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Thursday, April 9, 2009 03:19 AM PST 
another confusion is coming

another confusion is coming by 15 april 2009...u have to tell NEW TIME vs OLD TIME

Khan Sahib replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 05:17 AM PST 

I don't see what the confusion is...?

Its our dumb nation that causes the confusion. You just forward your clocks by 1 hour and thats your time...

naughty replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 08:34 AM PST 

after the announcement some sardars were spotted consulting doctors. they were asking how to forward biological clock.

ASK replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:06 PM PST 

This is done all over Europe, USA and Canada. I dont know why it is a confusion for our country.

MNM replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:20 PM PST 

Because our nation is illiterate

Abdullah Qureshi replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 03:20 PM PST 

New things take a while to sink in and getting used to, give our people a break sometimes!

Info replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 04:30 PM PST 

In Europe, the difference between daylight in summer to winter is about 4-6 hours.
At places like in Scandanavia countires.
winter daylight begins at 09:30hrs. and ends at 06:30hrs.
Summer daylight begins at 03:30hrs. and ends at 21:30hrs.
Most of Pakistanis are living in Spain or suthern italy so this is why it is little know to Pakistanis.
Basically Pakistan don't need to go through this hassel.
I do not know of any country which is as closer to tropic of cancer as Pakistan and changing clocks with Europe.
BTW, we are late clocks have been changed already in Europe since 31st March.

JI replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 04:40 PM PST 

This is basically not compatible with islamic countries where Namaz Times cannot move. What we are going to see is many qaza namaaz in first few weeks.
Also times is usually changed on weekdend to give people some time to adjustment. We are changing on Wednesday.

Come to think of it, we should move our clocks by two hours (and not one hour), this will make all sarkary officer to come to office on time.

yesss replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 07:18 PM PST 

Everyone on April 15 move the clocks ahead one hour. A donkey can figure that out !!

There is no such thing as "new time" or "old time" There is ONLY time and the time after April 15 will be "the time" PERIOD Cut the bull crap
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(38630)
Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:21 AM PST 

Plots in Bahria town

Dear Mr Khan and rfgfesdgers

Thanks for your information about Bahria Town and sector C. Around 2 dozen houses under construction is a good number.

Any idea how much would be the price of 1 kanal plot to build a house in developed sector like Jasmine or Gulbahar.

rfgfesdgers replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 09:22 AM PST 

35-45 lacs all dus clear

Nabeel replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 01:59 PM PST 

35-45 is wrong price. 1 kanal in Jasmine or Gulbahar sells for only 22 to 26 lac. rfgfesdgers give your
contact no I want to sell you 1 kanal for only 26 lac.

Shan replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 04:27 PM PST 

Thank you for you information. There is a lot of difference between both
prices 35-45 and 22-26. Please provide market price of 1 lkanal plot to build house in developed sector e.g Jasmine or Gulbahar blocks. Please also mention if this price is including or excluding development charges.

Inquiry replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 07:30 PM PST 

Dear Nabeel,
what is your email address?
Do you have more info. about Bahria?

rfgfesdgers replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 09:11 PM PST 

Nabeel bhai is this plot all dues clear and what is the plot number.

shan replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 09:40 PM PST 

Dear Mr rfgfesdgers

Please provide some more info on plot
prices to buy in developed sector. I ma a bit confused, is it around 25 lac or 35 lac. thanks

rfgfesdgers replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:03 PM PST 

Shan bhai believe me I have no interest in these plots I am just providing info. Those days are over when plots here sold for 22-26 now both of these blocks are fully developed with all facilities available, the medical college is fully functional, that is the main reason for the rates to go up also there are a lot of houses being made there. All the parkas of the commercal area are fully made in Sector C. Please call any BT dealer and he will quote you plots and there
prices according to me the minimum price of the worst location kanal plot in these 2 blocks will cost 32 lac all dues clear.

Shan replied on Friday, April 10, 2009 03:26 AM PST 

Dear Mr rfgfesdgers

Thanks for your time, message and giving information. I understand that you have no interest and that is why I asking your sincere suggestion and info. So if I understand correctly, all dues plot will cost be around 35 lac in these blocks. Thanks you

salman replied on Friday, April 10, 2009 11:52 PM PST 

Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulbahar Block 10 Marla from 10.00 to 13.25
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulbahar Block 1 Kanal from 22 to 28
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulbahar Block 2 Kanal from 50 to 53
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulmahar Block 10 Marla From 10.50 to 12.50
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Gulmahar Block 1 Kanal From 21 to 24
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Jasmine Block 10 Marla From 11 to 13
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Jasmine Block 1 Kanal From 23 to 30
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Sector C 5 Marla Commercial Plots 23 to 38
Bahria Town Lahore Sector C Sector C 8 Marla Commercial Plot From 45 to 48
Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Overseas Enclave 10 Marla From 12.00 to 15
Bahria Town Lahore Sector A Overseas Enclave Cat A Block 1 Kanal From 20 to 28
Bahria Town Lahore Safari Villas
Prices

these rates are published on lahore real estate web site
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(38629)
Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:16 AM PST 
E16 Cabinet Division Plot for Sale

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Size
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
Islamabad
Cabinet Division
E16
272 sq yd
825000
A 272sq yard (35x70) plot file in sector E16. The ballot is due very soon according to Cabinet Office.

My demand is Rs.825,000/- excluding development charges. 2 installments for the dev. charges (Rs.100,000/-) are already paid.

Urgent sale as I want to convert this to a 500 yard plot before the ballot. Exchange also possible.

Please contact me if interested. Anwer .
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(38628)
Thursday, April 9, 2009 01:46 AM PST 
to sale a plot

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
ISLAMABAD
WAPDA TOWN
1
c
10
40
6 lacs rupees
:sh: :sh: :sh: :sh: :sh: :sh:
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(38627)
Thursday, April 9, 2009 01:17 AM PST 
Dark Side of Subai

Dark Side of Dubai,
An intereting article to read

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai_b_183851.html

Sam 2009
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(38626)
Thursday, April 9, 2009 01:10 AM PST 
Good Location/Main Boulevard/Corner Plot required in BT LHR

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Size
Demand(Rs)
Wanted
Lahore
Bahria Town
Sector B
1 Kanal
plz let me know
:flg
Good Location/Main Boulevard/Corner One Kanal Plot required in Bahria Town sector 'B' for my client.
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(38625)
Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:35 AM PST 

AssalamOAlaikum...If any one wants hometution for their children in DHA area please contact . We cover the best schools including BloomField,BeaconHouse,LGS etc...Very shortly we will be starting academy in DHA area...
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(38623)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:09 PM PST 

Pakistan To America: Back Off
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—For the first time in a long time, the Pakistani government managed to turn heads in Washington by saying all things America doesn’t want to hear: Islamabad will not allow the United States to expand its war inside Pakistan, won’t allow U.S. boots on the ground, and CIA better stop its drone attacks ASAP. If this was not enough, the ISI chief reportedly refused to meet top U.S. officials and a former air force chief announced that the Pakistani Air Force is just a green signal away from shooting down CIA’s drones and that it only awaited orders from the President and the Prime Minister.

The week certainly did not start auspiciously for Mr. Richard Holbrooke, Washington’s arrogant special envoy who appeared visibly shaken yesterday in Islamabad. Apparently after getting used to apologetic Pakistani government officials, the sudden change of mood in the Pakistani capital was not something the seasoned diplomat anticipated. He was either too self-assured or was fed wrong reports by U.S. diplomats based in Pakistan.
All of this coincided with another major news story: the former Chief of the Pakistani Air Force, Air Chief Marshal (retired) Kaleem Saadat, came out on television yesterday night to decisively settle all speculation about what Pakistan can do to stop repeated U.S. violations of Pakistani airspace through the CIA-operated drones.
‘Yes, we can shoot them down,’ Saadat told Express News, throwing to the dustbin repeated statements by the defense minister and other ministers in the pro-U.S. elected government over the past months where these officials claimed Pakistan did not have the technology required to shoot down U.S. spy planes that violate Pakistani airspace. Those statements disappointed a majority of Pakistanis who look up to their military, one of the best in the world, to stand up for Pakistan.
Saadat gave an example: Pakistani Air Force jets shot down a sophisticated, Israeli-manufactured drone that India sent deep inside Pakistan on Jan. 7, 2002. The Indo-Israeli spy plane was supposed to be undetectable and beyond the reach and the capabilities of Pakistan Air Force. The Indian military was stunned. It initially tried to feign ignorance but then had to grudgingly half-accept the truth. And even then it was surprising for Pakistanis how Britain and the United States failed to censure India for a confirmed act of war.

The U.S. drones are much bigger in size [in comparison to the Indo-Israeli plane],’ said Air Marshal Saadat, and hence easier to target.

The former air chief left no doubt about who was failing in protecting Pakistani sovereignty. ‘The issue,’ said the former Chief of Air Staff, ‘is not military but a political one.’

This statement throws the ball in the court of the elected politicians who have long been suspected of quietly permitting Washington to mount missile attacks inside Pakistan.

Saadat’s statement came a few hours after a joint press briefing in Islamabad where visiting U.S. officials appeared shaken and confused. Richard Holbrooke, America’s envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appeared surprised at the friendly but firm and straightforward talk by Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Qureshi was blunt, something new for a member of the Zardari-Gilani government. Mr. Qureshi went as far as snubbing President Obama, who had earlier said Pakistan would get "no blank checks" and the release of more U.S. aid would depend on how it dealt with terrorism.

In response, Qureshi turned to both Holbrooke and Mullen who shared the stage with him and firmly said: “It works both ways. We'll neither accept one nor will we give one”.

Mr. Qureshi also said a “gap” existed between Islamabad and Washington on the problem of CIA-operated drones.

full article here

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=648

Braveheart Pakistan replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:36 AM PST 

Thanks for the article that has some encouraging news for the demoralised Pakistani nation. I wish it all turns into truth. Its the time when Pakistan should stand in the community of nations with head up on the shoulders rather than licking the dust.

yesss replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:56 AM PST 

The US is laughing at Pakistan for being such a willing slave. America wishes all foreign powers dropped so quickly to their knees.

Sharif-B.Clinton replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 01:09 AM PST 

I will never forget the lowest day in Pakistan's history, when N.Sharif decided to leave Pakistani army stranded in Kargil, in exchange for a photo session with B.Clinton.
Amazing part is liberation of Siachin was few days away and Indians went bonkers and start running around to find a broker to buy our political leaders. N.Sharif lost it all.

Saleem replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 04:18 PM PST 

Mr yeses

If you donot know the history donot missguide the people of pakistan.
Who went there who died? ask us as we are living near by-'Kargil".
Idians were not started running but pakistani army was trtapped.i know 100% because one of survival was my close relative.
It was wrong desession of That time Generals incuding G-Aziz Who is also living there.They did blundder.Nawaz Sharif was requested by local people and those were retired army men including my uncle to save remaining trapped yuong men.Indian did runn at the time of attacking because they were unuware the plan.Later on they cut supply line.It is long story to write.This is only to issure you about that acceden. I am not going to deffand other thing about Nawsz Sharif.

limo replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 06:31 PM PST 

Saleem, let’s correct the spellings first before discussing the incident.
Idians – Indians
Trtapped – trapped
Desession – decision
Blunder – blunder
Incuding – including
Young – young
Runn – run
Unaware – unaware
Issure – assure
Acceden – incident
Deffand - defend

Observer replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:10 PM PST 

@limo

Lets give you a proper name before discussing the incident

limo - grammatical loser who cant argue with logic
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(38621)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 09:38 PM PST 
India's Covert War in Pakistan

India's Covert War in Pakistan

By Riaz Haq
www.riazhaq.com

President Barack Obama's new regional strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan envisions persuading Pakistan to stop focusing military resources on its regional rival, India, so it can concentrate more on fighting insurgents in its FATA region. This goal may be especially hard to achieve given the longstanding Kashmir dispute, mounting evidence of India's involvement in destabilizing Pakistan via Afghanistan, the history of three wars in South Asia in more than a half century — and a nuclear arms race — between Pakistan and India.

In the wake of Mumbai attacks, there has been talk of lightning air strikes strategy dubbed "Cold Start" against Pakistan and there has also been a rather open discussion in India about covert actions by Indian agents to destabilize and balkanize Pakistan. Former RAW chief B. Raman argues that India appoint a covert ops specialist as the new head of RAW. He says, “At this critical time in the nation’s history, RAW has no covert action specialists at the top of its pyramid. Get a suitable officer from the IB or the Army. If necessary, make him the head of the organization.”

Vikram Sood, another former top spy in India, elaborates on India's covert warfare options to target Pakistan in the following words: "Covert action can be of various kinds. One is the paramilitary option, which is what the Pakistanis have been using against us. It is meant to hurt, destabilize or retaliate. The second is the psychological war option, which is a very potent and unseen force. It is an all weather option and constitutes essentially changing perceptions of friends and foes alike. The media is a favorite instrument, provided it is not left to the bureaucrats because then we will end up with some clumsy and implausible propaganda effort. More than the electronic and print media, it is now the internet and YouTube that can be the next-generation weapons of psychological war. Terrorists use these liberally and so should those required to counter terrorism."

The dismissal by the Obama administration of Pakistani concerns about its arch rival India does not make sense in view of the demonstration of unrestrained Indian hostility toward Pakistan. The success of Indian government and the pro-India Washington lobby in excluding India from Ambassador Richard Holbrooke's mandate significantly reduces the chances of success. Add to that the ongoing US predator strikes claiming many Pakistani civilian lives, the concerted media campaign by the US to vilify the the ISI and blame Pakistani military for all the problems, and you can see the seeds of total failure of the new regional strategy.


Here's what Christine Fair of Rand Corporation thinks about Indian involvement in destabilizing Pakistan via its growing presence and influence in Afghanistan:

I think it would be a mistake to completely disregard Pakistan's regional perceptions due to doubts about Indian competence in executing covert operations. That misses the point entirely. And I think it is unfair to dismiss the notion that Pakistan's apprehensions about Afghanistan stem in part from its security competition with India. Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan. Kabul has encouraged India to engage in provocative activities such as using the Border Roads Organization to build sensitive parts of the Ring Road and use the Indo-Tibetan police force for security. It is also building schools on a sensitive part of the border in Kunar--across from Bajaur. Kabul's motivations for encouraging these activities are as obvious as India's interest in engaging in them. Even if by some act of miraculous diplomacy the territorial issues were to be resolved, Pakistan would remain an insecure state. Given the realities of the subcontinent (e.g., India's rise and its more effective foreign relations with all of Pakistan's near and far neighbors), these fears are bound to grow, not lessen. This suggests that without some means of compelling Pakistan to abandon its reliance upon militancy, it will become ever more interested in using it -- and the militants will likely continue to proliferate beyond Pakistan's control.

Here's another, similar view of India's involvement with the Taliban to foment trouble in Pakistan as seen by Laura Rozen:

The former intelligence official strongly supported the regional approach to Afghanistan suggested by US special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke. "Afghanistan is a classic power vacuum," the former official said. "Neighbors see it as point of instability to guarantee their own stability or an opportunity to score points."

While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."

"None of this is ever one-sided," he added. "That is why it was so devastating and we were so let down" when India got taken out of Holbrooke's official brief.

In my view, Pakistan faces two existential threats, not one. Clearly, the Al Qaeda and Taliban threat is in the news right now much more than the Indian threat.

My assessment is that "the Taliban" is not one organized monolith with a clear set of unified goals and single chain of command. There are many disparate groups operating under the label of "the Taliban". My guess is that some of these groups have probably also been infiltrated by foreign intelligence agencies like RAW and Khad that want to wage covert war in Pakistan to destabilize it.

Any nation that has faced Indian intelligence's covert war followed by an outright invasion to divide it can not be told to ignore that threat. The kind of rhetoric that emanated from India post-Mumbai can not be ignored either, particularly when both nations have a nuclear standoff, the kind of stand off the Americans had with the Soviets. In fact, the situation is much worse than US-Soviet standoff because there is no geographic separation.

The commentators and policy-makers who call for Pakistan to ignore the Indian threat are either naive lacking a real appreciation for the reality on the ground, or they are deliberately being disingenuous. As obvious from the virulent anti-Pakistan commentary that emanates from India on the Internet, media outlets and various international forums, the visceral hatred of Pakistan appears to part of the DNA of a significant segment of Indian population.

While Pakistan's religious right wing has very little support as demonstrated by repeated polls, including recent election results , Indians do vote in large numbers for openly anti-Muslim parties like the BJP and the Sangh Parivar, who are at least as big a threat to Pakistan's existence as the Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Notwithstanding additional US aid to Pakistan, the unilateral and impractical demands on Pakistanis by the Obama administration while continuing Predator strikes and the dismissal of the strategic interests of Pakistan in its neighborhood are not conducive for the success of US strategy in the region.


--
Riaz Haq
www.riazhaq.com
www.pakalumni.com

yesss replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:59 AM PST 

Since when does President Barack Obama decide where Pakistani soldiers are placed? Since when does President Barack Obama decide Pakistani military strategy? I have to pinch myself to make sure I am not having a nightmare.

Observer replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:42 AM PST 

A Simple Guide To Pakistan’s Enemies
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/a-simple-guide-to-pakistan%e2%80%99s-enemies/
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(38619)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 06:00 PM PST 

My budget is 55 TO 60 lac maximum.
can it possible to but an small house in islamabad.
friends from islamabad/Rawalpindiare plaese adviced about best location and current value.

ARG_INC replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 09:42 PM PST 

It's possible, but not in Zone I. Better to buy a plot Zone II in G-15 Jammu Kashmir Housing, for your budget ideal plot would be of 30x60 size. In G-15, 30x60 (8 Marla) plot cost in range of 23-30 depends on the
location and 30 Lacs would be enough to built a house of this size. For more info. contact and we will guide your in best way.

nabeel replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 04:31 AM PST 

zone 2 is the best option for house. in zone 1 only 20x40 plot in g-13 and then build house is possible in this range. or g-14 25x50

Mian Nadeem Islamabad replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:25 PM PST 

Prefer a large size Plot and Construct a simple Single story house. Within your range my recommendations are as:-
Zone-I:- 25*50 OR 30*60 G-14/4, 25*40 or 25*50 D-12 (D-12 Possession in few months)
Zone-II:-30*60 or 40*80 G-15, 30*70 or 40*80 or 50*90 in D-17
Zone-V:-Comners Town Extension Now DHA-II (Ext)35*60 or 50*90 I strongly recommend u for this,Bahria Town Phase-III 250 or 500 Yards, Jinnah Garden or CBR Town 30*60 or 40 *80. Naval Anchorage 50*90.

Abdullah Qureshi replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 03:35 PM PST 

Dear Br. Mian Nadeem, is a particular reason for excluding the other Bahria Town sectors? I'm just a bit confused about this.

Mian Nadeem replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 04:04 PM PST 

Dear Qureshi Sb,
Bahria III is cheapest sector as compare to I,II,IV,V,VI. In Phase III 500 Yards plot is about 35 lekh.
Regards

ARG_INC replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 05:26 PM PST 

D-12 or G-14/4 are out of question, not ideal for living now. It's just good for future investment....If you wanna construct house near Islamabad soon as possible then only G-13 and G-15 would be ideal ones.
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(38618)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 04:14 PM PST 
DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse

DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse at 1.10 Pm Apr 8, 2009

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 24.40 Sellers(s) at 24.50 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 34.90 Lacs Seller(s) at 35.00 Lacs

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30.15 Lacs Seller(s) at 30.25 Lacs
Please note OPEN files are priced lower.

Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 21.20 Lacs Seller(s)at 21.25 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 15.45 Lacs Seller(s) at 15.50 Lacs



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next plane replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 06:26 PM PST 

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CMY replied on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:56 AM PST

Freinds I truly belive we wont see any worst
prices than we saw on Mar 15 2009.

Buying is highly recommended in safe scheme like DHA Lahore Bahria Town Lahore NFC Lahore Central Park Lahore DHA Islamabad phase 2 ext. Bahria Town phase 8 Pindi. Please don't fall for new investments based on infomercial's that are offered on installments . Say no to new bookings that are priced too higher than going market rates. They too much over supply in market for old inventory from SAME builders at much lower market prices than their current new booking on installments.

Don't keep waiting for more lower prices because we see a lot of buyer looking for these low prices to complete purchases. Sellers are keep taking of their properties from market or increasing the prices due to better market situation. You should buy now and think latter. If you wait more you will pay more than you will blame dealers for increasing the price artificially. Truth is we only buy and sell on rates based on supply and demand.

Anwer replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 07:46 PM PST 

I am sure CMY is not a Najoomi who could have predicted the spate of suicide attacks especially the one in Mannawan Lahore at that time.

kamal replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 08:30 PM PST 

'next plane' FYI cmy prediction still ok as
prices are still way above the march 15, 2009 level.

Imran shah replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 08:48 PM PST 

Its not the other societies but only DHA. No one can predict the future but I really do think that CMY knew what was going on in the market but he chose to give us false info. Because he is sitting in the market also. A small dealer having a 5000 rupee office on rent on Defense MB phase 1 knew what was going on and he told me that not one single transfer has occurred during this rise. I am also told that if these rates didn't rise during that zardari speech period than the rates will go even even low which means I can buy a phase 8 file in the 20's and a phase 7 plot in the 22's all dues clear :) I guess that dha investors have failed to kick up DHA now.

TANVIR AHMAD USA replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 09:23 PM PST 

I have been writing on this forum for last three years that these are all fake and artificial
prices. and there is no future of real estate in Pakistan. When in USA real estate prices are almost going back pre 911 era and the same is happening in Dubai??? Why not in Pakistan. If you compare the current real estate prices in Pakistan you will surprised that these prices are higher then even USA real estate prices. You can buy a good house in New York in less then 150 Lacs in New York but to buy a one canal house in DHA Lahore you at least need 200 Lacs the Pakistani Goverment Economic Manger Mr SHOUKAT AZIZ. Has said many times that Real estate will be heavily taxed in the forth Coming budget. The real estate crashed in March 2005 since then we have been hearing prices will rise after this EID after that EID after muhrram After Election , After long March , After Prime Minster speech , After president Speech ............. I don’t know how many times how many dealers used this.... But the prices failed to rise. The fact is the ground realities do not support the current real estate prices in Pakistan. Dealers will keep telling you doesn’t worry the bottom has already reached just step in.... This is the right time to buy.... while the fact is last night one attroney in usa was telling me the in Long Island New York the prices are going back as low as these were in 1976 . Well when this can happen in New York in Dubai in London why not in Pakistan .where people are being killed everyday. Drone attack every movement. PPP and PMN are still Fighting ... cell phone cars are being snatched every movement. Pakistan is the only country where file business exist in real estate. Like the stock exchange business. And in one single day prices go up and down. After this budget when there will be heavy tax on real estate you will see blood shed in real estate. This bloodshed will be worst blood shed what we have seen in Dubai and in USA. And that day is not far when prices will go back to

zahid kareem (lahore) replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 09:36 PM PST 

Dear Tanvir sahib,

I would like to offer my heartfelt condolences to you for losing all your life savings in tne usa property and stock market.When one has suffered huge financial losses people generally want the entire world to collapse..
The fact of the matter is that
prices in property have already touched rock bottom in Pakistan (specially dha related)and the rupee devaluation (by 30% plus)has further depreciated these prices!It seems highly unlikely that they will go recede to the extent that you would want.
Pakistan is here to stay Inshallah and things will improve in the coming few weeks and months. Please do not despair and seek solace in prayer and in positive thinking.(smile),
God bless us all

TANVIR AHMAD replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 09:43 PM PST 

I have not lost even a single panney in usa real estate Market brother I neither earn nor pay interst so I have never bought any house in usa .I dont invest in any harm business in which interst is involved . I love Pakistan . Pakistan will stay . but those people will not stay who are making poor people life hell . I am really surprised how people are excited when
prices go up just think about a common Pakistani . he also need deserveto own a small house in Pakistan . can he buy even one marla house under the current price range . not at all ????

shahzad replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:06 PM PST 

Dear Tanvir, Can you tell us what do in NY? I do not think there is any business in USA where interest is not involved. For example:
If you work as an accountant, I am sure you deal with people's tax returns so they can take advantage of Interet paid on their mortgages.

observor replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:27 PM PST 

I agree with Zahid Kareem Sb. Instead of boom or bust scenarios, in my opinion we have to be objective or otherwise it might lead to irrational analysis such as the one painted above. Our economic fundamentals particuarly real estate ones are very different from USA; for one our real estate economy is not as leveraged as the west's real estate sector and therefore, credit crisis isn't so much affecting our economy as the west; on the other hand our balance of payment problem has always been severe resulting in depreciating Rupee etc etc. Point is that real estate
prices in Pakistan might not fall further if we can achieve stability at the macro economic and political levels.

Hamid replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 05:36 AM PST 

Dear CMY Sahib,
why are you not updating
prices of DHA valley and DHAI PH-2 EXT prices?are you not selling or buying plots in this Phase?
Thanks

Farid-UAE replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:56 PM PST 

Observor has made a very valid comment that Pakistani real estate market is different in terms of leverage. i.e houses by awy of mortgage or loans are around 5% - 10% of total buying /selling in the real estate market whereas in west 95% property deals are done via mortgage. therefore, financial crisis have not effected the RE market in a big way in Pakistan.

Having said that, I also agree with Mr. Tanvir that RE
prices in Pakistan are unrealistic and should be down so that the people can afford to purchase houses. However, will it go further lower??. The prices ahve gone down aorund 10% in developed areas i.e where 70% plots have houses on it and now it is not falling further.

Onlooker replied on Saturday, April 11, 2009 08:27 PM PST 

CMY, Its been two days since you posted rates. Pls
update. Thanks
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(38617)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 03:36 PM PST 
Plots for Sale

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
Lahore
DHA
5
G
522 & 523
1 Kanal
50'
95 Lacs Each
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(38615)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 02:30 PM PST 
1-kanal plot for sale

Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Block
Plot
Size
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
lahore
sui-gas
1
e
124/6
19.m.aprox
6500000/-
excellent location just 4 minutes drive from dha phase 4 & 5. :forsale: :forsale: :forsale: :forsale:
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(38614)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 03:17 AM PST 

Ad Type
City
Scheme
For Sale
lahore
Bahria Town
I request all afftees of Pharia town at least to lodage a complient to Cm shabaz Sharif who has been cheated by the BT adminstrations specially C sector. Also request Cm sahib to Fix A date of handing over of plot. Also technical justification of development cahrges, change of plot loaction , awami villas etc. If every one send at least one complaient soon hundreds of complaints will be there and may be Cm sahib could take some action

http://www.cmpunjab.gov.pk/OnlineComplaints/UI/OnlineComplaint.aspx


This is web site of complient to cm punjab.

khan replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 09:28 AM PST 

What are we talking about. You must come out with your compleint first. Post that copy and then we can follow. Be specific.What eaxctly hashappened.I visited Bahria Town/LHR the other day. Houses are cpoming like spring flowers in all including 'c' sector.

Bahria affectee replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 02:59 PM PST 

All affectees of Bahria should get together and file a class action lawsuit against BT in the court of Chief Justice of Supreme Court Mr Iftikhar Chaudhary.

Shan replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 04:37 PM PST 

Hi Mr Khan

As you have visited recently to Bahria Town, do you know how many houses are under construction is Sector C and if all facilities are available to live Construct and live in Sector C.

khan replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 06:05 PM PST 

I did'nt visit with that in mind. I can say that for 'b' and 'a' all that youcan ask for is available. The sector are quiet and very plesant even in the night time. In sector'a' houses are coming up. The medical coolege is an icon, so is the coming up(under construction) mosque. Some houses are also under construction. So I do not know what is your threshhold of facilities available to live. If you ask if I were tomake a decision.To biult yes. It would take almost a year to complete the housee to make it liveable. By that time yes sur livable if you are not just a couple where you leave your housw wife by herself and you comne back in the evening.The over all feeling to me of 'a' and 'b' were very positive. Goodsecurit6y/cleanliness/plantation/ and the over all culture. So if that can be made a basis of future projection, I feel 'c' (which incidently has a better qualitative impact in respect of development) should have a plus over 'b'.

arshad replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 06:40 PM PST 

my dear khan i am talking about following
1. at least 40 percent of plots in map area is not on ground.
2.all installments for sector C has been paid but no date for possion of plots.
3, drastic changes in original plots on site.
4. Pockets in land acquired for BT sector C.
5, many plots have been shifted to raiwind road.
6.additional development charges.
7.Still no sign of possion of plots.
8 Extra money for posseion. construction allowed etc as comapired to LDA.
9.Overseas sector b c d e f no one knows where it will be constructed.
10. Where are awami villa? all installments paid.
hope u understand what i am talking about.
regarding myself i have launched complaient. i need my plot.
its just an offer if no one wants to complaien i am nor begging nor requesting.
khan sahib are you agent of BT why u so much stressing to invest there. I do see some motives in your mail. May be you wish more persons invest there and wait for years to get there plot. MAy be some commission from BT might be offered to you.

rfgfesdgers replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 08:41 PM PST 

The medical college is in Sector C and the facilities that are available contain from a Tandoor to a furniture showroom. I do admit that BT have a lot of flaws but what society doesn't. There over 2 dozen houses under construction in Bahria Town Sector C + its rates are rising continuously.

Shan replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 02:10 AM PST 

Dear Mr Khan and rfgfesdgers

Thanks for your information. Around 2 dozen houses under construction is a good number. Any idea how much would be the price of 1 kanal plot to build a house in developed sector like Jasmine or Gulbahar.
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(38613)
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:52 PM PST 

Plot wanted in DHA-6 (blocks: B,h,J,K )u can post your price here or you can email me:

Ahmad replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 01:21 AM PST 

I have one plot in Block D phase6. if interested.
contact
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(38612)
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:47 PM PST 
naval anchorage...plot for sale

Ad Type
Block
Plot
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
E
28
500 sq yar
st 1
???
salam,

genuine offer wanted

owner
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