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(62019)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 06:30 PM PST 

Dear CMY Sb. AOA. When will be the plot numbered map of DHA Ph 9 Prism be available to public?

Zaidi replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:06 PM PST 

Good Question...

Shahzad Qamar replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 12:03 AM PST 

after ballot
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(62018)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 06:04 PM PST 
DHA 9 TOWN POSSESSION

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Dear CMY,
as per your today previous post explaining ballot procedure you mentioned if Gen. Raheel Sharif is invited as chief guest he will give possession to shudah families of DHA 9 Town.....

Does that mean 9 Town possession is on 15th May 2015??

Please clear the confusion as previously it was expected some time end of next month??

Many Thanks

:1) :1)

E.A replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 06:27 PM PST 

Dear Izhaq,
most probably on 15th May they will announce possession date which may be the next month.

so be ready for big gains on possession news.

Thanks
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(62017)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:27 PM PST 
Prism 9

Dear CMY,

Trying to get your professional advice:

I have 4 files for 1 Kanal in Prism 9, after development can I contstruct a house on 2 Kanal or is there any restriction by DHA to build house only on 1 Kanal?

Secondly, what's your advice? sould I keep all these residentional plots after development or should buy one 8 marla commercial after selling them. Which option can give the maximum financial benifit?

Thanks,
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(62016)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:26 PM PST 
Related to Dubai Properties

From Habib realted to Dubai Properties

Dear Dubai.
I am also in UAE and I considered this when there was Crash of property in 2011, 2012. It was right time though.
I did not do that, One Strong argument was that Property buying and selling time is not as per your wishes, it is cyclic business if you buy now in 1.5 Million Dhs. And then due to some reason you have to wind up ,and reach dealer , I want to sell this month … You can’t say how much price you get, my be 1 million. You may get favorable price in after 2 years [during next boom], But you can’t hold that long. If it is Pakistan I will hold it and not sell.
There are many reasons of Quick wind up [I wish you will not have]
1/ you lose good Job.
2/ Medical Not clear this year they discover you had Subtle TB.[ My friend in Sharjah’s wife was refused after 15 ys of stay all family had to go he is Living alone]
3/ Was Caught in Fight with XYZ
4/ CID says you are so and so sect, go home now [It happened with one of my friend Dentist very thorough gentleman]
5/ Was caught in driving had some small accident, Unfortunately was under mild Alcohol Influence.[One of my friend's elder son all family had to go altogether]
6/ One retired Person [From Adnoc] invested all in Property there was massive fall in Price he got very sick and I don’t know what happened, his daughter was my Colleague in Pakistan.
The Property Prices are not going up and up in Dubai as in Pakistan the reason is Old Buildings lose their value fast in UAE.
Initially Maintenance is hidden and they say maintenance free or very low cost 3 years. And then you discover they are asking 30% of rental value as maintenance charges and this correct as well that these buildings are high maintenance cost design.
I tell you my experience
In 2012 when there was rental crash one tower was asking 60% of rental value as maintenance + Ac Charge, The Company Argument was right that if rents have crashed how can we decrease maintenance to that proportion. It was Nicely Built Building and price in Boom was 1.6 Million I was getting in 8 Lac only. As I am not living in Dubai But in other emirate. The only option was to rent for almost nothing or Keep it for holiday use. It was quite likely but I was Not sure when next boom will come as people was saying there is Maaaaasssive over supply of Property in Dubai [which I still believe it is true], I did Not go for that.
The last thing it is not right time to invest, {as per cyclic phenomenon]
I have many friends who bought there
30% Lost money bitterly
30% could get out with minimal loss [one had to hold 5 years and had to postpone immigration to Canada he had strong family support was sacked twice from job but due to connections got next job]
30% are living there and tell we are saving our rents Ok not bad
10% earned great

SIM replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:23 PM PST 

Good description of overall scenario by Habib sahib. Living in UAE last 15 years, I never felt comfortable investing in property.

dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:25 PM PST 

thank you Habib sb for yur detailed insight....you have cleared my mind. to be very honest I was also feeling insecure about investing in a place where I have no rights no citiznship even if i stay all my life. better to just rent and pass time

buy123 replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:26 PM PST 

gr8 post habib
this is a bitter reality .... ppl get lost in dubai's glam too soon and realize n regret laterz

Amir Khan replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:50 PM PST 

Dear Habib Saheb,

You are so right in your deliberations. My father served in Abu Dhabi for 28 years and after all this time still had to return as expat. I am working since 20 years now and have grown up here as second generation Pakistani. I still consider it insecure because everything here is tied to your job. The day you lose your job, all your rights and privileges vanish into thin air. UAE is a very safe, secure and stable country to live and raise your family. But you will never be citizen here. Actually uncertainty, job insecurity and fear of the unknown affects most expats here and across all nationalities. As Pakistanis, we need to invest and contribute in the progress and development of our country, so that economic conditions improve and quality of life becomes better. Mantra is to invest in property, quality education for the kids and and plan for your retirement. You never know when it's all over in the Gulf. So make the most of your time. As they say make hay while the sun shines. May Allah SWT guide, protect and bless all of us in our underatkings.

Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 06:12 PM PST 

I have two properties in Dubai and I'd invest in more if I had the money. The quality of construction here is much better than in the UK. Rental income is great. Tourism is slow this year because of oil
prices but should be better by Q3 of this year when the prices stabilize and the weather gets better.

Do keep in mind that Expo2020 will being more than 40 million visitors to Dubai. A lot of them will invest in Dubai property. Prices nowadays are peanuts compared to what they would be in five years.

Rest, up to you. I am a bull and Dubai is my yard.

Rana replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 07:35 PM PST 

Salam to all,

@Ahmet, brother how can you be sure that 40 million people would visit and even if they visit, would they come Dubai to buy property or to visit just exhibition as many tourists and businessmen are coming Dubai everyday.

Many people those who were having eye on Dubai immo market were thinking once Burj would be ready Dubai will gloom again, but this didn't happen.

I personally don't think that Dubai would gloom as was doing.

where ever you live are plus and minus points but I observed MASHAALLAH people busy in property in Pakistan gained much higher %age of their RIZAK than anyother place in the world.

Slump in properties in whole world came but even than you might see in last 10 years time where people gained most, one of the best gainer on earth is PAK. too even in bad circumstances of security and law & order.

People like me too spending their best period of life(youth) either alone or with very short family, rest whole world leaving behind and missing their company. Just going to homeland when their beloved ones die or some other emergency. Living in Europe or America, people don't enjoy much of Fridays, Ramadan, even Eids. Everything doing if doing just by running.

Best for each if can is his own homeland. How many mothers missing their kids, how many kids missing their fathers, how many wives missing their husbands?????? And just for money, more money?????

Ok brothers and sisters I finish now just saying words of ALMIGHTY who made us, " DON'T WORRY ABOUT RIZAK BUT ABOUT MY IBADAH"

Wasalm,

Jmn replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:07 PM PST 

Request to all participants, leave the subject of Dubai and please spend your energies and use the efforts to build Pakistan, and think of Pakistan. Look for the right party to vote, choose right person for leadership. Make Pakistan better place for next generation to come keeping in mind that we have suffered a lot and will not let suffer to our children.
Thanks to all and sorry if anyone does not like my comments.

Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:22 PM PST 

I agree with Mr. JMN.

let's discuss Pakistan property here. I invest in both countries and am well aware of the pros and cons of investing in both the countries. However, that's a discussion for a different forum. This forum is best suited for
Lahore Real Estate. If anyone wants to discuss Dubai property in detail, we can discuss in a different platform.

DubaiHills replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:14 PM PST 

Ahmet sb,

I will appreciate if you could guide me on another Dubai property.

I bought an off-plan 2-bed apartment in Dubai Hills in Mulberry @Park Heights in 2014. So far there has not been any increase at all in the price due to the overall correction going on in the market.

I can potentially hold it till handover. DO you think it is a good investment for 2-3 years? or should I sell it off and move on to a better place?

thanks

Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:29 PM PST 

I am not sure if I should. I dont want to be kicked out by Mr. CMY for discussing non-Pakistani related property here :)

I'll take the risk hoping I wont get blocked.

Mulberry Hills
prices were inflated at launch as the new 'Mall of the World ' mega project was supposed to be launched next to it. However the location of the project had shifted to Sufouh Road now opposite to Mall of the Emirates.

However! The location of Dubai Hills is excellent. Dubai property goes through 3 year booms and 3 year corrections. Currently its in its 2nd year of correction. I am sure that your property due to its excellent location will sell at a premium above OP by 2017. By is when its price will peak (should be at least 30%-40% higher than the bottom price in 2016). 2019 is when you should sell it. If you have the holding power 'keep it till 2019'. If not, sell it.

Jameel replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:35 PM PST 

Extremely busy today, needs full article will try to give detail but my opinion is Like Habib and Amir Khan at least at this time as it is near peak again, very dangerous market.

DubaiHills replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:42 PM PST 

Thanks Ahmet ab, this is great frank advice not normally available otherwise.

CMY is kind enough to let us do one or two out of topic discussions :)

Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:59 PM PST 

No issues janaab. Off plan has its advantages and it's disadvantages. I was never able to afford off plan so stuck to mortgaging properties. I would love to read Mr. Jameels overview of the market though I doubt I'd agree to it. I think the
prices will peak in . After that we might see a slowdown post Expo2020 (unless Dubai wins the Olympic bid or the Qatar 2022 has a significant impact on Dubais econom).

Baba G replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 01:18 PM PST 

Asalam o alaikum,

Nice to read @habib. also Ahmet, I was born in UAE, Living in UAE for middle class is like, complete ur high school in dubai, go to pak make Degree Masters or Doctor. Come back to Dubai find a good job. earn money and go back to Pakistan, or jump to USA or Urope.
I live here but I invested in
DHA lahore. Iam very happy from it.I still cannot make my mind to buy property in UAE. still.May be later.

Ahmet replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 02:46 PM PST 

I agree with Mr. Amir Khan, we all work very hard to earn our living. Its the job of the government to protect us from the land mafias. However what if the government itself is the land mafia? Most of my dad's life time savings was in a 4 kanal plot in Model Town. A local government official (Chief Minister's close buddy) leased the plot from us to build a school over it. It was a 5 year lease and now they refuse to leave the plot or even pay rent. They are now claiming that the land is theirs and we need to stop bothering them. I watched my dad's health deteriorate because of the ongoing legal battle. It really hurts but there's nothing we can do about it. I would never 'EVER' invest outside DHA and thats because the only institution I trust in Pakistan is the army.
As for the UAE, I love the place. Its like my 2nd home. I have been dealing in property here for the last 10 years. I am sure enough to put a lot of my money on it that the property
prices here will double by Expo2020. Just wait and watch.
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(62015)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:06 PM PST 
SALE A POT

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Block
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Size
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For Sale
LAHORE
DHA
7
V
1059
ONE KANAL
110 LACS
I want to sell this plot .please contact me

mahmad replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 07:18 PM PST 

How come one can
contact you?

riaz replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 02:08 AM PST 

please ring me on or 0n email
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(62014)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:44 PM PST 
Misled Dealing by dealers

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Lahore
DHA
9
Affidavit
5
Dear CMY,

I am looking for your kind reply and possible help. I am living in Riyadh, KSA>

I have paid token on April 06, 2015 to one of dealer in DHA market for 5 marla DHA phase 9 affidavit but till that date he has been giving me excuses and saying that DHA is delaying it, so you have to wait till whenever they issue File. (I have documentary prove of token)

They have wasted our time and opportunity cost to hold 2100,000 in my bank account from a month n half.

I wanted to know what are my options to solve this matter.

Thanking you in anticipation,

Regards,

M.N

mahmad replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:55 PM PST 

In Pakistan....if you are decent shareef insaan , then i doubt you can even take back token :)

However if you are some badmash type with contacts then you may get double of your token money.

asim replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:31 PM PST 

Don't worry I got intimation after one month just ask u agent to give u 6500 slip which he got when he deposit affidavit in dha ...... If he gave it to u he has deposit the affidavit in dha u will get intimation soon or later....and if he 80 not giving the slip than he is playing with u
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(62012)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:25 PM PST 
Wapda Town Phase III Multan

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Wanted
Multan
Wapda Town
III
03
5
I am interested to buy files of wapda town Multan phase III :

02 files 05 marla
01 file 10 marla

Please let me know the availability and the price at earliest.


Best regards,
Ismail

MNM replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:53 PM PST 

Apologies for asking this but to us overseas non-multanis it would seem
DHA Multan file was better than Wapda Town phase 3. Can you share please if you know something we don't know.

Maroon replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:28 PM PST 

DHA Multan is better but that does not mean other schemes will not exist. Wapda town is pioneer in Multan for starting such schemes. They may have better location but I think at the end it will not matter as DHA is bigger name and their development standards are lot better. People will trust DHA with their money as compared to anyone else.

MNM replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:13 PM PST 

Thanks.....

Qasim replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 03:19 AM PST 

Wapda town is good investment in low budget and plot
files are also available on installment
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(62011)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:13 PM PST 
6 marla house for sale Imperial Garden Paragon

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Paragon Imperial Garden
Barki Road
7,900,000
Newly built 3 bed room. Beautiful location. :forsale:

Navid replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 03:06 AM PST 

overpriced....sell it @70
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(62010)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:27 PM PST 

Dear jameel sb,

Although the question is not related to Lahore. I hope admin will allow me to post.Jmeel bhai I understand that yu live in UAE. Im also living in Dubai and currently in the thinking process whether to mortgage a apartment here or not?? im sure yu will be having an eye on real estate in Dubai also...plz advice is it a good time to Mortgage??? or market will go through correction owing to Oil prices slump?

Regards

Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:00 PM PST 

If your buying to live, there's never a bad time to buy in Dubai. If for investment, I'd suggest buy within the next 3 months.
Prices in Dubai are almost near the bottom. As the Expo2020 approaches, you will not get the same prices again.

flex01 replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:24 PM PST 

I am also interested in exploring the same. Any comments from Jameel Sb or other people having first hand dubai experience would be appreciated.

flex01 replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:24 PM PST 

I am also interested in exploring the same. Any comments from Jameel Sb or other people having first hand dubai experience would be appreciated.

dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:27 PM PST 

im buying to live... however very high transfer cost plus commission is my cause for concern...it will cost almost 8 percent of total value of property upfront....thats too much...

Irfan Doha replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:36 PM PST 

first of all if you do mortage only go with islamic finance such as Tamweel,
I have been active in Dubai property for past 7 years, my advise is to go with lower price and so that you could do finance of only 50% or less and go with agreesive payment plan, this way you will protect yourself.

you may
contact me on irfan778 @ hotmail for any specific advise

dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:48 PM PST 

thanks Irfan sb..... I will surely
contact yu through e mail...

Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:25 PM PST 

I have 2 properties in JLT, both financed through ADIB. Why I like them is they dont shoot up the markup after the first 3 years. Its probably because they are quite liquid unlike the Dubai banks.

dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:42 PM PST 

Ahmet sb.... which areas do yu recommend for living purpose only and also which gains in value also with time... my work is in Free zone JAFZA... JLT is a bit expensive I suppose :)

dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:24 PM PST 

thanks... everybody keep on recommending Remraam... i have been there to have a look...the place looked deserted..although inside they have made it liveable.... JVC i like bcoz of access to major roads (sheikh mohammed bin zayed/ Alkhail)...thanks for the input... really appreciate

DubaiHills replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:12 PM PST 

Ahmet sb,

I will appreciate if you could guide me on another Dubai property.

I bought an off-plan 2-bed apartment in Dubai Hills in Mulberry @Park Heights in 2014. So far there has not been any increase at all in the price due to the overall correction going on in the market.

I can potentially hold it till handover. DO you think it is a good investment for 2-3 years? or should I sell it off and move on to a better place?

thanks
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(62009)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 12:55 PM PST 
Definition: On ground

Can some one help me understand the meaning of..

What is an "On ground" plot.

saima replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:03 PM PST 

any plot not file which has a number and can be seen on a map or on
location

MS replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:03 PM PST 

On ground refers to physically existent possession plot and not just a piece of paper.

Sohil replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:07 PM PST 

Thanks Saima...
So regardless of if you have received the possession or not. As long as it is allotted to you and the plot number can be seen on the map or on site. Right?

SIM replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:35 PM PST 

I personally believe, on ground is a place where you can start construction immediately if you want. Just a number on the map does not mean anything. Look at SL2, plot numbers are available for almost a decade.

MUZZAMIL replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:03 PM PST 

@saima : u have shown intent to sell ur 5-M of P-9 for 30+ on monday.what are u planning to do now?

saima replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:26 PM PST 

lets see whats in my qismat selling on wednesday IA what evr the rate cos i cant hold any longer,need money

Habib replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:34 PM PST 

ON GROUND MEANS YOU HAVE NUMBER, YOU HAVE MAP, YOU CAN GO THERE FIND WHAT IS LEVEL OF PLOT, ROAD IS CONSTRCTED POLES ARE THERE OR NOT, SEWAGE IS THERE.
POSSESSION PLOT MEANS ALL ABOVE AND SOCIETY GIVE YOU SITE PLAN WITH PERMISSION TO START CONSTRCTION

Sohil replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:15 PM PST 

Thanks All.
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(62008)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 07:38 AM PST 

Dear CMY Bhai can you please answer my query this time please. Like many other people on this forum I'm also your die hard fan. I'm holding a possession plot in Statelife phase 1 E block and have no plans to built house there and want to add more savings to buy commercial file in either phase 7 which you don't recommend now or in BT sector E on ground 5 Marla commercial as both are same budget. Do you think I can loose money in any way in future because that's my worst fear since both of these commercials have lost little value since prices year or two before or is it a good plan? Please kindly reply I trust your judgement more than anyone else on this forum.

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:12 AM PST 

Awais bhai I dont think you can loose any money in DHA 7 commercial. It still can give you better return than same priced residential plots in DHA.

When I compare DHA7 commercial with DHA9 or DHA town commercial I say DHA7 commercial is not as good as DHA9. And my this recommendation is till ballot day only and recommendation order can be changed after I have map of DHA9 Prism in front of me to show DHA9 4-Marla
location is justified for its high price or for the low price less better located DHA7 is worth to be in 2nd spot.


If one have budget DHA9 8-marla commercial should be bought first. If not DHA9 4-Marla commercial should be bought. If still not enough budget its 100% ok to buy DHA7 commercial. A 4-Marla commercial plot is going to return twice the gain you will have in residential plot of DHA6 or DHA7.

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
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(62006)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:36 AM PST 
Important Info

Anwar replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:38 PM PST

Three\four days back DHA has made bulk purchases of files of Phase 9 from local market which resulted, sudden rise in the prices of all files.Once DHA stoped purchases and moreover at the same time, NDC issuing process also terminated from very next day decline in file rates was observed.Since DHA has bought 1 k file at 63 lak and 10 and 5 marlas arround 43 and 27 lak respectively. Hence as per my thinking same will be the minimum tharash hold for each file. I would humbly request CMY bahi for his valued comments please.



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CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 12:33 AM PST

Anwar your point is valid DHA bought 400+ files at 5Marla @ 27+ Lacs , 10 Marla @ 43+ Lacs and 63+ Lacs for kanal.

Almost every file purchased last week was taken and transferred in DHA name.



Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.Com

Moin replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:12 AM PST 

IS THIS INFORAMTION IS NOT PRIVAE & CONFIDENTIAL???

Khalid replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:25 AM PST 

CMY sir,

Do you recommend buying 5 marla file @ 26-27 lac now if one wants to hold plot for minimum 1 year? Need ur expert advice.

JazakAllah kher

mani replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:26 AM PST 

What is guarantee that ballot will be fair after knowing that DHA himself is holder of hundereds of
files

Khalid replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:26 AM PST 

Talking about phase 9 proper* 5 marla file.**

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 07:21 AM PST 

First I should explain how this next ballot will be held. 1000s of visitor dont even know mechanism of it and its my duty to explain them to take out their anxiety and fear for this ballot on May 15th. It may kill my weekend but I have to do it to help my friends here because no one else will do it for them.


Please note carefully I am going to use these numbers for example only. They are not exact numbers or
files or plots.


We assume DHA9 Prism have total land of 40000 kanal. Lets assume DHA9 prism map master plan you will have 10000 one kanal plots 2500 10 marla plots and 5000 5-Marla plots. Lets assume there may 8000 allocation files issued to date for one kanal 4000 for 5-Marla and 2000 for 10 marla

Now you will ask where are 2000 files of one kanal 1000 of 5marla and 500 for 10 marla because we have plots on map for those files. These are files that are not issued to land owners because they have either not sold their agri land to DHA yet and DHA may buy it in future. or they may have given land to DHA and purchase that take 3 months is not done yet or they have given land to DHA but have not requested their files to be issued for any reason. Lot of people do this by leaving there files to get them alloted when price are very high or when they badly needed money. In falling market they dont want to turn their files into plots yet. Some times peoples files are on hold from going into ballot because owners are in litigation with DHA for their land in DHA9 or DHA6 or 7 or 8.

So now you may understand even there are 17500 plots available plots to be allotted on master plan of DHA9 Prism only 14000 allocation files can be balloted on May 15 2015 to those pool of 17500 available plots in master plan of DHA9 Prism. After computer matched 14000 plots remaining 2500 plots are allotted in mini ballots. So DHA will have 25000 plots and when 100 new allocation are made DHA can do a mini ballot or DHA can wait for couple of more years and do a mini ballot when 1000 or 2000 new allocation are issued. This is choice of DHA admin to select for how long they will wait and for how many files to be ballot that are issued till date. A major ballot is held in direct supervision and control of Corp cmdr Lahore DHA Secretary and DHA administrator. A mini ballot is held under DHA administrator and few multiple department heads in DHA Lahore. Major ballot is going to be done with use of computer but any future mini ballots could be hand picked or computerised one I dont know for sure here. Depends on how many allocation will trigger a mini ballot If 100 files it could be hand picked. If 1000 it could computerised.

To do a computer major ballot DHA hires three separate largest private software firms. all three are paid even amount to make software. That software is verified to be working fairly by computer science departments heads of 2 to 3 large universities like LUMS etc with DHA administrator corp commander and DHA secretary also there. These companies are given dummy files numbers to allot available plots with the software is tested. Once tests prove software is working properly. Their PC are now sealed to open them on ballot day.

On ballot day 2000 to 3000 people are invited to attend ballot ceremony. At this ceremony software companies show up and once again their software is rechecked with dummy data of small sample. 2000 to 300 people show up on ballot. All DHA department heads show up there. Corp commander Lahore show up there. Secretary DHA show up there. A chief guest is invited. It possible Gen Raheel Shareef may or may not be there as chief guest on May 15 2015 to give possession to Shuhda families in DHA town.

Once ceremony starts each department head of DHA will brief public on latest updates including on on going projects and DHA9 Prism main features future plans time line number of plots in master plan development starting and time line to fish it will be explained. While every body is giving briefing a actual data of allocation numbers will be upload to computers that were sealed and retest just before ceremony. Same university heads will run one last test once that news data is matching plot numbers correctly. Programs is reset to start from beginning. All three firms computers are now ready for ballot now with actual allocation numbers data.

Chief guest picks up one firm out of three firms name draw. One kid from crowd is invited to press the start button. After pressing button results of computer matching the numbers are displayed on screen one by one. They are slow enough for public to see few allocation numbers and allotted plot numbers for fewer plots categories like commercial plots but for 1000s of plots you dont have enough time to catch any data until it at last page. All ballot results are now printed and corp cmdr Lahore DHA administrator and secretary DHA sign each sheet of ballot results. After ceremony DHA display copies of ballot results in its head office buy making 4 or 5 sets so all have chance to easily see results.

I dont work in DHA and wrote all above info best to my knowledge. I ask for your forgiveness If I made any mistake errors in understanding above in process. I saw personally how it happen for 90% parts of above lines but 10% of it was classified process I just heard how its done from DHA staff. I have no control no benefit to explain above info to you. This is how past major and mini ballots were done and I dont know if May 15 2015 ballot will done in same fashion or not. I pray that next ballot is fair transparent.

I have full faith in DHA Lahore admin that it will be fair Insha Allah.


Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.Com

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:09 AM PST 

Moin bhai
Files purchases by DHA Lahore is not private or confidential information. DHA is not doing it 1st time. They always buy a few files or plots here and there. Once they buy a file all pay orders are issued from DHA accounts. Buyer name is used as secretary DHA. File NDC is cleared on same day. Its transferred right away within couple of days of purchases in most cases. So these purchases cant be kept confidential.

But this time DHA file purchases is large in numbers. Some say 300+ files were purchased by DHA Lahore and some say it was 400. Dont have exact tool to check how many total files were actually purchased by DHA Lahore in last 3 weeks time. On Monday only 5 files will be transferred in DHA name from only our clients.

I am scratching my head to figure out what is going one here. Is this a good sign or a bad sign that DHA Lahore itself is buying these many files and on highest market prices of these is not understandable to as a businessman.

When people say here DHA Lahore is buying these files to allot best plots to them self in ballot. I start laughing at these people. People dont know that after major ballot in any phase DHA is legally allowed to do a mini ballot for same phase any day if they have issued 100 new allocation letter files. This can be done without any major supervision from people outside of DHA .

So if DHA wanted to give best plots to them self why are they risking to buy these many file in public first. For example I know the allocation numbers of all my clients that have sold their files to DHA or will be transferred in DHA Lahore on Monday and Tuesday. I will be able to see what plots numbers are assigned to DHA Lahore purchased files. I will be able to see and challenge any hanky phanky in one minute. Why would DHA staff take that kind of chance. Serving officer run DHA departments so they can be investigated by army internal investigation and intelligence units. Major ballot has approval stamp and signature of Corp cmdr Lahore so any hank phanky could be very costly to lower rank officers.


If DHA had to hand pick these plot numbers they could just do it after ballot. After ballot allocation or affidavit files may be cheaper than 63 lacs because you dont know when a next ballot is going to be held to allot file numbers to them. DHA could just buy cheaper files from open market after major ballot and assign them self best located plots from the pool of thousands of plots that will not be balloted yet because their allocation are not made yet.For details on why 1000s of plot are still not allotted plot number at Major ballot see above post.

DHA could have made a bulk purchase of files from land investors. I personally know one guy that has 800 files in DHA Lahore. If wanted DHA could have picked all files from these type of folks. DHA could have bought all these files that are not even issued yet but will be issued in next few months even after May 15 2015 major ballot at lower rates than 63.

Why DHA went in open market to buy these files in open market and highest going rates in last 3 weeks. I dont thinks It was for allotted good plots to them. If any one wanted to cheat us easiest way to cheat will be like this. DHA could just mark any number of good plots and not send them to ballot at all to be matched with any current allocation files on May 15 2015. And latter buy files slowly at lower rates and then keep allotting themselves those great locations to sell at high rates.

Why why but why DHA bought these many files in public and was very very open at each purchase they are buying them and buying them just before ballot.

My guess is they bought them to increase prices to launch new plots on instalments at lot higher prices than 63+ lacs rates or DHA is confident that after ballot prices of newly balloted plots and un issued or not ready future allocation files will be lot higher than their 63+ lacs purchases. Or It cant buy enough plots at market prices for allotting them to new army retries in next few months or Its short on needed land wanted to make up for it before ballot because its thinking files could be higher than 63 after ballot due to even higher plots prices.

I cant figure this out all day. No hint coming from insiders why DHA made major purchases. If DHA only did this to increase prices to help people and dealers I cant be more happier :)

Any one have any clue and take me out of this mess to figure out why why why


Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.Com

Khalid replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:06 AM PST 

CMY Bhai , when DHA is expected to display Prism 9 ballot results on their website for public?

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:54 AM PST 

Before it took 2 to 4 days

Izhaq replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 04:13 PM PST 

Dear CMY,
as per above ballot procedure explained you mentioned if Gen. Raheel Sharif is invited as chief guest he will give possession to shudah families of DHA 9 Town.....Does that mean 9 Town possession is on 15th May 2015?? Please clear the confusion. Many Thanks.

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 09:57 PM PST 

Even if Gen Raheel Shareef is not at ballot on May 15 2015. A possession data is very "LIKELY" to be announced to start handing over plots for construction in 1 or 2 months time for DHA Town,

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )

Anwar replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:05 PM PST 

In my humble opinion,as I have already stated that it would be to fix minimum thrash hold of plots to be sold\purchased after ballot w\o development charges.A good
location plot will have better value.Rest ALLAH knows all.

Shahzad Qamar replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 12:43 AM PST 

in my opinion this Buy Back thing is not a good sign at all and it is impossible that DHA would think that in future the
prices would be much higher so buy the files, they are owners and have such things in their hands. Now the fate of ph9 is not in Ballot hands but in its Map's hands (I think there is something fishy that will turn up at map release only). I wish everything goes well.

MUZZAMIL replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 04:01 AM PST 

IMHO DHA dont have enough land in its hands (complete grasp , may be in litigation or in purchase/allotement process) to allot plots against them , so they are buying back
files in bulk , these files wont be part of ballot (as they dont have land against it)
OR
they are reserving some land for them to build apartments etc to be sold in installements.

CMY replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 05:34 AM PST 

MUZZAMIL I agree with your apartment idea. DHA have hired 10 people strong marketing
team recently. So file purchases could be for apartments.

Or may be files for installment plots now but later same team could work on apartments.
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(62005)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:20 AM PST 

Dear CMY, Kindly help me to know the current market price of Jubilee Town 10 Marla and Bahria Town lahore 10 M, overseas block. Jazzak Allah khair

Sayed replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:06 PM PST 

Since CMY is very busy, can anyone from the fourm help me to know the market price. So I will not loose while selling these. Jazzak Allah Khair..
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(62004)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:05 AM PST 
plot be kept or sold

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
For Sale
lahore
dha
7
T
1416
KANAL
70 FT
CMY sb plz advise that, this one canal plot should be kept or be sold because i purchased this plot last year and after all payment,i.e plot price+dealer fees+
cvt+ transfer fee+adv tax etc it cost me 85lac 25 thousands.My Questions are:
1)when possession will be given of this plot as road and other development is complete over there
2)should it be kept for one or 2 years or be sold
3)how much profit can be seen in 1 to 2 years
4)this is facing 10 marla plots on 70 ft road therefore
are there chances that once possession is given in X SECTOR FOR 10 MARLA tho homes construction will be more in ths area as compared to other plots or otherwise
NOTE; dear CMY bhai, YOUR valuable comments are solicited PLEASE
MAY U LIVE LONG
Stay BLESSED
CHEEMA

dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:18 AM PST 

is it T block or X ? I also hold a plot here, 1404 T and following this post in case CMY replies

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:18 AM PST 

Ali Cheema please allow me couple of days time to answer this. I need input from
team about this area current development status.

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )

ali cheema replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:39 AM PST 

Grateful brother FOR YOUR RESPONCE will wait for your valuable comments /advise with regards to holding or selling of one kanal plot of phase 7 sector T,
STAY BLESSED AA MEEN,
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(62003)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:52 AM PST 

Dear LRE Team
Could you please estimate the current price of near BB 98 State Life-II
Thanks and Regards
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(62002)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:43 AM PST 

Dear CMY Bhai
I hope you are all right and enjoying good health with happy.
I want to ask the current price of 4M commercial "D" block affidavit file of phase-6.
At which price is feasible to purchase and what is the future of these files?
Regards
Tahir

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:46 AM PST 

It is very thinly traded file I need more time to answer what is FAIR buying selling position here and actual plots
prices recently.

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
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(62001)
Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:04 AM PST 
Phase 7 x y and z blocks possession

Dear CMY,
You were doing some research regarding when phase 7 x,y and z blocks will be given possession. I will appreciate your comments on it. I'm specially interested in Z1. Also if somebody can post pictures of latest development work that will be awesome.

Best Regards,
Farhan

CMY replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:13 AM PST 

I had already sent my
team there to update me especially about these blocks development work progress and pictures of all blocks. Waiting for their answers. Too late to call them on phone. Will Insha Allah update you soon.

My teams will update you with pictures of DHA Town DHA5 M Block DHA8 DHA Ivy Green area after ballot as we all are too busy right now in deals and all other projects where we deal in frequently will be updated soon too.


Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Info@LREPK.Com

zaeem Ishtaiq replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:15 AM PST 

Yes CMY saab and other member please also share the pics of DHA 7 non possession area.We want to see the dev work there.

fmahmood replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 03:54 AM PST 

Many thanks CMY Sb. May Allah bless you with good health. Keep up the good work.
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