per above post grow slowly & steadily, net result will be negligible gain - no profits. If market falls by 15 to 20% say 18% and then so called "slowly and steadily" gains at 5% per annum, it will take more than 3 years for the market to return to current
prices with zero profit for recent investments.

Habib replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 02:11 PM PST 

Market have already reacted and it is More evident in biiger Plots and Biana / Open File deals, However People who usualyy Transfer property in Their name intend to hold Long so I Don't see any major fall in Most of Properties

On the other hand investor will focus on small plots as there are less taxes and less hassles and usually value is less than 3 Million where withholding tax hits


As Momentum of the Market is Lost hence sort term Correction will be there, then possibly some recovery. Hence at 2.5 years
Prices will be almost same as today with some dip like 15 to 20% in between.

KK® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 02:20 PM PST 

I m overseas pakistani, if i purchased a plot two years ago in 10 million but DC rate at that time was 3.5 million, present worth is 20 million my net gain is 10 million but i have to pay capital gain tax on 16.5 million instead of 10 million. I means i have to pay capital gain tax for my capital investment as well, can any one clarify thanks

Habib replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 05:49 PM PST 

KK Looks You will have to pay 4% of Fair Market Value today But yet thing s are not Final

Kureshi® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 06:34 PM PST 

KK , you will probably have to pay tax at difference of dc rate and fair market value of that particular year ; not current fair market value. How and who will sweltering fair market value of 4 years back is still a big question.

Well , wait till 31st July and hopefully this will be demystified.

KK® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 07:55 PM PST 

I think DC rate is not relevant here,,,capital gain will be applicable on the difference of two fair market values at the time of purchase and sale.then they have to define market values for the last five years

User_9629® replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 09:54 PM PST 

Everyone has to convert money parked in property to white money with in given period. Whether he doesn't intend to sale / purchase. This is the purpose of amnesty .
Between basically amnesty was available until now. And now is gonna finish :).

Another point after amnesty period finish and everyone wealth exposed then the real game starts.

Enjoy mates.

Well wisher replied on Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:00 PM PST 

Who will pay 1.5 or 2 million tax on 1 kanal plot...is it a joke or an act of killing real Estate market or an act to transfer trillions of Rs outside the country....these taxes if imposed are totally a nonsense & a biggest blunder...
Already people were paying heavy taxes especially in lahore before these emendments in property tax...already pepole were paying around 3 lacs tax on a 150 lac plot buying
It is requested to the concerned authorities to please implement previous tax system immediately if anyone wants gain from real Estate sector,both government & investors

User_6006® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 12:28 AM PST 

Gain tax 1.3 million on 200 lac property is so high , no matter what was rate at time of purchase , people move away from property for sure , 1.3 matter a lot for 200 million plot holder similarly 1 lac will matter a lot on property below 16 lac . i think govt knew people will weep so put 10% they will come to 4% goal achieved , people and dealer lost . just imagine slump era with that much taxes , people will find nothing to invest , new dealers will die from hunger , old dealers will move away from pakistan

Waseem® replied on Friday, July 29, 2016 01:15 AM PST 

Its looks like government will take all the profit while people invest OR the formula in CMY's post is horribly wrong.
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