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   Bahrainwala
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:28 PM PST 
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Floor Plan / Design
forwarded from 42732


Dear Mr. Zulfiqar and CMY,

As advised by Mr Zulfiqar to post some of the prospective view of the houses and then if some one likes he can pay the charges and take the floor plans. I think that this will not be fair as if some one has paid for something he should get the full service. Hence i have the following proposal.

1. The interested party can send me the e-mail of their interest
2. I will send them a form to get their idealogy to of their dream home and other details.
3. We will agree on a fee for the job and the client shall pay the fee first.
4. We will prepare the prospective and floor plans with minimum 2 options and send them for their review and modificaiton if required.
5. If no comments are their the job is completed.

Please note that the fee will cover only 1 revision as two option will be provided to them on the first time.

Your inputs are needed as this is a brain storming session and what to make sure that this should be fair for all.

Regards

Bahrainwala
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   LRE Rates Update
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 09:49 PM PST 
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DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse
DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse at 3.30 Pm Apr 7, 2009

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 24.75 Sellers(s) at 25.00 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 35.90 Lacs Seller(s) at 36.00 Lacs

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30.25 Lacs Seller(s) at 30.35 Lacs
Please note OPEN files are priced lower.

Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 20.90 Lacs Seller(s)at 21.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 15.75 Lacs Seller(s) at 15.85 Lacs



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http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com
Khan replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:20 PM PST 

It appears that air is coming out fast from recent run up in prices.
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   shoukat hayat khan
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 09:04 PM PST 
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sale of scenic land in abbottabad pak
Ad Type
City
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
abbottabad
20 kanal
20 ft
2 crores
scenic land
land situated on main highway. development potential . can b developed beverley hills style .pine tree plantation on land.for exact location please contact photos will b uploaded soon .all land under 1 khasra number
arshad replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:46 AM PST 

please contact on Regards
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   SAIF
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 08:47 PM PST 
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I WANT TO BUY COMMERCIAL PLOT IN VALENCIA (K BLOCK)
Ad Type
City
Scheme
Block
Size
Wanted
LAHORE
VALENCIA
K
6-7 MARLAS
I WOULD LIKE TO BUY A COMMERCIAL PLOT FOR 6-7 MARLAS IN VALENCIA (K BLOCK). IF SOME ONE IS INTERESTED PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
SABA replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 08:52 AM PST 

I HAVE A 6-7 MARLA COMM PLOT NEAR VALANCIA TOWER.ITS A CORNER.HOW MUCH U WANT TO SPEND?
Sarmad replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:27 AM PST 

What is your demand for this plot?
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   Anwer
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 07:42 PM PST 
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Cabinet Division E16 Plot for Sale
Ad Type
City
Scheme
Phase
Size
Demand(Rs)
For Sale
Islamabad
CDEHS
E16
272sq yard
850000
A 272sq yard (35x70) plot file in sector E16. The ballot is due very soon according to Cabinet Office.

My demand is Rs.850,000/- excluding development charges. 2 installments for the dev. charges (Rs.100,000/-) are already paid.

Urgent sale as I want to convert this to a 500 yard plot before the ballot. Exchange also possible.

Please contact me if interested. Anwer .
Maqsood Shahid replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 05:23 AM PST 

What are the remaining payable development charges. Aso, are they payable on monthly basis if yes, how much each month. I am in America. I can be reached via email "
Anwer replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 01:51 PM PST 

3 installments are to be paid yet a total of Rs.150,000/- all 3 installments will have to be paid for the file to be included in the ballot.
Aftab Ahmed replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 02:12 PM PST 

How an we know that plot is in E-16 OR E-17 as u are saying ballot is yet to be held? Kindly clarify
Anwer replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 04:52 PM PST 

There are separate files for E16 and E17. So separate ballots will be held for both.
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   Talented Pakistan
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 06:28 PM PST 
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How to save the Precious Resources of Pakistan (1/2)
Dear Moderator
As salamualaikum
It is kindly requested to you to keep this message for the interest of general public.

For further details :





Mobile :

Q replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 07:40 PM PST 

Zindabad, please friends, do not post any negative comments on this, lets be positive and talk good about our country. at least this is what we can do for the mother land
Khizer Inayat replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 08:36 PM PST 

Kindly post the contact details of Mr. Shafiq. We were discussing similar projects in Pakistan and wanted to have some one like him. I can collect the funds from our resources and may be can turn his dreams into reality. Moreover, If he is reading it I would suggest him to check www.kiva.org and another site and also do some research here.

http://www.google.com.sa/search?q=inventors+directory&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

thanks

Khizer Inayat
Riyadh, saudi Arabia
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Ejaz replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 01:45 AM PST 

Khizer Sb

I think your contact number is not correct as it is not getting through
Basharat, Doha replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 02:19 AM PST 

Here is the link of Youtube clip of Shafiq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX_hQ8e3PxQ
Talented Pakistan replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 06:02 PM PST 

The contact information of Mr. Shafiq

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   Lashing in Swat
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 02:19 PM PST 
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Lashing in Swat - The true story
The true story of lashing in Swat
Aamir replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 04:35 PM PST 

The true story is too late. Our immature media has done the damage beyond economical repair by now
Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 05:25 PM PST 

I really think, the people on Geo need a medical checkup. 1st the video released on youtube, that it happened in 6 moth back in kabul, v next headline on Geo came as, a teenager girl lashed 40 times in swat. & then on going discussion.. now what the F*** geo's problem? then they bring there own story in front, which had no basis, no teenager came, neither any other person from the swat (who was in that crowed came), yet the story were pushed in the air. without common sense, if that actually happened then how come the girl stand up and walk calmly, medically it is impossible the a teenage girl get beaten so badly and she even don't show anything. Also, then they added missala like, sussar.. & that sussar didn't get any lashes..

& Stupid PM, & President & other ministers also helped this to defame pakistan & Islam. I don't give damn ... to Altaf, since i know he is a pure ...
Saif replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 07:17 PM PST 

Our enlightened champions did hue and cry over this video which is fake. Why none of the human rights activists and MQM rasied their voice and took out processions on the atrocities committed on daughter of the land (Dr. Afia Siddique) by the ?civilised countries forces? Because these folks wanna have execuse to malign Islam and nothing else.
Ali3 replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 07:54 PM PST 

Thousands of Pakistan's daughters get raped and taken advantage of majboori everyday by it's servants like Police, elite classes, waderas, officers, why nobody takes out jaloos in protest and protection of the thousands of daughters and sisters? Where is the gairat at that time?
Majed replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 12:41 AM PST 

Ali sb, have respect for such a good name. Ghairat for 1 or 1000 is same. Agar aap ki gairat ye dekh ke nahi jagti tu 1000 ke rape ke baad bhi nahi jage gi....kyon
Ali3 replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 03:45 AM PST 

Mr. Majed, agar apki ghairat 1000 rape dekh kar nahi jagi to 1 par kiyoun? Because you want to be part of the plan to defame Islam? Before commenting first you should know the whole story. And where did you read that my ghairat nahi jagi? Maybe in your dreams? Wake up now, it's morning!
abj replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 03:04 PM PST 

Was the video fake? or

Is the nameless writer of this column that claims to have spent 20 some years editing for an unknown entity but conveniently names a commisioner of malakand, just a Taliban sympathiser?

or just a Geo competior that may just have a grievance against the channel for any reason, we don't know or will ever know for sure.

Or Is this another conpiracy theory to look the other way to blame someone else that get our act together? Its not a He said, she said scenario, but a video tape in this case..

Very hard to say my friends. Lets hope that this does not happen to anyone in Pakistan or elsewhere.

Btw, the reaction of people in response to this incident prove that Pakistanis for the most have a lot of ghairat, and feel for fellow pakistanis. We underestimate ourselves a lot, and such an inhumane act needs to be condemned by all with full force, so as to isolate the extremists that are blowing themselves every other day & killing innocent people in pakistan & abroad.

If I just pray on Friday, and someone tells me that whats the point of attending just Friday prayer, if I dont pray 5 times a day, I guess such question would be un reasonable, as its better than not praying at all. Let us not be afraid of condemning such acts, as we want Pakistan to be a progressive state and move forward with the rest of the world, rather than pushing it back to the stone age, as the people in those areas want.
Ali3 replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 04:12 PM PST 

Some of the banners being displayed during the protests said: "Hum Shariat ke kale kawaneen ko nahin mante". We don't accept the black laws of Shariat. People were openly saying on TV that some laws of Islam and Quran are not right and cannot be accepted.

The Muslim mindset is being prepared for the launch of the new Quran called Furqan. In it such laws as lashings have been ommited and other changes have been made according to the objectives of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

By the way, abj, why dont we see ghairat even everyday lives? I dont think you are in Pakistan, so you probably dont know what's going on here. Being far makes a person patriotic.
Waqar Latif replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 05:06 PM PST 

@Abj

you put many word on the anonymity of the writer, but couldn't provide a single line against the writer's proof. You post seems to be a totally waste of the space on this forum.

I also produce a point how Geo miss represented the video to the news. & I am a same person who back geo, when they help in promoting Long march. Now how come you can say this line about me?

Also, Abj why don't your ghairat get wake up when 100s of tribal are been killed by Americans? but only awake when a video, without name, without any references, without any proofs gets up? You are also a same person like TTP in Swat, who's ghairat only dependent upon the women rights. not on the human rights.
adam replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 05:15 PM PST 

Dear abj,

I have been reviewing your comments on various issues, it seems that you are the only person who is reminding people about “fact & reality” I am completely agree with you. But the major problem of our people that they are not ready to accept the reality around. By saying only that "we are the only creatures on earth at right path" will not work. It needs to prove your credibility as an individual and as well as a whole nation, here we are lacking, we are always talking about our glorious past and “brave heart” stories to prove our selves innocence . But in fact that rest of the world will judge you at your present deeds. Unfortunately we always “mix” religion with state affairs which is totally unrealistic approach. Whatsoever your religion is “keep it deep inside your brain” but here in Pakistan every one is engage to prove his skill as an authentic “Scholar of Religion” and defending his own Islamic ideology. We are not ready to accept or even listen the comments of any other community within the Muslims how we can tolerate with people of other religions.
abj replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:50 AM PST 

Mr. Waqar Latif,
I am not sure why you think I was responding to your comments? My comments were about the anonymous writer, unless you are the author of the attachment. Luckily there is no cost per square foot on this real estate forum, so unlike you, I dont think your opinion is a waste of space, but you just voiced your opinion on a free forum which is your right, as you have an internet connection and a PC. I choose not to engage in a discussion with you. Feel free to ignore my comments now or in future.

ALI3,
I have not seen those banners, but such comments regarding Islam and Quran are condemnable, as those people assumed those three perverts were following Islam, which is absurd. Such people give a bad name to Islam.

If I see a women on TV, and especially in a "Burqa" being held to the ground by 3 men and being beaten ruthlessly and she is pleading for mercy in the middle of spectators, I believe that anyone with a relationship to any women be it a mother, wife, sister or a daughter will feel ghairat, as I am blessed to possess all of these precious relationships, some of them in pakistan as well. I am sure a lot of people feel the same way. I cannot compare the intensity of this incident to someone asking for a bribe, a govt.official misusing his authority, or myself being treated unfairly in everyday life typical for a developing country. I can live with those things and dont like them, but cannot live with what I just described. I think a line was crossed there, and the out cry from the civil society reflects that.

I think Islam is a wonderful religion but some of us tend to present it in a very scary way. Most "Mullahs" teach the kids Islam by fearing this and fearing that. It results in instilling an over aggressive behaviour in these people and impairs their ability to think objectively, listen to other's perspectives and view point, and are just robots ready to do anything in the name of religion. This was done purposely in the 80's in Gen Zia's time to use these people against the soviets and to strengthen zia's rule. A whole generation has been impaired, and we see the result in the present.
Islam is a practcal Religion with a lot of "WANT TO" then a "HAVE TO" as preached by the Illiterate Mullah.
Above all, Religion is a persons very personal thing. I dont criticize anyone else's religion, be it Christanity, Hinduism or whatever, until and unless it starts affecting my life. At the same time, I will protect my Religion and belief, when I feel someone is trying to defame it. We can all get along, with a slight attitude adjustment, and be a productive citizen of our community of any religious affiliation, or no religion at all. Lets Tolerate others beliefs. Religious tolerance does not include tolerating the behaviour of those 3 criminals in swat, or someone telling me to live my life a certain way, unless I ask them for their opinion.
Waqar Latif replied on Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST 

@Abj

I Also didn't get it, where the hell i said something like you put comments on me? It seems like you really don't care what is written inside, rather then who is writing. Ok my comments for you also over, since you don't want to read yet like to write (which is actually waste of space since we have taught "Yeh na dekho kon keh raha hey, yeh dekho kiya keh raha hey")
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   Kashif
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 02:06 PM PST 
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Safari villa for sale or exchange
Ad Type
City
Scheme
Size
Road
Demand(Rs)
Features
For Sale
Lahore
Safari villa
5.25M
40'
27 lakh
02 BR,single story,Asian style.Can also be exchanged with Villa Sarena or plot in sector B
comtact
NA replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 12:32 PM PST 

Focus ur attention on CONTRUCTION OF NEW HOUSE FOR AQ only. May ALLAH Bless U many more......Keep Smiling
NA
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   Naveed Yaseen
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 01:11 PM PST 
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Love Pakistan (snaps)
One observor replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 01:58 PM PST 

Great pictures Naveed :).
nabeel replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:35 PM PST 

very nice pictures i love them. specially the "Hot" one :)
limo replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 12:12 AM PST 

All the pics are self explanatory except the last one. It does not seem to be a real pic and looks like Imran's dream infact.
Abrar replied on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 04:14 AM PST 

We improvise, we adapt...., great pics
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   usman
Monday, April 6, 2009 09:53 PM PST 
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For sale 50 acre agriculture land one hour drive from Multan Khan Garh/Rohinlawali.Very fertile land with two acre mango orchid/300 wood lot.Extremly suitable for cotton,wheat and suger cane.Suger mill 10 km away.Demand 7 lacs per acre.
FM replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:28 AM PST 

1.5 Lacs per acre, if you agree contact at .
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   Farooq
Monday, April 6, 2009 07:54 PM PST 
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Land for Sale
Ad Type
City
Scheme
For Sale
Sargodha
Private Land
Private Land for Sale total area of Land 150 Acre Location PindiBhattian to Sargodha main road demand 20/- Lacs per Acre.
ashraf replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:09 PM PST 

Good land in this area not on main road is in the range of 2 to 4 lacs per acres. (not 20 lacs).if you are interetsted in the realistic demand ,we can then talk.
Farooq replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:52 PM PST 

Hi Ashraf sahib this land is on the main road and front of this land is 11 acre towards sargodha from pindibhattian 7km on main road.
ashraf replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 11:23 PM PST 

The rate of front acres is 40 to 45 lacs per acres immdeiate back 10 lacs and then 2 to 3 lacs per acres.
FM replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:31 AM PST 

2.5 lacs per acre all land, if you agree contact
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   Haroon
Monday, April 6, 2009 07:26 PM PST 
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Investment
Mr cmy,do you think that investment from dubai property is turning towards pakistan.yous opinion will be appreciated.
Ifti replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 07:53 PM PST 

I don't know, if anybody will go back to Quran and Sunnah but one thing is clear, that this terrorism will not stop, untill unless the whole Nation will stand up and do what so ever possible is to stop this terrorism imported from across the borders. The whole nation will have to fight as it was in 1956 and 1965. If anybody want the plan, then i have a full plan to counter terrorism in Pakistan. I am 110% sure. We will succeed Inshahallah.
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   LRE Rates Update
Monday, April 6, 2009 06:45 PM PST 
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DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse
DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse at 3.30 Pm Apr 6, 2009

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 24.90 Sellers(s) at 25.00 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 35.90 Lacs Seller(s) at 36.00 Lacs

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30.45 Lacs Seller(s) at 30.50 Lacs
Please note OPEN files are priced lower.

Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 20.90 Lacs Seller(s)at 21.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 15.90 Lacs Seller(s) at 16.00 Lacs



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***For More Detailed Prices Schemes Click Here***

***For Past Prices History Click Here***
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Rates you can trust provided by:




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Lahore Real Estate
Registered/Authorized Dealer (DHA, EMAAR, Bahria Town, Urban Developers, etc.)
042-111-111-040 in Office Hours Only
Mobile +92-322-400-9967
eMail: LRE786@GMail.com

http://www.LahoreRealEstate.com
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   Pakistani
Monday, April 6, 2009 06:41 PM PST 
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How Can we Stop these Terrorist Attacks?
Your replies/suggestions will be sent to Interior Ministry.
Arfan replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:18 PM PST 

I commend your start, Dear Pakistani

Perhaps by refusing fight with own country men.
Perhaps by giving equal facilities to Baloch and to FATA tribes like we have in Punjab and Sindh.
Perhaps by preaching about TRUE Islam which says no to Terrorism.
jaffer replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:38 PM PST 

Go back to Quran and sunnah
Justice for everyone
opportunities for everyone
JI replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:56 PM PST 

By asking all the politician to return all the loot to pakistan to to do development work in poor areas.
Even 10% should be enough.
Zain replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:57 PM PST 

By being UNITED.
Guest******* replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 09:24 PM PST 

The question is! are you really want to stop these terriorist attacks?
if yes! then it is very simple to stop all these mess.
Go back to inventors, bring them to table and talk to them, try to do some give and take with trust and faithfully.
This is the only way to eliminate this problem, and mean time try to build writ of governement so other seduced wont get strong to challenge the governemtn and a humble request to Army generals please keep your hands off from power chairs,every thing would be ok soon.
Abrar replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 09:39 PM PST 

Paaio...., It makes sense what all of you have said...., phair vee.. mein abba jee noo puch key dassan gaa...
Naveed Yaseen replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 11:50 PM PST 

There are several different kinds of terrorism in Pakistan, with a degree of cooperation between some.

foreign agencies sponsored
drug and smuggling cartels sponsored
Al-Qaeda inspired
sectarian
local Taliban inspired
local establishment sponsored
ethnic

The first three are artificially provoked and won't sustain for being unnatural to our society. Their intensity can be reduced by effective border management, intelligence and most importantly by equal magnitude response to foreign sponsors. No matter how strong defences you have, in absence of deterrent these foreign sponsors will keep rolling the dice.

The next two aren't foreign sponsored but still unnatural to our society. Unnatural because not more than 20% people have such ideological inclination, and not more than 1% support use of violent force for these. This can be, and should be, managed by changing foreign policy, effective policing, awareness, education and socio-economic uplift.

The last one, in my opinion is most worrisome, particularly in Balochistan. It isn't active at moment, but the combination of local political/social/economic deprivation and international strategies, that combination has real risks to federation. It can be, and must be, managed proactively by political justice, socio-economic development and better social integration.
Abrar replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 11:56 PM PST 

Okayyyy....., I got back an answer, My dad consulted taaya jee and chaacha jee, they belong to feudal class and I don't.....make no mistake about it. They say that their survival and authority depend upon the current social system regardless if it is feudal and corrupt. They say that the mind and soul of a poor laborer who sleeps on the sidewalk and earn daily wages are more feudal than them. It is not their fear, rather a belief that if they leave that poor laborer will simply fill their spot. They are very practical people, true believers and active politicians. They say that people like them are very small in numbers yet they maintain their status quo with the support of that same poor man, who spends all his life chasing a dream of becoming a feudal..... a member of an elite class ......poor man. They say that we are all part of a cycle..... we may call it vicious..... we all want to come out of it yet we all support it to stay intact.
M. Yousaf replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 12:02 AM PST 

Being a suicidal is a “blood chemistry change” in the mind and when it comes, it just comes up.
Not only these illiterate boys, who are exploding themselves now a days, only face that change of mind, a lot of intellectuals also face these situations where they see their suicide as a magnificent job and a fascinating action.
Ibn-e-Insha, Qudratullah Shahab and so many others noted personalities had tried their lives one time or another.
I lived in Multan, once, and one of my best friends who was a son of a distinguished writer, Mr. Fakharuddin Bulley, talked to me, one day before of his incident, in a wonderful way that He was going to do a great thing of his life , He never managed to do so far!
He was a beautiful young man having a charming personality, a great poet, was working as a manager in the bank, a caring and loving friend, just hung himself the other day and finished his life.
These people need a little motivation to do what they had always wished to do.
I witnessed another situation in 1994 where a college going young son of my colleague simply disappeared. We found him with a “Moulvee” somewhere in Islamabad and the moment we approached the Moulvee, He started talking in a loud voice:

“shahadut key jazba say sarshaar haien!”
“shahadut key jazba say sarshaar haien!”
He never stopped saying these things and finally when it came to the bottom line, Moulvee sent the boy’s father to a small masjid, located in one of the Attock’s villages, fulfilled the monetary obligations and purchased his son back from the moulvee.
The boy was later on treated for the disease in his mind and became normal.
If we want to eliminate this problem, we need to eliminate lacs of these moulvees and this needs funding in education sector, which will never happen in Pakistan.
Maulana Sb. replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 01:20 AM PST 

All arguments given above are very valid. One more thing:

All Maulvi Sahban throuhgh out Pakistan should give FATWAH (not merely denounce) that all suicide attackers are confirmed JAHUNUMMI.

Like it or not, Maulvi (even if its 2009)still has got great hold on the masses.
Opinion replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 03:49 AM PST 

Terrorism in Pakistan can only reduce by step by step approach.
I can list what contribute most to the terrorism in Pakistan.
1- Presence of Indian troops in Afghanistan.
2- Devaluation of Pakistan currency.
3- Cuts in defence budget.
4- anti state elements on top level.
5- Pakistan media.
6- Flawed constitution.
7- Corrupt judiciary.
8- Selfish society.
List continues but those which matter most is listed above number wise.
I think if first two listed above are reversed than it may solve 80% of terrorism.
We must not forget the fact that all suicide bombers were foreigners of age under 20, they are not Pakhtoons rather they are Uzbek and Hazara Afghans and were not registered Pakistanis. No families of dead / captured terrorists have been located inside Pakistan. We should not buy any claims by Govt. until unless those were fortified with DNA tests.
One point my mind fail to understand:
I believe it is not possible to hire an army of suicide bombers, even if we put up and adv. in nationwide news papers.
how come a newly born terror outfit TTP can recruit hundred of bombers? what is the source of income of TTP? where are there training camps located? Where did they get arms. ammunition and equipment to fight Pak army, blast pipelines, burn railway engines, blast hotels etc...
If we cut the stem branches will die by itself.
Thanks.
Ali3 replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 04:01 AM PST 

Mr. Abrar, very well said! Thank you for a realistic practical answer.
Aamir replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 12:32 PM PST 

There is no defence against suicide attacks as such, no matter to what extent you upgrade security measures and use technology. You can’t do much about a person who himself is willing to die. The reason of such attacks in Pakistan is the presence of American forces in Afghanistan. Every attack of USA on Afghanistan is retaliated in the form of terrorist attack in the country for being Pakistan partner in war on terror. Such attacks were unheard of before invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 when socioeconomic conditions of the Northern areas were even bleaker than today. As long as US forces remain committed in Afghanistan Pakistan would continue suffering on the hands of terrorists with only concession of Foreign aid in terms of $. Either Pakistan should withdraw from war on terror or America should decide withdrawal of her forces from Afghanistan. Since latter is unlikely in near future therefore it becomes catch 22 for Pakistan. Exploiting religious mindset for the cause is a small part of the bigger picture. Sure enough, there are no indigenous means available to Pakistan to stop these terrorist attacks.
Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 12:45 PM PST 

Lolzz, Interior minister don't have guts to solve the problem, then why the hell he is sitting on this chair, when he can't provide us protection?

I 100% agree with moulana sahab, if all pakistani moullah togathher give a fatwa that "The one who does suicide bombing against civilian is confirm jahanami, or even does against police who has nothing to do with that fight is confirm jahanami" Then the things will change for sure, and i think no molvi would have any objection on giving fatwa on this line.

But, 1st interior minister has to define what are the terrorist attacks? If some USA attack and kills innocent civilian, childern & women (most important Pakistanis) then those are not terrorist attacks, but if some organization which is backed by raw, cia, does something then those are terrorist attacks? why double standard? Isn't it a hypocricy?

Anyhow, i have best solution to stop terrorist attacks, but i can't tell my secretes.. Make me Defense minister instead of Rehman malik, who give up by saying, we can't check every person on Islamabad gate..
Saif replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 01:09 PM PST 

Agree with Arfan and Aamir. Pakistan must withdraw its support to US and Nato in fighting the so called war on terror and must do so openly and immediately. Pakistan's survival is at risk because of towing the US policy blindly. Need a long march and Dharna in Islamabad if our govenment doesn't change Musharraf's policies. This will help unite the nation and eliminate main threat to our country. Alongside we need to improve our justice system and cleaning the society of feudalism and elitism. No degradation of human beings irrespective of their social status.
A Pakistani with Hope replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 05:58 PM PST 

Well need to define first who is Terrorist?

1- Taliban (A group of people who want the justice, their learning and history told them that it is possible via Islam. However their demand is justice actually and nothing Else)
2- Mullaism (A group of people who are the Thekedar of Islam, but in fact this is not their ability that they become the Thekedar we made them. We need to think twice here who is Terrorist Mulla or we)
3- America & Europe and other anit Islam forces. (Spreading the terror by power, and might is right), (I am not using word Muslim here, cause they don't need to be anti Muslims, we being a Muslim are already with them, even inside Pakistan or specially out side Pakistan, they are afraid of Islam not majority of Muslim)
4- Al-Qaida (A group that cannot be found any where except in dreams or in papers)
5- General Pakistani (A class of people is born for, surviving for and will die for to acheive Roti Kapra and Makan)

I am always surprised that if the Terrorist who are Taliban, are Mulla, are General Pakistani and are reacting against Forign Forces and bombing at Mosque, at Amambargah mostly, if they are some kind of Muslim then why not they attack on Church, Gurdwara, Mandir.

Why Mosque, Amambargah mostly under attack, only once of two time Church was under attack. Who not Gurdwara (too many in Pak and are active), if the attacker is Muslim, who not Mandir (which are only few and in-active in Pak), who not Church (which are many in Pak and active as well)

Being a Pakistani and a Muslim, I would like to ask all the forum members, if there is a stage come in your life and you loose your all the family members, no justice for you, some forces want to hold your resources. Than what will be your next step to show your reaction?

1- Will you attack on Mosque
2- Will you attack on Amambargah

OR

3- Will you attack on Church
4- Will you attack on Mandir
5- Will you attack on Gurdwara

OR

6- Will you attack on General Pakistani Public

OR

7- Will you attack on some Foreign National in Pakistan

Some thing is called nature, what will be your natural choice being a Muslim to attack if the stage ever occur in life. If we suppose that Muslims are the same like all other Human in the world. Then your answer will be 3, 4, 5, 7. But being a true Muslim you will be even unable to attack on Church, Mandir and Gurdwara even, Because Islam do not allow this at all. This is only the sole reason which stop me to become a Terrorist.

Then who are the attacker. A born Muslim, or a true Muslim or some other people who has getup of a Muslim.

We need to think twice, while spreading news of western media, and now even our local media news. Only few of Us seen Taliban closely and know about it who they are actually. Rest of all of us are Bhair Chal, what media saying we believe on it and spreading it proudly.

It is simple rule that might is right. USA and Europe are might at the moment. We are far behind from them in technology. The major wars between humans is always initiate due to resources.

If you want to stop the Terrorist Attack then you have 2 choices. Terrorist attacks will be stop.

1- Give your resources to External Forces and welcome them to hold it and rule on you. All the Terrorist attack will be finished. Attacks after their rule will not be called as Terrorist Attack even at that time we all also will be involved in this struggle.

2- Second choice is to spread the education, knowledge, technology. World is going to adopt the Open Source process and we are holding the knowledge in our hearts rather then spreading it, because we all are afraid if other one will know about this knowledge he will grow more then us and that is what we don't want to see at any cost.

I admit all the fault in us, we lie at every step of life in our daily routine matters for no reason. We want justice for ourself only but not for others.
Waqar Latif replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 06:47 PM PST 

"A Pakistani"

Where was you, i never seen any sensible commentor on this forum before.

I agree with you every point, other then just one, about mullah, since i think majority mullah aren't that bad.. they come to mosque just to do there job (i.e. pray, do khutba and leaves) also, if you some time visit some quality madrass like jam-e-asharfia then you might change your mind.

any how i am 100% agree a true muslim will never attack on all option, he might try to fight with pak Army, or Nato army. Infact i feel like those people who actually go for suicide bombing are been hypnotizes. since no person will do such act, since other religous people are also scared of the death, like we are.
Ifti replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 07:56 PM PST 

I don't know, if anybody will go back to Quran and Sunnah but one thing is clear, that this terrorism will not stop, untill unless the whole Nation will stand up and do what so ever possible is to stop this terrorism imported from across the borders. The whole nation will have to fight as it was in 1956 and 1965. If anybody want the plan, then i have a full plan to counter terrorism in Pakistan. I am 110% sure. We will succeed Inshahallah.
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   baber
Monday, April 6, 2009 03:41 PM PST 
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   Facts
Monday, April 6, 2009 02:22 PM PST 
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Facts should be revealed effectively to the West
Instead of drifting away, facts should be revealed effectively to the West.

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raja amer replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 02:07 AM PST 

i have plot in g 13/2 street 588 main double road
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   abdul majid
Monday, April 6, 2009 01:52 AM PST 
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i will be greatful if some expert for pindi/islamabad area advice me what will be the current price of a g13/2 25*40 corner plot and agosh2 file which i 4 years ago of 12.5 lakh.
i really appreciate if mr. atiq raja and others give there valuable adivce
thanks in advance
MH replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 03:15 AM PST 

According to one of my friend,the price of Aghosh2 is 19-20Lakh/Kanal.
I think current price of 8 marla in G13 is 50 Lakh(Again it is a guess).For further information you may contact my friend
Jami.
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Located Closer to the DHI/Bharia Town Pindi For DHI,BT etc.
Please contact
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ARG_INC replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 11:17 AM PST 

G-13 8 marla could be around 45-/+ and 4 marla could be around 25-/+. Contact me at for more info.
ali ( replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 08:40 PM PST 

I need 30x60 plot good location perefence is main double road in G-13/2, plot must be located in High gorund area.
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   LRE Rates Update
Sunday, April 5, 2009 10:45 PM PST 
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DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse
DHA Lahore Plots File Prices Lahore Real Estate Market Pulse at 7.30 Pm Apr 5, 2009

DHA Lahore Phase 5 Extension Allocation File: Buyer(s) at 24.90 Sellers(s) at 25.00 lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 8 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 36.40 Lacs Seller(s) at 36.50 Lacs

Parkview-DHA-8 Lahore 1 kanal allocation TRANSFER file Buyer(s) at 30.70 Lacs Seller(s) at 30.80 Lacs
Please note OPEN files are priced lower.

Parkview-DHA-8 10 Marla allocation Buyer(s) at 20.90 Lacs Seller(s)at 21.00 Lacs

DHA Lahore Phase 9/10 Allocation File Buyer(s) at 15.90 Lacs Seller(s) at 16.00 Lacs


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erfedfa replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 12:46 AM PST 

From the looks of the posts of the people and dealers, every one is more interested in the property prices then the countries situation. I think for the time being no one should buy property and we all should concentrate on the issues of the country and maybe this way DHA and the property dealers and other rouge societies will go hungry for a while and might change there tune.
paki replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 02:32 AM PST 

erfedfa or somthing,charity begins at home.before advising others to quit y dont u post here your own resignation letter from your job to 'concentrate on the issues of the country'.

this is property forum and thats what should be concentrated here.bcoz it is lahoreREALESTATE.com and not issues-of-the-country.com
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   sbaig
Sunday, April 5, 2009 06:21 PM PST 
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Latest construction pic of mega Isb. 'project' The Centaurus'
JI replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 07:41 PM PST 

great pic. more plz.
Opinion replied on Tuesday, April 7, 2009 03:57 AM PST 

it is a pleasnt surprise to see one project of past govt. still underway, although it is private with zero govt. involvement but various private projects have been forced closed by govt. so far but owner of centuras seems to have over whelming influence over govt. of Pakistan!
Situation is many small factories and bussineses are being burned in various parts of Pakistan but this project has been left untouched!!!!!
Good for Pakistan.
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   Pardesi, Jeddah
Sunday, April 5, 2009 05:57 PM PST 
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DHA 8 Rumour Factory vs. DHA's Silence
In the light of recent discussions on DHA, especially ph 8, I would like to quote from my previous post: “The dilemma is that the laws governing these societies do not somehow properly safeguard the consumers’/customers’ rights & thus buyers are left on the mercy of property dealers. These property dealers, by & large, maintain different stance to the buyer as opposed to the seller of the same property. Absence of clear-cut announcements of balloting, possession, development charges, etc. ahead of the project from the societies give rise to rumor factories. Also the absence of periodic publications from these societies (which otherwise help the investor to understand what kind of people have invested in a particular society, how much land has been acquired, what is the estimate of development charges, etc.) creates confusion shaking investors’ trust. In this regard DHA Lahore is no exception.”

I insist if the investors are taken into confidence & are timely informed these day-to-day matters like, ….thinking to acquire other societies, …. foreign contractor ran away, …. balloting announced in Dec 2006 but…., ….will completely develop Ph 7 first, …. litigation area plots, etc. will not matter.

I would like to suggest CMY & all registered DHA agents to call upon DHA to have a two-way feedback system which not only enhance the investor confidence but also boost real estate business on fairly drawn lines which other good societies will definitely follow to come up to the expectations of the investors.

Keep
Ali Tahawer Gilani replied on Sunday, April 5, 2009 07:25 PM PST 

I absolutely agree with Mr Pardesi. A two way communication is very much necessary for building investor's confidence
SHANI-JEDDAH replied on Sunday, April 5, 2009 08:40 PM PST 

Perhaps, this way will help Dealers to boost investors confidence. Its really time to know answers of above questions.
erfedfa replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 12:41 AM PST 

What do you people think. All dealers are in on it if you want to teach DHA and these dealers A lesson then stop buying plots.
DHA office numbers replied on Monday, April 6, 2009 01:37 AM PST 

Please call DHA Lahore office and make these suggestions to them.

DHA office numbers


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