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Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:55 PM PST 
1 or 2 Kannal Cheap Land for Retail set up

Gents,

I am professional retalier and retail is my passion too. i am planning to set up retail store in next coming 5 years. for this purpose can anyone suggest me any commercial land of 1 kanal or 2 kannal which is the cheapest at the moment and later can be suitable of rretail set up?

i extensive retail esperience even i been involved in setting up Makro, Matro, Hyperstar?

Regards

Riz Khan replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:57 PM PST 

i have the budget 20 lak , i know its very less but if you have any other idea let me know ......

Lahore123 replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 04:18 PM PST 

As for as you budget is concern
1.You can easily buy 3-4 marla plot in Gulshan-e-lahore (by adding some money) and you can start your business right now.

2.Jubliee town and Lda Avenue (As commercial is not on sale Lda hold that commercial area for latter auction) but u can invest there and but a plot and when auction will begin sell that plot and buy shops in commercial.

3.Other options (Jinnah mall--book your shop there,hopefully it will be ready with in 2.5 years but make your mind ,it will take 3 years)

Unprofessional retailer replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM PST 

If you know something is impossible but you still hope for it to come true, then you become the ideal target for frauds and con-artists. So try to be as realistic as possible at all times.

You must know that it is difficult to find a 1 or 2 kanal plot for 2 million in a RESIDENTIAL scheme, and we are talking about those that would be ready after 5-10 years if you are lucky. It is inconceivable that you can get something suitable for commercial retail in that budget.

Notwithstanding your extensive experience, you should first understand that retail and real estate are 2 different businesses. Most professional retailers do not seek to own their stores because they make their money from investing in stock. The challenge is their business model must support the rent. People who own their property and then run a shop on it risk subsidizing one investment with another and not realizing the true feasibility of a business.

Focus your passion on developing your retail business model. If it is good enough, you might be able to rent a suitable place and try it out in time. Purchasing a property is already an indication that you are thinking about it wrong. The big chains you mentioned only set up their own properties in Pak because no suitable options were available to rent else they would never have invested in the infrastructure.

PS. This is not a casual opinion. I manage a small retail chain with both rented and owned premises. We will soon sell the owned property to release capital and move that branch to a rented premises as well.

agree replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 01:31 AM PST 

Cent % agree with unprofessional retailer.

Riz Khan replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 01:34 AM PST 

Dear Unprofessional retailer,

thanks for your valuable input, well the bigger chains they have their own strategy and business planning on which they usually go for lease land, having brand equity worldwide their models gain value as well.

My model is totally different, i dont want to initiate with rental or leased land on my own, my business model and strategy evolves around the ownership of land.

If someone offer me leased land as a partnership and me to run the retail operations thats a different scenario.

I have already done extensive research on retailers and myslef use to be involved in strategy and business planning for such retail set ups.

My model doesn't evolve around dokandar or keryana concept its totally different.

Why i say 1 or 2 kanal in 2 million bucks because i thought someone suggest me something which i might not be aware of.

Fifty percent of the business starts with first step. as Nepolian Bonaparte said: Wars are won first in minds and than on battle fields.

S. replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 07:26 PM PST 

I doubt you had extensive experience of setting up those Multinational giants. You dont even spell them correctly
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(47935)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:46 PM PST 
LDA Avenue

All Current, Prospect & Ex holder of plots in LDA Avenue,

Please share your experience on litigation plots in LDA Avenue. I am sure this will help all those who are planning to buy plot in LDA Avenue.

1. You were trying to deal and came to know, plot is under litigation?
2. You bought the plot and came to know it is under litigation?

regards,
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(47934)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:25 PM PST 
LDA to collect commercialisation fees

LDA to collect commercialisation fees

Lahore - The Lahore Development Authority (LDA) announced on Friday that it will start a special recovery campaign for collecting the commercialisation fee from owners and occupants of properties being used for business purposes in areas under its jurisdiction.
People have been advised to deposit outstanding dues without further delay, as special recovery teams have been constituted in this regard. These teams were going door-to door and properties, of which dues were not being paid were being sealed without being served further notice. The LDA Recovery Directorate has collected Rs 400 million during the past two and a half months on account of the annual and permanent commercialisation fee, from various localities of the provincial metropolis.
The LDA also advised owners of properties on 37 roads and segments of roads, where commercial activity has been allowed, to get their properties permanently commercialised. These roads include Ghausul Azam Road (Jail Road), Main Boulevard Gulberg, MM Alam Road Gulberg, Segment of Hali Road Gulberg (Property Number 136 & 64 E-1 Gulberg 3 to Property Number 114 & 73 E-1 Gulberg 3), Stadium Road Sharah-e-Noor Jehan Gulberg, Shahra-e-Quaid-e-Azam (The Mall), Tariq Road Link MM Alam Road, the road Behind Liberty Market, Firdous Market Road, Link Road Main Market (Shezan Side), Link Road Main Market (Auriga Side), Ghalib Road Segment (Chen One Road), Main Boulevard Garden Town, Main Boulevard Allama Iqbal Town, Main Boulevard Shadman, Maulana Shaukat Ali Road (Segment 1-Canal Bridge to Model Town Link Road Junction), College Road Township (Akbar Chowk to Ghazi Chowk), Ferozpur Road (Qartaba Chowk to Chungi Amar Sidhu), Sher Shah Road Gujjarpura, Al Madina Road, Township, Bagrian Road, Township, Main Boulevard Samanabad, Approach Road Tajpura, Part of Road Civic Centre Garden Town, Model Town Link Road, Hamdrad Jail Road (Segment 2-Plot No.1223-5-D/II to Ghazi Chowk), Shabbir Usmani Road (Y-Junction to Shaukat Ali Road), Main Boulevard Shadbagh, College Road, Gulberg (Property numbers 9 and 10 Block K Gulberg 2 to Property numbers 6-H and 24-H Gulberg 2, Park Road, Ali Zeb Avenue, Gulberg, Only Property 1 J Block to 6 J Block Gulberg 3, Link MM Alam Road, T Block Gulberg-2 Property numbers 9 to Property numbers 14 T Block Gulberg-2, Gurumangat Road, Gulberg only right side coming from College Road, Abul Hassan Isfahani Road, Faisal Town Only Property numbers, 30, 31, 32, 33 & 34 Block-B Faisal Town, Shadman Part of Race Course Road Shahrah-e-Aiwan-e-Tijarat, Property numbers 6 Shadman to Property number 1 Shadman, Link Road Main Boulevard Garden Town Property numbers 13, 14, 47, 48, 80 to 85 Babar Block New Garden Town and Wahdat Road Ferozepur Road to Property number 69 C New Muslim Town.
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(47933)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:15 PM PST 
Urgently Need a Shop in DHA Y or H Block

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Block
For Rent
Lahore
Y or H
Need a shop for garments business in Y or H blocks. Not interested in basement shops. Please contact urgently.
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(47932)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 02:56 PM PST 
Flats in DHA-2 Islamabad

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
Islamabad
DHA
2
J
25 lac
A class construction
Flats in DHA-2 Islamabad 2 beds on 2nd and 3rd floor with separate transfer for each flat from DHA-2. building is ready for possession. Demand 25 lac for each Contact

Inquiry replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 12:43 AM PST 

what is the covered area
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(47931)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 02:09 PM PST 
Information required about transfer

AoA

we (me and my brother) have a one kanal plot in valencia . we are both owners .Now i want to transfer it by myself. In this case should i have to pay only valencia transfer fee or should i have to pay stamp duty and cvt also. What is the cheapest way ? bec if i have to pay the stamp and cvt and transfer then it means i have to pay approximately 1 LAC which is too much. Please guide me which is the cheapest and safe way .should i get an athourity letter from my brother and transfer it later? is it correct?

Thanks
~rizwan

Jameel replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 06:24 PM PST 

you mean it was joint an now he want to surrender his rights. I think a Courbet registered agreement should be enough in that regard and it might save your CVT and Stamp but You have to talk to society Office normally they are very Co operative.
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(47930)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 12:54 PM PST 
Two New Housing Schemes Start On Ferozpur Road And Raiwind Road Lahore

Two New Housing Schemes Start On Ferozpur Road And Raiwind Road Lahore
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(47929)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:16 AM PST 

ASA
This is not the proper forum for such things, but I can't help writing a few words. I really feel like weeping because of the bad news of police torture in Lahore where one person was killed, two still missing and one ex-army man who served 25 years is in hospital. A detail report was broadcasted on SAMA TV yesterday.
I request all my Pakistani brothers and sisters on this website to visit punjab police website and at least condemn this brutal and barbaric act.

http://www.punjabpolice.gov.pk/

Hoping to excused for the trouble,

Fatima, USA replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 05:18 PM PST 

I strongly curse all such people from policemen to the top. They are the hell dogs who will live their forever.

advise replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:06 PM PST 

Punjab police is hand picked by Sharif family.
If protest is required than protest at PML-N website or better call your khadim-e-aala!!!!!!!
I hope your khadim-e-aala will serve you aala!

Ahmad replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:20 PM PST 

Excellent! You bring our attention to the right direction!
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(47927)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 04:47 AM PST 
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(47926)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 04:42 AM PST 

GOOD NEWS
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(47925)
Saturday, May 21, 2011 01:09 AM PST 
D12 Current rates

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Cur. Rate
Islamabad
CDA
D12
Dear friends,

I'll appreciate if somebody could shed light on current price range of plots in D12 Islamabad. Like the price of 40x80, 50x90 size plots.

Also what's the price difference between a regular and corner plot?

Regards

Salman

gh replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:29 AM PST 

Plot# 8 in Sector D-12/2 (size 40 * 80) was sold for 1 caror 10 lakh a few weeks back. Please validate with CDA since this should be a public info.

gh replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:31 AM PST 

Sorry I meant sector D-12/1.

Also other brothers who have any for sale in D-12 sector are encouraged to post exact details. I have a family member who too wants to buy.

jk replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:49 AM PST 

Once I surrender to buy plot # 273 D-12/3 @ of 34 lacks while I was ready to pay 32 lack and just a weak earlier the same plot was offered to me @ 230 lacks and I surrender again considering it too high,

Not sure how high it can go from here,

gh replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 04:12 AM PST 

jk, it's got ways to go. Ask yourself why does a one kanal plot in E-11 go fr 3.5 caror?

gh replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 04:12 AM PST 

Sorry again, I meant F-11 :-(

Salman Malik replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 02:00 AM PST 

Thanks guys for your response.

jk- did you mean 34 or 230 lac? what was the size of plot?

Any other friend could share their experience or knowledge?

Regards

jk replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 03:29 AM PST 

Dear Salman

Plot #273 D-12/3 is 600 yard corner and park facing plot and it was on sale in 2001 @ 34 lacks and I thought it is expensive but offered 32 lacks and could not lock the deal. Last week my property agent offered me the same plot @ 230 lack and my decision was same that it is too high.

I was wondering what will be the price after 10 years from now ?.

Salman Malik replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 09:59 PM PST 

Thanks jk, for clarification.

I guess, with the on going development the future of D-12 is becoming more clear even though at a low pace but enough for the appreciation in
prices.

In 10 years time, if it is fully developed and reasonably populated than there will be further room for increase in prices.

Regards

guess replied on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 02:31 AM PST 

jk, take my word on it, in 10 years time it would be over 5 crore

fas replied on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 01:36 AM PST 

@ guess and Dollar would be Rs 500/- at that time may be more. So Its better to buy now
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(47924)
Friday, May 20, 2011 11:59 PM PST 
DHA phase 6

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Cur. Rate
Lahore
Dha
6
L
Near 928
1 Kanal
40 Feet
Dear,
I am in process of buying a plot in phase 6 could u pls suggest the current market price of L-928 PHASE 6 DHA.

CMY replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 12:34 AM PST 

L928 is worth 65 to 66 lacs.
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(47923)
Friday, May 20, 2011 10:45 PM PST 

Ad Type
City
For Sale
islamabad
Commercial Plots,Shops,Flat ( 2 bed,3 bed,4 bed) are Available In F-17 Islamabad Booking On Installments.

Imran* replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 01:33 AM PST 

Please give full details with construction time.
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(47922)
Friday, May 20, 2011 08:53 PM PST 
5 Marla Plot For Sale in State Life Lahore Phase 2

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
LAHORE
State Life
2
EE
513
5 Marla
40 FT
3.50 Lac
BEAUTIFULL LOCATION
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(47921)
Friday, May 20, 2011 08:37 PM PST 
Help in finding a house/portion on rent

Requesting you to help me in finding a reasonable but low price/low rent house or any portion to live with family.


Well the range of house rent is just within 10,000. i need on urgent basis.

Wishing to get a house or upper portion on such rent at any good place (reasonable) in lahore.

At-least 2 bedroom portion. thank you


Please help me out
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(47920)
Friday, May 20, 2011 08:13 PM PST 

I am planning to buy a shop in "Fortess Sqaure" in Fortress Stadium Lahore. Please guide that it it a good investment? who is behind this project? is this a solid project? do they have 99 years lease?
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(47919)
Friday, May 20, 2011 07:56 PM PST 
18 Marla Corner Plot For Sale in State Life Lahore Phase 1

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
LAHORE
State Life
1
E
437
18 Marla
40 FT
30 Lac
Corner
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(47918)
Friday, May 20, 2011 07:20 PM PST 

I used to tell my friends here in UAE that if u want to buy property in Pakistan, buy only in DHA. All others are??? I myself bought a plot in X block Phase7 for 30 lac. about 2 years back. Now thru this website I have learnt that this plot (1098) is in an area where there is a village and the land is not acquired by DHA as yet. All my trust in DHA is lost. I am in a state of deep depression now. What will happen to my hard earned money? Will DHA give me some other plot in lieu of this? How many years will it take? Can I sell this plot? Can someone guide me what to do. If someone wants to buy it for reasonable price please contact me on 0r

Chaha Jee replied on Friday, May 20, 2011 07:51 PM PST 

Dr sahib you are not alone I am also with you... let do a joint suicide..."Rootay hain cham cham nain, ujar gia chain raaiii ... dekh lia tera Plot ".....

Jaa apni hasratoon pai ansoo bha kai soo jaaa.....

Hai raii haiii neend nahin aiyay ..... hai rai hai need nahin aiiaya


I suggest we both take two spoons of "jamal ghota" and die of diarrea infront of DHA office...

Jameel replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 12:58 AM PST 

doc sahib first call dha and dont get hurry, if they tell you same thing then better sell, but people are more smart than you why they will buy plot on pocket, but i think there is 80% chance that your plot is not in the village but very close to it, This
location was already not very great location even if there had been no village so losing few lacs is not big deal. it might be 2,3 weeks salary for you,

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 02:38 AM PST 

Dear Irfaan,nothing is certain here in our country.It dont matter weather it is is LDA or DHA.I myself lost alot of money because of other people games.I buy few
files in DHA Phase 5 ext and Former Parkview Phase Dha 8.And it has been half decade no news has come out.Days turn into months and months into years.But i call they dont answer my queery.
As by law DHA should have incloded my file of former parkview when they did ballot of DHA 8 some time back.All i can say is best of luck dear.

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 02:41 AM PST 

Ae hae Chacha jee ki gal kerdey ho....Saday zakhman te mirchaan panday o...

Chacha Jee i am ready to do joint sucide with you but even after that i dont think anything will change or Maybe like Faizan and victims of Damond Davis maybe our families might benifit?

DHA Victim replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 02:52 AM PST 

Dear Sheikh Shabrati, Chacha jee and Dr. Irfan
am also the victim of DHA and even from LDA in (Avenue One)
so lets go together at Mozong Chungee and wait for..........
God Bless Pakistan and Pakistanis

Advisor replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:19 AM PST 

Dr. Sahib plz cont Mr. CMY he also checks the market pulse daily and would be able to diagnose the disease of your plot.

Ch. Yousaf replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 04:51 AM PST 

Investing money blindly ... will result same as you guys are facing. Market study is really important to put your money some where.

Little knowledge is dangerous. Investing money somewhere coz my xyz did or investing just to see a big brand is a putrly bad idea .... sorry folks for bring lil hard but this is reality

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 06:23 AM PST 

Dear Ch,Yousuf saab,What if someone show u
location and tell u that ballot take place in month or some time and lie to you.How study about that?One can not see the future,and in our religion it is haram to go and see the fortuneteller.You can not blame the innocent people who are viktims of fraud.

Ch. Yousaf replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 03:29 PM PST 

Dear Shiekh Shabrati,

Thank you for the question. I was waiting to see such d??b questions. Our religion give us the independence to inquire first and then take action. Even at time of marry, you should see the girl first and then make decision. Please dont mis-use islam here as most of our pakistani did. At the end they need umbrella of islam to cover their innocence rather ignorance.

CMY has provided such a great forum to discuss your cases. You can come here and discuss if you are planning to buy. I am sure you will get good advice from here. There are several other ways as well. But this is for those who are carefull in investing.

Moreover, I am not trying to say fraud or other stuff is ok. Not at all. There should be proper dealings on both ends. This is the thing which makes the process complicated and require more checks than norma. Most of the overseas are innocent because they have left pakistan for long and are living with ppl who are honest. Though, we also become honest and then when we go pakistan we expect locals to be honest as well which is not the case always.

Dear Sheikh, Investigate & Fortuneteller are not same words. Donot mis-interpret them for you and for others.

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 06:44 PM PST 

Dear Choudry Yousaf,

You are welcome,i was also expecting for an ignorant and stu*pid answer so thank you.But that is Utter Non Sense.

First of all on my behalf when i returned to our Great Country pakistan,i did checked on my behalf and investigaed like an FIA officer.I visited the bloody locations where the
files were supposed to be alloted.The famous property dealer claimed the location is confirm and plots will be alloted in the very near future and this will be the place.Infact he introduced to me a Retired Col Saab who was also purchasing by his guidance in the same location.Also he claimed that his relative buy the file and in 2 months Dha has balloted and his relative has gained.Now if you are going to act like an ignorant and say to me"MR Shabrati you lost money because you tried to be smart or you weere greedy,you wanted to earn some money fast,that is why happened to you"Then my answer to you will be Dear Chota Bhai everyone wants to gain money in this world not lose.Even if the prices of the file i bought would have stayed the same i wouldnt be in state of depression and dishearted.And atleast i dont"think of fooling people"and make some easy cash.I earned my own money living abroad.Not by fooling people and telling them lies.And even if we admit its my fault and property dealer was innocent and had taken bath from milk.Still i am not happy with the DHA.Everyone has his opinion this is mine.If you like it fine,if you dont i can not do anything.But atleast as an independent citizen of the Soverign Islamic Republic of Pakistan i have the right to express myself.

Bottom line for people who want to invest: Do not invest in files,very risky,very dangerous,only go for ground plots.And confirm from 10 people before you take any step,regarding investing your money in Pakistan.

Ch. Yousaf replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 07:10 PM PST 

Dear Sheikh Shabrati,

I dont mind your first line of reply. What i feel we both are on a same page but with little difference in opinion. I wish you get out of the situation with full recovery.

Your last line is same what i am saying. In Pakistan, never expect honest dealing. You have the right to earn max profit but keep in mind ... big profit big risk and that is the beauty of the business. You hardly find fair play in Pakistan and this will put you at more risk.

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:02 PM PST 

Dear Ch,Yousaf,

Thank you very much for the kinds word's regarding the recovery.I hope also this,and i wish every overseas Pakistani stays safe from such kind of disaster.

Atleast we agree on something,That is true never expect honest dealing here in Pakistan.This is just a small part of my bad experience here in Pakistan.The worst part was that my own best very old childhood friend with whom i invested in business some years ago,was back stabbing me on my back with his bastard friend,even though he belongs to a bloody wealthy family.So the theory which people in Pakistan say,that
prices of food and oil are high and people dont have food to eat or majborian that is non sense.Even a person who has 5 dishes to eat on single lunch time everyday does not refrain from doing fraud and lie to earn money on quick basis.It is now in every bastard's mind to quickly earn money by pulling other persons leg here and lie.At the end of the day they think they are very clever,and in reality they are ugly and sick.

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:23 PM PST 

Let me add a bit more from my long non sense stories.Before i made investment infiles.I was expected to invest in DHA 6 or DHA 7.And before i turned towards the famous dealer,i was dealing with a very old link of property dealer in Defence.Even though the guy was much older then me and probably had his one feet in the grave.When i inquired about the plots in phase 6-7 he would give me price quotes much higher atleast 6-7-8 lakhs margain which was going to his own pocket.Probably he wanted to a buy new White Toyota Corolla XE.I was very shocked and disshearted by the
prices of plots he offered me.Even now i must admit that atleast the plots he were showing were on very nice locations.And now i think if i would have invested in those i would have been much saved and wouldnt have been in state of disaster and loss of millions.Instead of that i dealed with another famous dealer of DHA.I believe that was my mistake.He did a very great job in changing my mind and lied and fooled.I would have lost 1 million or a bit more if i would have dealed with my old dealer.But dealing with the new So Called Honest and Famous dealer i lost millions.

Azmae ko Azma lo behter hota he,Nae ko azmne ke chakar me chath se bhi gae aur roti se bhi.

Ch. Yousaf replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 04:28 PM PST 

Dear Shiekh Shbrati,

Even i invested big money with the best friend of mine. He was running his business ladies boutique and idea was to start a new business (clothes trading) with my investment. then i saw business where i invested fall down and his business grow with speed.

In Pakistan very hardly you may find honest persons. I after that incident become 100 times more carefull in any kind of investment.

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 05:27 PM PST 

Dear Yousaf Bhai,

I want to apologize if i was harsh to you in my previous messages,i hope you will understand my mind has been distorted after the experiences thats why sometimes i get a bit harsh.I am sorry to hear about your bad business experience Sir.

You know luckily i was lucky enough to take out my money from that business-misadventure,at the right time.And i am sure you know how hard it is to recover your own money in this world.I was trapped with discusting people.Thanks to Almighty that i learnt a quick lesson and did not lose money in this incident.But i learnt a lifetime experience,and realised that what people try to pretend are not in reality.Hard to find any honest people here from lower class to upper class,they all have the same cheap mentality (dosre ko zibbah ker ker ke apna pait bhar lo)..atleast most of them.

Dear i hope you managed to recover your hardearned money aswell?

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 05:29 PM PST 

Dear Yousaf Bhai,

I want to apologize if i was harsh to you in my previous messages,i hope you will understand my mind has been distorted after the experiences thats why sometimes i get a bit harsh.I am sorry to hear about your bad business experience Sir.

You know luckily i was lucky enough to take out my money from that business-misadventure,at the right time.And i am sure you know how hard it is to recover your own money in this world.I was trapped with discusting people.Thanks to Almighty that i learnt a quick lesson and did not lose money in this incident.But i learnt a lifetime experience,and realised that what people try to pretend are not in reality.Hard to find any honest people here from lower class to upper class,they all have the same cheap mentality (dosre ko zibbah ker ker ke apna pait bhar lo)..atleast most of them.

Dear i hope you managed to recover your hardearned money aswell?

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 05:33 PM PST 

Dear Yousaf Bhai,

I want to apologize if i was harsh to you in my previous messages,i hope you will understand my mind has been distorted after the experiences thats why sometimes i get a bit harsh.I am sorry to hear about your bad business experience Sir.

You know luckily i was lucky enough to take out my money from that business-misadventure,at the right time.And i am sure you know how hard it is to recover your own money in this world.I was trapped with discusting people.Thanks to Almighty that i learnt a quick lesson and did not lose money in this incident.But i learnt a lifetime experience,and realised that what people try to pretend are not in reality.Hard to find any honest people here from lower class to upper class,they all have the same cheap mentality (dosre ko zibbah ker ker ke apna pait bhar lo)..atleast most of them.

Dear i hope you managed to recover your hardearned money aswell?

Ch. Yousaf replied on Sunday, May 22, 2011 10:23 PM PST 

Dear Sheikh Shabrati,

I have already said, i didnt mind your comments. IT all right. Allah has given me more than what i loss. I am happy. May Allah give you the same and even more.

regards,

Sheikh Shabrati replied on Monday, May 23, 2011 12:01 AM PST 

Dear Yousaf Saab,

Thanks again for the kind words.May Allah always keep you happy.

regards

KHAN replied on Monday, May 23, 2011 10:36 PM PST 

i also want to say sum thing here. * illegal way of earn money can not be fruitful .i can say surely that Halal income can be only best investment never goes down.i done 5 time investment in islamabad in my whole life and got gud return in short time.Never i lost a single penny.what i know all of this is because of Halal income.
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