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(36963)
Thursday, November 13, 2008 02:56 PM PST 
No flexibilty in Dubai Properties

Flow of Capital to Dubai is one of the key factor in slump of realeste sector in pakistan.
Ref to discussion below.
New law "made" in Dubai that if you dont pay your Instalment in 30 days, your Booking will be cancelled and you may get 70% of deposited money after many years after the Project is complete and resold.
This will bring Dubai Property Price to new lows

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/538095-real-estate-defaulters-targeted-by-new-law

Mughal replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 03:33 PM PST 

This is extremely bad news for Pakistanis who gambled in Dubai. Now they lose 30% right away.

Jameel replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 04:33 AM PST 

I think next 10 days are very crucial and realesate sector of DFM may come further low, already 100s of people working in these big companiues are losing jobs, Emmar announced the plan to cut work force.
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(36962)
Thursday, November 13, 2008 02:17 PM PST 
Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse Nov AM

DHA Lahore Phase 5 . Allocation 1 Kanal seller at 41 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension. Allocation: Buyer(s) at 29.25 Sellers(s) at 29.50 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 6 Allocation: Sellers(s) at 44.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 7 Allocation: Sellers(s) at 23.50 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation: Buyer(s) at 36.70 Seller(s) at 36.75 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation: Buyer(s) at 15.10 Seller(s) at 15.15


Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation OPEN file Buyer(s) at 31.00 Seller(s) at 31.05 Lacs

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation Transfer file Buyer(s) at 31.45 Seller(s) at 31.50


Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 22.05 Seller(s)at 22.20 Lacs.

Bahria Lahore Sector C 10 marla 2 Paid at 1.81 Lacs
Bahria Lahore Sector C 10 marla 3 Paid at 2.36 Lacs


Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 9 10 marla 3 paid file buyers at 1.79 lacs sellers at 1.81 lacs

Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 9 10 marla 2 paid file buyers at 1.298 lacs sellers at 1.31 lacs


DHA Islamabad Phase 2 Extension 1 kanal allocation file 9.75 Lacs to 21 Lacs.

DHA Lahore Phase 5 plots 67 lacs to 120 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 6 plots 43 lacs to 70 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 7 plots 28 lacs to 50 Lacs

DHA phase 8 Parkview and Air Avenue plots 56 lacs to 90 Lacs.


DHA 8 Air Avenue Lahore
10 Marla 35 to 50
20 Marla 60 to 78
40 Marla 125 to 140

DHA 8 Park View Lahore

10 Marla 33 to 38 Plus Dev Charges
20 Marla 55 to 95
40 Marla 95 to 155


These are going rates of BT ph 8 pindi

Bahria Towm Rawalpindi Phase 8 10 Marla 3.10 Lacs plus 4.95 Lacs as development charges

Bahria Towm Rawalpindi Phase 8 1 Kanal 8 to 9.50 Lacs plus 6.50 Lacs as development charges


*** Always deal with Registered/Authorized Dealers only ***

Rates you can trust provided by:

Ch. Mujahid Yasin (CMY)
Lahore Real Estate
Registered/Authorized Dealer (DHA, EMAAR, Bahria Town, Urban Developers, etc.)
+92-300-400-9967
+92-322-400-9967
eMail: LRE786@GMail.com

http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com/

Ch Khalid replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:49 PM PST 

CMY Sahib
Aslam O Alakum

I requested for the map of Askari 9 Saddar, couple of months back but probably has not yet been added to your list of maps.

If possible add the new map of DHA phase 8 Karachi also, which DHA Karachi has changed and is different to the one which exist in your list
Thanks

Syed Ahsan, email: replied on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:39 PM PST 

Dear Ch.Mujahid Yasin Sahib,
Assalamo Alaikom

I would like to purchase one Kanal Plot (Allocation File) At DHAI Phase-2 Extension between 9 to 10 Lac. Please find a plot for me as I am receiving frequent advise one of my Brother Mr. Abdul Majeed Butt that you are right person to deal in DHA Islamabad / Lahore.

Regards,
Sayed Ahsan
Email:
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(36960)
Thursday, November 13, 2008 01:52 PM PST 
1-k plot ,& 1 office for sale

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
lahore
sui-gas
1
e
124/6
18.5
6200000
office is in jeff heights gulberg main bouleward next to hafeez center,it is with mini kitchen and a washroom.demand 4200000 andnew bookings are from 6 million rupess..its a throw away price.

the plot is 3 to 4 minutes drive from d-h-a phase-4 & 5 very excellent location.

contact:,.
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(36959)
Thursday, November 13, 2008 07:31 AM PST 
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(36958)
Thursday, November 13, 2008 05:37 AM PST 
NAVAL ANCHORAGE ISB

HI Can you plz provide any update about Naval Anchorage. and what is price in E block 1K plot.is it part of DHA now or standalone.

second if possible can any one suggest about DHA commercal plots which they annonce in DHA Valley.about its future........

zia replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 05:40 AM PST 

wait few more months for NHA bibi

MURAD JAN___ LONDON replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 07:35 AM PST 

A SALAM-O-ALAKOM I NEED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE DHA COMMERCIAL AVENUE ACTUALLY I HAVE APPLIED FOR A SHOP IN THE DHA COMMERCIAL AVENUE ISLAMABAD AT THEIR LONDON OFFICE PLEASE CAN ANY ONE INFORM ME ABOUT THIS THAT HOW IS THIS PLACE IS IT GOOD OR NOT. ALLAH HAFIZ

ZERO-00 replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 09:15 PM PST 

sister N
naval anchorage is a very good scheme with natural beauty

it is close to DHA 2 ext

price is less as it is 4 km away from main road,probable around 25 lakha canal,as i was searching a plot of 10 marla of Rs 10 lakh so far my attepts are ZERO_00 as i failed to get good plot in 10 lakh cash*** it means that i will remain ZERO

best of luck for ZERO

Aamir replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 01:20 PM PST 

A new housing scheme of NHA(National Hiway Authority)is comming up adjacent to Naval Anchorage. I would appreciate if anybody share info about this housing scheme.

akhtar replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 03:14 PM PST 

Only plus possible point (DHAI VAlley) Railway line is center of the DHAI VAlley, may be in future DHAI can bring here a Isalmabad railway station.

OPF valley and NHA housing will be very soon announced.
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(36957)
Thursday, November 13, 2008 05:00 AM PST 
Worried about Dubai

Emmar and other realesate Companies as well as their Finacier like Amlak etc are in worst Crisis, and their Prices are lowest ever, abut 70% loss in 10 Moths. Almost one Months back Ruler of Dubai issued a Decree that Emmar can buy back its share as much as they want, They put a big news in Gulf news that Emmar plans to buy back its shares as it was Grossly undervalued [Sometime in Sept], Inspite of that all price is coming Down, what does it means Emaar is Cash stripped? and is unable to buy back??
Mashreq bank have heavily invested in Emaar, few weeks Bank they issued a bank offering Linked to Emmar share.
The Condition was You Fix 1/2 Million in Mashreq bank and keep it for 3 Months Bank will give you 10% profit if Value of Emmar share is same or more after 3 Months. Otherwise Bank will give you Emmar shares in place of cash, Ever since offer came Emmar share has gone down 40%, I Did not invest but now I think it was an effort of Meshreq Bank to offLoad its huge Sharres of Emmar. Will other experts/insiders of DFM shed Light
Why i am taking of Emmar it is heart of DFM and life line of all realestate of Dubai. Realestae, mortgage Companies and Banks make about 95% of DFM and all there are badly linked. As I pointed few moths earlier [having discussion with safwan etc] that investors of Dubai and Ajman realestae will be able to bring Back only 1/3 of their Capital to pakistan and 2/3 will be lost in this crisis, Now the things 100% proving themselves

alpha replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 06:32 AM PST 

Dear Jameel Sahab
Share buy-back usually have signalling motives. Looks like you just wrote Mashreq bank a Put option, and bought a 10% Call option.
regards

stn replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 01:29 PM PST 

Emaar offers flexible payment plan for buyers

Dubai: Emaar Properties yesterday said it has unveiled a flexible payment scheme aimed at making it easier for customers to purchase property in Dubai, as sales across Dubai's real estate has come to a near halt.

"With the innovative 'To Own' scheme, Emaar is initially rolling out two programmes - 'Plan to Own' and 'Rent to Own,' both of which will enable customers to own property under more affordable terms within Emaar's world-class master-planned communities in Dubai," the company said in a statement.

The scheme reflects Emaar's commitment to extend further support to customers and be a stronger facilitator of property purchases. Domestic demand for real estate continues to outstrip supply in Dubai. Emaar's new programmes build further on the real demand for property, which has now positively shifted towards an end-user market.

The "Plan to Own" programme will offer the flexibility of paying 25 per cent of the property price after the handover and over five years, making it possible to bridge the current gap due to lower loan to value ratios offered by banks and financial institutions.

As per the "Plan to Own" programme, Emaar will help potential home-owners and commercial customers who can qualify for a mortgage through a bank to bridge the gap by extending their payment plans. Emaar's extended payment plan of up to 25 per cent of the property value will be paid back by the customer in single annual installments for five years, after moving into their new homes. The first payment will begin only one year after receiving their property.

With the "Rent to Own" programme, tenants can adjust 100 per cent of the first year's rents as home finance if they decide to purchase the property within ten months of living in the home. It gives them the unique opportunity to rent, move in, assess the quality of the property and make an informed property purchase decision. The property price will remain fixed for a period of one year, and customers will have the option of acquiring the "Plan to Own" programme if they decide to buy. During the rent period, tenants will have the first right to buy the property.

© Gulf News 2008. All rights reserved.

Habib replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 02:47 PM PST 

These things are not going to work anymore, the reason is There are no end users if they dont Give visa facility, And that is beyond doubt now there will be no visa for sure linked to the property. If i be realistic I tell you proportion of Byuers in Gulf
1. 65% locals who had lots of money and never needed homes as they have Govt Build good villas already, their reason of investing in property is simply that they had lots of money and they were increasing chances to increase it.
2 15% Paksiatni and Indian which had been Lower end buers for the properties mostly in ajamn, most about 90% bought with the Promise of visa and 50% did not want to live but wanted quick sell.
3. 15% mixed nationalities mostly from easteren Europe when they saw that Euro is very expensive here they though it is good country to live [ Now Euro is back lost about 25%], that factor is also gone.
major Problems are
1. less end user
2. No water and energy for the projects
3. Decreasing oil price hence decreasing jobs
4. To much over speculation both in realestate Price and rents

Duabi Govt is trying its best by to support but it does not have cash reserves or oil [i dont know how much Abu Dhabi is ready to Contribute] at least they are not ready in energy sector.
I think most of these projects will be rearrange to low cost projects and Visa facility has to be reinstated if End user market is the Traget.
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(36956)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 09:19 PM PST 
Request for Overseas

request for all overseas pakistani

***to please send your dollars through such means that tehy reach pak

***do not save few dollars and send via illegal means as they donot come here and dollars aready held by money changers are delivered to

***sacrifice a bit to strenghten ur country atleast donot let us ZERO-00

jameel replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:15 PM PST 

UBL and Habib bank is giving very good service, One should send by Banks only as it is more safe and there is legal record which Stays for Long time, especially if you intend to buy property, You sould have legal track form where many came and how it was paid to seller Party,

Ali - OS replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:50 PM PST 

Mostly overseas now sending trough banks only, As I know from Gulf Countries.

A.M.BUTT (DOHA QATAR) replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:46 PM PST 

Zero-00 I am fully agree with my friends that every one from overseas should send money through Banks and remember time is coming when every body will have to prove the property and money sources and that time only Bank record will be legal source of your property proof.

Another request to all my overseas brothers who have book plot in DHAI Valley overseas block (Remember overseas block) plots books by us dollars ( to send the names passports no and file no wich you will receive very soon (I may sue the case to the Cort against DhaI authority (I am collecting some details and actual area and price in compare with other phases. Please be in
contact ( Phone no- /

adnan replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 01:59 PM PST 

hi

Is the money send through SAMBA speedcash is contributing to pakistan economy from saudi arabia.if so kindly explain as i understand speedcash has joint venture with mcb who delivers the money to bank account of receiver or the nominated person in pakistan

rgds

Overseaspakistani replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 01:52 AM PST 

We should send dollars to Pakistan so that Asif Zardari Chor can steel it and send to Swiss banks.

FAZAL MEHMOOD - LONDON replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 07:00 AM PST 

A SALAM-O-ALAKOM MAY ALLAH BLESS ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD AMEEN.
I LIVE HERE IN LONDON AND SENDING DOLLERS OR PONDS TO PAKISTANTHROUGH LEGAL WAY IS NOT A PROBLEM BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS OUR POLITICAL LEADERS WHO ARE THE BIGGEST LOOTERS OF PAKISTAN HOW CAN SOME ONE ASSURE THAT THE FOREIGN EXCHANGE WILL BE TRUELY USED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF PAKISTAN AND PAKISTANI,S THESE LEADERS PUT THE MONEY IN THEIR OWN POCKETS OR TRANSFER IT BACK IN TO THEIR OWN FOREIGN ACCOUNTS. AND ANOTHER THING WHEN THEY ASK FOR DOLLERS WHY THEY DONT DO AN IMPARTIAL ACCOUNTIBILITY OF ALL THE CORRUPT PEOPLE WHO LOOTED PAKISTAN. I AND ALL THE PAKISTANI,S WHO LIVE ABROAD LOVE PAKISTAN AS LIKE ANY OTHER PAKISTANI. ALLAH HAFIZ

OVERSEAS PAKISTANI replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 02:45 PM PST 

WHO WILL benifited OPs $ poor = No? so what
All the patriotic muslim, General, berocate, polician, jagir dar, wakeel, governemtn emloyees bought their flat in dubai/london, do not bee fool to expatriates every time.

What pakistan give you overseas pakistani, Like DHAI housing socirty 40 km away (DHAI Valley), OPF Valley. We do not have medical facility/insurence, we do not have qouta in well name school.

If our kids try to get admission, in cadet college, they are you father is military man? no so get out?

if i am sick in my old age, i go to hospital, they will tell, jwani main dolloun main khailtay rehay hoo, wheeen hawooo jeu=hannn say iaya hoo.



WHY NOT GOVERNMENT ASK GOLD FROM PUBLIC TO PUT IN STATE BANK CUSTODY.
OUR POOOR PEOPLE HAVE MINIMUM 1KM GOLD. TRY AND CHECK?

akhtar replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 03:07 PM PST 

Dear A.M.BUTT Sahib,

I have also applied in DHAI valley (Overseas Block) and thinking to ask refund from DHAI islamabad.

t have try to send you mail but your email is looks like ful.

my email is :
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(36955)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 08:20 PM PST 
Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse Nov PM

DHA Lahore Phase 5 . Allocation 1 Kanal seller at 41 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension. Allocation: Buyer(s) at 29.25 Sellers(s) at 29.50 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 6 Allocation: Sellers(s) at 44.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 7 Allocation: Sellers(s) at 23.50 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation: Buyer(s) at 36.80 Seller(s) at 36.85 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation: Buyer(s) at 15.15 Seller(s) at 15.20


Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation OPEN file Buyer(s) at 31.50 Seller(s) at 31.55 Lacs

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation Transfer file Buyer(s) at 31.80 Seller(s) at 31.85


Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 22.05 Seller(s)at 22.20 Lacs.

Bahria Lahore Sector C 10 marla 2 Paid at 1.81 Lacs
Bahria Lahore Sector C 10 marla 3 Paid at 2.36 Lacs


Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 9 10 marla 3 paid file buyers at 1.79 lacs sellers at 1.81 lacs

Bahria Town Rawalpindi Phase 9 10 marla 2 paid file buyers at 1.298 lacs sellers at 1.31 lacs

Profit Awami Villas Rawalpindi Standard = 28000 or Less
Profit Awami Villas Rawalpindi Premier = 25000 or Less
Profit Awami Villas Lahore Standard = 70000 or Less
Profit Awami Villas Lahore Premier = 60000


DHA Islamabad Phase 2 Extension 1 kanal allocation file 9.35 Lacs.

DHA Lahore Phase 5 plots 67 lacs to 120 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 6 plots 43 lacs to 70 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 7 plots 28 lacs to 50 Lacs

DHA phase 8 Parkview and Air Avenue plots 56 lacs to 90 Lacs.


DHA 8 Air Avenue Lahore
10 Marla 35 to 50
20 Marla 60 to 78
40 Marla 125 to 140

DHA 8 Park View Lahore
10 Marla 33 to 38 Plus Dev Charges
20 Marla 55 to 75
40 Marla 95 to 135

Latest Maps From Lahore Real Estate


DHA Islamabad Phase 2 Ext Detailed Rates

A B C D block file cost about 17.00 To 19 lacs
E F G H block file cost about 14 To 16 lacs
J H K block file cost about 12 To 14.50 lacs
P Q R S T block file cost about 9.70 TO 11.00 lacs

These are going rates of BT ph 8 pindi

Bahria Towm Rawalpindi Phase 8 10 Marla 3.10 Lacs plus 4.95 Lacs as development charges

Bahria Towm Rawalpindi Phase 8 1 Kanal 8 to 9.50 Lacs plus 6.50 Lacs as development charges


*** Always deal with Registered/Authorized Dealers only ***

Rates you can trust provided by:

Ch. Mujahid Yasin (CMY)
Lahore Real Estate
Registered/Authorized Dealer (DHA, EMAAR, Bahria Town, Urban Developers, etc.)
+92-300-400-9967
+92-322-400-9967
eMail: LRE786@GMail.com

http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com/

Bokhari replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 01:30 AM PST 

AOA CMY SB.

Will you please confirm if 40 Marla of PV is correct?
40 Marla 95 to 135

I am more interested in 40 Marla in E block and in first three blocks from main blvd.

Thank you

Curious replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 02:12 AM PST 

DHAI Phase 2 ext. lowest mentioned
prices are different.

Example,

DHA Islamabad Phase 2 Extension 1 kanal allocation file 9.35 Lacs.

P Q R S T block file cost about 9.70 TO 11.00 lacs

Lowest do not match up. why?

just curious replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 02:21 AM PST 

Dear CMY sahab,

Thank you for the great service you are providing to everyone through this site .... Can you please clarify the price of H block. Regards.

E F G H block file cost about 14 To 16 lacs
J H K block file cost about 12 To 14.50 lacs
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(36954)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 08:12 PM PST 

Wednesday, November 12, 2008
By Faryal Najeeb

KARACHI: As property markets in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) face a critical slump, local investors are turning away from the Arab country and are starting to look towards Pakistan, Malaysia and Turkey.

Experts in the field say all the investment money that had flown out of the country towards Dubai and other emirates is now coming back.

“Ajman is completely dead, whereas Dubai, which had 13 per cent of Pakistani investors’ money in the real estate sector, is left grappling with eight per cent,” stated Munir Sultan, Senior Vice-Chairman of the Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry Sub-committee on Housing and Construction.

“The UAE has injected about $40 billion for lending purposes, and mortgage lender Amlak has had to be merged owing to fears of bankruptcy,” said Sultan. He explained that Pakistanis had booked properties in Dubai and Ajman to make a profit, but eventually discovered that they had incurred a loss after being swindled by several middlemen.

“There were no builders, and of course, a structure cannot stand on its own without one.”

He revealed the UAE market had declined by 21 per cent. According to him, local investors who had invested in the Arab country were mostly those who had dipped one hand in shares of the local stock exchange, and the other in UAE real estate.

“Since both have been hit hard at the same time, these investors are feeling the pain. It’s disastrous for Pakistani investors.” Sultan further said the reason for the downtrend is an imbalance between the demand and supply in the UAE real estate market. He expatiated the rapid pace of construction in Dubai had led to saturation in the market.

The population level did not match the supply in the market, and eventually led to demand being next to nil. By way of example, Sultan pointed out that when the concept of freehold was introduced in Dubai, the pioneer one-unit villa projects had cost 1.5 million dirhams and reached as high as Dhs3.5 million during the peak of business. Today, the same projects cost Dhs2.8 million per villa.

He said however, not all is bleak for the local Pakistani investors who can now turn to both Pakistan and Malaysia. Malaysia remains the preferred alternative, as its currency is the closest to UAE dirham in terms of the exchange rate.

Malaysia also has international buyers, a strong tourism industry, cheap labour, and freehold properties. ‘Malaysia- My second home’ is a government-owned scheme that has charm for Pakistani investors, particularly in light of how Dubai changed its visa policy and dropped the permanent residency clause for foreigners. Nevertheless, Sultan commented Malaysia has lower profit margins compared to the UAE and even Pakistan. “Malaysia is a tourist-based country,” said he. “Its population is much higher than the UAE, but the real estate sector has not been attractive in the past two years. The stagnant market has turned off investors, whose aim is to maximise investments and earn profits.

Sultan believes that with Malaysia, it is not likely that investors will be able to gain profits any time soon. Yet another country, Pakistani investors had look, was Turkey, but he said that here, too, low profits have discouraged them. “They (investors) have returned to the pavilion,” he remarked. Sultan added that there the local market was buzzing with the positive vibes of a ‘buying market’, and that the response to new projects had so far been good.

“All those rumours about banks being defaulted and the freezing of lockers had a good effect on real estate, if nowhere else,” he said. “People took out their money in bulk, and when they did not know what to do with all the cash, they invested in properties. Normally, we have builders launching projects during Eid, and this season, we witnessed a large number of projects than usual.” As the cost of building material edges down, so the cost of construction, according to Sultan, encourages new projects. He predicted the real estate market will have stabilised by 2010. “However, the next ten days are crucial,” warned Sultan. “Dubai is expected to slide down by a further 17 to 18 per cent.”

sbaig replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:28 PM PST 

What is the source of this article?

Rehman Asad (usa) replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 01:50 AM PST 

It is from the daily english newspaper The News

sbaig replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 01:49 PM PST 

Thanks Mr. Rehman
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(36953)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 07:33 PM PST 
SCOPE OF STATE LIFE 2 AND DEVELOPMENT STATUS

Dear All, AoA

Can anyone give the comment on the subject. I shall be thankful.

Talabgaar
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(36952)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 03:49 PM PST 
Riches to Rags

DFM Duabi Finacial market is seeing worst Crisis in History,
Emmar Share has Fallen below 3.5 which was 16 exactly 11 Months back and stated more than 10 many years. This is burst of Dubai property bubble, But other Companies which has no connection with realesate Like Tele Com , Air arabia etc are also low.
My question is to experts if Emmar share falls to this level what effects it causes on Company's Plans. One thing I understand that it cant collect money for Coming Projects by Public offerings [new shares] what else happens to Company if it crashes in Stock market,
Can Experts shed light on it, quoting examples.

Ahmed replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:35 PM PST 

Inability to raise money u have already mentioned. Worst problem is that if the investors are unable to sell properties, A subtanital number of people will stop paying installments to the developer. When the company will not get moeny it will not be possible for them to payback the interest and principal payments to the banks from where they have borrowed money. Another factor is that banks will stop financing the contractors that if investor is not paying to developer how the devloper will pay to the contractors. If contractor is not paid by developer how will the contractor pay back to the bank. This loop will lead to the delay of the project completion and some projects which have not started as yet may be cancelled. Another thing is that when developer develops a barren desert, the increase in price of the land is shown as the profit. Whenthe
prices are going down it has to be reflected as loss. Loss again means short of cash which again means no payment to contractors leading to delays in project completion and cancellation of projects. I have tried my best to keep it simple.
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(36951)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 03:21 PM PST 
Local Real Estate Revives as UAE market spirals down

Local Real Estate Revives as UAE market spirals down

Daily The News : November 12, 2008

As property markets in the UAE face a critical slump, local investors are turning away from the Arab countries and are starting to look towards Pakistan, Malaysia and Turkey


Brother CMY was absolutly right when he forecasted the condition of UAE market couple of months back

Allah Hafiz

Investor replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 04:01 PM PST 

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Investor replied on Friday, June 6, 2008 10:15 AM PST

1. By definition, every apartment or villa which is not ready to move in and you pay for its booking and/or installments is a File until it is completed and delivered. That is what file means. It does not necessarily means a file associated with a plot. Anything "Expected-To-Be a Material Asset" but not yet, is a File.

2. Most Dubai properties are just
Files being sold from one owner to the next in a chain of MOUs with every person in the chain taking a piece of the pie (profit). This is no different from MLM and is destined to collapse sooner or later. No such business and no such idea has ever survived where without doing anything many people in a chain get profit at the expense of later ones in the chain.

3. At one time it reaches "The Critical Mass" where "The Chain" stops and "The Collapse" starts.

Pardesi, Jeddah replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 04:50 PM PST 

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Pardesi, jeddah replied on Sunday, July 6, 2008 01:54 PM PST

In the given politico-economic situation one should remain optimistic but realistic, though forces drag otherwise. Given the UK crunch lets see how many benefit before the UAE bubble burst; $5b per annum remiitance of expats have limited choices in Pakistan elsewhere than to go for real estate....

Khan replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:36 PM PST 

Well said investor

Do yourself and country a favour and realise that a property (land + building)in Pakistan is far more precious than an imaginary mortgaged flat in credit fuelled economies like UAE, UK and USA.

alpha replied on Thursday, November 13, 2008 02:00 AM PST 

Newtons third law - bubble version : "what goes up comes down"

arsu replied on Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:51 AM PST 

Dear alpha if i recall it right, Newton's third law was "For every action, there is an equal and opposire reaction".Some gravitational pull might be involved in pulling something down, that goes up.cheers

alpha replied on Monday, November 17, 2008 10:55 PM PST 

Dear Arsu Sahab

AOA, Newton Sahab was lucky enough to not deal with financial volatilities of our current times and had enough time to rest in a balmy summer day under an apple tree and ponder upon a falling apple.


Asset
prices revert to the mean, how long does it take for mean reversion depends upon the number of irrational market participants, which are plenty in Pakistan and Dubai Real Estate Markets. Absence of derivatives and shorting of Pakistani/Dubai Real Estate assets further prolongs the time to mean reversion.

Newton Sahab's third law in the presence of gravity (i.e. real estate) will translate to alpha-coined bubble version.

My personal, rather naive, litmus test for a bubble is when you over-hear three conversations, on the street, over tea, or during a flight to Pakistan about a particular asset, just run away from that asset as quickly as possible.

regards
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(36950)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 02:04 PM PST 
DHAI 10 Merla Corner Plot for Sale

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Features
For Sale
Islamabad
DHA
II
G
1
10
5B
Corner, ideal for self construction
10 Merla corner plot in Defence Phase II (proper for sale) for sale. Very close to Islamabad Highway. Ideal for constucting home for self. Only serious buyers contact immediately.



Habib replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 02:07 PM PST 

anu idea of price??

Khan replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:43 PM PST 

I will be interested to find out the asking price too.
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(36949)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 02:03 PM PST 
One Kanal for sale in EME Society

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Block
Plot
Size
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
Lahore
EME
A
301
one kanal
83 Lac
Corner, Facing park
Exchange with 32 marala with extra price adjustment is also possible. Area of plot is more than one Kanal. Thanks
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(36948)
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 01:23 PM PST 
Future of NFC Phase 2

Dear CMY
I will be grateful if U inform us about your opinion for the future of NFC Phase 2. I have two plots. How much time i required for its development. Or advise me for better option if available. I have paid only one installement for development. When this society will be developed. Thanks a lot in advance.

Adil Saeed replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 02:03 PM PST 

Development is expected to start anytime now. We will keep you posted here. Once the development is started. Blocks A & B can be delivered for possession and construction within one year for. There are only few hundered plots in blocks A and B, and does not required long time to develop. Later on gradual delivery of blocks, E, D, C etc will be given within 2 to 3 years of start of development.

NFC Phase 2 has better and direct approach from Multan Road compared with other nearby societies like Bahria Town, Sui Gas phase 2, AWT, etc. Since price is very low and approach is better, after possession is given, it is expected to be populated much sooner than nearby societies. It is the best low-budget investment in Lahore if you are investing for 3 to 5 years.

Please search discussions to know more.

NFC Phase 2: Introduction  |  Location  | Details  | Map  | Discussions  | Plots For Sale

For further details and best deals in NFC Phase 2, please call me.

Adil Saeed

Lahore Real Estate

+92-322-400-9766
+92-300-400-9766

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Habib replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 03:50 PM PST 

NFC 2 is grossly underperforming, I dont know why they are not starting Development, Though there is no Problem in land neither any Fraud. They are exteremely lazy people, and they are not taking into account that due to Infalation they will not be able to do good development in 6 Lac per Kanal.
I dont know why sometimes good soicties also do like this, the possible reasons could be......
1. By decreasing the Moral of investors some insiders can buy back plots at very cheap rates.
2. They know that even if they develop now this area will be fesible for residence in 7,10 years, So tghey will have to Crpet the Roads again as is done by Johar town, Valncia etc
3. They are waiting for another boom or at least end of Slump, So that they can hit when Iron is hot.
DHA Lahore's Many projects are going slow due to same reason [No 3]
But conclusion it never sell it if you have good loation Plot here. It has location even Better than bahria, You will get no money if you sell now.
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Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:56 AM PST 
Estimating construction liability loss

If inflation in cement prices is a good indicator of pre-paid construction liablities, cement prices n Pakistan increased by more then 50% in last year alone. (Price of 50 kg back jumped from Rs245 to Rs. 385 in a year). I am not sure how DHA lahore hedges its risks, but it essentially means the cost of developing areas such as Phase 7 has increased by atleast 50%. This means that investors in DHA 9/10 phases may end up covering DHA phase 7 construction costs.
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(36946)
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:26 PM PST 
Available for Rent

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Rent
Lahore
Askari
9
10Marla
ZararShahe
Best Offer
Posh Locality
Available for Rent
10 Marla House, Muzzafar Design is available for rent in Askari 9, Zarar Shaheed Road, Lahore Cantt. 3 Bed all with attached baths, TV lounge, large terrace, large drawing/dining, spacious kitchen, servant room, garden, parking. Safe secure community, 24 hours security. All rooms are spacious. Shops and mosque within walking distance. Please contact: Faisal Estate, , , , Email:
Owner is asking for best offer.
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(36945)
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 09:18 PM PST 
ROTI- KAPRA--DHA plot

DHA-valley or ext-2 is the first step to give mukaan to all pakistani out of the people selected roti-kapra-mukaan goverment

Thanks replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 04:55 AM PST 

Nice joke
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(36944)
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 09:13 PM PST 
AM SAD TODAY

*** people study medical education here because it is cheap here,then they left the country to go and setteld abroad they have study on poor man taxes

***people came here for tratment like dental,transplant,cardiac as it is cheap here

***people take wheat (ATTA) form poor man mouth and smuggle it out

why they are making us ZERO-00

Ali3 replied on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:21 PM PST 

because we are sleeping. We cry but dont make an effort for a REVOLUTION! Hazrat Ali said mazloom is bigger sinner than the zalim.

junaid replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 01:23 AM PST 

Dear Zero **You should look at it this way>>>>>
** if people from outside come here to study then they pay in dollars .. and if they are local and becoming doctors here and go out they send dollars from outside (like philippin export many nurses outside india sends IT professionals to make money)
**People come from outside for treatment then they are bring money and business(like china have set hospitals for forigners and make money) .. good for us good for local doctors and economy..
***Only Few bad people do smuggling for profit and yet we elect them .. rem our Agricultral country should have enough for us and for legal export .. (helping our poor people)
So don't be sad there is always good and bad in one thing .. we just have to do our part ..

Jameel replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 02:17 AM PST 

Yes I second Junaid we should make more professional and export them, Thanks God Pakistani education in Professional sector is still very good, An average Doctor and Engineer Fits in any system of world just after few months orientation.
On the other hand we dont need all these professional in pakistan most of them waste time in Paying utility bills and Picking and dropping their Children to svae pennies, where as their services are well paid abroad, On the other hand there are certain professonal who have to stay in pakistan due to some reason. Look at most of Engineers in Govt sectot, Thier Job is mostly that which is done by clerks or Public relation staff.

arsu replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 03:06 PM PST 

Let me put the facts Jameel.None of our universities appear in top 400 universities of the world.Standard of education in our professional institutions is pathetic,how students unions have polluted the campuses is known to everyone.There is hardly any research work going on in our engineering or medical colleges.Our professionals are not exposed to latest technological advancements happenibg in the world.Mechatronics, an essential branch of engineering has been introduced to few of our engineering universities almost 2 years ago, whereas it is being taught in the world sice early 80's.West in not redy to recognise our degrees, considering them below par.Yes our professionals do find some place in the Gulf, that too in mediocre companies.Big multinational companies in Gulf too, prefer Western expats for high profile jobs.Talking about medical profession, no body knows our doctors unless the acquire fellowship from royal college of physicians, which offcourse everybody cannot afford.None of our state owned hospitals has got international accreditation (JCAHO).(Not to be taken as criticism, just putting the facts).

ZERO-00 replied on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 09:10 PM PST 

thanks for support
***NUST university is in top wolrd 400 universities.
***we still need good doctors for the guidance of poor nation with whom taxes they are doc****as every doc was helpless and needful when he joins the medical school ***and when he become doc he feel above all

may Allah bless Pakistan replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 05:24 AM PST 

mr jameel and mr junaid

some iranian people studying (masters degree) abroad have told , that they have paid 2000$ to the iranian goverment for leaving the country after a master degree in science from an iranian uni..and they felt absolutely fine with paying this amount..because in their opinon the seat they have been studing on could have been used by a person who would benefit the country..those iranians were proud of their home country but it because they were not muslim and didnt had the freedom as nonmuslim...but still they were not against the rules concerning the education system...

the conclusion is that it is very costly for a county to produce academics in other words they are the cream who should stay in the country and serve the country ..the country which have given them the golden opportunity.

may allah bless Pakistan replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 05:29 AM PST 

the iranians didnt pay 2000$ but 20000$ and it was 4 years ago
sorry for the miscalculation

Junaid replied on Friday, November 14, 2008 10:02 AM PST 

Dear Friend you are missing my point and giving example of nonmuslim iranian in muslim country where they have to pay 20000 just to use their basic right of freedom to chose ..
My point is that we should make education as business like other countries (india, russia, south america etc) are doing by educating people and send them to bring forign reserve ...
one doctor in pakistan makes only 20,000 Rs a month and spend most of it on him and hardly serve .. where as one doctor makes 15,000 dollars a month if he send back only 1000 dollars ..it will produce many more jobs here in pakistan for others and many more people will be able to become doctors ...
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