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Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:03 PM PST 
DHA PRISM 9

I think now prism 9 again all set for gain massively after limit increased from 30 to 40 lac threshold yesterday as rate for prism will be less than 40 lac and LRR is going to complete on 14th August 2017.

Surfer® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:01 PM PST 

Specially PRISM 5 marla's are now hot selling PRODUCTS. May be vanished from market in comming weeks.

ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:00 PM PST 

Also 9 Town I think
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:44 PM PST 
New DC value of Capital Gain

I have a question please correct me if I am wrong

New DC value will be 200-300% more so FOR EXAMPLE if DC value was 7 lac now it will be 21 lac.
Market Value of plot is 50 lac.

So there wont be any capital gain as even New DC value will be under 40lac

Am I right please advice.

Regards

Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:48 PM PST 

Also adding to question when New DC value list will be published?

Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:59 PM PST 

I am sorry I means WHT.

Also 200-300% is for residential plots as well? As I read somewhere that for residential increase will be less
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:16 PM PST 
Short term investor will shift to 5 marla

With the new tax amendments, basic threshold of Rs 3 million for the application of withholding tax on the purchase of immovable property has been enhanced to Rs 4 million. Any transaction within one year will be subject to 10% gains tax above the threshold.

This means 5 Marla plots will be new turf of short term trading and their prices will be jacked up. This will be disadvantageous to smaller property buyers to build house. But as soon as it reached to 4 million then is the level playing field because it has entered into tax limit. By hitting 4 million threshold will have lost the advantage of being CGT free and may lost interest with short term traders.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:28 PM PST 

Zahid Saab short term trader is still happy as within one calendar tax year rate list is same. So do sale purchase at official price between July 1st 2016 to June 30 2017 will have no tax trigger. So 3 kind of ppl will gain the most.

A. PLOTS UNDER 40 LACS
B. SELL AND BUY INVESTORS DEALERS WITHIN SAME TAX YEAR TILL NEXT JULY 1 2017.
C. LONG INVESTORS OVER 3 YEARS

Win win for all

Open Eyes replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:21 PM PST 

Everybody is focusing on CGT.....no one is talking about WHT impact, which will be the real killer for short term investors as from onward it will be calculated on FBR rate.....The negotiators are happy but in my opinion they miss this point (If base in increase then WHT rate must come down as Ishaq Dar advise to provincial governments to increase DC rate and reduce tax rates)

SIM replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:40 PM PST 

You are right. Paying 4% advance tax on market value will be a big chunk of total amount.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:24 PM PST 

In Pak avg plot gained 20% so ppl still want to buy.
Plus WHT is refundable when you file tax.

User_6006® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 05:28 AM PST 

govt have shaken the trust of investor successfully . no buyer in market you will see in coming days ,govt purposefully complicated all , only genuine buyer will be available in market , actually in my view in greed and haste govt kill his own earnings
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:54 PM PST 

Dear All,
Can anyone clarify pls
If I buy a property today, the new fair value FBR rate will apply. I sell the same property next month, since the FBR rate will remain the same, how will the gain be calculated in order to calculate capital gain tax?

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:25 PM PST 

No tax within one calendar tax year from July 1st 2016 to June 30 2017.

New rates will come every June 30th for following year.

Within one year sale purchase on same rate list will trigger no tax affect.

Arif M® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:00 PM PST 

So if we sell something within a year and make some profit on it (Say 2 million).. then how will it become white money.. while it is not declared in documents? As there are no change in rates by FBR within year.??

Jehanzeb Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:06 PM PST 

FBR rates are minimum rates. If you made a profit within a year you need to write the actual value to make that profit white and pay 5% CGT on it. Otherwise your profit would be black money

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:08 PM PST 

It's same as with DC it use to be. Ishaq Dar and FBR basically are giving a flat rate for us which will change every budget year. They want continuity abs certainty in market not worried about white or black.
Did they do any thing earlier. Today also they dint say they will go after older transactions.

Basically giving tax is a new thing in Pak so will take a decade before fully documented economy.

Szaidi® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:54 PM PST 

As per new terms If anybody sell within a year it will come under table of 0-1 year and capital gain tax will be 10%.

Not Registered 8684 replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:44 PM PST 

Once the FMV remain the same during the year and the capital gain is Zero i.e. FMV (selling) less FMV (buying) = zero
Then the capital gain tax will be:
10% * zero = zero
The CGT is zero if tou buy and sell in the same tax year.

Jaffar.abhatti replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:53 PM PST 

Once the FMV remain the same during the year and the capital gain is Zero i.e. FMV (selling) less FMV (buying) = zero
Then the capital gain tax will be:
10% * zero = zero
The CGT is zero if you buy and sell in the same tax year.

CMY never registered me. I tried several times.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:25 PM PST 

Jaffar Saab is right. If you buy and sell and mention the stated price.

Sheikh_at® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 09:30 PM PST 

True. No capital gain tax if sold before 30th june. People are worrying over capital gain tax, infact, main worrying is advance tax on fair market value espiecially for non filers which will be equivalent 8% for buying and selling as most people involved are non filers

I replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:12 PM PST 

Sheikh Saab. CVT stamp every one was giving before that. We all agree and still lots of gains. Now WHT over 40 lacs value instead of 2 is 4. So all else same. Market will move forward.

Still no income tax
Still no gains tax after 3 years.
Overseas Pakistanis become filer and reduce or get refund on WHT also.

Market has realized that all over world some form of taxation still Pak is very less and returns quiet high.
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(75343)
Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:09 AM PST 
Impact on prices

Dear CMY and experts on this forum

Thanks for all the efforts and updates

What will be the impact of increase in fair market value in short and long term on high priced properties especially Commercial plots in phase 9 Prism ....

Any comments ?

Thx

Dr Omer replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:15 AM PST 

And also on phase 8 commercial
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:33 AM PST 
Market news CMY thank you

Very good outcome. I had many friends on fence who want to buy as
1 transparency. We know what to pay at
2 all old transactions are safe older then 3 yrs
3 rates are reasonable as 5% by 3rd yr
4 Lahore is getting so much infrastructure mega projects so paying tax on profit is fair and it is reasonable
5. This is on gains if next year rate up only then you will give tax of your gain. It is not flat tax.
6. Less then 40 lacs all 5 Marla plots big gainers. Sell and buy them as much as you want.
7. Now all transactions will be transparent no state bank values
8. I listened Ishaq Dar conference and frankly I dint imagined they will give in that much and that soon.
9. Over all neat clean and transparent development
10. Investors want clarity and they got. Rest tax on gains all over the world ppl pay lot higher then this
11. London you pay 28%. Canada where I am 25%.
12. Thanks to Allah

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:37 AM PST 

CMY Saab get ready to be busy again. Inshallah coming in September need 1 more plot was waiting for market clarity. My friend is in Pak and with money in hand was sitting on fence as no clarity. Now inshallah will Watsapp him and tell this news as his flight back is August end. So he can buy with confidence.
Ishaq Dar said on Monday inshallah he will introduce legislation also.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:05 AM PST 

Ishaq Dar also told a very good news.
No special audit or scrutiny FBR as in past will do same. Neither increase or decrease. Same policy as old.
Also all older properties older then 3 yrs prior to this law need to pay no tax.
Old money is neither black nor white.
Business as usual if plot bought 3 yrs ago if with in 3 yrs and selling then only 5% of gain.

Also Ishaq Dar said in Lahore property value was close to DC and it was not as bigger gap as they thought.

Ishaq Dar said we are worried for overseas Pakistanis and we need there remittances so we made it very transparent process. Now capital will come to Pak and not fly.

Surfer® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:31 AM PST 

@ Hassan i think now property will on the rise again & your friend will now pay more if delayed to due huge Infra struture. Now is the situation don't delay just buy.
Yes its good news for all of us & Market comes alive again "In shaa ALLAH"

FAA.awan® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:54 AM PST 

As I told a few days before,govt cannot afford to stop real estate sector because of many hidden challenges.Try to understand DHA and other strong stakholders and builders' power.Now a good news for investors and property lovers.5m and 8m plots' price can jump within this month so far my sources are. As 40 lac amount is above any tax,good for small investors.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 09:47 AM PST 

Ahmad Saab within one calendar year

July1 2016. To. June 30 2017

You can sell as an investors unlimited times with no gains as
prices will be revised every calendar year plus with discussions and input from stake holders Ishaq Dar repeatedly said he will listen to all in future.

Also this gain tax will only be paid when you file tax and then can deduct commissions other taxes and WHT etc.

All in all reasonably documented society and same old FBR what they were doing previously same officers still there. No one here was asking previously and no one ask still. Ishaq Dar said he wants system to run and has fixed uncertainty and no one will be harassed now.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:14 AM PST 

Dear Hassan, thanks for clarification. But if one is doing unlimited transactions & not a filer too then one is converting white money to black only. I think this will be hard now that one earn millions and FBR keep eyes closed. That means Dar SAAB was only wasting time and money till today. PHIR TOO DAR SAAB NAY JHAAK HE MARI THEE.:) Well we all hope & pray for good. Amensity will not be announced again & again. we should document our transactions in future

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:12 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab within one calendar year you can mention on transfer time rate list of july1st 2016. This way you are transferring on FBR rate and will be legal as from

July 1st 2016. TO. June 30 2017.

As within one year rate list will be constant but on July 1st 2017 new rate list and if it is higher then last year then on difference of that when you will file tax you will pay on gains less all transactional cost of stamp, CVT, commission to agent, society charges etc.


Yes all in all ISHAQ DAR made a big hype and eventually overseas money and flight of capital to Dubai scared them and they are relieved to solve a self created problem.

Nabeel® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:42 PM PST 

What about Advance Tax for buyers...Is it correct that it has gone up to 4% for buyers who are non-filers? (Most people are still non-filers)

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:06 PM PST 

Dear Hassan Bahi, here confusion starts. Now I give you a case study. For example FBR value is 50 LAC but I purchase a plot in 70 lac. Since am overseas Pakistani like and this will not be problem to provide source of money at this stage. Assuming am very lucky and I am able to sale in 90 lacs within fiscal year. FBR value is still same and what I am getting from your or CMY point of view is that ask buyer to give you PO equal to FBR value and rest either cash or second PO. Technically I am not liable to pay 10% CGT because FBR value is same but same time am also converting 20 lac of capital investment and 20 lac of profit into black money. But if am very afraid from FBR & honest and put orginal buying and selling values. It will set reference for next year FBR values. This will also make hard to find buyer because next buyer has to provide source of income of my selling price. Please now give your analysis.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:39 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab yes generally within one year mention official FBR rate and zero gains tax liability.
But yes in second scenario if you declare true actual you will pay tax on difference of it as gains tax . But if you don't declare higher value then you have to keep it on the side like it is now or forever in Pak it is or was like that always so not new from real estate perspective.
Last part you asked if buyer will mind plot at higher value. No he will not mind as FBR has no concern to individual buying at more price then that as they will use there list anyways to calculate the difference.
Basically FBR and Ishaq Dar encourages ppl to use there rate list. Rest they are least bothered on what actual rate the transaction closed as long as it meets the threshold set by them.
They have made a standardized form just like DC was but higher value. But like DC this will be out of touch with actual transactions but more easy and simple. Pakistani culture tax style.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:48 PM PST 

ایک دفعہ کا ذکر ہے کہ دوسری جنگ عظیم میں ایک گاؤں کے نمبر دار کو فوجی بھرتی کر نے کا پیغام ملا۔ نمبردار نے بہت کوشش کی مگر گاؤں سے کوئی نوجوان لڑنے کے لئے تیار نہیں ہوا۔ آخر نمبردار نے ایک طریقہ سوچا اور سب نوجوانوں کو یہ بول دیا جو بھی حامی بھرے گا وہ ٹریننگ کے بعد کمیشنڈ رینک آفیسر کی ترقی پائے گا اور اس کی نوکری بھی پکی ہوگی ۔ بس پھر پورا گاؤں ہی تیار ہوگیا۔ سب نوجوان کے سے نمبردار انگریز ڈپٹی کمشنر کے دفتر حاضر ہوا اور نوجوان دفتر سے باہر انتظار میں بیٹھ گے۔ کافی دیر کے بعد نمبردار ڈپٹی کمشنر کے دفتر سے برآمد ہوا اور نوجوانوں کو خطاب کرتے ہوئے کہا۔ بھائیوں میں نے آپ کے مطالبات ڈپٹی صاحب کے سامنے رکھے مگر وہ نہ مانے۔ لیکن میں نے بھی ہمت نہیں ہاری اور اپنی بات پر اڑ گیا ۔صاحب نے کمیشنڈ آفیسر والی بات تو نہی مابی آخر کار ان کو میری یہ بات ماننا پڑی کہ نوجوانوں کو ٹریننگ بھی فری میں دے گے اور ٹریننگ کے بعد تنخواہ کے علاوہ وردی اور کھانا فری ملے گا ۔ بس پھر  کیا تھا نوجوانوں بے جوش میں آکر نمبر دار کو اپنے کندھوں پر اٹھا لیا۔

Now am afraid that similar not happen with us. Market leaders can declare this a big success just to break lock down. :)

Hussain replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:09 PM PST 

Guys - capital gains tax has always been there so the short term investors have always been dealing with it. The only changes vs last year are

1) change in values - 20-30% increase in residential DC value; 200-300% increase in commercial DC value (which will still be massively undervalued compared to market
prices)

2) change in capital gains tax period from 2 to 3 years!

So all is good and you will see the market back on track shortly IA

Regards

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:16 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab here FBR OR ISHAQ DAR OR BIG GUYS they all wanted an easy path as they are the stake holders means. They are the numberdar of your example and the villagers also and the commissioner also hehe

All big MNAs

Aleem Khan
Saad Rafiq
Anusha Rehman
Malik Riaz
LDA DG
Kyani bros
They have there own housing schemes. They all wanted a easy solution as there own stakes are much bigger then us.

MFA® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:26 PM PST 

I think its bit early to say any thing about the mechanism before it will be legalized and amended. However one thing which I have learnt from the press conference of Ishaq Dar is that one needs to pay 10% CGT and it will not be subject to threshold of 40 lacs. What I understood is that one need to pay 10% tax as a CGT on every transaction of property within one year. Also I learnt from one waseeqa nawees in Lahore that Govt. is taking CGT not on the profit but on the declared amount. However, this needs to be confirmed, and situation will be more clear afterwards. Any ideas?

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:00 PM PST 

I also know one more real example of past, one lady bought a plot in 90 in phase 8 and mentioned orginal buying price. Last year she was selling but the buyer back out last moment when he found actual buying price was mentioned because he cloudnt provide source of 90 lac. I think Ishaq Dar gave a free ticket for those who had purchased property from black money to quite and convert black to white. After that market will be dry for few years. Better don't rush for buying. Buying after few months is better once condations will be clear. Yes there is a chance if my guess wrong I will be buying expansive but other way I will be buying in less price.

Usama Javed® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:24 PM PST 

Mr. Ahamd can you guarantee that after few months we would be able to buy property at some discounted price keeping in view the massive infrastructure development taking shape in lahore? i do not believe so as if we hold our buying now we will end up paying more with passage of time for the same properties.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:46 PM PST 

Dear Usama, frankly speaking no guarantee because situation is quite confusing. Since am already holding plot so am not in hurry. I will take my posation to take a chance to buy in less price. Secondly I don't want to jump in well blindly and will wait for proper notifications and understanding. But everyone is free to take own posation. Here we are just discussing theories.

momi replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:10 PM PST 

Ha Ha Ahmad Hassan love the story. This is exactly what has happened with us and we are celebrating. But honestly this sector had to taxed long time back.

Ahmed Khan replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:27 PM PST 

Dear Hussain Sahib, of what i understand by & large you are correct, there are minor adjustments.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:34 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab in this country every one gets pass. This is only if you file tax you pay. Who were not filing before will still kit file. Also after 3 years every ones income is white if they don't sell. Ppl who were earlier abusing the system will still do.
Ishaq Dar wanted every one to carry on without any extra fear. He said we are same old FBR just pay us little more and no one will big no one.
This is Pakistan here every one is accommodated.
If for this reason you sitting on fence don't as I am predicting inshallah this news has almost being absorbed and ppl have no other avenue.
1 Gold ppl don't want to buy as more volatile
2. Interest rate historic low so no charm in bank saving accounts
3. Dubai no charm as dead returns or minus
4. Dollar pound not recommended as stagnant or down.
5. Stock exchange ppl small investors fear that it is manipulated when big guys want they take gains

So REAL ESTATE is only good choice for middle class.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:46 AM PST 

I have just uploaded new and full video with all details about taxes. Please watch this important video to fully understand how the new taxes will be imposed.

https://youtu.be/vsyNEvoTNHg




Please also note capital gains tax will be charged as per Fair Value Chart made by FBR with property dealers suggestions which is almost 200 to 300% higher than the present DC rates in 21 cities of Pakistan.

You will pay capital gains tax on profit amounts only when you will file tax returns and profits amount subjected to gains tax will be after deductions of your property transfer fees and dealers commissions etc.


But since its a provincial matter to set own DC rates CVT/Stamp duty will be charged on provincial DC rates which are also being increased by 35 % in Punjab on average from last years DC rates. It is understand able increase as property in Lahore have almost doubled since last in most projects.



I strongly suggest and request all dealers buyers sellers to use FBR market rates table in their sale deeds. Must tell your dealers to write only FBR market value in sale deed and pay order should be made only for that amount even if actual price is higher or lower. (Text me on Whatsapp to know the impact and great benefit / reason of this suggestion)

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Please do me a favor do save my both phone numbers on your phone contacts list + & +

User_6006® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:58 AM PST 

just saw your you tube video of today , thanks for reminding me that CGT implemented on properties above 30 lac in past and now 40 , was thinking y i paid 4500 CGT on property below 20 lac when i sold and hold a year , may be dealer cleverness

@Nom replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:59 AM PST 

No Doubt, this is good for investors but not for such persons who really want to make their home and want to get rid of rental houses, as plot rate are too high. Anyhow , good for investors.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:03 AM PST 

Very good outcome. Thanks to Allah

Sheikh_at® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:43 AM PST 

Cmy please also share fair market value by fbr of
dha lahore

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:35 PM PST 

CMY.

Please also discuss WHT, which is 2% for filer & 4% for non-filer on FMV.

Dealer_8042® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 11:41 AM PST 

Muzaffar Hashmi sahib and Nasir Aliyan sahib from Aliyan esates is present at the meeting representing Bahria town.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:02 AM PST 
Phase 8 S Block

It appears there has been a big jump in the value for S-Block, Phase 8.
Is this true and why is it so?

SHAHZAD20® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:12 AM PST 

BHAI NFC 2 IS A FAILED SOCIETY.

Asif Sardar replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:56 PM PST 

S block was always been underrated in beginning despite of its better
location (exactly on Barki raod). Better location than Ivy green or DHA 7.
under priced blocks surely give more returns later stage.
I now its turn of S block and i expect big jumps are possible.

Asif replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 07:01 PM PST 

Big jumps are possible but the price will not go higher than the exiting better located blocks etc X, W, V.
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(75339)
Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:44 AM PST 

#Tax Alert

Finance Division

Press Release

July 30, 2016

On the issue of Valuation of Property and related tax matters, the Federal Minister for Finance held successful talks with the property evaluators from all over the country at the Federal Board of Revenue on late Saturday evening. The main points of this discussion as agreed are:

· Valuation has been agreed for major cities

· Valuation tables will be notified by FBR instead of valuation by SBP approved valuers

· Till such time and for those areas for which no valuation tables are notified, DC rate will apply

· Holding period for CGT(capital gain tax) has been reduced from 5 to 3 years

· There will be no CGT on property held for more than 3 years

· Properties acquired on or after 1st July 2016:

o If holding period is up to 1 year - CGT 10%

o If holding period is between 1 and 2 years - CGT 7.5%

o If holding period is between 2 and 3 years - CGT 5%

o If holding period is more than 3 years - CGT 0% / exempt

· Properties acquired before 1st July 2016:

o If holding period is less than 3 years - CGT 5%

o If holding period is more than 3 years - CGT 0% / exempt

· Valuation will apply on (i) CGT (ii) withholding taxes (iii) for the purposes of sec 111

· Basic threshold of Rs 3 million for application of withholding tax on purchase of immovable property enhanced to Rs 4 milllion

· Appropriate legislation will be done to give effect to the proposed changes as agreed with all stakeholders

M Zahid® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:22 AM PST 

This will be win win situation for property market. Thanks for sharing
Which are the 20 cities

Babbi replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:40 AM PST 

Good news for the market. Wise decisions by the concerned ones...

Kureshi® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:32 AM PST 

Thanks to Allah. I told everyone , stay positive.

Back to work !

KK® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:48 AM PST 

If u sell plot now how 5% rate will apply ,, how capital gain will b calculated

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:35 AM PST 

Thanks to ALLAH. ALLAH Tera shuker. Mashallah very happy with this news.
All should be happy
Win win for all
Alhamdolillah

FAA.awan® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:56 AM PST 

I think it overall good news for property market and will not affect the
prices as the people were expecting.Only somewhat correction is being seen nothing else.Good for Small plots holders (5m and 8m) category,as 40 lac amount has no CGT tax or Wht tax etc.(a good exemption).I think we should accept new tax as natural calamity and restart our business once again.Allah will help us in this field.Nothing more relaxation in tax is expected from this ruthless govt and Ishaq dar.Now Be ready and rebuild your dream once again.

aylaa replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:55 PM PST 

Same story will be repeated every yearv should kick out noon league in next elections
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:37 AM PST 

please evaluate price for DHA Phase 7, near W975. Thanks!
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(75336)
Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:41 PM PST 
"Generosity"

Other than Tax I like to share an interesting experience in Past.

Looking at my interest in property many many of my friends and relatives get advices, In Feb 2014 One of my close relative was interested in Buying land for house and gave me the task, Looking at his financial Condition and available funds I searched for him a property on Gt Road near interchange in 1.33 Lac/merla, It was Just 0.7 KM away from Gt road. I told him that price is great and I will add 50% of Total value as Good Will, You Just arrange 50% and Buy it. I could have Contributed all but I wanted to see his interest. After some reflections he thought he should not go for that and on advice of his father in Law invested in Gold.
After 2 years the area was nicely developed and few houses were there price gone to 4 to 5 Per merla in worst Locations. At the same time he lost about 30% in Gold Value.
Now i feel Sorry More than him.
Lesson is people with so many reflections and Doubts cant be property investors no matter how cheap it will be.

Real Estate is best replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:47 PM PST 

property jahan ho jese bhi ho khareed lani chahiye. property long run may kabhi lose nahe deti

Rana_Australia® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:52 PM PST 

Jameel bhai mujhe kitna tax lage ga on sale of plot in Phase 7 for 160.75

Lucky® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:21 AM PST 

Rana Sab.
I think 5 % CGT.
to exempt from CGT you need to wait for 3 years...like 2nd july 2019.

Siddique® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 08:22 PM PST 

Jameel bhai, after reading this story, i feel sorry for your relative as well. lower middle class or middle class people with limited budget always confuse and in confusion sometimes make wrong decision in investment. I wish good luck for future for your relative.
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(75335)
Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:36 PM PST 

Brothers AOA , I need to know exact tax on my plot in Phase 7 which I sold for 160.75 ( no commission ) . Transfer is next Wednesday .
I am least interested in CGT , Hi tea , Black tea ..bus bhai ye bata do tax kitna aur pocket mein kitne

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:04 AM PST 

What was this plot purchased ? within 3 years ?

Rana_Australia® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:12 AM PST 

No ..this year

New replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:32 AM PST 

5 percent which is 8 lac if you file cgt otherwise nothing only wht in your case

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

5% will be on the difference between purchase price & selling price. That is straight from the horse's mouth (Mr. Ishaq Dar).

User_13548® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:26 AM PST 

Dear all, please do not be mistaken from cgt as it would be 5% on the profit only and not on the plot price. Kindly
update yourself and relax. Example plot purchase at 50 lac, sold at 60 lac, profit gain is 10 lac, now 5% of 10 lac only.

Asif Sardar replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 07:09 PM PST 

Rana Sab ,

At what price you bought this plot?
Lets say you bought in 150 Lax (in year 2016) and now the price is 160 Lax.
If you sell now this plot in 160lax then the total gain or total profit is 10 lax.
Considering 10% CGT over 10 lax, you need to pay 100,000 Rupee tax.
In other words your property value is 159 lax.

Case 2:
Plot bought in 155 lax in 2016.
Selling in 160 lax in 2016
Capital Gain / Profit is 5 lax.
CG Tax (@10%) will be 50,000 Rupee.
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:17 PM PST 
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 09:53 PM PST 
Property Evaluation Win Win for all

Agreement reached on following decisions. legislation and notification will be issued
1. holding period reduced from 5 to 3 years
2. new fair values will be issued
3. CGT 10%, 7.5% and 5% for three years
other details in press soon
:cl :cl :cl

Muhammad Asif® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 09:57 PM PST 

good news... source?

KK® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 09:57 PM PST 

If u sell after 3 years then no capital gain tax??

BAJWA® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:00 PM PST 

yes no CGT for more than 3 years and value for WHT increased from 3M to 4M.
source is Ishaq Dars and real estate representatives press conference

Umer135® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:01 PM PST 

Now 10% CGT on sale within one year. But how? can anyone explain please. As the FBR valuation will remain same for one year, means purchase & sale value same for the subject year,so no capital gain (sale-purchase)
Experts opinion are appreciated in this regard.

Usama Javed® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:06 PM PST 

Congratulations to All. Much needed breakthrough indeed.

manan replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:10 PM PST 

Bawja sb
please post calculation of all taxes. For example kanal prism plot if purchased or sold after 1or2or3 years.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:44 PM PST 

These would be successful for those who were involved in talks with GOVT. Win win for GOVT only. Only FBR will decide fair values of market which canot be fair and they are going to probe previous data too. Don't be happy, say welcome to next slump in Market and wait for FBR notices at home.

Asad replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:53 PM PST 

Congratulation to All" Great News
Thanks God

SIM replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:17 PM PST 

Price evaluation still by FBR. So what is the achievement? You dont expect any thing good from this Ishaq Dar.

Jameel Mughal® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:21 PM PST 

That is OK again for Long term Holders But Most of People who are
revolving here and there and help the property up beating Keep Less than 3 ys .
Another? 10%, 7.5% and %5 of what Difference of old DC and Fair market or Fair Market value?

Again I will say quick buying and selling is hall mark of any good Business and Economy does a lot of effort to keep this wheel revolving at fast pace, This will Cause slow down of Turn over. I don't know what Govt will be getting out of it.

Like If one Plot is Sold 3 times in Year Govt Gets a Lot of revenue, Housing society Gets and Dealers as well and Price appreciates, if You Force the people to Hold what benefit is Going to happen??

All 3 parties will get less revenue and only good thing that might Come is price will Come down a Bit as it will not be lucrative for business and hence end user may get some benefit.

In My opinion Govt should Come with more investor friendly Policies where turnover should be faster than Slower, Like making Processes faster, transparent and easier. If they are interested in CGT that should be %age of Fair market Value and should Not be 10,7.5 and 5 But reverse order 5, 7.5 and 10. This will encourage short term investors and sale and Purchase will Continue.

Due to all this education overseas People still have a Lot of Anxiety Conducting big transactions and Buying property, A Government Backed help cell should be there for legal and procedural support. And escrow should be introduced especially for the properties in pipeline.


Please refrain from any grata based Political comment and come up with better ideas

Real Estate is best replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:34 PM PST 

Ahmad Hassan keep crying baby

Overseas Pakistani replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:05 AM PST 

Now the govt robbers will evaluate your property and loot their share whatever they want in the name of taxes,doesn't matter if anyone gain or loose even some capital amount after paying these unfair taxes.
Another poor strategy to take the real estate business to a worst stage...Remember there are many people & industries are associated with success of real estate like real Estate agents,labor class people,cement industry,sanatory & other household items industries etc archetects,civil engineers and many more
Buyers will have fear for buying the property and eventually a massive capital flight may occur from our country which may create unemployment and heavily reduced country's economy
Concerned authorities should think about it and dealers should arrange a protest again...

Arif M® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:07 AM PST 

This is better news for Property.

However, there are still some questions un-answered. A lot will depend on them.

1. How much rates FBR increases.
2. What about White and Black money issue. Proving that to FBR?
3. What happened with amnesty scheme. Do we still have to pay something to Govt for transactions made in last 5 years??

I agree with Jameel sb that property business will slow down due to these policies. Will it be good for pakistan industry or overall economy ? Only time will tell.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:08 AM PST 

Dear CMY, "Real Estate is best" is a kid & He doesn't "know ethics and tryinng to become personal. Kindly kick him out as he is unregistered member. I am surprised that still unregistered members are allowed. If it is allowed then why we are using our orginal IDS.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:14 AM PST 

KPK and all other provinces already rejected today agreement. This is for your info Mr. Real estate is the best.

Real Estate is best replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:50 AM PST 

Ahmad Hassan it seems you did lots of transactions with black money thats why u have fear of FBR notice? Slump is not in market but on your nerves.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:05 AM PST 

Borrowed cats catch no mice. Ishaq Dar is relaying on money that he borrowed & looking ways to grab money from us now. Pakistan's external debts has crossed $76b. Babies like you will cry when this baloon will burst. I ve no fear from FBR because I work abroad and earn Hilal Money:)

Real Estate is best replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:20 AM PST 

Great!

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:28 AM PST 

Very good outcome. I had many friends on fence who want to buy as
1 transparency. We know what to pay at
2 all old transactions are safe older then 3 yrs
3 rates are reasonable as 5% by 3rd yr
4 Lahore is getting so much infrastructure mega projects so paying tax on profit is fair and it is reasonable
5. This is on gains if next year rate up only then you will give tax of your gain. It is not flat tax.
6. Less then 40 lacs all 5 Marla plots big gainers. Sell and buy them as much as you want.
7. Now all transactions will be transparent no state bank values
8. I listened Ishaq Dar conference and frankly I dint imagined they will give in that much and that soon.
9. Over all neat clean and transparent development
10. Investors want clarity and they got. Rest tax on gains all over the world ppl pay lot higher then this
11. London you pay 28%. Canada where I am 25%.
12. Thanks to Allah
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 08:07 PM PST 
DHA MULTAN FILE

Jameel Bhai,
Can you advise me some good long term investment in any DHA of Pakistan. I am planning to buy a file in Multan DHA as a long term investment. I will be waiting for your advice, kindly suggest me some good long term investment upto 10million. Thanks

Jameel Mughal® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:02 AM PST 

Dear Newbie, The Rule Of investment is that you do best decision of this time and don't repent on opportunities lost.
If
DHA Multan are wise people which I think they are, they will not launch installment Plot now and wait for some recovery, If They Delay next 5,6 Months File Price will come under pressure and you may get a chance to buy cheaper. I am in your place I will wait for More fall.

My anticipation is Like DHA Bahawalpur, DHA Multan will not be able to sell. At launch price hardly they can attract few hundred buyers. They should learn from DHA Bahalpur and not do suicide jump.

DHA Valley replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:06 AM PST 

Buy in DHA Valley Islamabad.
Much better than
DHA Multan.

newbie investor replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:07 AM PST 

jameel sb thank you very much for your advice, i will follow your advice and will wait for a while to see some good opportune time to invest. kindly also suggest any other alternative DHA to invest. And if possible give me your email address. i will be grateful. thanks again.

KB20 replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:12 AM PST 

Mughal Sb this newbie guy will be relying on your advice that
prices of Dha Miultan will go down and then he will purchase may I ask what if it doesn't go down then where your advice will stand ?????

Flex01® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:45 PM PST 

Jameel Mughal sb has just given his opinion about
DHA Multan. I think , it is highly un reasonable to ask him what if the Multan price don't go down and where his advice will stand.

Untimately,the buyer or seller has to make their own decision. Other people advice what they feel how the certain area/society will move in the coming days.

NOTE:

I am also interested in buying DHA Multan and also feel that price of file will come out due to current scenario.
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 05:46 PM PST 

Plot evaluation
Please evaluate following plots
DHA phase 9 prism J 2970,K 2312,R 1700


Thanks
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