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Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:14 PM PST 

میرے پیارے بھائیوں ۔ میں آپ کی آسانی کے لئے مسئلہ بیان کر دیتا ہوں اور امید کرتا ہوں کہ آپ سب تسلی بخش جواب دیں گے ۔ فرض کر لیتے ہیں کہ ایک پلاٹ کی ایف ۔ بی ۔ آر قیمت پچاس لاکھ روپے ہے۔ اور میں ایک فائلر خریدار ہو۔ میں اس پلاٹ کی اصل قیمت ایک کروڑ ادا کرتا ہوں اور اس کے علاوہ 3 فیصد سٹیمپ ڈیوٹی، 2 فیصد سی وی ٹی ، وید ہولڈنگ ٹیکس اعشاریہ 3 فیصد اور ایڈوانس ٹیکس اور 1 فیصد ایجنٹ فیس اور اوسط سوسائٹی فیس ایک لاکھ کے ساتھ میری کل لاگت ایک کروڑ چھ سے ساتھ لاکھ کے درمیان رہے گی۔یہاں تک معاملہ بہت سیدھا ہے اور سمجھ آتا ہے۔ اصل مسئلہ اب شروع ہوتا ہے۔ ابھی ایک سال کا عرصہ نہیں گزرتا لیکن ضرورت کے تحت میں پلاٹ ایک کروڑ پچیس لاکھ کا بیچ دیتا ہو۔ اب گر میں  ایف ۔ بی ۔ آر قیمت پر رہتا ہوں تو مجھے اعشاریہ 3 فیصد وید ہولڈنگ ٹیکس ، 2 فیصد ایڈوانس ٹیکس اور ایجنٹ فیس اور اگر سوسائٹی کا خرچہ ہے تو کل ایک اور دو لاکھ سے زیادہ نہیں ادا کرنا پڑے گا ۔ سفر کے اخراجات اور نئے پلاٹ کی مٹھائی ملا کر آپ کل لاگت ایک کروڑ دس لاکھ فرض کر سکتے ہو ۔ اور منافع 15 لاکھ۔ کیونکہ پلاٹ میں ایک سال کے  عرصے کے اندر بیچا اس لئے ایف بی آر قیمت بھی نہ بدلی اور میں نے 10 فیصد گین ٹیکس بھی نہ ادا کیا۔ لیکن اب مشکل یہ ہے جو قیمت میں نے پچاس لاکھ سے اوپر حاصل کی وہ بنتی ہے 75 لاکھ۔ جو اصل میں تو حلال تھی مگر اب بن گئی حرام ۔ اور کچھ بعید نہیں ایف بی آر نوٹس بھیج کر اس کا ذریعہ بھی پوچھے۔ اب اگر میں اس کو حلال کرنا چاہتا ہوں تو مجھے اصل فروخت قیمت بتانا پڑے گی اور 75 لاکھ منافع میں سے 7 لاکھ پچاس ہزار ٹیکس ادا کرنا ہوگا ۔ یعنی میرا منافع ہو گیا ایف بی آر کی نظر اور میرے حصے آئی خواری اور مٹھائی ۔ اور اگر میں جائز بات کرتا تو میں شروع سے ہی اصل قیمت خرید ظاہر کرتا۔ اب تھوڑی دیر اور فرض کر لیں کہ میں نے بیچتے وقت اصل قیمت ظاہر کردی کیونکر میں کسی مسئلہ میں نہیں الجھنا چاہتا ۔ اب جو نیا خریدار ہو گا اس کے لئے سب سے پہلے جو مرحلہ درپیش ہوگا اس نے ایک کروڑ پچیس لاکھ کا ذریعہ معاش ثابت کرنا ہو گا ۔ باقی اس پر ٹیکس کس طرح لاگو ہو گے اور نئے سال ایف بی آر اس کو کس طرح قیمتوں کے تعین میں مثال بنائے گا ۔ یہ میں آپ پر چھوڑتا ہوں ۔ ہاں یاد رہے اسحاق ڈار نے قیمتوں کا تعین ایف بی آر کو دیا ہے۔ ان کو سب اندازے تھے ۔ یہ کوئی بچے نہیں تھے۔

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:54 PM PST 

Which means the seller will increase its selling price, hence a fair chance that property
prices will increase.

Adnan_Ali® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:57 PM PST 

Mostly property Investors are foreign Investors and after all this exercise they faced from government, they will become filer and transfer they remittances in Legal way.
On Signed deal, if they mentioned the actual amount, there is no harm on it because CGT they have to pay according to FBR decided valued as mentioned in scheduled chart so their white money will remain white and when they file annual Tax return, they mention the correct figures and profits.
Its already understood that there is and will be difference in real
prices and FBR prices.

Real estate replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:04 AM PST 

Adnan Ali good explanation

User_9325® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:08 AM PST 

yu are inder the assumption that suddenly our FBR has become very competent and will scrutinize every sale deed. Sir this CGT was present before also. have yu ever filed return? or recieved notice from fbr? even if yu recieve, yu will only end up bribing the fbr officer. it will be business as usual. this cgt has always been there but people come to know about it now

Tahir lutfi replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:11 AM PST 

People will consider involvement of FBR as a curse and some type of apprehension and threats
If the taxes would have increased that's were to be absorbed one day or other
However involvement of FBR for investors would be like of police for criminals
Let's hope for the best

Pakistan® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:29 AM PST 

brilliant game by FBR

people have no idea what has happened

MIT® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:59 AM PST 

Very interesting to read a lot of emotional upheavals here like matter of life and death, and as if it is end of the world. Time itself will find due course like a streaming river.

HassanHC® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 01:31 AM PST 

Nothing is changing in Pak.
Same old FBR
Same old investors
Same old Pakistan real estate with good potential
Yes little more transactional cost
Still cheaper then taxes world over.
London is 28%
India 20 %
Canada 25%

Actually in the end a big deal was made but all got settled with small give and take.

Zahid replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 01:40 AM PST 

Kindly read this again & again & again. Try to understand why this is relevant to Pakistan.

http://www.dawnnews.tv/news/1041219

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 03:10 AM PST 

I agreed same FBR, same nation & same country. My these new questions are self explanatory.

Market was silent from last month or no?
Did any one experience such deadlock before ?
Ever this market catch breaking news on media in past?
Did any GOVT invest this much in Lahore?
Who is supposed to pay back cost of infrastructure? Ofcourse us in shape of taxes otherwise Ishaq Dar or NS will pay from pocket. And we should encourage to pay.
Ever Pakistan's external debts crossed 76$ figure?
Do we have enough power and gas for new societies?
Our export reduced 20% or no?
How many new jobs we created in last 5 years? Nill/Nill
Last but not the least, Pakistan is in state of war or no?
Now we all Pakistanies single hobby/ business job. Buy property, sell property and make rich ourselves.
Either we ve pay our taxes honestly and encourage each other too or wait for total collapse as a estate.

HassanHC® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 05:01 AM PST 

Ahmad Saab well said. Honestly now I will feel less guilty with so much gains as will pay small tax and will contribute to Lahore infrastructure.
Investors from Lahore should definitely not complain as they are getting billions of rupees worth of infrastructure.

Tahir Islam Bokhari replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 06:37 AM PST 

Dear Ahmad Hassan and Hussan HC Sb,

The real issue is not the New Tax Rates, as they would not make much difference as compared to Previous Tax Rates. But the real issue is the confusion among investors regarding additional amount of tax they would have to pay in a single property transaction.

Fortunately, the new agreement with Govt. has cleared the dust, and the situation remained almost the same with just a little more taxes.

But unfortunately, some of us are working hard to maintain and create further confusion. I would request my friends to avoid adding the confusion by presenting inconsistent arguments.

Dear Ahmad Hassan sb, people cannot blamed for:

1. Silence/Deadlock in the Market from last month
2. Pakistan's external debts crossed 76$ figure
3. No power and gas for new societies
4. Export reduced 20%
5. No Jobs Created/Unemployment.

No sane person can deny that he should pay the taxes, but everyone wants that the taxation system should be transparent. But you seem to advocate paying taxes as a penalty for bad governance.

Also, the infrastructure development in Lahore is being done by Punjab Govt, but the New Tax issues are related to the Federal Govt. It means that the new taxes are not supposed to pay the cost of Development in Lahore.

I would suggest you to please think before you write anything in this forum, as such confusing statements may create further confusion in the real estate market, which would be damaging for our economy rather than strengthening it.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:31 PM PST 

Dear Tahir Bahi, that is not true that we are not responsible for all this. In fact we all are responsible. We demand NS to show his assets and source of funds for London apartments, they stripped all Pakistanies with one property tax law. How can we ask him if we all are not agree to pay. Punjab GOVT obtained funds from center as well as they ve direct deals with Turkey & China. All will be pay back by tax payers money. Tahir Bahi you can say my info isn't correct, you can oppose in positive way with logics but you shouldn't blame one of spreading incorrect information. This forum is for discussion. Neither I can raise price nor I can decrease. But not one cannot change reality & reality is Pakistan external debts has crossed $76b(beyond alarming situation) because Pakistan's N weapons are on high risk due to debts, Pakistan is in state of war that cost very high. Too much investment in Lahore only but new job creation zero.
Please don't concider me N league supporter, I am with opposition party:) I am only advocating to be transparent in deals & don't underestimate intentions of FBR.

Tahir Islam Bokhari replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 04:09 PM PST 

Dear Ahmad Hassan Sb, I do not doubt your intentions, but I suggest you to think twice before writing.

How can you give a sweeping statement that "We" (you mean all Pakistanis) do not want pay taxes. The way you are claiming it actually means that nobody in the world wants to pay taxes. People would happily pay taxes if there is transparency in collection as well as use of these taxes.

By blaming us "all" for the miseries of Pakistan, you are actually trying equate law-abiding people to the criminals and fraudulent people.

Please don't try to blur this difference, which can only help the fraudulent people. Its like a Chor who starts saying Chor Chor to hide himself among the innocent people.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 08:39 PM PST 

بات کڑوی ہے مگر ہے سچ۔ less than 1% persons Pakistanies pay taxes. We all are in same boat.

Tahir Islam Bokhari replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 10:18 PM PST 

There should be direct taxes on actual income, rather than indirect taxes that are imposed on all the people.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 11:23 PM PST 

طاہر بھائی ۔ Now are agreed on same point. Yes we are giving indirect taxes. May be more than anyother nation in world. We were giving taxes based in DC rate as well. But our system was converting white money to black technically. Now FBR launched new FBR values. If we continue same practice, outcome will be same. In fact this system suits to black sheep's. اور ہمیں ان کو اپنی صفوں سے نکالنا ہے۔. This will be possible when we will all start transparent deals on actual and start mentioning actual buy and selling price & we won't be blackmail.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 09:33 PM PST 
Someone brief

40 lac limit only for witholding tax or for capital gain tax too ??cvt and stamp will be on new dc rates buyer ??
Gain tax , witholding tax will be on fbr evaluation for seller ??
How people will come to know fbr evaluated rate ?? And dealer will follow there rates or fbr evaluation ??
Also want to konw what will be procedure of buying and selling for filer and non filer ?? Someone give example covering cvt , stamp for buyer on other end gain and other tax for seller in one story .
How I can become filer with no job no business but a million rs from forfather property , also someone tell which taxs are returnable for filer from property at end of year ?? Jaxak AllH khair

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:06 PM PST 

All correct. Stamp CVT same old procedure.
Capital gains tax only filer like before.
As such in new laws noting much changed.
Valuation list be FBR will be printed and every dealer will have copy of it.
Become a filer and get all your WHT refunds back also.

Tahir lutfi replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 12:16 AM PST 

Is it simple to become a filer even if u have bought a property as non filer

Some one plz through some ligbt
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:22 PM PST 
Current Tax Rates

Jameel Mughal Sb, Please make corrections if required.

Buyer (Filer and Non-Filer both)
Stamp duty 3% on dc rate
CVT 2% on dc rate

Buyer (Non-filer)
WHT tax 0.6% on valuation price
Advance tax 4% on valuation price

Buyer (Filer)
WHT tax 0.3% and Advance tax 2% on valuation price

Seller (Non-filer)
WHT 0.6% of valuation price
Advance tax 4% of valuation price

Seller (Filer)
WHT 0.3% of valuation price
Advance tax 2% of valuation price

CGT (Filer)
10% first yr sale
7.5% second yr sale
5% third yr sale
0% after 3 yr sale

CGT (Non-filer): 0%

Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:37 PM PST 

How CGT for non filer will be 0%?

humayun replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:11 PM PST 

Bcz filer is not filing income tax return. CGT will be only paid by him at the time of filing. For nonfiler it will be Zero definitely lol.

User_9325® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:11 PM PST 

now yu cannot remain non filer. they will start sending notices if yu are a non filer and own a property. this term non filer will slowly diminish to exist. they want everybody to file returns and document economy

Ashfaq® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:20 PM PST 

Many thanks. If we sell plot after 3 years, what would be application of withholding tax and advance tax? Shall we pay or it would be exempted

Kindly advise.

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:21 PM PST 

Seller has to pay advance tax 4% (non filer) on evaluation price.
Let's say 4 lacs on 1 crore property sale, or 8 lacs on 2 crore. Here goes the profit to directly to government.

pk replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:28 PM PST 

non filer would have paid 8% advance tax plus 0.9% withholding tax, so may actually have tax refund due. It will not make sense for anyone to be non-filer in the future.

Aldwin® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:33 PM PST 

Even if overseas Pakistanis file their tax returns, they cannot get their tax refunds because they usually don't have any other taxable income. So their money will be gone for good, whether they file or don't file returns. Any comments?

Aldwin® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:36 PM PST 

@Ashfaque
Advance income tax and WHT will be applicable irrespective of when you buy or sell your property.

Szaidi® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:49 PM PST 

@Aldwin. In case of filer overseas Pakistanis has to pay less tax and if Non filer they have to pay more tax.

Ashfaq® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:02 PM PST 

@ Aldwin® : Jazzaak Allaah Khairian

Nabeel® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:11 PM PST 

Yes Aldwin I believe you are right.

Even if overseas Pakistanis file their tax returns, they cannot get their tax refunds for Advance Tax because they usually don't have any other taxable income. So their money is gone for good, whether they file or don't file returns.

So this increase in Advance Tax will hit overseas hard. Thanks Government.

Aldwin® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:24 PM PST 

#Szaidi
You are right. An overseas filer will pay 2.3% less tax than an overseas non-filer.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:04 PM PST 

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1152782/real-estate-sector-handed-tax-amnesty/

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:20 PM PST 

Number 1. Capital gains tax you don't have to pay upfront.
Number 2. When you file taxes you will pay gains tax at year end
Number 3. All taxes you have paid upfront CVT WHT etc will be subtracted from base price and adjusted to reduce the sales price and then only gains tax will be calculated
Number 4. When you file taxes you will get a refund for money you paid as WHT.
Nimber 5. Becoming a filer is recommended to reduce WHT and get refund also.

Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 09:32 PM PST 

When new DC values will be declared?

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:15 PM PST 

Alldwin
seller filer 1 % no filer 2%
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:03 PM PST 
DHA PRISM 9

I think now prism 9 again all set for gain massively after limit increased from 30 to 40 lac threshold yesterday as rate for prism will be less than 40 lac and LRR is going to complete on 14th August 2017.

Surfer® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:01 PM PST 

Specially PRISM 5 marla's are now hot selling PRODUCTS. May be vanished from market in comming weeks.

ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:00 PM PST 

Also 9 Town I think
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:44 PM PST 
New DC value of Capital Gain

I have a question please correct me if I am wrong

New DC value will be 200-300% more so FOR EXAMPLE if DC value was 7 lac now it will be 21 lac.
Market Value of plot is 50 lac.

So there wont be any capital gain as even New DC value will be under 40lac

Am I right please advice.

Regards

Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:48 PM PST 

Also adding to question when New DC value list will be published?

Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:59 PM PST 

I am sorry I means WHT.

Also 200-300% is for residential plots as well? As I read somewhere that for residential increase will be less
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:16 PM PST 
Short term investor will shift to 5 marla

With the new tax amendments, basic threshold of Rs 3 million for the application of withholding tax on the purchase of immovable property has been enhanced to Rs 4 million. Any transaction within one year will be subject to 10% gains tax above the threshold.

This means 5 Marla plots will be new turf of short term trading and their prices will be jacked up. This will be disadvantageous to smaller property buyers to build house. But as soon as it reached to 4 million then is the level playing field because it has entered into tax limit. By hitting 4 million threshold will have lost the advantage of being CGT free and may lost interest with short term traders.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:28 PM PST 

Zahid Saab short term trader is still happy as within one calendar tax year rate list is same. So do sale purchase at official price between July 1st 2016 to June 30 2017 will have no tax trigger. So 3 kind of ppl will gain the most.

A. PLOTS UNDER 40 LACS
B. SELL AND BUY INVESTORS DEALERS WITHIN SAME TAX YEAR TILL NEXT JULY 1 2017.
C. LONG INVESTORS OVER 3 YEARS

Win win for all

Open Eyes replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:21 PM PST 

Everybody is focusing on CGT.....no one is talking about WHT impact, which will be the real killer for short term investors as from onward it will be calculated on FBR rate.....The negotiators are happy but in my opinion they miss this point (If base in increase then WHT rate must come down as Ishaq Dar advise to provincial governments to increase DC rate and reduce tax rates)

SIM replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:40 PM PST 

You are right. Paying 4% advance tax on market value will be a big chunk of total amount.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:24 PM PST 

In Pak avg plot gained 20% so ppl still want to buy.
Plus WHT is refundable when you file tax.

User_6006® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 05:28 AM PST 

govt have shaken the trust of investor successfully . no buyer in market you will see in coming days ,govt purposefully complicated all , only genuine buyer will be available in market , actually in my view in greed and haste govt kill his own earnings
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:54 PM PST 

Dear All,
Can anyone clarify pls
If I buy a property today, the new fair value FBR rate will apply. I sell the same property next month, since the FBR rate will remain the same, how will the gain be calculated in order to calculate capital gain tax?

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:25 PM PST 

No tax within one calendar tax year from July 1st 2016 to June 30 2017.

New rates will come every June 30th for following year.

Within one year sale purchase on same rate list will trigger no tax affect.

Arif M® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:00 PM PST 

So if we sell something within a year and make some profit on it (Say 2 million).. then how will it become white money.. while it is not declared in documents? As there are no change in rates by FBR within year.??

Jehanzeb Ahmad replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:06 PM PST 

FBR rates are minimum rates. If you made a profit within a year you need to write the actual value to make that profit white and pay 5% CGT on it. Otherwise your profit would be black money

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:08 PM PST 

It's same as with DC it use to be. Ishaq Dar and FBR basically are giving a flat rate for us which will change every budget year. They want continuity abs certainty in market not worried about white or black.
Did they do any thing earlier. Today also they dint say they will go after older transactions.

Basically giving tax is a new thing in Pak so will take a decade before fully documented economy.

Szaidi® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:54 PM PST 

As per new terms If anybody sell within a year it will come under table of 0-1 year and capital gain tax will be 10%.

Not Registered 8684 replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:44 PM PST 

Once the FMV remain the same during the year and the capital gain is Zero i.e. FMV (selling) less FMV (buying) = zero
Then the capital gain tax will be:
10% * zero = zero
The CGT is zero if tou buy and sell in the same tax year.

Jaffar.abhatti replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:53 PM PST 

Once the FMV remain the same during the year and the capital gain is Zero i.e. FMV (selling) less FMV (buying) = zero
Then the capital gain tax will be:
10% * zero = zero
The CGT is zero if you buy and sell in the same tax year.

CMY never registered me. I tried several times.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:25 PM PST 

Jaffar Saab is right. If you buy and sell and mention the stated price.

Sheikh_at® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 09:30 PM PST 

True. No capital gain tax if sold before 30th june. People are worrying over capital gain tax, infact, main worrying is advance tax on fair market value espiecially for non filers which will be equivalent 8% for buying and selling as most people involved are non filers

I replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:12 PM PST 

Sheikh Saab. CVT stamp every one was giving before that. We all agree and still lots of gains. Now WHT over 40 lacs value instead of 2 is 4. So all else same. Market will move forward.

Still no income tax
Still no gains tax after 3 years.
Overseas Pakistanis become filer and reduce or get refund on WHT also.

Market has realized that all over world some form of taxation still Pak is very less and returns quiet high.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:09 AM PST 
Impact on prices

Dear CMY and experts on this forum

Thanks for all the efforts and updates

What will be the impact of increase in fair market value in short and long term on high priced properties especially Commercial plots in phase 9 Prism ....

Any comments ?

Thx

Dr Omer replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:15 AM PST 

And also on phase 8 commercial
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:33 AM PST 
Market news CMY thank you

Very good outcome. I had many friends on fence who want to buy as
1 transparency. We know what to pay at
2 all old transactions are safe older then 3 yrs
3 rates are reasonable as 5% by 3rd yr
4 Lahore is getting so much infrastructure mega projects so paying tax on profit is fair and it is reasonable
5. This is on gains if next year rate up only then you will give tax of your gain. It is not flat tax.
6. Less then 40 lacs all 5 Marla plots big gainers. Sell and buy them as much as you want.
7. Now all transactions will be transparent no state bank values
8. I listened Ishaq Dar conference and frankly I dint imagined they will give in that much and that soon.
9. Over all neat clean and transparent development
10. Investors want clarity and they got. Rest tax on gains all over the world ppl pay lot higher then this
11. London you pay 28%. Canada where I am 25%.
12. Thanks to Allah

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:37 AM PST 

CMY Saab get ready to be busy again. Inshallah coming in September need 1 more plot was waiting for market clarity. My friend is in Pak and with money in hand was sitting on fence as no clarity. Now inshallah will Watsapp him and tell this news as his flight back is August end. So he can buy with confidence.
Ishaq Dar said on Monday inshallah he will introduce legislation also.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:05 AM PST 

Ishaq Dar also told a very good news.
No special audit or scrutiny FBR as in past will do same. Neither increase or decrease. Same policy as old.
Also all older properties older then 3 yrs prior to this law need to pay no tax.
Old money is neither black nor white.
Business as usual if plot bought 3 yrs ago if with in 3 yrs and selling then only 5% of gain.

Also Ishaq Dar said in Lahore property value was close to DC and it was not as bigger gap as they thought.

Ishaq Dar said we are worried for overseas Pakistanis and we need there remittances so we made it very transparent process. Now capital will come to Pak and not fly.

Surfer® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:31 AM PST 

@ Hassan i think now property will on the rise again & your friend will now pay more if delayed to due huge Infra struture. Now is the situation don't delay just buy.
Yes its good news for all of us & Market comes alive again "In shaa ALLAH"

FAA.awan® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:54 AM PST 

As I told a few days before,govt cannot afford to stop real estate sector because of many hidden challenges.Try to understand DHA and other strong stakholders and builders' power.Now a good news for investors and property lovers.5m and 8m plots' price can jump within this month so far my sources are. As 40 lac amount is above any tax,good for small investors.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 09:47 AM PST 

Ahmad Saab within one calendar year

July1 2016. To. June 30 2017

You can sell as an investors unlimited times with no gains as
prices will be revised every calendar year plus with discussions and input from stake holders Ishaq Dar repeatedly said he will listen to all in future.

Also this gain tax will only be paid when you file tax and then can deduct commissions other taxes and WHT etc.

All in all reasonably documented society and same old FBR what they were doing previously same officers still there. No one here was asking previously and no one ask still. Ishaq Dar said he wants system to run and has fixed uncertainty and no one will be harassed now.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:14 AM PST 

Dear Hassan, thanks for clarification. But if one is doing unlimited transactions & not a filer too then one is converting white money to black only. I think this will be hard now that one earn millions and FBR keep eyes closed. That means Dar SAAB was only wasting time and money till today. PHIR TOO DAR SAAB NAY JHAAK HE MARI THEE.:) Well we all hope & pray for good. Amensity will not be announced again & again. we should document our transactions in future

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:12 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab within one calendar year you can mention on transfer time rate list of july1st 2016. This way you are transferring on FBR rate and will be legal as from

July 1st 2016. TO. June 30 2017.

As within one year rate list will be constant but on July 1st 2017 new rate list and if it is higher then last year then on difference of that when you will file tax you will pay on gains less all transactional cost of stamp, CVT, commission to agent, society charges etc.


Yes all in all ISHAQ DAR made a big hype and eventually overseas money and flight of capital to Dubai scared them and they are relieved to solve a self created problem.

Nabeel® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:42 PM PST 

What about Advance Tax for buyers...Is it correct that it has gone up to 4% for buyers who are non-filers? (Most people are still non-filers)

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:06 PM PST 

Dear Hassan Bahi, here confusion starts. Now I give you a case study. For example FBR value is 50 LAC but I purchase a plot in 70 lac. Since am overseas Pakistani like and this will not be problem to provide source of money at this stage. Assuming am very lucky and I am able to sale in 90 lacs within fiscal year. FBR value is still same and what I am getting from your or CMY point of view is that ask buyer to give you PO equal to FBR value and rest either cash or second PO. Technically I am not liable to pay 10% CGT because FBR value is same but same time am also converting 20 lac of capital investment and 20 lac of profit into black money. But if am very afraid from FBR & honest and put orginal buying and selling values. It will set reference for next year FBR values. This will also make hard to find buyer because next buyer has to provide source of income of my selling price. Please now give your analysis.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:39 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab yes generally within one year mention official FBR rate and zero gains tax liability.
But yes in second scenario if you declare true actual you will pay tax on difference of it as gains tax . But if you don't declare higher value then you have to keep it on the side like it is now or forever in Pak it is or was like that always so not new from real estate perspective.
Last part you asked if buyer will mind plot at higher value. No he will not mind as FBR has no concern to individual buying at more price then that as they will use there list anyways to calculate the difference.
Basically FBR and Ishaq Dar encourages ppl to use there rate list. Rest they are least bothered on what actual rate the transaction closed as long as it meets the threshold set by them.
They have made a standardized form just like DC was but higher value. But like DC this will be out of touch with actual transactions but more easy and simple. Pakistani culture tax style.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:48 PM PST 

ایک دفعہ کا ذکر ہے کہ دوسری جنگ عظیم میں ایک گاؤں کے نمبر دار کو فوجی بھرتی کر نے کا پیغام ملا۔ نمبردار نے بہت کوشش کی مگر گاؤں سے کوئی نوجوان لڑنے کے لئے تیار نہیں ہوا۔ آخر نمبردار نے ایک طریقہ سوچا اور سب نوجوانوں کو یہ بول دیا جو بھی حامی بھرے گا وہ ٹریننگ کے بعد کمیشنڈ رینک آفیسر کی ترقی پائے گا اور اس کی نوکری بھی پکی ہوگی ۔ بس پھر پورا گاؤں ہی تیار ہوگیا۔ سب نوجوان کے سے نمبردار انگریز ڈپٹی کمشنر کے دفتر حاضر ہوا اور نوجوان دفتر سے باہر انتظار میں بیٹھ گے۔ کافی دیر کے بعد نمبردار ڈپٹی کمشنر کے دفتر سے برآمد ہوا اور نوجوانوں کو خطاب کرتے ہوئے کہا۔ بھائیوں میں نے آپ کے مطالبات ڈپٹی صاحب کے سامنے رکھے مگر وہ نہ مانے۔ لیکن میں نے بھی ہمت نہیں ہاری اور اپنی بات پر اڑ گیا ۔صاحب نے کمیشنڈ آفیسر والی بات تو نہی مابی آخر کار ان کو میری یہ بات ماننا پڑی کہ نوجوانوں کو ٹریننگ بھی فری میں دے گے اور ٹریننگ کے بعد تنخواہ کے علاوہ وردی اور کھانا فری ملے گا ۔ بس پھر  کیا تھا نوجوانوں بے جوش میں آکر نمبر دار کو اپنے کندھوں پر اٹھا لیا۔

Now am afraid that similar not happen with us. Market leaders can declare this a big success just to break lock down. :)

Hussain replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:09 PM PST 

Guys - capital gains tax has always been there so the short term investors have always been dealing with it. The only changes vs last year are

1) change in values - 20-30% increase in residential DC value; 200-300% increase in commercial DC value (which will still be massively undervalued compared to market
prices)

2) change in capital gains tax period from 2 to 3 years!

So all is good and you will see the market back on track shortly IA

Regards

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:16 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab here FBR OR ISHAQ DAR OR BIG GUYS they all wanted an easy path as they are the stake holders means. They are the numberdar of your example and the villagers also and the commissioner also hehe

All big MNAs

Aleem Khan
Saad Rafiq
Anusha Rehman
Malik Riaz
LDA DG
Kyani bros
They have there own housing schemes. They all wanted a easy solution as there own stakes are much bigger then us.

MFA® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:26 PM PST 

I think its bit early to say any thing about the mechanism before it will be legalized and amended. However one thing which I have learnt from the press conference of Ishaq Dar is that one needs to pay 10% CGT and it will not be subject to threshold of 40 lacs. What I understood is that one need to pay 10% tax as a CGT on every transaction of property within one year. Also I learnt from one waseeqa nawees in Lahore that Govt. is taking CGT not on the profit but on the declared amount. However, this needs to be confirmed, and situation will be more clear afterwards. Any ideas?

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:00 PM PST 

I also know one more real example of past, one lady bought a plot in 90 in phase 8 and mentioned orginal buying price. Last year she was selling but the buyer back out last moment when he found actual buying price was mentioned because he cloudnt provide source of 90 lac. I think Ishaq Dar gave a free ticket for those who had purchased property from black money to quite and convert black to white. After that market will be dry for few years. Better don't rush for buying. Buying after few months is better once condations will be clear. Yes there is a chance if my guess wrong I will be buying expansive but other way I will be buying in less price.

Usama Javed® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:24 PM PST 

Mr. Ahamd can you guarantee that after few months we would be able to buy property at some discounted price keeping in view the massive infrastructure development taking shape in lahore? i do not believe so as if we hold our buying now we will end up paying more with passage of time for the same properties.

AHMAD HASSAN® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:46 PM PST 

Dear Usama, frankly speaking no guarantee because situation is quite confusing. Since am already holding plot so am not in hurry. I will take my posation to take a chance to buy in less price. Secondly I don't want to jump in well blindly and will wait for proper notifications and understanding. But everyone is free to take own posation. Here we are just discussing theories.

momi replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:10 PM PST 

Ha Ha Ahmad Hassan love the story. This is exactly what has happened with us and we are celebrating. But honestly this sector had to taxed long time back.

Ahmed Khan replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:27 PM PST 

Dear Hussain Sahib, of what i understand by & large you are correct, there are minor adjustments.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 08:34 PM PST 

Ahmad Saab in this country every one gets pass. This is only if you file tax you pay. Who were not filing before will still kit file. Also after 3 years every ones income is white if they don't sell. Ppl who were earlier abusing the system will still do.
Ishaq Dar wanted every one to carry on without any extra fear. He said we are same old FBR just pay us little more and no one will big no one.
This is Pakistan here every one is accommodated.
If for this reason you sitting on fence don't as I am predicting inshallah this news has almost being absorbed and ppl have no other avenue.
1 Gold ppl don't want to buy as more volatile
2. Interest rate historic low so no charm in bank saving accounts
3. Dubai no charm as dead returns or minus
4. Dollar pound not recommended as stagnant or down.
5. Stock exchange ppl small investors fear that it is manipulated when big guys want they take gains

So REAL ESTATE is only good choice for middle class.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:46 AM PST 

I have just uploaded new and full video with all details about taxes. Please watch this important video to fully understand how the new taxes will be imposed.

https://youtu.be/vsyNEvoTNHg




Please also note capital gains tax will be charged as per Fair Value Chart made by FBR with property dealers suggestions which is almost 200 to 300% higher than the present DC rates in 21 cities of Pakistan.

You will pay capital gains tax on profit amounts only when you will file tax returns and profits amount subjected to gains tax will be after deductions of your property transfer fees and dealers commissions etc.


But since its a provincial matter to set own DC rates CVT/Stamp duty will be charged on provincial DC rates which are also being increased by 35 % in Punjab on average from last years DC rates. It is understand able increase as property in Lahore have almost doubled since last in most projects.



I strongly suggest and request all dealers buyers sellers to use FBR market rates table in their sale deeds. Must tell your dealers to write only FBR market value in sale deed and pay order should be made only for that amount even if actual price is higher or lower. (Text me on Whatsapp to know the impact and great benefit / reason of this suggestion)

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
Please do me a favor do save my both phone numbers on your phone contacts list + & +

User_6006® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:58 AM PST 

just saw your you tube video of today , thanks for reminding me that CGT implemented on properties above 30 lac in past and now 40 , was thinking y i paid 4500 CGT on property below 20 lac when i sold and hold a year , may be dealer cleverness

@Nom replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:59 AM PST 

No Doubt, this is good for investors but not for such persons who really want to make their home and want to get rid of rental houses, as plot rate are too high. Anyhow , good for investors.

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:03 AM PST 

Very good outcome. Thanks to Allah

Sheikh_at® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 05:43 AM PST 

Cmy please also share fair market value by fbr of
dha lahore

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:35 PM PST 

CMY.

Please also discuss WHT, which is 2% for filer & 4% for non-filer on FMV.

Dealer_8042® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 11:41 AM PST 

Muzaffar Hashmi sahib and Nasir Aliyan sahib from Aliyan esates is present at the meeting representing Bahria town.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:02 AM PST 
Phase 8 S Block

It appears there has been a big jump in the value for S-Block, Phase 8.
Is this true and why is it so?

SHAHZAD20® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:12 AM PST 

BHAI NFC 2 IS A FAILED SOCIETY.

Asif Sardar replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 06:56 PM PST 

S block was always been underrated in beginning despite of its better
location (exactly on Barki raod). Better location than Ivy green or DHA 7.
under priced blocks surely give more returns later stage.
I now its turn of S block and i expect big jumps are possible.

Asif replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 07:01 PM PST 

Big jumps are possible but the price will not go higher than the exiting better located blocks etc X, W, V.
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:44 AM PST 

#Tax Alert

Finance Division

Press Release

July 30, 2016

On the issue of Valuation of Property and related tax matters, the Federal Minister for Finance held successful talks with the property evaluators from all over the country at the Federal Board of Revenue on late Saturday evening. The main points of this discussion as agreed are:

· Valuation has been agreed for major cities

· Valuation tables will be notified by FBR instead of valuation by SBP approved valuers

· Till such time and for those areas for which no valuation tables are notified, DC rate will apply

· Holding period for CGT(capital gain tax) has been reduced from 5 to 3 years

· There will be no CGT on property held for more than 3 years

· Properties acquired on or after 1st July 2016:

o If holding period is up to 1 year - CGT 10%

o If holding period is between 1 and 2 years - CGT 7.5%

o If holding period is between 2 and 3 years - CGT 5%

o If holding period is more than 3 years - CGT 0% / exempt

· Properties acquired before 1st July 2016:

o If holding period is less than 3 years - CGT 5%

o If holding period is more than 3 years - CGT 0% / exempt

· Valuation will apply on (i) CGT (ii) withholding taxes (iii) for the purposes of sec 111

· Basic threshold of Rs 3 million for application of withholding tax on purchase of immovable property enhanced to Rs 4 milllion

· Appropriate legislation will be done to give effect to the proposed changes as agreed with all stakeholders

M Zahid® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:22 AM PST 

This will be win win situation for property market. Thanks for sharing
Which are the 20 cities

Babbi replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:40 AM PST 

Good news for the market. Wise decisions by the concerned ones...

Kureshi® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:32 AM PST 

Thanks to Allah. I told everyone , stay positive.

Back to work !

KK® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:48 AM PST 

If u sell plot now how 5% rate will apply ,, how capital gain will b calculated

HassanHC® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:35 AM PST 

Thanks to ALLAH. ALLAH Tera shuker. Mashallah very happy with this news.
All should be happy
Win win for all
Alhamdolillah

FAA.awan® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:56 AM PST 

I think it overall good news for property market and will not affect the
prices as the people were expecting.Only somewhat correction is being seen nothing else.Good for Small plots holders (5m and 8m) category,as 40 lac amount has no CGT tax or Wht tax etc.(a good exemption).I think we should accept new tax as natural calamity and restart our business once again.Allah will help us in this field.Nothing more relaxation in tax is expected from this ruthless govt and Ishaq dar.Now Be ready and rebuild your dream once again.

aylaa replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:55 PM PST 

Same story will be repeated every yearv should kick out noon league in next elections
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Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:37 AM PST 

please evaluate price for DHA Phase 7, near W975. Thanks!
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:41 PM PST 
"Generosity"

Other than Tax I like to share an interesting experience in Past.

Looking at my interest in property many many of my friends and relatives get advices, In Feb 2014 One of my close relative was interested in Buying land for house and gave me the task, Looking at his financial Condition and available funds I searched for him a property on Gt Road near interchange in 1.33 Lac/merla, It was Just 0.7 KM away from Gt road. I told him that price is great and I will add 50% of Total value as Good Will, You Just arrange 50% and Buy it. I could have Contributed all but I wanted to see his interest. After some reflections he thought he should not go for that and on advice of his father in Law invested in Gold.
After 2 years the area was nicely developed and few houses were there price gone to 4 to 5 Per merla in worst Locations. At the same time he lost about 30% in Gold Value.
Now i feel Sorry More than him.
Lesson is people with so many reflections and Doubts cant be property investors no matter how cheap it will be.

Real Estate is best replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:47 PM PST 

property jahan ho jese bhi ho khareed lani chahiye. property long run may kabhi lose nahe deti

Rana_Australia® replied on Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:52 PM PST 

Jameel bhai mujhe kitna tax lage ga on sale of plot in Phase 7 for 160.75

Lucky® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 03:21 AM PST 

Rana Sab.
I think 5 % CGT.
to exempt from CGT you need to wait for 3 years...like 2nd july 2019.

Siddique® replied on Monday, August 1, 2016 08:22 PM PST 

Jameel bhai, after reading this story, i feel sorry for your relative as well. lower middle class or middle class people with limited budget always confuse and in confusion sometimes make wrong decision in investment. I wish good luck for future for your relative.
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:36 PM PST 

Brothers AOA , I need to know exact tax on my plot in Phase 7 which I sold for 160.75 ( no commission ) . Transfer is next Wednesday .
I am least interested in CGT , Hi tea , Black tea ..bus bhai ye bata do tax kitna aur pocket mein kitne

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:04 AM PST 

What was this plot purchased ? within 3 years ?

Rana_Australia® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:12 AM PST 

No ..this year

New replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 01:32 AM PST 

5 percent which is 8 lac if you file cgt otherwise nothing only wht in your case

Waseem® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 02:06 AM PST 

5% will be on the difference between purchase price & selling price. That is straight from the horse's mouth (Mr. Ishaq Dar).

User_13548® replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 04:26 AM PST 

Dear all, please do not be mistaken from cgt as it would be 5% on the profit only and not on the plot price. Kindly
update yourself and relax. Example plot purchase at 50 lac, sold at 60 lac, profit gain is 10 lac, now 5% of 10 lac only.

Asif Sardar replied on Sunday, July 31, 2016 07:09 PM PST 

Rana Sab ,

At what price you bought this plot?
Lets say you bought in 150 Lax (in year 2016) and now the price is 160 Lax.
If you sell now this plot in 160lax then the total gain or total profit is 10 lax.
Considering 10% CGT over 10 lax, you need to pay 100,000 Rupee tax.
In other words your property value is 159 lax.

Case 2:
Plot bought in 155 lax in 2016.
Selling in 160 lax in 2016
Capital Gain / Profit is 5 lax.
CG Tax (@10%) will be 50,000 Rupee.
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