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(72943)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:32 PM PST 
For Sale @ UPN, and Buying Requirements

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(72942)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:05 PM PST 
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(72941)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:04 PM PST 
Property tax

Dear all
How do see the effect of proposed tax @ 5 ~ 8 % on property transaction in federal budget 2016 .
Comments please

Chaudhry Waqas replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:09 PM PST 

Extremely disastrous. It will discourage many short to medium term property investors which are infact the majority in this business. It seems that the honeymoon period is way over now and tough times ahead for the property holders and investors

Shuaib replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:22 PM PST 

Is it true ?? This will be biggest crime of this noon gunna after 90s foreign currency account freeze. Waqas sahab agar ye hogya to phir rates ka kya hoga ??

humayun replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:53 PM PST 

This question really need input from property guru like CMY sahib. thanx in advance

Darwaish replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:14 PM PST 

It will discourage speculative buying and selling. The
prices have gone out of reach for genuine buyers who want to have a piece of land for their house construction. Let us support this tax move and help our country and countrymen.

M Zahid® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:35 PM PST 

There are already few taxes levied on property transaction,
a) Capital value tax (CVT)
b) Stamp duty
c) Advance tax
d) Bank charges which are suppose to go to 0.6%.
The proposal is being discussed 2% for non filers and some sources quoting 6% but if implemented then it will clearly have impact on remittance investment into property.
If the profit is to be docketed in govt pockets then who will bring investment to Pakistan if there is no gain or very meagre gain.

FBR replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:35 PM PST 

Impossible that govt would be imposing that high percentage tax on transaction of property. Govt is already under pressure they will avoid any of such moves to earn the wrath of massess

Babar Awan replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:02 PM PST 

PMLN govt is considered as business friendly govt, but their current tenure has been marked with scandals, imposing high percentage of taxes etc. Businesses have not boomed as expected except their own, roads etc. however, at the last leg of their tenure, imposing such high tax will hurt them in next elections, so probably they will avoid.

Muhammad Asif® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:08 PM PST 

It will not only effect real estate but also foreign remittance to certain extent.
Lets wait & see.

Arif replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:31 PM PST 

Ishaq dar has completely failed in overhauling the economy. Considering their recent track record, imposing such tax is not impossible for them. They have to do it to collect more taxes and to please IMF guys. Lets see what happens.

humayun replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 07:41 PM PST 

Dear ahsan sahab! Kindly tell us that what is the source of this news.i shall be really greatful.

Mustafa replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 08:47 PM PST 

Such taxes are not imposed by governments as we get closer to the elections. The fact that this tax will not be imposed will give a huge jump to the property when it witnessed the joy of no new taxes. It is common to create fear of additional taxes and then surprise the nation with no new taxes near election years. This strategy is tried and tested worldwide. Also, with people like Donald Trump contesting elections in the US, we should expect A LOT of overseas money to flow into property in Pakistan till November. After, Hillary and if she wins the election as expected the property will stabilize for a year. The fundamentals are in favour of money flowing into Pakistan so not too much to worry at the moment.

AhmetKildir® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 09:10 PM PST 

May kuch boloonga in choron kay baaray may to bolain gaye kay bolta hai :P

Shuaib replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 09:23 PM PST 

@Kildir

Boss its an open forum.. aap bolain (within tehzeeb aap kuch bhi keh sakte ;-) which i m sure you will.

NT replied on Thursday, May 5, 2016 02:31 AM PST 

Source please?

There is no such proposal under review for budget, I think Ahsan is creating hype on this issue.

Jameel Mughal® replied on Thursday, May 5, 2016 04:45 AM PST 

The Tax will open gate for more biana and open file sellers and will discourage real buyers, Govt may be doing it to slow down property business as for last 3 yeats there is no stop and if bubble bursts then also Govts are held responsible. Today People are ready to buy Flats in 3 to Cror in Lahore. These people will regret when these Flats will be handed over.
still it is a rumor and I am sure there will be some bargain like happened in 0.3% Tax on Bank transactions.
In 1994 The Tax on the transfer of property was 20% or more at that time DC rates were not there. We Bought a plot in 180K [documented Value] and real value about 300K we Paid about 30 K transfer fees out of which 28K were stamp papers,
The Govt did a lot of reforms and rate was decreased and boom of 2000 to 2005 happened it was co Factor, in 2007 I transferred a plot in Valencia 19 Merla in 27K transfer fess etc, price was 2.7 Million. Today you will pat about 6 lac transfer.
If you talk of 6,7% all is Possible people pay 30% Tax after selling houses in Europe. [deferred Tax]
People of Pakistan need to learn Tax Culture

Reborn® replied on Thursday, May 5, 2016 05:02 AM PST 

I think this news is leaked by govt to check the reaction. Again 5-8% will be reduced to 3-5% like they did for filer,non filer thing 0.6 reduced to 0.3%.
This tax will be imposed on us.
Plus we cannot compare West taxes, as they provide facility to their citizens also.
Idher tu nahanay k liay pani ka tanker bhi apnay paison sai kharidna perta hai.

Babar Awan replied on Thursday, May 5, 2016 01:38 PM PST 

@Jameel Mugha, good point by you, that european people pay 30% Tax after selling houses in Europe. [deferred Tax] & People of Pakistan need to learn Tax Culture, i would suggest then the Pak Govt also need to learn european govts culture, means as they spend on welfare of people etc

Nawaz replied on Friday, May 6, 2016 11:11 AM PST 

@AhmetKildir, Boss aap bilkul theek theek sumjhay. Kum az kum aik chor ko choron kay baray mein bolnay ka haq nahin.
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(72940)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:56 PM PST 
Price assessment

Dear LRE Team
Please give price assessment of 4 marla CCA Phase 6 near plot no 110. Thanks.

LRE® replied on Thursday, May 5, 2016 02:19 PM PST 

Dear Sir,

Phase 6 CCA (4 marla ) near 110 is around 6 crore


SALMAN MAQSOOD
+923224009967
LAHORE REAL ESTATE
EMAIL:INFO@LREPK.COM
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(72939)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:32 PM PST 
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(72937)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:17 PM PST 

Taxes are a nightmare for most people, especially for those who aren’t used to paying them. However, like almost everything else, there are both negative and positive aspects of a new tax and, if implemented correctly, taxes can be highly beneficial for the welfare of the nation.

Well, the time to ponder over taxes is upon us once again. The Budget 2016-17 is currently being drafted and will be presented in June as usual. While it may bring several positive changes in government spending, it seems like property investors are preparing for stifling developments.

According to sources, property transactions will be taxed at 5% for tax filers and at 8% for tax non-filers. This kind of tax rate can be rather burdensome for hefty property transactions and significantly hinder investment activity.

However, if our nightmare becomes a reality (which it probably will), property investors can still live with the help of an oxygen mask. It may not be the time yet to count their last breaths.

So how will the new property tax to be announced soon influence the real estate market? Here is my take on it.

Less property flipping

One of the activities causes property real estate prices to escalate is property flipping. Property flipping involves an investor vigilantly investing in an option for a short period of time, quickly selling it off when they realise a profit, and then buying something else almost immediately. This kind of frequent activity causes an escalation in investor activity, which consequently drives up prices.

However, as the tax rate for each property transaction will now be rather high, property flipping may decrease noticeably. While this can be a positive aspect and keep rates affordable for genuine buyers, it will harm investor and estate agent profits.

Squeezed profit margins

Profit margins for investment in real estate will substantially decrease because of the tax rate. Although the previous point explained the reduction in investment activity, profit margins will still be less than what they potentially could be without the tax even if activity is infrequent.

Not only will this be unattractive for investors, it will also place an additional burden on genuine buyers who will have to arrange finances to account for their share of the tax.

Long-term ownership

The levying of the tax means that it will be inconvenient to hold property for a short period of time. This is because the slight escalation in prices will not make up for the tax that is levied on property transactions. Thus, investors are likely to hold onto property for longer periods of time.

Therefore, prices will remain in check and not escalate as quickly as they did in the past. This can be interpreted as good news for the genuine buyer but not for the average investor.

While all of this sounds harsh, the least we can do is hope that the tax revenue will be used wisely and benefit the nation. Moreover, tax non-filers should file their tax returns immediately in order to avail the lower tax rate.

For now, investors must keep going, even with oxygen masks attached. We wish you the best of luck and hope that the property market remains as lucrative as it has been lately!

 

Asif replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:27 PM PST 

So now whenever people want to buy plot/home they have to give pocket money to "London babies", :-)
The day Govt. starts spending tax on people, Pakistanies will pay tax happily.

Chaudhry Waqas replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:07 PM PST 

This will indeed be a disaster for the property investors. Property
prices will definitely halt or even decline after this takes place.

Aa replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:51 PM PST 

Asif how do you think all the roads that benefit your property investments are built?

Sheikh® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:55 PM PST 

Well not to be worried as now property
prices will be quoted accordingly like +8% still heaven for non filers for easy Black money parking...till the DC not increased these things not affect anyone...in Lahore outside DHA almost all areas value are near to their DC value now but DHA is still tax evaders heaven...DHA prices now increase 8 % more pahle 100 ka letay thay ab 108 ka lein gein...

Asif replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:20 PM PST 

@Aa .. with a small tiny % of collected taxes :-)

It is not that they build roads and eventually our property investments get appreciated. It is other way round.. we buy properties where they have intentions to build infrastructure... coz we know where is their vote bank :-)...
sorry let me correct my words "The day Govt. starts spending 100% taxes on people, Pakistanies will pay taxes happily.

Arif replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:22 PM PST 

Sheikh, bhai mere it is not as simple as you think it is. Article truly points that the new tax will reduce trading activity. Short term trading will no more be possible. 5,10 lac k profit k sath ap cheex nahi bech sko gay q k agr ap ne cheex 100 ki li thi aur ap esay 110 ka bechtay ho to 8 lac to tax ma gya, 2 lac transfer charges. bachay ga kuch b nahi.

MASA replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:46 PM PST 

Arif very rightly said... sheikh said 100 ki cheez 108 me... bhai mere agar aap 3 mahene baad 100 ki cheez 108 me... to 108 wala aglay 3 mahene wohi cheez market me 117-118 ki lgaae ga... and it goes on.. its just not possible k ek tax k peeche ek saal me property 100% raise ker jae. so i agree with arif... short term trading will die with it if happens

M Zahid® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:53 PM PST 

Open file is secret recipe for short term trading. Authorities will resort to open file system to keep their bread and butter going. Don't panic and weight for the budget.

Reborn® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 08:01 PM PST 

Short term investors will disappear.
Problems ahead for bayana party.
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Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:10 PM PST 
SAFARI GARDEN INFORMATION

Ad Type
City
For Sale
Lahore
Hello brothers
I want to buy 8 marla plot on instalment in safari garden for three years investment.can u give me some usefull information about this project .is this safe or good for long term investment? Please give your kindinformaton especially LRE management.thanks

Naveed ahmed replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:58 PM PST 

Location is good between Raiwind Road and Ferozpur Road, near its sorroundings are well reputed with all facilities. Hajvery Builders are already done good work in past. Land is in pocession with them So the future would be bright.

Raza replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:29 PM PST 

If developer deliver it in record time with good development than the
prices certainly rises. 4 year installment plan is suitable for salary persons.

Arif replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 06:13 PM PST 

Is it a developed society with some new blocks offered on installment?? What is cash price of possession plot there (if any??).

Bahria EMC is 25 lac for 5 marla. so 13-15 lac is reasonable price and that too with 4 year installment plan. Question is do they have land in hand or not.. lda Approved or not ?

Iqbal replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 07:43 PM PST 

@Arif
12Lac is Total price for 5marla including development charges. 4 year installment plan. Machinery is in Work, work is already started at site. The land is in hand and file is already submitted for approval in LDA.

Location is also good. You can look a nice change in this area after few years.

Iqbal replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 07:46 PM PST 

The own of commercials of 150ft Road is around 10Lac to 15Lac already after closing of bookings.

aamer replied on Thursday, May 5, 2016 04:03 PM PST 

may I know the price of 5 marla commercial plot on 150 ft
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(72934)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 12:44 PM PST 
Evaluate

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Cur. Rate
Lahore
DHA
9
Dear LRE Team / Members of the Forum,


Kindly evaluate my DHA Prism 1 kanal plot N-318 and 10 Marla J-258. Also advise whether to hold or sell.
Thanks.

LRE® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:21 PM PST 

Market Value Of Your Plot No near J 258 is around 58 to 60 lacs included 1st installment paid



MIAN FAWAD AHMED
+923024489001
LAHORE REAL ESTATE
EMAIL:INFO@LREPK.COM

mian irfan replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 08:35 PM PST 

N 318 is around 87lac including 1st installment
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(72933)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 08:23 AM PST 

Dear LRE team
Any chance of up rise in DHA 9town this month?
When there is development start.

Mustafa replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 09:22 AM PST 

Yes. The
prices are increasing in Phase 7 and DHA Town finally!
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(72931)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:07 AM PST 
Central Park Housing Society

I shall be obliged if someone could inform whether sui gas is available in the society or not. Thanks

progress replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:32 AM PST 

yes..sui gas is there with 1 kanal plots and 10 merla in good blocks.
prices r going up dayy by day due to lots of construction.
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(72930)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:43 AM PST 

Multan Dha has increased almost 20% in less then 6 months from November till today, still big news to come which is nearly there and few silly people are saying its stagnant. What else do you need in property investment by keeping yourself as on safe side aswell? You cant find secure investment like this. I am not agent not even live in Pakistan just trying to deliver my message to people who might could get benefit out of it. I bought file for 28 lakhs its almost 33 lakhs according to DHA Multan official website. Do not listen to these immature meaning less people just think what suits you. I am happy with my investment, I do remember when I invested in Prism I was looking the prices on this forum for almost daily and and it was same frustrating as it might be Multan now, But my patience paid me in Prism and InshAllah same I am expecting in Multan. Rest Allah Knows the bes

Ashfaq® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:07 AM PST 

Jazzaak Allaah Khair..........

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:24 AM PST 

Only few 100 affidavit
files left. Prices will go more high in few weeks. Wapda town is next to DHA Multan location where 1 Kanal plot price is 100+. Map will be good as no village exists in that area. Mostly land acquired by big landlords. No stay, no delay and less chances of bad location plots. Must pay 50000 membership fee to include file in August balloting. Although Installment plots price will be 55 but own price will be high. After ballot I don't see any plot less than 65 to 70 exclude development charges.

Surfer replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:10 AM PST 

Be patience Kb20 sb. Be patience. In multan you need much much more patience. But keep it up with sprit. But kindly give some time to publicise your repeated post. Of praising Multan.

KB20 replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 04:24 AM PST 

Surfer Sb I have lot of patience trust me I have been away from mother land almost from 20 years and I am 39 I have spent more life in abroad then my mother land. Which might could prove you how patient I will be but I can't tolerate nonsense when people think they are smart but may other people take other way around hope you understand. I didn't mentioned your name in my previous post just said few silly people and hope you are not one of them. You need time to understand my logic behind this message. Have a nice sleep Shabakhair

Surfer replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 06:09 AM PST 

KB bhai "In sha ALLAH" I pray for you to come back as soon as possible to you motherland PAKISTAN. I also pray not only you get good gains in Multan but as well as you get all good plots against your
files.
"In sha ALLAH" soon you got good news regarding Multan. But my suggestion for you is sell your file on peak rate and come back in PRISM. As soon as possible.

Ejaz_EJ® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:10 AM PST 

Guys,
Yesterday i got a reply from DHA admin on there official Facebook page and they stated that within a month time they will
update their status on launching,
Actually no doubt Prism is a good investment as it is balloted, but dont forget it was started back in 2003, while Multan has just taken its start 2 years back,
Just wait till the launch and then you may start a discussion in either way, if a project not even launched we cant say that it is a failed project,

If u Go on ground realities of DHA Multan you can see that development is going on and as Mr. CMY has mentioned before that it is correction proof investment and jas a great potential to increase, so what else is required to an investor more than this.
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(72929)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:34 AM PST 
Evaluate

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Cur. Rate
Lhr
Dha
7
S
956
21AA
Aoa, DEAR HASSAN RAZA PLS EVALUATE MY PLOT near to S-956 21 MARLA CORNER PHASE 7.

LRE® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:40 AM PST 

AOA
Dear Sir
Your Plot Worth
DHA Lahore Phase7
S 956 Corner 145 Lacs to 150 Lacs

Hassan Raza Lahore Real Estate
info@lrepk.com
03028449766
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(72928)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:03 AM PST 
Property Tax Burden.

From June 2016.
According to sources, property transactions will be taxed at 5% for tax filers and at 8% for tax non-filers. Clearly 1 caror plot will cost 8% + 1% commission + transfer fee + misc= 11+ lac.

Please comment how do you see this will effect?

:pkf :pkf :pkf

Mousa replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:10 AM PST 

Not 8 percent its 2 percent.

Ekrar® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:13 AM PST 

In such a scenario, short term investors will suffer a lot ...in fact short term investment will cease to exist!
However
prices may suffer as some people will try to stay away from investment in property...
But such a tax is unlikely to increase to such a huge proportion!

FBR replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:32 AM PST 

Not true. No such tax is under consideration

Awais Ibraheem replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:33 AM PST 

So kiddish and meaningless analysis by Ekrar

Darwaish replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 01:40 AM PST 

It would be very good move by the tax man. A lot of revenue would be generated by the Government. And it will discourage speculative short term investments in property. The property insanity will decrease to some extent. Good for common man earning in Pakistan and wishing for a living in slightly better environment.

Jk replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:06 AM PST 

please do not disrespect or degrade others if people opinions are indifferent from you Mr Awais

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 03:14 AM PST 

Who will determine property value. If this applies, it will be on DC value. Such tax is already there.

Ekrar® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 05:05 AM PST 

Awais....please behave urself n do some analysis /criticism instead of belaboring upon the same thing that '9 ext will increase' with insanity!

Awais Ibraheem replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:40 AM PST 

Ekrar 9-ext. is increasing like insanity and burning you like hell my ignorant stubborn minded and resilient child
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(72925)
Wednesday, May 4, 2016 12:05 AM PST 
968 M - Phase 9 Prism

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Cur. Rate
Lahore
DHA
9 Prism
M
968
1K
Dear LRE Team, Can you advise current market price of 968M - Phase 9 Prism - 1 Kanal (1st instalment paid). Purchased it few months back but for some reason don't have good feelings about the location. Should i hold or sell? Thanks for your help & advice.

LRE® replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 02:45 PM PST 

Market Value Of Your Plot No near 968-M Is 72 Lacs included 1st installment paid


SALMAN MAQSOOD
+923224009967
LAHORE REAL ESTATE
EMAIL:INFO@LREPK.COM
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(72924)
Tuesday, May 3, 2016 11:30 PM PST 
Kindly Evaluate 55 F Block - Bahria Orchard

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
For Sale
Lahore
Bahria Orchard
Orchard
F
55
5
80 feet
Kindky evaluate my plot
55 F Block @ 80 Feet Road
Bahria Orchard

Regards
AQ Qazi

UPN replied on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 06:39 PM PST 

Dear Qazi Sahib,

Plot’s actual Current Marketable Price Range (CMPR) for direct clients/ end user is:
37 to 38 lacs

Investors offer around:
35 to 36 lacs with 4 to 6 weeks time
We can try to sell through one of these options.

Best Regards,
Universal Property Network (UPN)
(Affiliated with
Lahore Real Estate)
22 A, Main Boulevard Commercial
(In Front Of Roshaan Center, Near Green Pharmacy)
Sector C
Bahria Town, Lahore
+ (Whatsapp Text)
+ To 16
email:
http://www.ourupn.com
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