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Friday, June 14, 2019 01:30 AM PST 
Nothing will happen

Dear Folks , I have seen a lot of posts on property trends after Budget 2019 .Here is my take on it ::
- Nothing will happen. Prices in developed and semi developed areas will keep on increasing. Investor zones like Gwadar and Bahria will suffer high time.Reason
1. Inflation in Pakistan is at 11 to 15 % per annum
2. Take an example :: A government officer in mid career (say Grade 18) is earning around 150000 perks included and in private sector is earning around 350000 to 400000 ( I am saying for mid career Manager in a multinational) .Even with these sort of incomes considering high utility bills , taxes, fees for good schools , expensive health care ..etc., It is virtually impossible for a person if starting from scratch to purchase a house in DHA or Wapda Town or EME ...The brunt or impact of this mis match between income and inflation will come on property gain regardless of 10 year or 3 year gain tax or any other sanction.Property value has to increase. In 2013 an average or say good 5 marla house in Lahore was 1 crore ,in 2016 it reached 1.25 crore and in 2019 it has reached 1.5 crores ..Despite all odds and uncertainties DHA Town increased from 55 to 73 even more , DHA Peshawar from 57 to 120 for a very good plot in last 18 months .Some areas might be stagnant but they will gain eventually. If Prism gets possession the price of a good plot can reach 2.5 crores easily
Lastly there are 6000 + dealers in Lahore alone ,Similarly Karachi and Islamabad and rest of Pakistan. The real estate guys will ensure that property prices remain stable or increase not for us but for their Rozee Rooti. Finally Punjab alone population is 11 crore + .This population itself is a mass market and would not be affected by taxes .
That is my take and better invest in places advised earlier including DHA Multan, Prism, Peshawar DHA ...Remember our high population is our worst enemy and best opportunity

Investor replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 03:19 AM PST 

Rana sb. Plz Plz face reality in each and every sense I am not a mid range manger. This catagory you explained is even much better opportunities of survival potential than any else these days due to their fixed salaried income but those invested for last 3 years in your explained desired Multan project are stucked & secondly sorry to heard news that Dha Multan is fixing it's file price which is a very unrealistic approach in current senerio of economic conditions.
The small investor who invested in this project for the sake of short term profit taking to meet and to get some early profit on their solid investment and to meet their living expenses by investing are stucked.
But not anymore now property is game of time those who invested for long term will defenetly get consistant gains with the passage of time.
The reason being it's just a file its not a underdeveloped or developed plot.
When you say Dha prism 9 yes to some extant your statement fits only because this land is developing and in near future their is some possession situation for a final destination of end users & builders, developers.
Same like wise No doubt Multan has its own existance & potential only when locals are intrested like wise in wapda town. But situation is different because the overseas investors like you & me is the one who make this land into paradise. It will take some time to be adoped by locals. Like wise Prism 9 when it's all installments of development charges are paid than enter to get maximum profits in minimum time. Today prism 9 is best for investment (those who understand it's potential & location) as well as for end users because it is a liability free zone with no fear of bad location located in the heart of DHA Lahore connecting two different sides of Lahore.

Consumer replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 03:20 AM PST 

Prices of developed areas will show gradual decrease or you can say correction for 2 years and then there will be rise. But one thing is confirmed, the number of transactions will decrease and property dealers will look for other professions.
Last budget was also bad for property market, and transactions decreased although did not decrease and now magnitude a lot more. At least ab satta bazi Nahin chale gi. Let's see what happens to DHA Multan files. Will it touch 60 or revert to 44

User_6006 replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 05:09 AM PST 

The culture of horizontal societies will end in bigger cities and verticle will boom IA you will se kanal here in posh society will become 10 crore plus so that no one from no where sell its cheap agric land of khach kho and settle here for better education and health and increase its population with out any roots from here.and no one truly want to leave their homelands.govt should act as mother before introducing european taxes where salaries are high so does taxes and people can see where their taxes are utilizing. Khan sb we voted you to improve court and police and ebd corruption but it seems you are on verge of making poor govt with poorest people.
Rana sb you are not well aware of MN in Pakistan.salaries are quite lower i know on top level peopel earning even 2 million but 90% of are starter or mid level are earning from 25k to 2 lac max.we need to see majority not salt in meal minority even non MN pvt sector people doing jobs on 30k frim years .so these people buy a plot with great difficulty for their future expense as jobs have no savings and these people buy plot for their children marriages,education health and to maintain their life style b even people earning 1 million raise their life style and need to invest in plot to maintain it.but khan sb it seems want to make middle class poorest and govt poor because if uber increase fares it will get more fare per person but no of customer will drop and waiting time will increase same will happen with real estae.with lot of people directly and in directly related with real estae govt should care them and spread enterprenurship in middle class so that they lift up poor class instead of feeding them free.

User_6006 replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 05:15 AM PST 

If i buy plot higher and sell lower will govt compensate me .no it wont thn y part of gains to that extent.
Similarly Govt should act very responsibily they should ask charity like dam fund to pay loans.instead of committing this mistakes as property has ut longest cycle of slump or stangent govt should not act carelessly.
And first make education free and health facilites better to middle class who work hard and runs the country.

User_6006 replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 05:22 AM PST 

I wish govt make university in every district and hospital in every tehsil so that people of their invest in their lands and make comnercials on bigger roads provided by govt and population remains even steven distributed instead of over populating certain cities.

User_6006 replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 05:29 AM PST 

Make sraikistan province and put a ban in Punjab that only Punjabi can buy land no other or chines.this will serve well.

Investor replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 07:42 AM PST 

Govt discourage real estate so that investors swift their money into some productive sector. But govt didn't provide the alternative option. So now investments will be Block. No overseas pakistani has the time to invest in some productive sector. So if foreign remittance will not come it means dollar will go up. Inshort this is a very stupid policy. Govt have to collect 5.5 trillion tax which is the target of this year but by this policy they will unable to collect a single penny. Instead of recovering the looted money from zardari and nawaz they impose more taxes on nation. Govt wants to slaughter a hen for the search of golden eggs! Buyers will not buy because after 45 days they have to become filer and seller will not sell. And if transactions will not happen govt will receive rotten eggs instead of golden eggs!

C H A replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 12:30 PM PST 

Simply invest in best location commercial and hot favorite end user plots ....

Recommend buying in especially the phase that is underpriced and non possession..but you know on ground actual plot location .. there will be room for growth in value and will still be easier to sell due to broad base of real end users who will want to build ....

Avoid smaller cities where real end consumers are far less ..... most of the buying in those smaller cities
( bhawalpur/ gujranwala/ Multan )were by overseas/ or out of town investors ........these cities are not going to give good gains due to lack of real end consumer volume compared to Lahore

You may disagree but My humble suggestion would be Dha Lahore only for now and particularly exceptional location plots like Phase 9 plots as possible possession in next 1.5 to 2 years expected

If buy now at good price .... you can still sell at good profit even if you account for capital gain tax .....
I won’t mind paying capital gain tax if,
1) I can sell my plot easily .....
2) I can still have relatively good profit margin for my investment....

Thx

Ali replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 12:57 PM PST 

@CHA
Question is how many end users can AFFORD these plots?
Reality is that majority of our population can only DREAM of a house in DHA. Do you think that the existing societies in Lahore are not sufficient for the end users who can AFFORD? It's a huge supply. And the demand is going to fall after this budget gets approved and once investors are out of the game. It's simple demand and supply equation. We should not mix things.
Only hope is that the budget does'nt get through the NA. :) Best of luck

thinker replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 01:43 PM PST 

i think property dealers should find something else to do soon. Secondly even overseas Pakistanis specially is USA or UK or Europe would invest there, rather than in Pakistan and lose 15% each year due to rupee devaluation alone. A non filer buying a plot is like painting a target on yourself for the FBR. Genuine filers like salaried class professionals cannot afford anything good in property with these prices. So who is going to buy ? And this population increase logic is total non sense. 99% increase in population is happening in segments who cannot even afford two meals a day. Its not like the middle class is growing and poor are coming up and joining middle class. Its the other way round.

Rana Australia replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 01:54 PM PST 

I think it is a healthy discussion.I will write tonight when I am free and discuss opportunities. Thanks to all for commenting

USA DOC replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 04:05 PM PST 

I can tell you from overseas investor standpoint

1) dollar PKR exchange depreciation
2) capital gain tax ( high rate for 10 years )
3) decline in property transactions and price

All of these are against now for overseas remittances by investor

This will hurt country

Asif replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 06:54 PM PST 

Well, thinker & USA DOC have explained almost all important points in few lines. Investors in smaller cities and non-developed areas in Lahore are going to face worst liquidity issues in coming future, one may not be able to sell his file/plot even in loss.

Ahmed replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 07:33 PM PST 

If population is being considered as an "opportunity", then one has to learn from Indian reality market. It's a decade since real estate market is struggling with almost no growth in the sector. The had similar taxation issues and on top of that the dumping of old currency notes policy contributed to near death of real estate market. (We are also hearing news of PKR limiting to 1000 notes only)

Simple replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 08:08 PM PST 

People living in Pakistan have better idea of ground realities regarding property market & sufferings of common man. It's not a matter of ego rather we should have clear understanding about market behavior no matter it suites us or not.
I think we must accept this reality open heartedly that attraction in proerty market is over for at least next 5 years (exceptions are always there but we are talking about market overall).
It's a bitter truth that property prices has gone too high in most of the cities even out of the reach of majority population which is struggling to meet both ends, they dont even think to buy plots or house. Middle class itself is struggling due to sudden rise in inflation. We do not see any demand in near future so downfall in plots prices is obvious.

Thinker replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 08:53 PM PST 

I expect around 20% drop in prices by June 2020 when dollar will be at 170-180. Prices have to come to a level where a professional or businessman making 3-5 laks per month can buy a house. Right now its not possible. Massive economic down turn is expected in the next two years with declining incomes in all sectors including banks, auto, real estate, cement, education, retail, imports etc.

AHMAD HASSAN replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 10:04 PM PST 

Unfortunately all gain of last 5 years has been stolen by USD.

USA Doc replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 10:27 PM PST 

Yes dollar has killed all gains for us overseas
So sad 😞

Consumer replied on Friday, June 14, 2019 11:11 PM PST 

Dollar at all time high of 157.5 today in open market.
Rok sako tu rok lo ....
Tabdeeli aai re
Tabdeeli aai re

Tahir USA replied on Saturday, June 15, 2019 05:16 AM PST 

Let us be patient; wait and see. Inna Lillah he wa inna elaihe Rajeoon.

Ali replied on Saturday, June 15, 2019 10:40 AM PST 

طاہر صاحب
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anyone replied on Saturday, June 15, 2019 03:45 PM PST 

DHA ka Pithu ... jeolous from Bahria
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Thursday, June 13, 2019 03:00 AM PST 

CMY sahib ! Your response is much awaited regarding budget disaster on real estate

How will it affect prices in developed
( like phase 6. ) Vs underdevelopment projects like prism

Tahir replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 04:04 AM PST 

Real Estate is Gone with the wind....Forget about your hard earned money remitted and invested. What a bunch of imported IMF team having no stakes in Pakistan!

ashraf replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 07:23 AM PST 

nothing big has happened

Tahir replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 09:35 AM PST 

Ab aglay 10 saal property ko hold Kar k rakho.
Enjoy karain. Seat belts baandh lein

Zameen replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 01:14 PM PST 

So far everyone is coming up with emotional response. No one has analytically analysed the effect of budget. Like Can anyone tell how much are taxes if I sale prism plot.

Ali replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 01:15 PM PST 

It will be a panic situation for real estate market for couple of years. Yes, there will be correction to market because the investors will look for other options. But wait. What other options the investor has? Stocks? Saving certificates?

Remember it's a reality that all the rich people in the world made themselves rich by investing in real estate.

After this "structural reform" of economy, investors have to adjust themselves to the change. It will take time, at least 2-3 years for the change.

The budget is right on time, just before the amnesty scheme ends. There are few options for the investors with non declared assets. Isn't it better to avail the amnesty scheme and continue to enjoy profit in reality?

One has to realize that the proposed taxes are not going to make property a non-profitable investment in the long run. Ask yourself a question. Will you sell your property 20 or 30% lower than current value?

The real problem is the people with black money won't enter the market. But people who already are in, will not want to exit till there is an option for them.

In the long run, property has to grow. Because this is the way the modern world's economy works!

Zulqi replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 02:53 PM PST 

It’s been almost 5 years now that property market is down. It was started Ishaq Dar by introducing gain tax on property.
I think the downwards trend is going to continue for another 2 years because:
1. It will take couple of years to bring most of the investors in the tax net. Once everyone is filing tax return then everyone has white money.
2. There won’t be any investment avenue available in or outside the country to park black money. U have to pay tax in order to make it white if u want make an investment.
3. This FATF requirement and once we meet the requirement and Pakistan becomes green in FATF. This will become the way to do business and will become for everyone.
4. Property prices has been holding now. Not going down anymore. We have already lost money in devaluation. I don’t think it is going to further down

Hold your properties. Don’t sell at low prices.

Regards

USA DOC replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 03:15 PM PST 

Lots of investment by overseas
They have holding power
They won’t sell existing property but also will not buy new ones
So it will drop foreign remittances

replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 03:25 PM PST 

Property business will not be any more a lucrative business for investor. Capital gain tax period increased from 3 years to 10 years. Question is how many filers are in the country and how much increase we can expect in the number of filers per year. So it means people who are non filer will be reluctant to enter in this business now. They will try to find some other areas. Property business will see very slow gain and it will be a very long term investment.

Overseas investor replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 03:47 PM PST 

Government needs to lower capital gain tax
That’s all needed
Otherwise no problem

Winner replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 04:41 PM PST 

Everyone is worried for their personal interests, we are a selfish nation.

AHMAD HASSAN replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 08:02 PM PST 

My advice to all investors. Buy property not to sell now. Buy property for commercial use. Buy property to rent. Don' put money and wait for increase and do nothing. Use property. Use mind. Commercial property is always the best. Setup a warehouse, use in trading etc. Don't look for overseas money. The living abroad has own problems, there was a time when overseas invest, now their children has grown up, they have all interests in their countries, Yes sometimes they come to attend weddings or meet with old aunty or uncle etc. ME overseas also living an uncertain life. To make money, think of the box now. If you will sell property now, you will be a big looser, a time is very close when Chinees will be looking for the property in Pakistan. That law will pass soo, they have to or we have surrender. Again buy property to use property and if you will buy property to use away from big cities, you will earn more. I will tell explain later that how this will happen. I am posting on this group after many years.
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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:17 PM PST 
Government lifted up the restriction of 5 Million on purchasing of pro

Government lifted up the restriction of 5 Million on purchasing of property by non filers.
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Thinker replied on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:36 PM PST 

BUT capital gains tax to be taxed like income tax. So if you made a profit of 50 Laks you will have to pay around 30% tax on it like 15 laks or so.

Habib replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 02:00 AM PST 

Capital Gain tax upto 10 years is totally unexpected and unacceptable, The Whole purpose looks that Govt want people to Look around for other options, I totally agree for that but there is no safe investment for overseas other Property buying in reputed societies like DHA,

USA Doc replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 02:29 AM PST 

I agree !! This 10 year capital gain is total disappointment
If overseas Pakistani don’t invest in real estate then govt will loose lots of revenue
Someone need to tell govt to revert it to 3 years

Islamabadi replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:16 AM PST 

At the same time they have made new rule that who so ever comes to DHA or any authority for purchase transfer of plot, the non filer tax has been doubled and the when it DHA will deposit this tax to FBR, they will send all the details of non filer and soon that person will be sent notice by FBR. And non filing of returns is now an offence punishable for one year in jail

Altaf replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:17 AM PST 

Pls guide what about those who bought plots in past and the time period is over 3 years? Before there was no CGT on them what now?

Islamabadi replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:30 AM PST 

CGT is applicable when you sale it, if sold after 1st July CGT is applicable

Islamabadi replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:35 AM PST 

This is a good budget for genuine buyers who want to buy and construct home for their family. Certainly bad for property mafia, including the dealers, investors and hoarders. Government has tried to discourage people from investing in property which does not create any jobs when compared to business or industry.

Mirza replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 06:07 AM PST 

My 2 cents,

1. Market activity will slow down. Very slow
2. Sellers will try to avoid heavy CGT
3. Buyers will avoid FBR notices.

Consequently, less deals and stagnation. I think some people will try to sell before 1st july.

Secondly, Small properties will have less taxes, less profit and less CGT. It may work for some. But still it won’t change anything.

Zameen replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 11:26 AM PST 

Property market has grown very tricky now after budget. CMY your in-depth analysis is awaited.

Property Fullstop replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 11:58 AM PST 

The State Minister for Revenue Hammad Azhar in his Federal Budget for FY19-20 speech, proposed to increase immovable properties’ rates of Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) by taking it closer to about 85% of actual market value.
Also, he proposed that persons purchasing immovable property of fair market value greater than rupees 5 million in the case of immovable property and one million or more in the case of movable property may be required to purchase through a banking instrument other than a bearer cheque. A penalty at the rate of 5 percent of FBR value of immovable property is proposed for violation of this requirement. Further in case of violation of this condition, no depreciation allowance shall be available and purchase price for capital gain purpose shall also be treated as zero. Currently, the actual market rates are usually 5 to 10 time more than DC rate and 2 to 4 times of FBR rate.Furthermore, it is proposed in the Budget speech that income from capital gains may also be taxed under normal tax regime at normal tax rates. Income from capital gains on open plots is proposed to be taxed at 100% where the open plot is sold within one year and for period up to ten years. Income from capital gains on constructed property is also proposed to be taxed on similar lines when sold within period of five years. In case a property is sold within one year it shall be taxed as normal income. Tax shall be charged on 3/4rth of the income if the same property is sold after one year.

At present if a purchaser of an immovable property pays 3% tax on the difference between the DC value and FBR value of property, he is not required to explain the source of investment on the said differential amount. This is a permanent tool for whitening of undeclared money which is against the international tax norms.
Therefore it is proposed to withdraw the tax at the rate of 3% on differential amount. According to details, FBR had introduced valuation tables of immovable properties in major cities. The government says the rates notified by the Board are still considerably lower than actual market value. It is therefore intended that FBR rates of immovable properties would be taken closer to or about 85% of actual market value. As the increase in FBR values of immovable property is going to increase the incidence of tax on genuine buyers and sellers, it is proposed that rate of withholding tax on purchase of immovable property may be reduced from 2% to 1%. At present, withholding tax on purchase of property is attracted only if the value of property is more than four million rupees which is a loophole. There is a tendency to avoid this tax by splitting the transaction amount.

In order to stop the misuse of this threshold, the withholding tax on purchase is proposed to be collected irrespective of the value of property. At present, there is no withholding tax on sale of property if the property is held for a period of more than three years. This is in line with the holding period for taxability of capital gain which is also three years. As capital gain is to be taxed under normal tax regime even beyond the period of three years, it is proposed that withholding tax on sale of property be collected irrespective of the holding period to bring it in line with the proposed treatment of capital gains.

Ali replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 12:22 PM PST 

Huge setback for property investors.
Government simply wants investors to invest in sectors that contributes to the economy.
No recovery in real estate sector any soon. Possibly a slump in the waiting!

M Zahid replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 12:50 PM PST 

Property investment is no more an option other than constructing house. Go and look elsewhere for investment opportunity.

MBS replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 04:51 PM PST 

Lack of incentive in property investment will directly impact the volume of Remittances as most overseas Pakistanis tend to invest in property only.
They can't really run or invest in businesses in this environment. So when you're shaking that up, you should know your GDP will plunge further as these remittances make an integral part of our GDP.

I don't know where are we going in this confusing state of affairs? The government is either very callous or totally clueless about what to do?

MBS replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 04:57 PM PST 

All i see and hear from government ministers is excuses and blame on previous politicians as if they are still competing for Elections.

No talk or strategy shared until now as to how they plan to handle this economic situation in mid to long term.

Can someone remind them that they are here to work and perform not for the election campaigns on media?

Habib replied on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 08:58 PM PST 

This will erode economy Further than Helping
At present most of Buyers are overseas and slump in property market will decrease remittances
Making sale and Purchase more and more difficulty by imposing more taxes and Capital gain Tax will cause lesser transection in other word less revenue for the Country as already has Happened.
Capital gain Tax will not only discourse investors but also Builders, These are the back bone on the sector and possibly the only way invested money is translated into Jobs and welfare of people, this will result of Loss of Jobs of peoples who are related to Construction Business.

User_6006 replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 02:23 AM PST 

Everyone of you should download citizen portal app and launch a suggestion to PM that how govt going to miss lot of tax due ti sluggish new policy of property taxes.i can give you simple example if uber raise their fare captains will get more fare per one customer but total no of customer will be reduced and waiting time will increase and in end tegy will be in loss.

Ali replied on Thursday, June 13, 2019 11:16 AM PST 

@User_6006
"simple example if uber raise their fare". Now we know from where all this "wisdom" was coming.
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Thursday, May 23, 2019 03:35 AM PST 
Prism possession

LRE gurus !!
When is possession of upper blocks APCDQ phase 9 expected? ?
Please share latest development
Regards

LRE Online Support Staff replied on Thursday, May 23, 2019 03:35 PM PST 

Dear Sir,
It will take minimum 3 years
For More Info Contact
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HUSSAIN@1956 replied on Thursday, May 23, 2019 03:59 PM PST 

Could you please evaluate current B-726 Phase 9 prism.

saleeem replied on Thursday, May 23, 2019 06:49 PM PST 

seriously that is really depressing after 3 years it will still take 3 years
yaar wo surfer bhai kidr hain jo kehte the k 3 years mein possession b mil jae ga aur plots 300 lacs ke hn ge.......

LRE Online Support Staff replied on Friday, May 24, 2019 08:13 PM PST 

Dear Sir,
B-726 Phase 9 prism is around 115 to 118 Lacs
For More Info Contact
Salman Maqsood
+923224009967
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Surfer replied on Saturday, May 25, 2019 01:57 AM PST 

Dear Saleeem sb. & Others
Hope you are fine by the grace of ALLAH.
This was my reply to one of the previous posts as follows for you all few weeks back & still the same.
"Don't worry still here all friends. Specially pareshan bhai pareshan hona choor dein.
PRISM 9 is still the best but no body can predict future but knowingly current & previous economic & political circumstances everybody knows that PRISM 9 is still holding its position not even losses a single penny from its plot pricing. (Still best time to enter PRISM due to above explained factors). Gaining would definitely refers to above said factors. So hold your horses & be prepared for next comming flight. My priority is always that I always suggest what i always think best for my self.
"In shaa ALLAH"
And my words are Always the same.
"Try your level best & think hard to invest your hard earnings"
Nothing wrong to this PRISM 9 as a project it's the best project ever introduced by in the history of DHA LAHORE.
"In shaa ALLAH" PRISM 9 will perform best in near future."
Doc sb. Regarding possession feels like we are day by day shorten our journey for possession kindly check Google image for upper blocks & have more potential to get possession sooner.
"In shaa ALLAH"

Kh Qasim replied on Monday, May 27, 2019 06:37 PM PST 

@Saleem @USA Doc rest assured after 3 years you will hear this statement "It will take maximum 3 years" but prices will increase. Such a huge development is an easy task.
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Sunday, April 28, 2019 05:14 PM PST 
DHA Bahawalpur sector A B C parietal possession announced to start hou

Congratulations DHA Bahawalpur sector A B C parietal possession announced to start houses construction Apr 28 2019. Possession to construct a house is now officially available on paying only the 1st instalment payment of development charges. You can pay rest of the instalments of development charges in 3 years time while construction or living in your dream house.



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USA Doc replied on Monday, April 29, 2019 01:58 AM PST 

Wow that’s very fast development! Hoe long it took ?
Seems much faster possession than much anticipated phase 9 prism possession
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DHA Lahore Phase 9 Block Wise Rates Update From Lahore Real Estate Apr

DHA Lahore Phase 9 Block Wise Rates Update From Lahore Real Estate April, 2019


2➖Kanal

D Block: 325 to 425

1➖Kanal

A-Block: 105 to 150 Lacs
B-Block: 90 To 130 Lacs
C-Block: 78 To 150 Lacs
D-Block: 78 to 150 Lacs
E-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
F-Block: 80 to 135 Lacs
G-Block: 90 to 135 Lacs
H-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
K-Block: 80 to 125 Lacs
L-Block: 78 to 135 Lacs
M-Block: 80 to 130 Lacs
N-Block: 78 to 125 Lacs
P-Block: 78 to 150 Lacs
Q-Block: 85 to 145 Lacs
R-Block: 82 to 115 Lacs

10➖Marla
C-Block: 70 To 85 Lacs
F-Block: 65 To 82 Lacs
J-Block: 60 To 70 Lacs
K-Block: 62 To 78 Lacs
L-Block: 57 To 78 Lacs
R-Block: 70 to 82Lacs

5➖Marla
J-Block: 36 to 50 Lacs
K-Block: 37 to 55 Lacs
L Block : 36 to 42 Lacs
R-Block: 38 to 55 Lacs

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FRH replied on Monday, April 1, 2019 11:24 PM PST 

Prices are same or lower after paying full development charges. In terms of $, About 40-50% money is lost within couple of years. What's happening with property? Let's have open discussion please.

Ahmad replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:06 AM PST 

Dear FRH,

There is no money lost within the last couple of years. May I ask you a question? Would you like to sell your property at the price listed above?

FRH replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:59 AM PST 

Actually I'm an overseas. Purchased plot by cashing out $'s @ about 100-105. Now $ is @ about 144-145 so based on this, money is lost as the plot prices are almost the same and plus paid development charges as well.

thinker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 01:19 PM PST 

Dear FRH
There are a number of reasons cited for the property decline like taxes, FBR etc, but the real reason is different. We must understand the difference between the VALUE of an asset and its PRICE. The value of an asset is how much income it can generate and price is what market sentiments determine. Right now in Pakistan the price of property is much more than its value. For e.g a house in islamabad costs 7 crores, thats its price but it can generate rental income of just 1.5 laks per month that is its value. Similarly shops cost around 1.5 to 2 crores on ground floor in major shopping areas, but they cannot generate so much income as to be feasible for anyone to buy them and start a business. Therefore unless the value of property matches with its price, it will remain stagnant. So how long will it take to match the two. Currently the price is 2X the value of the underlying asset, so considering around 10% increase in income of Pakistanis per year it would take 7 years. Best case 5 years. So dont expect any appreciation before that.

Suggestion replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 01:41 PM PST 

If you are genuine buyer, then it is good time
If you are investor than go for some other type of investment e.g., dollar or gold for some time till property again got better

thinker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:10 PM PST 

How is it a good time if you are a genuine buyer ????? If the price is not going to increase and just stay the same lets say for one year, then why I should not buy after one year, and let my money grow at 12% in national savings or dollar or what ever. For me it would be 12% cheaper next year..

alpha replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 02:21 PM PST 

FRH sb. Chill. It just the economic ebb and flow. Pakistanis are going to reproduce at exponential rate - so in the long run you are good. Besides stop cribbing about changing your dollars - you are free to invest in US stocks like Lyft and take an instant hit of 10%

Curious replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 04:12 PM PST 

@thinker: good point mate!

Advice for you replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 09:40 PM PST 

FRH, No body knows in 2015 dollar will be Rs.142. So, if you no need money just wait for right time. Prices will be increase sooner or later.

KSA Banker replied on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:46 PM PST 

I find the analysis and views presented by "thinker" and "FRH" as very accurate and spot on. I can attest to that with my personal experience. During the 15 months period between Jan 2017 and Mar 2018, i invested a total of around 580,000 dollars in Prism. The prices of the plots since then have remain almost unchanged or have slightly declined in Pak rupees terms. However, due to depreciation of the Pak rupee against the dollar (from around 105 rupees to 140 rupees against one dollar), my investment in dollar terms is currently around 30% down compared to the cost. Even being a long term investor, I am afraid it will take quite a number of years for me to recover my original investment.

I also fully agree with the point regarding mismatch between properties prices and intrinsic values. At the prevailing properties prices and rents, the yield for a common investor on both residential and commercial properties is way too low compared to the risks of investing in the Pakistani real estate market. It will take a combination of significant increase in rents and decline in properties prices to achieve an economically viable equilibrium where investors would find it attractive to invest in real estate assets in Pakistan. Such an adjustment, as pointed out above, may take years if it really happens.

Best Regards

Asif replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 02:02 AM PST 

Very valid points wrt Rupee devaluation and intrinsic values. What is the way out from here for new investor? I can not see any reasonable return in Pakistan property for coming years. But what are the other avenues,

USA Doc replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 03:34 AM PST 

I agree with KSA banker....I also invested back in 2017 and 2018 in US dollars two kanal plots each in prism
I am currently at a loss looking at US dollar rate but I know I will hold those long and for sure they will go up in value in 3-5 years as it’s still under development phase
If u look at 2 Kanal plots phase 3/5/6/8 they are trading 6 crore to 10 crore
So eventually it will be ok
In short term yes there is loss
But long term in good location under developed areas you will still gain

Truth replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 11:48 AM PST 

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Property inflation coming soon

Thinker replied on Wednesday, April 3, 2019 06:52 PM PST 

Thanks KSA Banker...
The problem for overseas investors going forward is that dollar will not be stable for any period of time unlike in the past where it was at 104 for almost 4 years. Government is going for free float which means that each year it will be 10% more (based on the fact that inflation in Pakistan has touched 9.4% this month and would increase further, so the rupee will lose value by 10-12% per year against the dollar). It will gradually fall to 145 by May and then continue its fall and will hit 155 by december.
Although Asad umar has announced that non filers will be allowed to purchase property from July after the budget, however he has mentioned two other things. 1. DC rates would be brought exactly upto market rates. 2. FBR will investigate all non filers who buy property. Therefore once rates are equal to DC rates it will be very difficult for non filers to justify their income to FBR. I dont see any increase in prices due to this reason, other than the real value of plots that I alluded to earlier. I think the sooner we all accept that the party is over, the better it would be. It had become a Ponzi scheme and was sure to fall, just like all bubbles.

Kamal Khan replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:48 AM PST 

Really interesting views -some are quite realistic and reflective of what the ground realities are. Would request CMY to share what views does he hold in the given situation.

pity replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 02:31 AM PST 

US dollar is a huge bubble too. After signing up with IMF, it is bound to become slow and will not increase the way it did in past months. Maximum it ll reach probably around pkr 150. Free float might be another scheme to let usd dollar spread in market and then give a sudden shock of us dollar depreciation against pkr. Just like cars, buying property by non filers is freedom. Buying property would be still better than buying dollar or invest in stock market. Many non filers are the people who came/earned from abroad, doing jobs, businesses etc and have proper earning. For filing first time they do not have to prove everything, they need to declare everything. These people are not zardaris or shareefs or the elite who avoid tax. Asad um-a-r is developing schemes and then ditching the same schemes.

Kh Qasim replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 05:22 PM PST 

I believe US dollar is bound to increase with prevailing above 10% inflation rate. It will definitely not coming down it will reach 150 and will increase further though at a steady pace. Regarding real estate, keep in mind the population is increasing fast, there are lot of people with money interested in owing properties in big cities so the demand is there and will be there. There is hardly any property on mortgage as compared to western countries where rising interest rate will burst the property bubble. Real cash, savings are poured into the real estate market. Trend is that people save and buy plots for the future generation. The insurance companies like state life and banks too have real estate in their holdings. Fundamentals don't change yes current trends are not positive but the situation will change when the dust will settle. In the short term the dollar will win but in the medium term it will be break even and in long term the real estate will win. Its very easy to say to sell property and buy dollars but in reality it is difficult to implement. The taxes, commission and sometime 5-10 lac extra you have to pay to cunning dealers will spoil everything.
For new investors, it is an ideal time year 2019 to look for property and get a good deal.

Saeed replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 06:04 PM PST 

Agree with Kh Qasim on everything. But regarding US dollar i have doubt.
Property like gold is ever green investment. Now is the best buying time.

Ahmed replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 06:36 PM PST 

Just to say this is a brilliant discussion. We haven't had a discussion like this for some time. Would be great to see and hear more views.

Just my contribution - yes, rupee weakness will hit overseas investors. But that also makes now a good time to buy if you have spare dollars?
And surely in rupee terms, plot prices will increase in the long term? What are your thoughts.

Salam and duas.

Kh Qasim replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:48 PM PST 

Mr. CMY is long term player unlike many seasonal players here. He himself said those talking about property bubble were chewing bubble gum when he entered real estate market. The future for property is bright. DHA Prism and other phases are prime investments and good location plot will be above 300 lac + in 4-5 years time. Actually there are fewer safe investments like DHA. In dollar terms, it will above break-even I am not sure depending upon lot of factors. Though, many of my predictions went wrong. I predicted good location prism plots like A 463,A 222,C 445,C 301,D 598,D 251 valued at 87+13(development charges) on Mar 16 to be 133 on Mar 19.
Post No. 1163 (dated 13 Mar 2016)
My estimation for Prism good location (clean) plot worth 81 lac now adding 19 lac development charges total cost 100 lacs will be priced as follows:
Mar 2017: 113
Mar 2018: 122
Mar 2019: 133
Mar 2020: 147
Mar 2021: 164
Mar 2022: 185
Mar 2023: 210
Mar 2024: 245
Mar 2025: 300
Still believe, year , decent plot in DHA prism will be 300+.

Numb replied on Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:56 PM PST 

Very good discussion , I think dollar will be stable after 150 and it will go up to 156 in a year time, But after 2020 it will strike back,

However ,Property will be the winner in Long term investment , DHA Multan & Prism will be good options.

Ahmed replied on Friday, April 5, 2019 06:40 PM PST 

Good points - what is the advice for investing only a small amount, like 50 lacs in order to get a good return in Lahore in this current market?

Numb replied on Saturday, April 6, 2019 01:40 AM PST 

Ahmed, Prism & DHA Multan will gain 70 to 80% in 2 years time ( My 20 cent). Rest Allah knows we can just expect on the basis of last years investment & gain.
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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:11 PM PST 
Prism

It has been exactly three years today since prism ballot which was held on 15-5-15. Any expert like to comment if future growth will remain dull from this point onwards :h

Habib replied on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:40 PM PST 

Test

Habib replied on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:43 PM PST 

Development pace is slow as was seen in phase 5,6,7 and 8. Price did not fall sharply as there was no reason for fall, Stagnation is being seen for last 2 years and may prevail for some more time.

Surfer replied on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 02:33 AM PST 

After PRISM ballot in May 2015 PRISM development being starts on feb 2016 is great news for PRISM holders later on Ring road southern loop brings an additional advantage to PRISM. But now ground reailites as I discussed to my visit to PRISM are as follows.
1. Boundry wall completed
2. 150 ft road structure is almost near to completion
3. Sewerage works are now a days at its peak in most of the blocks almost completed.
4. Where sewerage completed Branch roads structures are visibily can be seen in most of the blocks. As these structures will be completed will be connected to 80 ft roads & than with 150ft roads.
In my opinion PRISM development is at its peak & by the way good news is Sector wise bill boards are being installed on 150ft road.
One can easily travel from phase 6 to southren loop Ring road on this 150ft road.
5. Round abouts are completed & taking shape.
Best part of the story is still 1 kanal is still very good in Price range of 1.20 crore to 1.30 with 9 civil installments paid.
If economic & political condition stable after elections PRISM will lead the Lahore Dha property senerio "In shaa ALLAH"

Khan88 replied on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 07:10 AM PST 

If you are looking to build a house, wait 5-8 years at a bare minimum.

If you are looking for investment gains, then another 3 years. The price is not justifable given the low state of development, prices will dip in the next 5-6 months.

Irfan UAE replied on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 02:30 PM PST 

I dont agree with Mr Habib and Mr Surfer. that price is not falling. The installments being paid by the plot owners are not being reflected in the total price. That means the price is falling. It is not possible to sell any plot in prism at 1.2 crore. No buyers at this price. Price may come down to 70-80 lac by the end of year.

Nabeel replied on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 07:40 PM PST 

Watch the drone video and you will see the size of the project. Gives a good idea how long it will develop in.

Making a house there probably won't happen before 3 years even in the earliest blocks to be given possession.

It is true that those who bought there in last 2 years are in loss at moment and paying the installments is painful.

Asif replied on Thursday, May 17, 2018 05:01 AM PST 

Boundary wall completed, lol... boundary wall for prism ... lol....yeh sab shahbaz sharif ka asar hai :-D

Sheikh_123 replied on Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:58 PM PST 

Very unrealistic picture painted by Surfer Sahab.

Prism market is in bad shape just like other real estate projects, hopefully things will improve after elections.

Habib replied on Thursday, May 17, 2018 01:46 PM PST 

Good to hear old fiends, Actually I Could Not Visit Prism except Ring Road and J Block Interchange this year, Most of my Info is Google based, our family [not myself] had an opportunity to buy 4 Plots in Prism in last few months hence can share with you inside facts.
Most of plots for sale are on bad locations, and if you see other resources for sale... You can see that 90% Plots on reasonable price are on bad locations, And I will reiterate my 2 years Back impression that most of Blocks are Housing Villages inside hence good locations will be rare. Second observation was most of plots for sale had pending installments with fine which was adjusted in Total Price, and almost all plots Bought on average locations were cheaper than indicative file prices these days. The third observation was prices was about 15% Lower than 2 years back. So you can imagine mostly only due installments were lost in gains if a plot was 72 Lac when one installment was paid and it gained Max 90 Lac Price in mid 2016, again that plot is available in 72+ Due installments. But this was Not True for Prime Locations.
Another observation was sale process was slow unless price is realistic, as many plots left by us are still for sale. At one point we stopped buying process saying "it is enough" for fear of being Stuck in investment.
However Looking at price increment in DHA Town I Think it will diffuse to other sectors of DHA soon.
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Monday, January 8, 2018 08:50 PM PST 
DHA Multan Developement

How serious is DHA Multan management in development works can be seen from the picture. Sector A was started few months back, dirt roads are almost pulled and you can see the lower half of the picture camera is zoomed in, drainage work in progress. Obviously it is a big project but with this pace it will definitely catch up prism.

KSA Banker replied on Monday, January 8, 2018 09:59 PM PST 

Dear M Zahid , many thanks for sharing this highly valuable information for both current investors and holders of files of DHA Multan as well as for prospective buyers and investors. Much appreciated.

USA DOC replied on Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:45 AM PST 

Great M Zahid !!
Please share latest prism images

MBS replied on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 03:11 AM PST 

Nice work Zahid. Good to see that.

Keep sharing imagery of different projects
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